Is it all about money?

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I've found a lot of my time spent here hasn't done much for me...

I'm way behind where I should be, mostly because my skills don't permit me to do a lot of what I need done.

But that's not it, there is one thing that's going well apart from lack of interested parties, expecially here at WF. This extends across to twitter too.

It seems it's either cough up a fortune, or give something to me for free.

Why is it all about money?

Surely a lot on here are on autopilot income and can take a few moments from their day to help others out?
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    Ever think it is the posters that aren't asking the questions correctly....

    Individuals post questions like, how do I make $1,000/M from Article Marketing...

    these questions simply can't be answered because there is a lot that goes into it, a good article, a good resource box, a good landing page, a good opt-in service, a good follow up...

    However, if questions were asked like, What keyword density works best in article marketing. I bet you it would be answered and the OP would be satisfied.

    What are you questions?
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    • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
      Originally Posted by LMC View Post

      Ever think it is the posters that aren't asking the questions correctly....

      Individuals post questions like, how do I make $1,000/M from Article Marketing...

      these questions simply can't be answered because there is a lot that goes into it, a good article, a good resource box, a good landing page, a good opt-in service, a good follow up...

      However, if questions were asked like, What keyword density works best in article marketing. I bet you it would be answered and the OP would be satisfied.

      What are you questions?
      I've given up asking questions. There's no point, I bet if I said, here's 15k i need you to help me with my autoresponder, all the big guys would be swarming for my cash.

      It's money or nothing isn't it?
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        I've given up asking questions. ... It's money or nothing isn't it?
        Contradict yourself much?


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      • Profile picture of the author marcus passey
        Originally Posted by Intrepreneur View Post

        I've given up asking questions. There's no point, I bet if I said, here's 15k i need you to help me with my autoresponder, all the big guys would be swarming for my cash.

        It's money or nothing isn't it?
        I also have to respectively disagree,

        I have been given nothing but free help here at this great forum,and also products for free that the Warrior was offering in the WSO section.

        So no its not all about the money there are so many people here willing to give their time and money for free.

        Thanks to those Warriors.

        cheers

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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Why is it all about money?
      Because you can't eat gratitude. Or even depend on it.

      There. You want a straight answer? You got one. What's your next complaint?


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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    I would have to disagree... dont' really understand your rant because all your past posts look like they have replies according to your history...

    Just try again, ask maybe someone that has posted similar topics to your question via PM.

    I have asked many individuals quick one liners like, "Nice site, was membership software are you using", answered same day within an hour...

    "How did you implement this..."

    Answered same day...

    Maybee, no one knew your answers? Which means, maybe you have found a niche to figure out the problem and market to that problem....

    dunno, stay positive.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Moffatt
    This is a forum about making money is it not?
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    • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
      Originally Posted by Jason Moffatt View Post

      This is a forum about making money is it not?
      Yes it is Jason.

      And I respect everyone in this forum.

      But there seems to be a line drawn when particular questions or topics come up, where no-one with authority replies, or to the point of thread deletion.

      Why am I seeing this pattern?
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      • Profile picture of the author Jason Moffatt
        Originally Posted by Intrepreneur View Post

        Yes it is Jason.

        And I respect everyone in this forum.

        But there seems to be a line drawn when particular questions or topics come up, where no-one with authority replies, or to the point of thread deletion.

        Why am I seeing this pattern?
        Because the majority (not all) of people with real authority are not replying on forums and instead are out making money.
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        • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
          Originally Posted by Jason Moffatt View Post

          Because the majority (not all) of people with real authority are not replying on forums and instead are out making money.
          *ding*! we have a winner
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        • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
          Originally Posted by Jason Moffatt View Post

          Because the majority (not all) of people with real authority are not replying on forums and instead are out making money.
          And we appreciate you taking the time to drop by
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        But there seems to be a line drawn when particular questions or topics come up, where no-one with authority replies, or to the point of thread deletion.

        Why am I seeing this pattern?
        Maybe it's because you don't ask the right kinds of questions, as LMC suggested? I seem to recall, after going through literally hundreds of your posts one day out of curiosity, that you asked a ton of questions, and got answers to almost every one of them.

        Maybe it's because you occasionally go off on trolling expeditions, like this one, and people get fed up with it.

        Are you this spoiled and full of entitlement feelings offline?


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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
        Originally Posted by Intrepreneur View Post

        Yes it is Jason.

        And I respect everyone in this forum.

