I need help getting my book on to Amazon

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I've nearly finished writing my first book. It will be done tomorrow and I think I'm going to need some help.

I have a working title and subtitle, which I think is pretty good, and I'm not sure if I want to use my own name, I'd rather use a pseudonym.

I don't know anything about publishing notes or copyright notes or whatever that bit of text is called that comes at the beginning of a book, and I don't know anything about ISBN numbers. And what about the C in a circle and author's name and year that goes on every page of some books? Should I do that?

As for the cover, I'll probably get someone from fiverr to do it (I've already joined).

As it's my first book I have no other books to link it to, but maybe someone could explain how I would do that, for future reference.

I know that I'll need to do a quick sales blurb for amazon, and I already have a basic template for that, which I'll just fill in with details. I don't want to spend too much time on it.

As for setting up an account with amazon as an author, I know nothing about that. I'm also confused about KDP and all that stuff.

And I know nothing about formatting.

Also I have no idea how to price it.

Is there anything else that needs doing between now and seeing my book on amazon?



Any advice or guidance would be most helpful right now.

Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Millbrath
    Is this a Kindle book or a physical book?
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    • Profile picture of the author Johnny1975
      Originally Posted by Dennis Millbrath View Post

      Is this a Kindle book or a physical book?
      Kindle. I wouldn't mind having it as a physical book maybe in future if it goes well. But it's quite short. 10,000 words.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    Johnny,

    Since you're asking a very basic question about formatting, I would strongly suggest investing in some Kindle educaton. Why? Because I see a lot of Kindle newbies making some mistakes that are costing them a lot of sales. I'm talking a TON of sales.

    I'm not going to plug any specific program in a public forum, but I did send you a message on what I think are some of the best programs out there at different price points. I don't promote any of these programs so I didn't send you any affiliate links, I just want to help.

    Anyone who says you have to drop $400 or more on a Kindle education course isn't being completely upfront with you.

    Anyways, good luck to you.

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  • Profile picture of the author rakhwas
    Google is your answer to this, seriously some times it takes less time going to google instead of making a thread :p
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    • Profile picture of the author Katie Rich
      Originally Posted by rakhwas View Post

      Google is your answer to this, seriously some times it takes less time going to google instead of making a thread :p
      And if the op had just googled he would have missed out on a whole lot of help from a lot of people on the forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author Johnny1975
    I've done some formatting and I'm still working on it. It's a bit tricky because I haven't been able to find a guide on formatting for Libreoffice.

    Can anyone give me some idea of how much I should sell the book for? It's about 10,000 words, the niche is dating. I know it depends on a whole load of factors but I just need a rough figure because I really have no idea.

    Also is there a place where I can get standard publishing / copyright notes?
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Johnny1975 View Post

      I've done some formatting and I'm still working on it. It's a bit tricky because I haven't been able to find a guide on formatting for Libreoffice.
      1) Use any of the formatting guides (Di gave you a good link, and Amazon offers a free download. The KDP help forums also work.

      2) Save your formatted document as filtered html.

      3) Upload that file to KDP.

      Works like a charm.

      Originally Posted by Johnny1975 View Post

      Also is there a place where I can get standard publishing / copyright notes?
      Google is your friend. Search for "boilerplate front matter" AND "public domain".

      Either that or hire someone (Di offers this service, if I recall correctly).

      It's not rocket science, and even if you FUBAR it, just unpublish and start over.
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  • Profile picture of the author Johnny1975
    Haha I've just finished it, a couple of minutes ago. It will need some tweaking still but essentially the content of my book is done.

    John, is there a difference between filtered html and "Web page, filtered"? On libreoffice there's an option to save as "HTML Document (Writer)" Would that be the correct option?
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Johnny1975 View Post

      John, is there a difference between filtered html and "Web page, filtered"? On libreoffice there's an option to save as "HTML Document (Writer)" Would that be the correct option?
      Filtered html and "web page, filtered" are the same thing. In Word, it means that all the extra mumbo jumbo MS adds to make the Office Suite programs 'talk' to each other are stripped out.

