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Once you have figured out where the "money" really is...

by biitchcakes
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How do you start from scratch? I mean, it didn't hit me what was really going on in the marketing world, until I had bought so much crap that was just different ways of saying the same thing.

I had heard over and over "You don't need it", "Everything you need is free" "Just listen"..

Ok. Got it.

Now that I have that under my belt, as well as the ability to write--which is guess is great, considering...

(I even ran into a government site that had so many errors it made me question its information--not USA--lol--but pretty damn close.)


My question to this is HOW do you just start marketing this stuff? If I am "new" to the Internet world, only known by those who know me in here...

Why would people buy from me? Why wouldn't they just buy from those who have already made their millions?

I don't get it. I guess you can't market that kind of information until you've got something else under your belt??

Ya following? I really want to know! I am sure a lot of people do too, but the thing is, there are people who are just gonna be like,

"Ugh, I want money, but I don't know what to do"

and then others (1%) who will actually DO something about it...

I plan on being that 1%.

Since I have already made hundreds online (but not via marketing info) I know, I am on board, and I KNOW it can be done.

But seriously, even those of you who HAVE made a crazy bat shit about of money...

You started somewhere...

How terrible was that first experience? How did it NOT tarnish your reputation??

I can taste it on the tip of my tongue...

ALMOST there!

I swear, I feel like I should go to tech school...not just a few business classes under my belt, but I feel like this would be SO much easier if I didn't have to outsource the most expensive part--which seems to be design--which is what makes you look so appealing in the first place, right?

Could someone please tell me if these thoughts of mine are on the right track?
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  • Profile picture of the author Dayne Dylan
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    SPEED = MONEY

    This means start with something and stick with it. If it fails, move on to something else and try it. It could be...

    1. Create a squeeze page and build an email list in a niche, and promote Clickbank products to them. Use PPC or article marketing for traffic to test.

    2. Create your own infoproduct based on products that already sell, just do it better. You could combine this with #1 above.

    3. Create your own information website with articles and mix in affiliate products, build a list and following, etc. Use Facebook, article marketing, PPC, etc.

    And you don't have to use your real name, you can use a pen name for anything. The thing is, don't over-think. Just start taking action on something and give it time and effort to work. If something does work, maximize it as much as possible.

    Marketing is something you just have to step into the waters with. The more you do, and fail, the more you will learn to refine and succeed. Learn from those who have done it already.

    Just my two cents
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  • Profile picture of the author biitchcakes
    Can you just start with ONE thing though?

    Say I was going to start a blog (Yes, finally, eur-freakin-eka)

    and I wanted to offer people information, based on what I have learned about marketing, but only sell one product..."until my next blog post".

    I don't want to sell it JUST BECAUSE there is money in it for me, but because not only will I be helping myself, but these other people will benefit from "oh yeah, why didn't I think of that" type stuff...

    Is sticking to one affiliate product at a time a bad idea? Of course mixed with article marketing, which I seem to be pretty good at (for other people at least), YouTube, since I think I am over my fear of cameras...etc, etc.

    OR

    just build it up until I have a nice looking blog, and a FEW different "helping posts", and THEN worry about building a list?

    Great info, btw, thanks Dayne

    I have failed, miserably lol with affiliate marketing. I should have stayed with it, though, I just realized I actually had visitors--and wasn't even RANKED! But, I learned...

    It's just such a big-wide-world, there are SO many ways to do it...and it's so hard to get sound advice...without being marketed to.

    Just found that out yesterday. I didn't get got, but I went to someone for help (who I thought was legit, sincere, and well-off.

    Well, I got one part right, but he didn't care. He asked a few questions, and then told me to spend about $200 on a personal development course, with him.

    I am made of money.
    Money clings to me.
    I am a good person.


    I've wrote eBooks for others on this, I know all about it. That's not what I need.

    I feel like a kid, and it's pissing me off. I am smarter than this, dammit.

    Sorry, ranting...

    Ya know?
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  • Profile picture of the author biitchcakes
    OH! and a biggie question I forgot to ask...