        But there seems to be a line drawn when particular questions or topics come up, where no-one with authority replies, or to the point of thread deletion.

        Why am I seeing this pattern?
        Because questions like 'how do i search for keywords' have been answered a million times on this forum. Anyone that's been here more than a month has seen the question and read the answer, so there is all kinds of people that can help.

        But for questions that take a bit more knowledge, the group that will have the answer is a bit smaller. Its not like people are sitting around on their computers monitoring the main forum waiting for THAT question to be asked, be patient.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    I've always heard and believed that if you helped enough people get what they want, you'll get what you want.

    If you're not where you think you're supposed to be - at least you know it and can fix the situation by getting the skills you need.

    If you search smart enough you could probably find all the step by step you need on most any proven online business model, or you can save a lot of time and trouble and purchase a course from someone - quite inexpensively.

    Most courses come with a 100% money back guarantee if you purchase and then don't think it will help you.

    If you buy through paypal or clickbank you can easily get your money back.

    Get a proven online business model and do get busy.

    Hope This Helps!!

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    • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      I've always heard and believed that if you helped enough people get what they want, you'll get what you want.

      If you're not where you think you're supposed to be - at least you know it and can fix the situation by getting the skills you need.

      Get a proven online business model and do get busy.

      Hope This Helps!!

      TL
      I have a proven business model.. It's looking very good.

      there is a thread I posted I'm not going to drag it up (in fact it was delted), but it is definately going to hold me back.. and not one, no-one offered to help, they just gave me more reasons to become even more confused.

      Then another post I made about managing subscribers, just like a pro, no-one replied.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...kie-issue.html

      I guess it's because this information is treated as gold, the only thing I can think of.

      I don't have gold I wish I did.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bob B
    So what are these important questions that aren't answered?

    You have 700+ posts in six weeks ish. You've obviously had some answers. Are you taking any of the answers and actually trying stuff or are you waiting for someone to tell you "the secret" - because that certainly ain't here.

    Of course there are areas where poeple help and areas where they won't. This is a business forum. People will give you a hand, not their whole arm. There's also got to be some give and take. Have you made extensive use of the search function or do you just ask a question first?

    I've never seen a line drawn on a particular question or topic - care to give an example or three?
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  • Profile picture of the author Wakunahum
    I think there is plenty of help and free advice on this forum.

    Try writing McDonalds, Walmart, UPS, etc. and ask them for a step by step business plan and see how far that gets you. Will any of those executives sit down with you or type out a 1 page response to your lists of questions about their business models or practices?

    There are plenty of legitimate posts on this forum that help you where other industries and companies wouldn't even take the time to respond to you at all. So I think that since there is alot of good information here, we should try to appreciate it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
      Is it all about money? Well, probably not ALL, but that does have A LOT to do with it...

      I can tell you why YOU might not be getting the help that you need...

      I was talking to someone on Skype 2 nights ago I think...maybe it was last night. Anyway, the guy that I was talking to gave me a link to your request for help with GetResponse and in a nutshell, this is what he told me after.

      This is the same guy that I tried to help with a site design question he asked shortly after joining the forum and he pretty much told me I was an idiot. He is also the same guy that pretty much bashes anyone that creates info products as assholes and people that purposely hold information back. Why would anyone want to help him?

      Now, I'm not sure how true any of that is, but the person that I was talking to has always been honest and I really don't see why they would lie.

      Maybe there are other people that are thinking the same thing? I've never noticed it, but I've never really been involved in any threads that you've started...but it could be something to think about.
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      • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
        Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

        This is the same guy that I tried to help with a site design question he asked shortly after joining the forum and he pretty much told me I was an idiot. He is also the same guy that pretty much bashes anyone that creates info products as assholes and people that purposely hold information back. Why would anyone want to help him?
        That does not ring a bell.

        I don't bash anyone that creates info products, but I am likely to bash info products that are not holding the truth.

        If I were to bash them I would bash them face to face not publicly.

        The advice in here is amazing, if I hadn't of joined here I wouldn't be where I am today.

        Although this thread seems to have pointed fully in the direction of WF that isn't what it's about.

        I also mentioned Twitter.

        But the biggest factor was that a thread was deleted that I was making head-way with.

        Mark
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  • Profile picture of the author Debbie Allen
    Doing searches in this forum can provide answers to most anything related to IM. I suggest you always start there - then if you cannot find what you need a post that is specific to your problem will almost always be responded to by someone with real knowledge of the topic.