      LibreOffice Writer puts out clean code already, so yes, that's the correct option.
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  • Profile picture of the author sdingram
    Johnny1975, I'd like to add a couple of tips that might be helpful. You can get your book formatted for Kindle by someone on fiverr for $5. While I think it is important to know how to do it yourself, it's much easier to have someone do it for you. Sometimes it's frustrating doing it yourself.

    Also, for kindle books you do not need an ISBN number. Amazon will automatically assign you an ASIN number. You don't need to put it in your book or do anything.

    Are you living outside of the USA? If so, you will need an EIN number or Amazon will take 30% of your profits. Let me know if you need more info on that and I'd be happy to help.

    If you write another book and want to link to it from this book, you would need to publish book #2 on Amazon, then grab that link. Then edit book #1 by inserting that link and something along the lines of "If you liked this book, check out my such-and-such book!" (on your computer), save it again as a .mobi and reupload it to Amazon. Amazon will probably have it live again with 12-24 hours.

    Hope this helps!
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    • Profile picture of the author wordwizard
      About pricing your book...

      The best price range for Kindle books is between $2.99 and $9.99, and probably the lower part of that. That's because you'll earn 70% commission instead of 30% for books priced above or below that range.

      If you have an intriguing title and good content, I'd go with something like $2.99 and see how that goes.

      Good luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author Johnny1975
      Originally Posted by sdingram View Post

      Johnny1975, I'd like to add a couple of tips that might be helpful. You can get your book formatted for Kindle by someone on fiverr for $5. While I think it is important to know how to do it yourself, it's much easier to have someone do it for you. Sometimes it's frustrating doing it yourself.

      Also, for kindle books you do not need an ISBN number. Amazon will automatically assign you an ASIN number. You don't need to put it in your book or do anything.

      Are you living outside of the USA? If so, you will need an EIN number or Amazon will take 30% of your profits. Let me know if you need more info on that and I'd be happy to help.

      If you write another book and want to link to it from this book, you would need to publish book #2 on Amazon, then grab that link. Then edit book #1 by inserting that link and something along the lines of "If you liked this book, check out my such-and-such book!" (on your computer), save it again as a .mobi and reupload it to Amazon. Amazon will probably have it live again with 12-24 hours.

      Hope this helps!
      Thanks for that advice.

      I think you're right. I've already contacted someone on fiverr about formatting it for me. It's just too complicated, and life is too short. I'll just think of it as a tiny overhead.

      I live in the UK, so I guess I'll be needing an EIN number, of which I know nothing. How would I do this, and what about the Inland Revenue (HMRC, the equivalent of the IRS), when would I need to contact them? Could I just start selling books and take care of that a bit further down the road?




      Just some general questions for anyone who can help :

      * If I wanted to get reader's email addresses, how would I do that? Is it even necessary seeing as this is my first book? Should I bother or shall I forget about it for now?

      * Amazon.com / Amazon.co.uk does it make a difference?

      * I'd like to use a pen name, but I'm confused.

      The name that I sign with is my first and second (middle) name, and it's also my Amazon account name.

      The name on my bank account is my first, second and third (last) name.

      That's in itself is confusing enough, and so I don't know what would happen in terms of payment. But if I start using pen names for different genres, it's going to be even more confusing.

      And what about copyright? What if I ever need to prove that I'm the author, but I'm writing with pen names?


      * What about setting up a company name?

      * I'm thinking of setting aside 30% of all earnings for tax / nat. insurance. Is this enough?

      * Offensive content. Amazon is very vague as to what's allowed and what isn't. In my book I make observations that some might consider sexist (it's not really though). Would this be a problem?

      * What is author central? I've looked into it and I'm still confused. Is it anything to do with your KDP account?
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  • Profile picture of the author agmccall
    With all the questions you have I would really consider joining the "Warrior Book Club" sub-forum

    Also Kindle Direct Publishing has a great forum that will answer most if not all of your questions.

