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Kevin, Great post. Thank you....I personally enjoy IM very much but I have wasted so much time in trying to understand IM. It was hard for me. I almost gave up. I was so overwhelmed with this info overload. As soon as I found real focus and steps to follow then things got easier, successful and more enjoyable. Thank you, again for your insightfulness and honesty in sharing this... Vadimus |
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| Just curious, if you are a newbie, how do you know exactly WHAT you are "good" at?
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Kevin, Thanks for the great post. Focus,Persistence,learning from this forum and Taking Action really works. I notice with your previous jobs, that you've been there and done it all. Deep sea dragger huh? That sounds brutal. |
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I'm a newbie here, but I must say this is great advice. I've been on IM boards all over the place for years, and have seen exactly what you're talking about. The rules of internet business are different than brick in mortar in many ways, but hard work, dedication and honesty are things they have in common. "Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work" |
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well i m very new here and its the best advise i read in my life thanks buddy !!
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Very good points there. Research is also very important before you apply any money making method or buying any info product. |
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Hey Really motivational letter. Newbies, please do not think that IM is a get rich quick scheme. While people do claim it is easy, NEVER let this statement make you cut back on your efforts. You should still put in your effort in earning before you see your first paycheck. Also, never be discouraged and always keep learning. Hope this helps Nicholas Chen |
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I come from the Real Estate Investing niche, and the biggest sales pitch "gurus" give is that you can quit your J.O.B. and become your own boss. What people don't understand is that when having a job, there is a boss who tells you what to do and makes hard decisions. When you're own boss, you have to make those decisions. Unlike having a job, there is no guaranteed paycheck end of the week, you need to earn it. Like they say, during the gold rush, those who sold the shovels made all the money. In Real Estate Investing, those who sold the "how-to" courses made the money. The same concept rubbed on the Info Marketing industry. I've seen people who talk about how easy it is to throw a forum together and make easy money. They leave out the time and effort it needs to bring it to a point where members make it run on its own. If they make it sound hard, people won't buy the "how-to" books. I am somewhat fine with that since there is the assumption that people are adults and should know better and should treat it as a business anyway. But when people fabricate facts, twist things around with the intention of tricking people, then they are crossing the fine line. |
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So all the copy produced by IM's stating how easy it is to make €10K per month is rubbish? Are the IM's prosecuted for misleading advertising? |
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Hi Kevin, good to see you taking a break from playing with the hamsters. If I may, I would like to add a paragraph to your post. Follow the main threads on the WF for a week or two and get a feel for the most popular approaches to getting started. This forum has a strong article "Bum" marketing following as an example. Once you see an approach that looks good for you, use the SEARCH function and pull up all the old threads that discuss all the details. Then create a plan of action and follow it. Do not jump ship until you see results. If you have questions along the way, we'll be here to help. Senior warriors always help people who have proven that they are willing to help themselves. That's my addition. Thanks for the post Kevin. TomG. |
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Great post Kevin. I'm a new warrior but not new to the web (I've been developing websites since 1998). I AM new to 'internet marketing' in the way it's being done currently. I used to HATE HATE HATE the long sales letters, they just drove me batty. After plenty of split-testing and watching others and whatnot - i've come to see the light. And there's plenty more 'light' where that came from. It's a fun ride, but like you said Kevin, it's also WORK and it takes TIME. This should be stickied |
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Kevin, your point is well taken. Lots of folks are attracted to the get rich quick mentality. Seems like getting up early, putting in sweat equity and being consistent is the keys to making money anywhere. Did I mention having a mentor to walk you through your first few launches?