    Is it 'money or nothing'? NO - you will find all the help here that you are open to receiving if you go about it in a way that shows you are trying to help yourself. All of us have our goals and we have to stay focused and work toward them if we are ever going to succeed. Savor the fact that this forum is here - open your eyes to the nuggets of gold that are available and then put them to use. Positivity will take you a lot closer to reaching success than negativity.
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  • Profile picture of the author JonStein
    Intrepreneur,

    The reason you and thousands of other WF people may not get the RIGHT answer or the complete details is simple:

    Consider this for a moment,

    You go to your best friend and ask him/her for $5 do they give it to you? (most likely YES!)
    Now lets explore a little further:

    You go down the street and approach a complete stranger and ask him/her for $5, does he/she give it to you?
    (Most likely NO!)
    Ask yourself, and answer honestly, why?

    I have noticed that you have made more than 700 posts on the forum (in just 2 short months), however, I do not recall seeing your name, including in this post.
    Shall I call you Intrepreneur, or would you like to make a formal introduction?
    The real reason you may not be getting the help you want or deserve, is because.....

    You ready for the cold hard truth?

    You are viewed as the competition and not as a friend!

    Now, that is not to say and generalize that nobody will help you because you are not their friend, however, if you come across in your posts in a more congenial manner, and with the intention of learning, associating and possibly building relationships with people, then you may find more people are willing to help.

    A good start would be to sign your posts with a name (any name, a pen name is ok) Let me know you are a real person with a real name. I use my name as my userid and quite often (not always) I also sign my posts.

    The next step is to not expect that anyone owes you an answer. Most people may give answers from their experience and combined with that of many other IM people you may well arrive at a solution.

    I know that I have taken advice from several people on here and combined that advice with some of my original thought and arrived at excellent results.

    Finally, Present your question, be complete and concise in what you need, give details and always thank people when they answer. (I see you do this already).

    Hopefully, these small suggestions may help you.
    Just remember, you want something, it is easier to get it from a friend or associate than it is a stranger, so go make some new friends, and in a short time, I am sure your knowledge and skills will be increased.

    Jon
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  • Profile picture of the author Johnathan
    There is a lot of value if you read 'between' the lines so to speak. The thing is, the strategy needs to be implemented.

    For myself, although it hasn't (yet) been a "lot" of money, I've gotten some ideas here that once I implemented them netted me about $4,000-$5,000. Now, I had to "work" at it (and it turns out the ideas I implemented aren't exactly what I am looking for, mainly because they aren't the best use of my time), but the fact is, there are plenty of ideas on 'how' to make money here. If you check some of my postings, one experiment I did was to see how well I could do with article writing (that's the approx $4k) -- turned out it was really time consuming and not exactly what I wanted to do/didn't quite give me the return I was looking for, but the fact is, I did "make" money from doing that. In the process of doing that, however, I did come up with a few other ideas based off of that have allowed me to 'generate' additional income with minimal time spent. (Approximately $1,000 from probably 4-5 hours work, which isn't bad, but still not exactly what I am looking for, because it is not necessarily that easy to 'duplicate'. I.e., I basically got 'lucky' with a client who was willing to pay for the expertise I can provide in a certain area).

    But my taking action was simply based on other people saying 'gosh, I can make money writing articles for people' -- and so I wanted to see what I could do myself.

    So there are plenty of ideas for someone on a limited budget, you just need to do it.

    Now if you are asking -- is it possible to have an automated system to generate cash for me while I sleep -- the answer is yes, but again, it takes work. You have to set the system up correctly, you have to create a product that enriches other people's lives, and you have to have some marketing savvy (let people know about it), but, it is possible.

    Here are some ideas on how you can "make" money, and don't worry, I'm not charging you (although if you want to send some cash my way when you do so, I will be quite pleased ) --

    1. Web Design - Find someone who wants a website, make them a website
    2. Article Writing - Write articles for other people.
    3. Product Creation - Create a quality product that adds value to other people's lives, and sell it.

    There are three great ideas that you can implement immediately, and see results from within a couple days if you took action now.

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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    well you might want to tell everyone what 'gr' is.

    Remember you are in a capitalist forum here. While everyone is helpful, there is a line because making money is competitive by its very nature.

    Think of it as a treasure hunting forum.