    What if you try to throw something else in, that might offend part of your list? What then? Like say I was selling dating service advice, and threw in a free book on how to grow pot--something like that...ya know?

    Wouldn't that hurt me? Trying new things? Or you don't think about the ones you lose, because it's gonna happen?
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    • Profile picture of the author Dayne Dylan
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      Originally Posted by biitchcakes View Post

      OH! and a biggie question I forgot to ask...

      What if you try to throw something else in, that might offend part of your list? What then? Like say I was selling dating service advice, and threw in a free book on how to grow pot--something like that...ya know?

      Wouldn't that hurt me? Trying new things? Or you don't think about the ones you lose, because it's gonna happen?
      YES. Stick with one thing first.

      Second, why would you promote a pot book to a dating list? Of course that might hurt your list. Why wouldn't it? Use common sense. Promote things related to your list. That's a no brainer.
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      • Profile picture of the author biitchcakes
        Originally Posted by Dayne Dylan View Post

        YES. Stick with one thing first.

        Second, why would you promote a pot book to a dating list? Of course that might hurt your list. Why wouldn't it? Use common sense. Promote things related to your list. That's a no brainer.
        Maybe I worded that wrong, sorry.

        I know, lol, a dating list wants dating information...BUT if it was just a general blog about how to REALLY get to the bottom of things...I see what you are saying.

        dating, weight-loss, money-making, etc.

        I am trying to do too much. Start a bunch. Got it.

        Shew that's a lot of work, lol.

        BUT I get it. Thanks.
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        • Profile picture of the author Nick Lotter
          Originally Posted by biitchcakes View Post

          Maybe I worded that wrong, sorry.

          I know, lol, a dating list wants dating information...BUT if it was just a general blog about how to REALLY get to the bottom of things...I see what you are saying.

          dating, weight-loss, money-making, etc.

          I am trying to do too much. Start a bunch. Got it.

          Shew that's a lot of work, lol.

          BUT I get it. Thanks.
          I also got myself all tied up and frustrated in the beginning, because I bounced between too many ideas and projects at once. When I started, I had a site in the I.M niche, weight loss niche, teeth whitening niche, amazon site, adsense site and a handful of domains I bought but never used. I never stuck with a single site long enough to actually finish setting it up. I only made money with one of the sites - funnily enough the one I put the most work into.

          Lesson learned.

          Stick with one project until its making consistent money. Then start a new one and scale up.
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          • Profile picture of the author biitchcakes
            Originally Posted by Nick Lotter View Post

            Stick with one project until its making consistent money. Then start a new one and scale up.

            Right. But if you have to do it "quickly" then how do you know if you've put enough time in, or if you haven't??

            I used Jay Wessman's technique, and loved it, but as time consuming as building backlinks and other things are...

            what do you give it before you know if it's a maker or a breaker?

            3 months? 6? How do you know when it's time to throw in the towel?

            Just trial and error?

            I know the methods of building a successful site, it's all I have been studying, you know, from looking at other successful sites.

            Writing helps too. I get the inside scoop on what others are paying for, while weeding out those who are just wasting their time paying for info that isn't going to take their site where they want it to go, but you don't tell them that...they don't care.

            It's like they are just spammers, and somehow, people buy the crap. Idk.
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    • Profile picture of the author criniit
      Well I actually started in the Solo Ad business, built that up into a success and then moved over to coaching.

      You have to pick just one method and stick with it until you have mastered it. The method you pick dosen't really matter, there are TONS of them that work.

      What I did was once I finally picked the business model I wanted to focus on (in my case solo ads) I went and found a coach that was already successful at what I wanted to do. Then put all of my focus and effort into building up my solo ad business. I was at $100/day after 3 weeks. then scaled up and decided I wanted to start coaching people to accomplish the same thing I had.

      Hope that helps!
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      • Profile picture of the author biitchcakes
        Originally Posted by criniit View Post

        Well I actually started in the Solo Ad business, built that up into a success and then moved over to coaching.

        You have to pick just one method and stick with it until you have mastered it. The method you pick dosen't really matter, there are TONS of them that work.