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wow, thanks for this great post Kevin. This is a "burning desire" post for me |
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Hi Kevin: I appreciate your article. I really feel at this point that the Warrior Forum is the best source of knowledge on the internet for internet marketers. I also have spent a lot of money, and some of it has been well spent, but at the moment I feel I get more out of learning from you guys at the WF than signing up for more courses. I also think the discussions here are real and substantive. I recently started working on creating backlinks, and have received valuable information at the WF. For some amazing reason, I had not really understood the importance of backlinks until I read some threads here. Anyway, I am pretty new to IM and am still looking for guidance from people who know how to do it. So I keep coming back. |
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Agreed in all aspect . It is the better place for the newbies. And for marketing discussion it is the great, simply great. I have learned a lot of things from here
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Also there is a huge learning curve. It goes alot more deeper than making fast cash online. You have to have the capacity to really learn about marketing. There is a difference between marketing, selling and making cash. Once the ingredients are right the success will follow. The internet is not a trusted place - it takes a lot more work to turn a prospect into a customer. The formula is consistency and hard work initially. |
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Kevin, an outstanding post, one that will really steer warriors in the right direction. The frustrated are frustrated because of being led astray by many newbies. This forum is an incredible resource to say the least for those who know how to use it and apply what they learned. THanks for taking the time to write this post, as i know it will save many a newbie warrior a lot of grief. Regards, Robert nelson |
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Kevin, Thank you for the OP. I'm a Newbie (4 months). Posts like yours in this Forum help me stay the course. Luckily, I'm not one to jump from one thing to another. So I've avoided that trap. But it sure has been tempting. The sales pitches are so good and because you haven't made any money in the first week, you begin to think that you're missing out on that one piece of information that will make money. Again, thanks for the post. C.A. Perez |
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There is no question that anyone telling you that you will get rich with IM, by sitting around and doing nothing while the money rolls in, is selling you a bunch of bull. This stuff takes a LOT of hard work. And there are always new things to try. When I started my business, I figured as soon as I reached $100 a day in profits every day, I would just sit back and collect money. Well, I reached that point a long time ago...and I could sit back and do very little, if I wanted to... But this stuff gets in your blood! You WANT to keep experimenting, and building, and tweaking. So now, having reached my financial "goal" that I set for myself, I find myself putting in more hours than ever! But I wouldn't be doing it if I didn't love it... |
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By the way, I read a post in this forum recently that pretty much sums up the "bull" I was talking about. A woman wrote, "My website has been up for a few weeks and I still haven't made a single sale. Can someone critique my website and tell me how to make money?" What product was she trying to sell? An IM product, naturally. And her site was all about how she became rich because of IM! "I sit around all day and do nothing and make $10,000 a week!" or whatever... ...when in reality, she is hanging out on these message boards trying to get advice on how to make HER FIRST SALE. |
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Thank you for this great advise! I believe i can "extract" good ideas and turn it in BIG gold bars, but this is not so easy! Every who can work harder will be rewarded!
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Great idea to write this open letter for newbies, Kevin. The sheer volume of information and 'how to' guides available for IMs today is bewildering and it's easy to understand why newbies wonder where to start. Each promotion they receive is the 'best product yet' to make you money so where do they start? The best piece of advice from many of the posts here, though, is to do SOMETHING. Don't sit on mountains of information and convince yourself that you will be ready one day to make money online. Choose a niche, research that niche, choose one or two traffic generation techniques and JUST DO IT. Even if you only make a little money to start with, what you learn along the way will enable you to make a good living in time. Steve. |
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Great post Kevin I noticing more and more that it's really a simple process. Find something that works, then work work work! The level of action you take will determine the level of results you achieve. |
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That letter should definitely be stickied, if not printed out by every newbie to the forum and taped above their workspace. I really do think there should be a "newbie guide" or special report that people get when they register with the forum that gives them a brief overview of internet marketing. Like what the common business models are, methods for finding products to sell, generating traffic, etc. along with tips for the right mindset to have. Obviously it couldn't cover each of those topics in depth, but just something that can point newbies in the right direction from day 1. |
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Kevin, Great post man. In the years of doing this I've seen so many people join even my programs and then not apply the knowledge. A few weeks after not doing anything - simply wonder where the money is and why they aren't making any. It takes time and practice to make money online. Once you know how to make even a $1 it all get easier. $1 turns into $500 and then $500 to $5000 and so on with time and practice. I always tell my students to focus on the fundamentals, build from a solid foundation and stay focused on one thing at a time. |