    I dont mind showing you how to use a compass, or even how to use a shovel, but if you're waiting for me to show you how where to dig, you'll be waiting for a long time because thats why i'm here too
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Alexa,

        Again, I think you're being more charitable than is warranted. Who knows? You may be right.

        I'm not betting on it, though. The kid's not stupid, and he's been booted from this place before for the same stuff. He either doesn't care, or he doesn't learn, or he's a troll.

        Take your pick, "Mark." Which is it?


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        • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
          It's none of those, why a troll when I only want answers?

          I notice you thanked Jermey for what he said when it's not even true.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
            Actually,

            Originally Posted by Intrepreneur View Post

            It's none of those, why a troll when I only want answers?

            I notice you thanked Jermey for what he said when it's not even true.
            I just got done looking at the thread about the site design question and it is true

            Although, I think Paul might be being a little hard on you. I don't think your trying to be that way on purpose...I think what you say and how you say it sometimes comes out in a way that not everyone can appreciate
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            • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
              Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

              Actually,



              I just got done looking at the thread about the site design question and it is true

              Although, I think Paul might be being a little hard on you. I don't think your trying to be that way on purpose...I think what you say and how you say it sometimes comes out in a way that not everyone can appreciate
              I'm actually interested to see the thread because it does sound like I might not have meant what it came across as..

              I think I've said that somewhere else on the forum before that my writing can sometimes come across as rude in order to rectify something I had said.

              Thanks.
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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            Why did I thank Jeremy? Because he said what I was not saying, but have seen with my own eyes from reading your posts.

            And trolling with questions is one of the most time-honored techniques there is. Ask Alexa about the dude she defended when I called him a troll recently, who was "just asking questions." Until he wasn't.

            When he got called on it, he made various threats, posted racist and religiously oriented hate threads, and generally acted like a psychopath.

            You seem to prefer Chinese water torture to the quick hammer blow, but you're just as bad for this place as he is. Possibly worse, since people are likely to think you're just a misguided kid, rather than a deliberately sneaky spoiled brat.


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            • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
              Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

              You seem to prefer Chinese water torture to the quick hammer blow, but you're just as bad for this place as he is. Possibly worse, since people are likely to think you're just a misguided kid, rather than a deliberately sneaky spoiled brat.


              Paul
              That's an opinion.

              And if that's you opinion, I'd be glad to not have use of any of your advice.
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              • Profile picture of the author ptone
                Originally Posted by Intrepreneur View Post

                That's an opinion.

                And if that's you opinion, I'd be glad to not have use of any of your advice.
                That would be a HUGE mistake on so many levels.
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              • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                That's an opinion.
                Yep. That's why it started with "seems."
                And if that's you opinion, I'd be glad to not have use of any of your advice.
                Probably best you feel that way. Most of my advice is geared for sentient life forms.


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                • Profile picture of the author ptone
                  Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                  Most of my advice is geared for sentient life forms.
                  Paul
                  rushing off to dictionary dot com to see what the hell this means...
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                  ok - I'm back



                  Good point, Paul!
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                  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                    ptone,
                    Good point, Paul!
                    That's why I wear the hat. Covers the point...


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                    • Profile picture of the author ptone
                      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                      ptone,That's why I wear the hat. Covers the point...


                      Paul
                      That reminds me, Paul (sorry for the OT tangent here).

                      When I was a sophomore in high school (many years ago), my best friend and I shared English class. Neither of us liked the teacher. One day he asked her a question regarding sentence diagrams. She answered him to which he then replied, "that's a good point, you should cover it with a hat."

                      Fortunately for me, I sat in the back of class and was able to hide my laughter. Fortunately for him, she either didn't get it, or decided to give him a freebie.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                        ptone,
                        my best friend and I shared English class. Neither of us liked the teacher. One day he asked her a question regarding sentence diagrams. She answered him to which he then replied, "that's a good point, you should cover it with a hat."
                        Take THAT, Mrs Wombat!


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                  • Profile picture of the author ExRat
                    Hi Intrepreneur,

                    I remember when you arrived not so long ago, and the impression you gave was similar to a certain type who comes here and then disappears - I could (but won't) give the names of others who no longer post here, but acted in a virtually identical manner.

                    These type start way too many threads, nearly all of them are questions, and the key factor is that over periods of days (sometimes hours) you see them jumping from one subject to another. Sometimes it seems that they are so busy asking a new question about a totally different subject that they could not possibly have digested the answers to the last one or spent any time on the issue.

