My Take on the Stomping Rampage

[Phil Craig]

K, so here is my take on the Stomping the Search Engines promotion that is filling my email box.

Should I really take you seriously with your copy and paste marketing attempts? With a promotion of this size you have to add value to the offer.

Simply dressing the link with an email message isn't enough.

Realize that your subscribers (me being one) just got seven messages in a row, each with a different subject line, making the same link available and telling me that "Yay, it is up now!" or some variation.

You need to be adding something of value to the offer. Yes,we love you and what you have to say. We wouldn't keep our subscription if we didn't. But please let this one let be the "light bulb" went on with and help you add something extra special to the mix.

For me, I'm not into to the "seo" stuff. I cut my chops on black hat page generation (the randomness of which still makes me money) and get more bang from my buck buying expired domain names that give me all of the effort the prior owners put into it for little more than the cost of registration.

Phil

[chiboa]

Sure... it gets annoying getting the same promo over and over... this has hardly been the first. Don't take the copy and pastes seriously... but how can you discount the product?

I am not sure you can compare picking up expired domains to the work Fallon and Jenkins do with SEO in their businesses.

Maybe I am missing your point...

[Jose Delgado]

I've gotten WAY more than seven emails promoting it.

I simply deleted them all!

[Ephrils]

I'm not on many lists so I didn't get bombarded with them(still need to double check my email to be sure) but if I could put a referrer in I'd put Frank Kern His was the ONLY email I clicked through to find out what the whole big release was. And apparently he sat this one out. So, in my case, if anyone gets credit for me signing up it's Frank. I was looking for a referral box just in case

[marxwarfor]

I have NEVER been so unimpressed with so many upsells in my life!!

i love these guys, as I really believe that they know what they are talking about, but when i had to click through what seemed liked 3, 4, 5 times just to complete my order, that's when I said - ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!

You want to upsell?? Fine no worries, I understand the biz, but please don't bombard me with these offers that cause me to lose respect in what you claim to be, such upstanding young gentlemen that are so forthright.

I will still keep myself on their email list, because they are indeed good at what they do, it's just I have less respect for them after this whole fiasco with this seemingly never-ending upsell. God I hate pushy people!!

[BlueSquares]

I just got an email from Yaro promoting this and the link doesn't even work. And it's his 2nd email because the 1st didn't work.

Ay-yi-yi. Talk about a poor 1st impression to 'Stomping'.

[jasonl70]

Originally Posted by chiboa

Sure... it gets annoying getting the same promo over and over... this has hardly been the first. Don't take the copy and pastes seriously... but how can you discount the product?

I am not sure you can compare picking up expired domains to the work Fallon and Jenkins do with SEO in their businesses.

Maybe I am missing your point...

expired domain names can be GREAT for seo.
Already indexed, aged, and with back links and PR included

[Scott Ames]

Amazing how we are all in IM but are ticked off by marketing.

[Paul Gram]

It's ridiculous that you guys would complain about upsells on a basically FREE product! They are not a charity, you should be learning from their upsell process, not hating on it. They would be foolish NOT to upsell.

[Shaun OReilly]

Originally Posted by marxwarfor

I have NEVER been so unimpressed with so many upsells in my life!!

i love these guys, as I really believe that they know what they are talking about, but when i had to click through what seemed liked 3, 4, 5 times just to complete my order, that's when I said - ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!

You want to upsell?? Fine no worries, I understand the biz, but please don't bombard me with these offers that cause me to lose respect in what you claim to be, such upstanding young gentlemen that are so forthright.

I will still keep myself on their email list, because they are indeed good at what they do, it's just I have less respect for them after this whole fiasco with this seemingly never-ending upsell. God I hate pushy people!!

My sentiments exactly.

I don't mind AN upsell. But upsell hell get's me clickin' the back button and
bailing out of the cart quicker than you can say Jack Flash.

I entered my name and e-mail and proceeded to 'Step 2 of 2'. Then I looked
at the links at the bottom and it was clear that a series of nausiating upsells
lay ahead. So it wasn't Step 2 of 2 at all.

Well up yours StomperNet - I don't need your information that much.

Alarm bells began to ring so I bailed out.

And before some wise crack obnoxious marketer says 'hey are you
a marketer who doesn't like being marketed to?' here's my response:

I don't mind being marketed to if I'm treated with respect and it's a
good experience. Start doing bait and switch and I'll take my money
and attention elsewhere.

Best wishes,

Shaun

[Paul Buckley]

Since when has annoying your customers/prospects been considered good marketing?

[Lance K]

Originally Posted by Paul Gram

It's ridiculous that you guys would complain about upsells on a basically FREE product! They are not a charity, you should be learning from their upsell process, not hating on it. They would be foolish NOT to upsell.

I figured the least I could do was hear them out after they offered all they did for a mere $10 s&h. Yes, I still succomb to the theory of reciprocity.

Originally Posted by Scott Ames

Amazing how we are all in IM but are ticked off by marketing

There's some truth to that. But wouldn't you agree that it may be just as much the seller's fault as it is the buyer's? Since their prospects are well versed in the ways of marketing, a little bit of measured creativity could possibly go a long way.