        What I did was once I finally picked the business model I wanted to focus on (in my case solo ads) I went and found a coach that was already successful at what I wanted to do. Then put all of my focus and effort into building up my solo ad business. I was at $100/day after 3 weeks. then scaled up and decided I wanted to start coaching people to accomplish the same thing I had.

        Hope that helps!
        Sorry, didn't see this! This is great too..

        My problem has been finding a coach who is legit, AND sincere...

        NOT someone trying to make a buck off ME, well, other than just for coaching...

        I know that sounds selfish, I am not saying that person wouldn't offer products which have helped them, but if they had got the help, and I was already paying for coaching, why would they sell me that too?

        I don't think I've found that person yet.

        I don't need someone to hold my hand, just say "yes" you are doing it correctly, or "no" you are going to fail if you try that, trust me, I've done it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Lotter
    If I'm understanding your question correctly, you're referring to competing against other marketers in the I.M niche and selling I.M products to the I.M crowd and identifying yourself as an expert in the field while doing so, while in effect, you aren't. Yet.

    The old "fake it 'til you make it" thing.

    My advice is, don't pretend to be what you're not. Most often, people will see right through it.

    Instead of being a poser, why not use the things you learn in this forum to be successful in other niche markets. Weight loss, stop smoking, relationships, whatever. Preferably something you're interested in and can write about.

    Then.... When you've got your processes all working and a repeatable system that's working for you in that niche, by all means provide that info as a product in the I.M niche -> here's the system I put into place that earned me $xxxx

    Or have I misunderstood?
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    • Profile picture of the author biitchcakes
      Originally Posted by Nick Lotter View Post

      If I'm understanding your question correctly, you're referring to competing against other marketers in the I.M niche and selling I.M products to the I.M crowd and identifying yourself as an expert in the field while doing so, while in effect, you aren't. Yet.

      The old "fake it 'til you make it" thing.

      My advice is, don't pretend to be what you're not. Most often, people will see right through it.

      Instead of being a poser, why not use the things you learn in this forum to be successful in other niche markets. Weight loss, stop smoking, relationships, whatever. Preferably something you're interested in and can write about.

      Then.... When you've got your processes all working and a repeatable system that's working for you in that niche, by all means provide that info as a product in the I.M niche -> here's the system I put into place that earned me

      Or have I misunderstood?
      Yes, this is what I was talking about. Money, and how it makes you selfish and a fake.

      I can't stand it, it is a HUGE disappointment when it happens to me, and what do I do? I unsubscribe. Vicious cycle.

      I don't want a part of that. I simply want to help people see THROUGH The fake stuff, and get right down to the point of what they wanted in the first place.

      BUT I can see what Dayne was saying, just apply the rinse, wash, repeat.

      Don't put all your chicken on the grill at the same time--it's gonna catch on fire, leaving you with nothing but burnt chicken.

      I get it.

      Bad analogy lol, sorry...
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarevok
    Here's my advice...

    1) Figure out what you want to do...
    2) Start taking action
    3) Don't stress on the small things. You'll answer these questions when you take more action and test on your own.
    4) Why would people buy from YOU instead of a guru? Well, maybe people DESPISE rich gurus and would rather learn from someone more like them. Also, if your goal is to produce information products, you can create INFORMATIVE products and rely on VALUE instead of "income claims" that many gurus use. (I personally prefer VALUE, and I think a lot of other people do too).
    5) You can also play to the "Anti-Guru" market, which there definitely is in pretty much any "Big" industry.

    Anyway... About selling stuff when you're not a guru...

    You don't have to be some mega-rich "guru" to sell information products...

    I've sold a bunch of them... And I'm sure as heck not a "guru"...

    If you want to release your OWN products? - You can sell COMPILATIONS of data, statistics, case studies, your OWN research, interviews, PLR packages, heck you can sell a TON of stuff without the "Guru" stigma. (If only gurus would published content, man you'd be eliminating countless geniuses from producing awesome stuff).

    Also - my advice regarding "offending" your list?

    NEVER concern yourself with the 10% of people on your list who get angry and unsubscribe.

    ONLY focus on the 10% who love your stuff.