    Sometimes it is best to go right to the source and in my opinion the warrior book club should be your first stop

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    • Profile picture of the author Simpilot938
      Hi Johnny,

      You're worrying far too much.

      KDP will accept word documents and pdfs as well as cleaned up HTML. I've published 6 short books so far and had no problems. Format your paper size to 4 x 6 inches portrait and see how it looks.

      Amazon lets you have up to 5 pen names attached to your account, so no problems there.

      Your book will appear on as many national Amazon sites as you choose. Go for all of them. I've even sold books in India & Japan.

      If you're a UK basic rate tax payer, get the requisite forms from Amazon and claim your USA tax back, then declare your earnings to the UK tax man where the rate is 20%. If you're in the higher rate (40% or 50%), accept the USA tax (This is my option).

      There is an author central for each region. Fill in the .com one and it will be the same for all. This is the book equivalent of an 'About Me' page on the web. It's useful for back-story stuff and future plans if you want to keep updating it. Fill it in and include a picture. Makes you more trustworthy.

      Use Word (or Libre Office - which I also use) styles. You only need 2 or 3. Heading 1 for the chapter titles and Normal for the body. You might want to do dialogue in a third style.

      When you create the table of contents, don't include page numbers (they will be different depending on user selectable font size) and don't use headers and footers.

      Don't worry about sleazy content. There is all sorts on the Kindle store and although you're bound to offend someone (that's too easy), there's probably worse already there.

      Consider taking your manuscript to CreateSpace.com which is the print on demand arm of Kindle publishing. This puts your book into physical print and is another option for sales and as KDP, it's free. You can link the physical and electronic publications so they appear on the same page and give buyers an option.

      The only criteria there is that it must run to more than 20 pages, sized 6 x 9 inches. The cover dimensions are different too but as with Kindle there is an easy to follow, on the spot cover designer. It won't be artistic but it will be acceptable.

      You can have page numbers, headers, footers and footnotes for the print version. You can choose your own price, so long as it is over the basic cost which will be shown to you near the end of the creation process. You don't have to order any yourself, but you will get them for the base cost plus postage.

      In short with both publishing methods, GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. If you don't like the result, start again with the same manuscript. Learn by doing. It really isn't difficult. Don't over think things.

      Amazon has a forum too with specialised areas for KDP & CreateSpace and there's tons of advice there too.

      And above all, HAVE FUN. If it ain't fun, it ain't worth doing.

      Regards,

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      • Profile picture of the author Johnny1975
        I don't have Word, I have Libreoffice and I have a pdf of the book (which isn't quite finished yet, it needs editing - the book, not the pdf).

        Ok, here's what I just did. I logged into kdp, I filled in everything that i could, and I uploaded the pdf.

        On the pdf itself, everything looks fine, and it "obeys" the page breaks that I included in Libreoffice.

        But when I previewed it, there were no page breaks, and no spaces between paragraphs. It looked terrible (although at the same time it was really nice to see the book on there). Also when I set the font size to 1, it was still too big (in Libreoffice the text is set to size 12, Georgia).

        Another thing is that I couldn't preview the book description. By the way if I want to use some basic html for the description, do I just include the whole lot in that little window?

        As for all that tax stuff, I'm thinking to just make the book free for now, get some downloads and reviews hopefully, and then once I know more about tax I can give the book a price and take it from there (i.e. not do anything about tax until the book is no longer free). Is that a good plan?

        Also it didn't ask me anything about tax in kdp.



        Ok I tried uploading the book again and I saved my libreoffice file as HTML and uploaded that and I'm looking at the preview and it looks good. Actually nope, it has errors.
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  • Profile picture of the author Johnny1975
    I finally found some useful instructions here : Ebook Formatting the Easy Way | Cameron Chapman

    I used sigil and calibre and I went through the whole process and I uploaded a mobi file to amazon. It looks ok. The page breaks all work (actually, there weren't any page breaks because in sigil you paste each chapter into a different section, so it knows), and the indents work.

    But there are three issues. Firstly, the contents page was at the end of the book until I found out how to put it at the beginning, but now it's before the title page, copyright page, etc.