[marxwarfor]

THANK YOU SHAUN!!!

I couldn't have said i better. As far as Paul Gram is concerned, that is if he read my post correctly, i said that i have 'no problem' with an upsell', it's part of the biz that I even do myself. However, when you're doing so much of the 'bait and switch' as Shaun said, well that's where I take issue.

Yes those guys are good, and I appreciate their 'free offer' - good deal? - yes........ so that gives you the right to keep pushing your whole inventory on me also???!!!

Please don't shove it down my throat either for Christ's sakes!!!

The irony is, if they hadn't been so aggressive, I might have actually bought something else from them, if they had been a little less obtrusive.

[James Schramko]

I am really enjoying not being on everybodys list and my productivity is up as a result.

It makes sense to offer a little extra value if you do recommend a product and everyone else is too. I put on something for my clients because they deserve the respect of an honest review and an extra way to get the best out of the product.

[Lance K]

Originally Posted by marxwarfor

THANK YOU SHAUN!!!

I couldn't have said i better. As far as Paul Gram is concerned, that is if he read my post correctly, i said that i have 'no problem' with an upsell', it's part of the biz that I even do myself. However, when you're doing so much of the 'bait and switch' as Shaun said, well that's where I take issue.

Yes those guys are good, and I appreciate their 'free offer' - good deal? - yes........ so that gives you the right to keep pushing your whole inventory on me also???!!!

Please don't shove it down my throat either for Christ's sakes!!!

The irony is, if they hadn't been so aggressive, I might have actually bought something else from them, if they had been a little less obtrusive.

Please be careful of the accusations you make. There was IN NO WAY "bait and switch" involved. Had you read the offers you would see that clearly. If the upsells annoyed you and you didn't read the offers, no big deal. But let's not throw around unsubstantiated acccusations.

[marxwarfor]

Originally Posted by Paul Buckley

Since when has annoying your customers/prospects been considered good marketing?

Thank you also for understanding my friend!

God help me, that if I ever get the mentality that push, push and push some more, to the point where you're pissing your customers off....., is considered 'better' marketing, no matter how good my bonus is, please shoot me now

[Kim Standerline]

Originally Posted by Paul Gram

They would be foolish NOT to upsell.

I agree entirely, but there does come a point when enough is enough.

There is such a thing as upsell nightmare and if it loses them the sale, it aint workin is it. (How many more sales did they lose I wonder)

Kim

[marxwarfor]

Originally Posted by Lance K

Please be careful of the accusations you make. There was IN NO WAY "bait and switch" involved. Had you read the offers you would see that clearly. If the upsells annoyed you and you didn't read the offers, no big deal. But let's not throw around unsubstantiated acccusations.

Actually Lance,

You are absolutely right!!! My sincere apologies...I didn't mean to use that term - I agree with you, they didn't use that tactic (maybe I've had a rough day - ( ), but I firmly stand by everything else I have said.

[jjpmarketing]

Yeah the upsells were a little annoying... but I get the reasoning behind them. As a marketer I understand... but also as a marketer I know all I need to do is click "no thanks" and keep doing so until the end.

They have an $800 per month membership site. So I will click through 100 upsells if I can get my hands on any of their SEO How To's. I mean if people are willing to pay $800 per month for that knowledge. I am willing to suffer through a few upsells just to get my hands on a little piece of that knowledge for $9.95 in shipping.

Besides that aren't interested in knowing if it annoys their customer. Those 10 people who were promoting their STSE2 product were playing a numbers game. Put your product in front of enough people, and eventually someone will pay for 1 or more of the upsells.

[Shaun OReilly]

Originally Posted by Lance K

Please be careful of the accusations you make. There was IN NO WAY "bait and switch" involved. Had you read the offers you would see that clearly. If the upsells annoyed you and you didn't read the offers, no big deal. But let's not throw around unsubstantiated acccusations.

Ooops - my mistake. I mentioned the term bait and switch first.

I've just looked up the term in Wikipedia and found out what the terms means.

Bait and switch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now that I understand the term better, it's not really what I meant in this case.

What I meant to say (albeit with an ignorance of the term bait and switch) was
that the way the Stomper deal came across to me was as follows:

Here's a great deal. Get Stomping the Search Engines 2 for free, if you try our
NetEffect magazine.

Cool I thought. Nice deal - I'd have to be stupid not to take them up on it.

Then I get to the next step (supposedly Step 2 or 2 which it wasn't - their
first error).

Now my alarm bells are starting to ring. A series of upsells await. This is what
they really wanted to sell me. Now they've switched their offer to suck as much
money out of me as possible.

I've long admired Brad and Andy and purchased their original Stomping the Search
Engines years ago and StomperNet too. But this one just went over the line
of aggressive, obnoxious, self-centered marketing.

Best wishes,

Shaun

[Paul Gram]

Originally Posted by Paul Buckley

Since when has annoying your customers/prospects been considered good marketing?