    And remember that you'll NEVER appeal to the 10% who love you without drawing the ire from the 10% who will hate you.

    Hope this helps...
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    • Profile picture of the author biitchcakes
      Originally Posted by Sarevok View Post

      Here's my advice...

      1) Figure out what you want to do...
      2) Start taking action
      3) Don't stress on the small things. You'll answer these questions when you take more action and test on your own.
      4) Why would people buy from YOU instead of a guru? Well, maybe people DESPISE rich gurus and would rather learn from someone more like them. Also, if your goal is to produce information products, you can create INFORMATIVE products and rely on VALUE instead of "income claims" that many gurus use. (I personally prefer VALUE, and I think a lot of other people do too).
      5) You can also play to the "Anti-Guru" market, which there definitely is in pretty much any "Big" industry.

      Anyway... About selling stuff when you're not a guru...

      You don't have to be some mega-rich "guru" to sell information products...

      I've sold a bunch of them... And I'm sure as heck not a "guru"...

      If you want to release your OWN products? - You can sell COMPILATIONS of data, statistics, case studies, your OWN research, interviews, PLR packages, heck you can sell a TON of stuff without the "Guru" stigma. (If only gurus would published content, man you'd be eliminating countless geniuses from producing awesome stuff).

      Also - my advice regarding "offending" your list?

      NEVER concern yourself with the 10% of people on your list who get angry and unsubscribe.

      ONLY focus on the 10% who love your stuff.

      And remember that you'll NEVER appeal to the 10% who love you without drawing the ire from the 10% who will hate you.

      Hope this helps...

      This is probably some of the best advice I have got--real stuff. You're right. I am over-thinking and getting nervous again, duh!

      Screw intimidating. It's all about what you can bring to the table...and it better not be burnt chicken!



      Thanks a bunch for this!
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  • Profile picture of the author Dayne Dylan
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    If you are a good writer, why not do freelance writing for people?

    And if you feel crappy about doing products in the "how to make money online" niche or any other niche, then don't do it.

    Stick to niches that have a mix of PROVEN sales and also have YOUR INTEREST. Then create a site, an email list, etc and help people. Give them tips or advice. The you can "softly" suggest affiliate products to help them. Nothing wrong with that.

    As far as how long it takes to test, I'll give you an example...

    I found a tiny niche where people had a problem. I threw up a DEAD SIMPLE website that took me about an hour to create. Had an ebook cover created on Fiverr. And then I created the site as though I already had a product to help them. It was only a $14 report.

    Then what I did is I put an order link at the bottom, but after they clicked it, it would go to a page that said..."I apologize, but I'm updating this report. If you'd like to get a notification of when it's going to be available again, simply enter your email below".

    Then I did a few test PPC ads on Bing and FB for about $20-$30. I tested the demand.

    What I did was I TRACKED the order link to see how many clicks it got (those were people who were ready to order) as well as building a list of potential buyers.

    I got enough clicks on this that I created the product later, and now it does nearly $500 a month in passive income just from simple SEO.

    And I RARELY get a refund on the report, in fact, many thank me. So they get value out of it.

    It sounds like you know what to do, you just need to start doing it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    Maybe I worded that wrong, sorry.

    I know, lol, a dating list wants dating information...BUT if it was just a general blog about how to REALLY get to the bottom of things...I see what you are saying.

    dating, weight-loss, money-making, etc.

    I am trying to do too much. Start a bunch. Got it.

    Shew that's a lot of work, lol.

    BUT I get it. Thanks.
    No one wants to read a blog about 'everything'.

    By trying to cater to everyone you actually cater to no one.

    By trying to post about 'everything' you just end up with wishy washy information on a variety of topics that don't really interest anyone.

    People come to blogs looking for quite specific information around a certain niche / topic.

    Pick one very specific topic and be the absolute master at it. Don't be a vague blogger who writes about everything and anything.

    And just start taking action. Wrong action is better than no action. You learn when you make mistakes and know not to do it again.

    Eventually it all falls into place.

    You probably will fail the first few times. It's normal. We all do.

    Eventually you'll get it though and things will start wortkin
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