    The other thing is font size. When I preview it on amazon, I do it on the iphone setup (because that's what I use), and the text is too big. I could go back to sigil and change the text size, but what do it change it to?

    Another issue is that I want the title on the title page to be in the middle of the page. How on earth do you tell it to put it right in the centre of the page when page sizes vary from device to device? I assume that the only thing it knows is number of line spaces.

    I'm slowly getting there. I'm actually starting to wonder what's the point in writing ebooks on a normal word processor when you can just do it on sigil, instead of wasting time copying and pasting.
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  • Profile picture of the author flyingdutch
    Hi there, proposed you my FREE ebook on Kindle publishing, but it got deleted for some reason. Anyway, you're almost there. Keep trying. If you want my free ebook, just PM me. As far as your title problem is concerned , just take out the pilcrow's on top of the title.

    You don't upload a mobi file to Amazon but a zip file. Which contains your .doc(x) file converted to htm and a directory with your images. For the contents page, you can just insert an automatic TOC at the beginning of your book (including the appropriate bookmarks) or create manually a complete TOC (if you also want to publish to other distributors like Apple, B & N ). For font sizes, use styles and not direct formatting. You will get troubles on certain Kindles.

    "How on earth do you tell it to put it right in the centre of the page when page sizes vary from device to device?"

    That's the whole point about this "new" publishing era. Before, we had WYSIWYG. Now were back to GWYGWYSOYS (Guess What You Get What You See On Your Screen).

    If you publish for Kindle (or mobiles or any other device), there is no "middle of the screen" or "bottom of the page" or "page size". These things just don't exist anymore. These are all "old-fashioned" principles and ideas, when people were still prining out "pages" on a printer. But what's a page today? a page on your PC? On your mobile? On your tablet?

    Welcome to the amazing world of digital publishing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Johnny1975
      Originally Posted by flyingdutch View Post

      Hi there, proposed you my FREE ebook on Kindle publishing, but it got deleted for some reason. Anyway, you're almost there. Keep trying. If you want my free ebook, just PM me. As far as your title problem is concerned , just take out the pilcrow's on top of the title.

      You don't upload a mobi file to Amazon but a zip file. Which contains your .doc(x) file converted to htm and a directory with your images. For the contents page, you can just insert an automatic TOC at the beginning of your book (including the appropriate bookmarks) or create manually a complete TOC (if you also want to publish to other distributors like Apple, B & N ). For font sizes, use styles and not direct formatting. You will get troubles on certain Kindles.

      "How on earth do you tell it to put it right in the centre of the page when page sizes vary from device to device?"

      That's the whole point about this "new" publishing era. Before, we had WYSIWYG. Now were back to GWYGWYSOYS (Guess What You Get What You See On Your Screen).

      If you publish for Kindle (or mobiles or any other device), there is no "middle of the screen" or "bottom of the page" or "page size". These things just don't exist anymore. These are all "old-fashioned" principles and ideas, when people were still prining out "pages" on a printer. But what's a page today? a page on your PC? On your mobile? On your tablet?

      Welcome to the amazing world of digital publishing.
      Thanks.

      Some questions...

      I just looked up pilcrow so I know what it means now. But do you mean remove them from my word processor first? That would cause the title to be right at the top of the page. I do like the idea of having it in the middle but as you say, what the middle? The other option is to just put it down the page by a few spaces, but then again, depending on the device, it would look different. So, do you think it's ok on an ebook to just have all that stuff (title, copyright info, etc) at the top? Is that considered acceptable on an ebook?

      I don't know how I would create a zip file. What I did was format in sigil, then export to calibre and convert to mobi. I see that there's an option to convert to zip. So you mean that if I do that, it will create a zip folder with a doc file in it, and then I upload the doc to amazon?

      The TOC does appear at the start of the book, and I only managed to find out how to do that after a lot of googling. But it's right at the start, meaning before the title page and copyright page, which doesn't look professional at all. So how would I manually create a TOC? And what do I do it on? Sigil or calibre?