                    Just a brief look at your posts shows over a period of a week or two, you appear to be indulging in deep study of, and asking about the high-end products (as if you are about to buy)regarding diverse subjects as - butterfly marketing, PPC, PHP, Facebook PPC, hypnosis, copywriting, article marketing, site building, SEO...

                    The list is endless, and it was noticeable at the time. Imagine giving someone an in depth answer to a question because they appear to really want to study and master a subject - then five minutes later they're getting an in depth answer from others about something else that proves that they are not really mastering anything and just jumping from one thing to the other. Would you make the effort to help them again? Would you gasp in amazement as you see the broad list of subjects that the person appears to be trying to master all at once?

                    Look around the end of May to see what I mean. Then to add to this, you're having arguments with people about your opinions on the subjects you're asking about.

                    And finally, as well as having questions for every topic imaginable you sometimes offer opinions that are presented as factual, but are infact ill-informed and misleading and prove that you really shouldn't be offering the advice.

                    Example -

                    My sincerest objections to purchasing RAP is the inability to use Clickbank.. I don't know why but it should be part of the script.
                    From here post #20

                    I'm trying not to sound harsh (and probably failing), but also trying to answer your question. Personally, I'm more likely to help someone if -

                    a) they appear to make the most of the help

                    b) when they encounter other problems they will use initiative, rather than coming back expecting to be spoon fed again

                    Showing initiative opens many doors that were previously closed.

                    Just this morning I had to send someone else to here and Paul had to explain that it would have been easier for them to have searched themselves than to create an 'Urgent help needed' thread asking where to find 'a free ftp'.
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              • Profile picture of the author HeySal
                Originally Posted by Intrepreneur View Post

                That's an opinion.

                And if that's you opinion, I'd be glad to not have use of any of your advice.
                Well there ya go, little dude. If you fail to recognize good advice and expertise just because it's from someone you wouldn't sit and blow a doob with, you aren't going to go very far no matter where you peddle your bike.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bob B
    I doubt anyone does GR autoresponder coaching because their site is packed with info, even videos. Their support is also excellent. Did you try asking them?

    Cookie issue. If you're paying for GR you can use different sign ups on different pages or if that doesn't suit your purposes you can transfer manually. Even if you're getting hundreds of sign ups a day, manual transfer is pretty easy. Also refer to my first point. Try asking them.

    As for your third one - is greed causing your failure? What sort of response do you expect from that? You have to build authority before you can speak with authority. I'd suggest a lot more helping before you start having a pop at people.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Intrepreneur - I've seen some great answers to your question here.
    Now I have one for you. Take a look at the number of newbies that are flooding in daily now.
    While I understand that each may need some personal help here and there -- I also know that you can't expect those who are more advanced to have the time to answer each question, take time to help each person who needs help.

    When I came into the forum I was able to find the on/off button on my computer and do some simple word processing - that's all. My talents lay in writing and using technology was like dealing with an alien spacecraft.

    There were also hundreds of other newbies signing onto the forums when I did. What were my chances against others who had more knowledge to start with?

    Most of the others are gone now. Why not me, too?

    When I got here I asked questions, too - some pretty stupid ones, a case that really hasn't changed much over the years - but I also got to know some people as people during my time here. Behind every marketer is a human - and each human has blind spots. Even the experts. By that I mean sometimes the experts could use a new perspective or bit of info themselves - but who in here when they are new thinks to stop and actually deliver rather than just ask more questions?

    Each of us has expertise in something. I still remember the first post that I was actually able to contribute intelligent input into. It was a group of "gurus" talking about overseas marketing - and they were on a bad track with it and I was able to give them some expert information about translating problems.

    Being able to give excellent information made me feel like I was earning my place here.
    It helped me get to know people and before too long some of the friends I made were more than happy to teach me what they knew. I'm not saying that I know everything - I'm still technologically stunted. But I have proved myself trustworthy and honest - and hard working and don't have problems finding wonderful JV partners to take the ends I don't understand off of my hands.

    SO maybe your problem isn't that we don't care -- maybe the problem is that because you are new you just expect to be grabbed up and put on a little pedistal with a halo over your head........how many others that joined this week would seek the same? How many are there who are actually in a position to offer it?

    If you want to become a real member of this group, one who can rely on help -- you have to learn what YOU are an expert at and give as well as receive. The WF is a potluck - and participants are expected to make a contribution to the feast. Crashers don't last all that long, there isn't always enough to go around.