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This is a must read for anyone venturing in IM world... I wish I found this months ago. I think going through this "IM Learning Curve" of your own is priceless! ... I am talking about: Search in google about IM>Opt-in in those Long Sales latter>Start getting the daily dosage of "Guru" advise/pitch>then start getting those product launch email>Opt-in some more> Watch more teaser video tips from more Gurus> Buy some products but before you act on it move on to the next product> ...You know how this vicious cycle goes... I can bet 90% of the marketers went through this in some form or other. I surely enjoyed it and it strengthened my resolve to build an online business. So, Newbies no fear...take your time, do research, be within your budget, and take some consistent actions... result with success and failure will follow... Now, the question is how quickly can you learn and leverage from your failure .. To everyone's success! |
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Steve, what you've written makes sense, I've chosen my niche, I'm researching it and will have to wait and see whether it will work out in the long run. For now, I'm going to go lurk in the background, will stop asking silly questions and wait for someone else to ask them for me! ![]() Dawn | |
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Very sound advice. The Internet can be a combination of massive frustrations and big rewards and even those who are reasonably well established can bomb out at times. |
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Newbie here. Glad I came here first. I'm sure this advice will prove useful for my new ventures into IM. |
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Ah, Kevin, that was a breath of fresh air for a stale room full of incestuous smoke. Thank you. Kenneth Ps. Never thought you had a serious bone in your body |
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Hi All, As Yoda said, "There is no try...there is only DO!" |
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Kevin, As a newbie this post really hit home. Since coming here to the forum a few weeks ago I have bought several (probably 10 or 15) WSOs looking for information on how to make money online. You are right...I was going in all directions...thinking oh, maybe I should try this, then oh, maybe I should try that. But I wasn't doing anything. I bought stuff about offline marketing, affiliate marketing, and a few other things. None of them really appealed to me totally. Then I bought some information on using the public domain and marketing items from that. THAT was it for me. I realized that I didn't need any further ideas...but that I wanted to work in this area. Why? Because I love books and reading and writing. What a perfect fit. And I love wonderful vintage stuff. What a perfect fit. And I love wonderful graphics...what a perfect fit. Now my only challenge is focusing on one project at a time and getting it up and running. But I'm working on that. Man, I guess I got a bit long winded when all I really wanted to say is that I can attest to the validity of your post...been there, bought the t-shirt, but now feel I'm focused enough to get moving. Thanks for the post. |
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Great post, you'll get people excited for sure......eveyone wants to make money online. Times are hard, but together we can pull together and help each other.
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Thanks for laying it out like it is. Myself being a Warrior Forum newbie appreciate a site that takes Internet Marketing seriously. I can't wait to dig in and become a valuable member of the community. |
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This is a great introductory post Kevin. I look forward to being part of a community that does such a stand up job of looking out for its members (Especially those, lucky enough, to end up here first) I've spent the last 2 years active in other forums; and when I say seeing something like this speaks volumes about a community I'm not just being flattering. Most online "community's", consist of ten thousand cut throats out to hustle each other. At least, those in the marketing niche. -Jordan |
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Very good advice for newbies...if you only think about money when you join in Internet Marketing world, it's easily for you to give up when you face of failure...
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excellent advice kevin how about making this sticky for all the newbies out there? |
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Jason I don't believe that IM is hard. It is the easiest business I have ever built, and I've built a few. What makes it difficult for many is that they don't treat it like a business. They do a little of this and try a little of that. Never really have a solid action plan. In the offline world that would bury you very quickly, and put you in serious debt. Online it just stops you from ever succeeding. As for technical difficulties, if your hosting tech support doesn't help you, move to a better hosting company. Don't ever let tech stuff get in your way. You can always find someone who can help you out. That's what I do! Quote:
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Hi Kevin. thank you for this one. Truly it hits me. I am a newbie.I've read a few internet money making programs, freebies and paid. But at the end of the day, I always get caught with new programs that I could came across, leaving the other products untouched. Every time I read gurus claiming how they earned hundreds or thousands in a day, it motivates me ,tried following their program, one guru from another and that led me to none. I always start and not finishing. Thank you again . You are right in every sense. I am your fan. |
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This post should be a sticky. Thanks Kevin excellent advice for those who have just joined and those that have been here a while but are still suffering from magpie (shiny things online) syndrome. All the best Rach |
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Thanks for the post. After working as a marketer for startup companies, I would like to apply my general knowledge to my own ideas and business. As with any new hobby, job, or interest, it is a natural human tendency to become very interested at first, and then lose interest and quit. Several books have been written about this very idea. The Dip by Seth Godin. Mastery by George Leonard, which I personally recommend. In Mastery, Leonard says the key to getting past the plateaus is to look forward to and enjoy the plateau. He states that in most learning, the majority of time will be spent in a plateau. Therefore, you must enjoy those times to stick with the pursuit. Thanks again. |
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