      What do you mean by using styles and not direct formatting? How would I do that and is it on sigil or calibre?

      Yep, I'm that clueless. I'm learning, but I'm still quite unsure.

      And yes I'd like to have a look at your book, thanks. Pm me. Thanks for your help.
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  • Profile picture of the author ashloren
    Hi there,

    If you'd like some one-on-one help with formatting your book, feel free to private message me and I'll help you out.
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    • Profile picture of the author Johnny1975
      Originally Posted by ashloren View Post

      Hi there,

      If you'd like some one-on-one help with formatting your book, feel free to private message me and I'll help you out.
      It's late and I'll be going to bed in a minute but yes, I'll take you up on that next time I'm here. Thanks. I'm really grateful because I'm so eager to get my book out there, even though I still need to edit and tweak it, but the formatting is the trickiest bit.
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  • Profile picture of the author Johnny1975
    By the way am I right in assuming that it's best to just write a book in sigil to begin with, so I don't have to bother with pilcrows and other issues? Also, obviously a book will look different depending on the device, so which device is best to format to?
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  • Profile picture of the author Adie
    If kindle, just format and upload it. If physical, you can use createspace service.
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    • Profile picture of the author Johnny1975
      Help!!!

      I've finished my book and now I'm stuck. All I need to do is format it and convert it and then upload it.

      I'm using Libreoffice.

      In terms of formatting, all I need is this :

      * A table of contents, NOT generated. I want to do it myself, using hyperlinks and bookmarks.

      * I don't know how to do styles in Libreoffice. What I do know is that I want it all to be in Georgia, and small enough that it will show about 25 lines of text on an iphone.

      * I don't know how much spacing I should have between lines, or between paragraphs.

      * I don't know how much indenting I should use for paragraphs. I don't actually want indenting, and I know that I have to set it very close to 0. But what exactly?

      * 3 heading styles. One for chapter titles, one for chapter subtitles, and one for different sections within a chapter.

      I've been looking into this all day long. Everything is in chinese because I don't get it. I just don't get it. It's taking all the fun out of it. So much terminology, so many incomplete explanations. I've downloaded sigil, calibre, kindlegen, alkinea, and I don't know what's going on.

      I just need someone to talk to me like a baby and tell me what to do.
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      • Profile picture of the author Katie Rich
        Originally Posted by Johnny1975 View Post

        I've been looking into this all day long. Everything is in chinese because I don't get it. I just don't get it. It's taking all the fun out of it. So much terminology, so many incomplete explanations. I've downloaded sigil, calibre, kindlegen, alkinea, and I don't know what's going on.

        I just need someone to talk to me like a baby and tell me what to do.
        You need to take a step back and breathe.

        Ashloren offered to help you via PM, so contact her. Slow it down a tad, your trying to run on and you are getting in a tangle.
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Originally Posted by Johnny1975 View Post

        Help!!!

        I've finished my book and now I'm stuck. All I need to do is format it and convert it and then upload it.

        I'm using Libreoffice.

        In terms of formatting, all I need is this :

        * A table of contents, NOT generated. I want to do it myself, using hyperlinks and bookmarks.

        Create your bookmarks or anchors where you want them. Then, in your TOC, create links to the anchors.

        * I don't know how to do styles in Libreoffice. What I do know is that I want it all to be in Georgia, and small enough that it will show about 25 lines of text on an iphone.

        Don't worry about it, as you have no control over what font or font size someone will use in their reader app.

        * I don't know how much spacing I should have between lines, or between paragraphs.

        Same here. The conversion will either wipe out your formatting or really mess it up. Keep it really simple.

        * I don't know how much indenting I should use for paragraphs. I don't actually want indenting, and I know that I have to set it very close to 0. But what exactly?

        If you're talking about margins, again, don't worry about it. If you upload your book file in basic html, the conversion handles all that for you.

        * 3 heading styles. One for chapter titles, one for chapter subtitles, and one for different sections within a chapter.