    So while you are in here whining about how nobody helps you -- why don't you tell us who YOU helped today -- and maybe what you really smoke at and offer to trade some help.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dana Forsythe
    Originally Posted by Intrepreneur View Post

    I've found a lot of my time spent here hasn't done much for me...

    I'm way behind where I should be, mostly because my skills don't permit me to do a lot of what I need done.

    But that's not it, there is one thing that's going well apart from lack of interested parties, expecially here at WF. This extends across to twitter too.

    It seems it's either cough up a fortune, or give something to me for free.

    Why is it all about money?

    Surely a lot on here are on autopilot income and can take a few moments from their day to help others out?
    A lot of people replied to this with good answers. And I can say that I've received a TON of help from this forum. I've made some great friends that I network with daily and exchange ideas with. In addition, I've given out a bunch of help as well. 90% of the people I talk to on Skype are people asking for help. I guess what Im saying is that you need to help others as well. Start networking.. share ideas.. make friends.

    I also agree with all the guys that are telling you to not ask general questions. If you asked me "how to make money" I would have a difficult time answering you because what you're really asking is what I do to make money. So I could either tell you what I do which would take a few months to detail out. Or, I could give you a very simple answer like "I trade forex" which wouldn't help you at all. See the problem?
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  • Profile picture of the author Bob B
    Now there's a guy that knows what he's doing around here. Andy Henry. Pops by, injects humor with one line, enriches the whole post.

    Top Man!
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  • Profile picture of the author Bev Clement
    I've been trying this for quite some time now, to find a serious JV.

    Basically I setup a blog quite a while ago and have been dricing traffic to it.

    That's all well and good, but it's missing a vital ingredient.

    A backend sales process.

    And has been for a very long time.

    I guessed that making friends on Skype would mean some people would be interested in working with me.

    I guess thoiugh that these people are the same as me, too busy doing their own thing to get serious about something not theirs even thought it's a very reasonable and serious way to start generating income from what's already there.

    My heart dampens at how much I want todo this but can't find the right time, I guess I wish I had a serious JV partner that wants to work with me but I just can't find one.

    To me it's a very lucrative opptountiy in thought but to action alone or without someone to make sure it all goes the right way I'm basically leaving thousands lying on the table.

    What's your thoughts on me finding a knowledgable and serious JV partner?
    I think this post summed it up for me. You want someone to go away from what they are doing to do a JV because you don't have the time to do it?

    If you can't find the time, why would anyone want to JV with you?

    Greed is really the reason for failure, when a person wants to take the money and expect others to stop and do all the work for them.
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    • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
      Originally Posted by Bev Clement View Post

      I think this post summed it up for me. You want someone to go away from what they are doing to do a JV because you don't have the time to do it?

      If you can't find the time, why would anyone want to JV with you?

      Greed is really the reason for failure, when a person wants to take the money and expect others to stop and do all the work for them.
      My words may not have been right.

      Anyway I'm off to get some work done.
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by Intrepreneur View Post

    Why is it all about money?
    Because we're all doing our own stuff, and we don't have enough time for that as it is. If you want us to help you with yours, you have to help us with ours. If you have the skills we need, you can invest some time and effort. If you don't, then you can invest money, and we'll buy what we really need.

    Now pay attention, because this part here usually costs money.

    The "iron triangle" of project management is Resources, Schedule, Scope. That's the tools and skills you need to do your job, the amount of time you have to do your job, and the size and complexity of your job.

    If you don't have enough of one, you have to adjust the others.

    Not enough resources means you need to have a smaller scope, a longer schedule, or both.

    Too short a schedule means you need more resources, a smaller scope, or both.

    Too large a scope means you need more resources, a longer schedule, or both.

    That's all you can do. Figure out the problem and adjust the way you work. End of story. Tune in next time the mood strikes me, and I'll tell you how to make hard decisions without feeling bad about it later.

    Or you can beg. I like begging. It makes me feel all important and stuff.

    Surely a lot on here are on autopilot income and can take a few moments from their day to help others out?
    If you're not willing to trade value for value, then beggars can't be choosers, as the saying goes. Plenty of people are giving you a few moments out of their day to say what they think will help you out; I just did that myself. If you don't think you can use what I just told you, that is not my problem.

    Now, if you want to tell me what I need to do for you, then I get to tell you what to do for me. And if you don't do it, then I don't have to do what you want. So you can either negotiate, or shut up and be satisfied with the drips and drabs that happen to land near you.