        H2 for chapter titles, H3 for chapter subtitles and either H3 or H4 for section titles within the chapter.

        I've been looking into this all day long. Everything is in chinese because I don't get it. I just don't get it. It's taking all the fun out of it. So much terminology, so many incomplete explanations. I've downloaded sigil, calibre, kindlegen, alkinea, and I don't know what's going on.

        I just need someone to talk to me like a baby and tell me what to do.
        Johnny, you're making this so much more complicated than it needs to be. Half of the stuff you asked about here you can't control anyway because the reader controls them on their device.
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        • Profile picture of the author Johnny1975
          John,

          I don't know how to create anchors (is that the same as a bookmark?) in Libreoffice. And I don't know how to create links.

          When I read ebooks on my iphone, I set the text to size 1. The result is about 25 lines per "page". Which I think is very good. But when I tried it, the text was bigger and there were considerably less lines per "page". My text on Libreoffice is always set to 12. Should I set it to 10 or smaller? Would it make a difference?

          I'm happy to keep the spacing between lines simple, but it's just that I don't know how to set them in the first place.

          In Libreoffice, measurements are in cm, but in word it's set in pts. So I don't know what's what.

          Why not use H1 for chapter titles?

          My point is that every time I'm told anything, or any time I read something, it raises more questions than it answers. Some people say that formatting is hard and you need a professional to do it. Others say it's easy. And no one can ever explain why one way is better than another, and yet evertyone is absolutely convinced that their way is the way to do it. It's just confusing.

          You know, I might just do this :

          * Not use styles, not use headings, and just manually set font sizes in relation to each other (chapter heading, etc)
          * Basically just forget about formatting and just edit everything so it looks nice in Libreoffice
          * Save the file as HTML
          * Upload it. Forget about epub, mobi, etc
          * If people don't like it, tough.
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  • Profile picture of the author Johnny1975
    Exactly. That's what forums are for. Sometimes you need real people to help. Also, some of us are a bit thick, and we need things explained to us.
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  • Profile picture of the author flyingdutch
    I've send you a PM. And my book that you downloaded should help you with all the issues you mention. But it is written for users with MS Word (any version) of OpenOffice(free). I don't know LibreOffice. Why don't you try to download OpenOffice and follow the instructions in my book?

    And as stated: don't try to rush it. Publishing books is something similar to a marathon. So, no need to run as if you're going for a 100 m sprint.

    You'll get there.
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    • Profile picture of the author Johnny1975
      Originally Posted by flyingdutch View Post

      I've send you a PM. And my book that you downloaded should help you with all the issues you mention. But it is written for users with MS Word (any version) of OpenOffice(free). I don't know LibreOffice. Why don't you try to download OpenOffice and follow the instructions in my book?

      And as stated: don't try to rush it. Publishing books is something similar to a marathon. So, no need to run as if you're going for a 100 m sprint.

      You'll get there.
      The starter version of Word was fine but you can't do bookmarks and hyperlinks on it. And I really need those to build my own TOC. In fact it doesn't even have a way of generating an automatic TOC, even if I wanted to.

      If I copy and paste the whole text of the book into openoffice, will it be easy to follow your instructions, or is everything laid out differently (I mean options and functions)?
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  • Profile picture of the author Katie Rich
    Johnny, you can get a free trial of MS Word 2013, have you considered it? You seem to be having problems with Libreoffice.
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  • Profile picture of the author DianaHeuser
    Johnny

    You also download Open Office for free. It works the same way as Word to a certain degree.

    Originally Posted by Johnny1975 View Post

    You know, I might just do this :

    * Not use styles, not use headings, and just manually set font sizes in relation to each other (chapter heading, etc)
    * Basically just forget about formatting and just edit everything so it looks nice in Libreoffice
    * Save the file as HTML
    * Upload it. Forget about epub, mobi, etc
    * If people don't like it, tough.
    That's not going to work if you want people to buy your books. Readers have expectations as to formatting and presentation, apart from good content of course.

    It's worth taking the time to get it done properly. It's just a learning curve.

    Di
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