    And if you're paying attention, there are some pretty awesome drips and drabs falling all over the place around here. If your time here isn't doing much for you, then you're just plain not trying. Just last week, Gabor Olah went in the Warrior Classifieds area and posted a link to a boatload of free PLR content (search for "plrwholesaler"). I've spent three days just categorising the licenses, and I'm still not done. Didn't spend a dime, and in the process of doing this, I came up with several new ways I can use them to my benefit.

    What do we keep saying here? It works if you work it? Something like that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Diana Lane
    Originally Posted by Intrepreneur View Post

    Surely a lot on here are on autopilot income and can take a few moments from their day to help others out?
    Most people dream of running their businesses on autopilot so that they can spend more time with loved ones.. family, friends... and do all the wonderful things that the daily grind has so far prevented them from doing.

    Top of no-one's wish list is 'Help out person who for some reason thinks I owe him it anyway, but evidently will always know better than anyone who advises him, and will take no notice of any arguments against the ropey and unproven 'advice' that he himself doles out on a regular basis'.

    Sal makes a great point about you offering help too, but having seen a few threads started by you where you state (with no proof whatsoever) that several widely-held truths about SEO are inaccurate, then for the sake of the newcomers to the forum I would not be unhappy if you offered such 'help' elsewhere.

    The best way to find the quality contributions that you seek here is by not diluting them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
    Originally Posted by Intrepreneur View Post

    I've found a lot of my time spent here hasn't done much for me...

    I'm way behind where I should be, mostly because my skills don't permit me to do a lot of what I need done.

    But that's not it, there is one thing that's going well apart from lack of interested parties, expecially here at WF. This extends across to twitter too.

    It seems it's either cough up a fortune, or give something to me for free.

    Why is it all about money?

    Surely a lot on here are on autopilot income and can take a few moments from their day to help others out?


    First of all the reason a lot of people don't help you anymore is because no matter what advice they share with you it seems you always have to throw in your opinion on the subject.

    I got news for ya... If you ask a question because you don't know something, fine! But when you turn around and say "no that won't work" or "I can't see that working" or anything of that nature then you deserve to be ignored.

    You're a little piss-ant who thinks you're entitled to whatever you ask for...

    Mike Hill
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    Intrepreneur has received a ton of help in the copywriting forum and
    yet reposts to ask followup questions on the same letter and still
    gets more advice again. This is a false claim hw is making about
    not receiving help.

    I must give him credit for actually getting people's attention from
    the responses he gets. So the opposite is really true.

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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by Raydal View Post

      This is a false claim hw is making about
      not receiving help.
      That's not his claim. His problem isn't that nobody is giving him help, it's that he has not been helped.

      Which is to say, he doesn't like the help he's getting. He feels like someone should be ready, willing, and able to hand him a working business just for the hell of it.

      The reality is, some people out there actually are... but while there are a couple hundred people out there willing to do that, there are a couple billion standing there with their hands out. So your chances of being the guy standing there with his hand out when the business gets given away? They're pretty much on par with winning the lottery.

      So don't make it part of your business plan.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joygold
    Originally Posted by Intrepreneur View Post


    Why is it all about money?

    Surely a lot on here are on autopilot income and can take a few moments from their day to help others out?
    Unfortunately, this is the reality of life.

    Try going to a drugstore for cold medicine without money and say:

    "If You guys really wanted to help me, you could surely give me the medicine for free"

    The reality of the world is that money talks.

    Business is in place to profit. Corporations have a legal obligation to try to make more money for their shareholders.

    It's just the way of capitalism.

    Usually when someone like yourself makes a statement like you did, it's out of frustration - which is understandable.

    Maybe you should offer your own services for free to others to learn things in an intern type of position.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
    Originally Posted by Intrepreneur View Post

    I've found a lot of my time spent here hasn't done much for me...
    I see what your problem is...

    You've been here almost two months and you've only got 745 posts. You need to participate more.
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    • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
      Originally Posted by KenStrong View Post

      I see what your problem is...

      You've been here almost two months and you've only got 745 posts. You need to participate more.
      Ken, he's had over 500 posts deleted under this username and almost 1000 posts deleted under another username before that one was banned. And that took less than 100 days.

      And this is only one of the forums he contaminates. Maybe he should write an ebook on "How to Avoid Real Life by Becoming a Forum Addict" and hit the guru circuit. At least that would get him out of the house.

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