I was not annoyed at all by the upsells. It took about 30 seconds to click past them, no big deal at all. I don't understand why people are worked up over this.

[Lance K]

Originally Posted by marxwarfor

Actually Lance,

You are absolutely right!!! My sincere apologies...I didn't mean to use that term - I agree with you, they didn't use that tactic (maybe I've had a rough day - ( ), but I firmly stand by everything else I have said.

And I agree with pretty much all of it. Only thing I challenge a little bit I addressed earlier in my reply about tolerating the upsells due to the theory of reciprocity. But I'll conceed that even reciprocity has it's boundaries which when crossed may wipe out any feelings of indebtedness entirely.

I mean, the people who give you sample bites of sausage at the grocery store don't hit you up to buy a gallon of ice cream for dessert after you buy a box of the sausages.

It's a fine line. I'm more concerned about getting it right in my promotions than whether or not others do. But none the less, it's a real issue that's worthy of consideration.

[marxwarfor]

Originally Posted by Paul Gram

I was not annoyed at all by the upsells. It took about 30 seconds to click past them, no big deal at all. I don't understand why people are worked up over this.

Principle my good friend Paul - 'Principle'

[Lance K]

Originally Posted by Shaun OReilly

Here's a great deal. Get Stomping the Search Engines 2 for free, if you try our
NetEffect magazine.

Cool I thought. Nice deal - I'd have to be stupid not to take them up on it.

Then I get to the next step (supposedly Step 2 or 2 which it wasn't - their
first error).

Now my alarm bells are starting to ring. A series of upsells await. This is what
they really wanted to sell me. Now they've switched their offer to suck as much
money out of me as possible.

I've long admired Brad and Andy and purchased their original Stomping the Search
Engines years ago and StomperNet too. But this one just went over the line
of aggressive, obnoxious, self-centered marketing.

Best wishes,

Shaun

I agree totally. Probably would have used some milder adjectives, but I agree. I simply took them up on the initial offer as well as the free DVD offer and clicked "No Thanks" for all the others.

Which I'm sure they're fine with. Because not only is there a good possibility that I'll continue paying $30/month for Net Effect and $20/month for the DVDs, but also a high possibility that I'll join the $800/month StomperNet in the future if enough value is obtained through these 2 smaller introductory products.

Essentially what they've done is made their waiting list for Stomper Net even more valuable. Assuming they deliver the value on these products of course.

IMO, the other upsells were merely potential profit centers (all seemed to be great offers) for an otherwise loss leader promotion. Basically icing on the cake. Does that make sense?

[marxwarfor]

Originally Posted by Lance K

I agree totally. Probably would have used some milder adjectives, but I agree. I simply took them up on the initial offer as well as the free DVD offer and clicked "No Thanks" for all the others.

Which I'm sure they're fine with. Because not only is there a good possibility that I'll continue paying $30/month for Net Effect and $20/month for the DVDs, but also a high possibility that I'll join the $800/month StomperNet in the future if enough value is obtained through these 2 smaller introductory products.

Essentially what they've done is made their waiting list for Stomper Net even more valuable. Assuming they deliver the value on these products of course.

IMO, the other upsells were merely potential profit centers (all seemed to be great offers) for an otherwise loss leader promotion. Basically icing on the cake. Does that make sense?

Very well said Lance - very well said... HOWEVER...

I'd be pretty damned bummed out if I didn't get a gallon of ice-cream after chowin' down some grisly sausage!!

[Scott Ames]

I just watched a Mike Filsaime video on upsells, downsells, etc. where he featured GoDaddy.

The StomperNet upsell, downsell was nothing compaired to GoDaddy. My gosh theirs goes on for infinity until you break out. My assumption is that it sells stuff and that's why they do it.

[Jason Moffatt]

I think I'm gonna dump all my money into Kleenex stock!

[Jason Moffatt]

Originally Posted by davebo

*enter Jason Mofatt Kissup brigade*

huh? I don't get it.

And I'm not even drunk yet

[Alex Sol]

I got 5 e-mails and deleted them all without reading except Frank Kern's.

I clicked on the link... I signed up for the "free DVD's"... I did not read the upsells > Scroll Down > No Thank You > Next >Scroll Down > No Thank You... finally got to the last page, made sure that I was actually charged for SHIPPING only > Order.

Copy/paste (save in a document on my PC) the CANCELLATION info - to cancel the monthly 39$ subscription as soon as I got the DVD's ...

Simple.

[Jason Moffatt]

Originally Posted by kiev

I got 5 e-mails and deleted them all without reading except Frank Kern's.

I clicked on the link... I signed up for the "free DVD's"... I did not read the upsells > Scroll Down > No Thank You > Next >Scroll Down > No Thank You... finally got to the last page, made sure that I was actually charged for SHIPPING only > Order.

Copy/paste (save in a document on my PC) the CANCELLATION info - to cancel the monthly 39$ subscription as soon as I got the DVD's ...

Simple.

Total PRICK!

Last dude who posted something like this, Kern instantly went into his system and deleted the dudes order, and 86'd him from his mailing lists.

I hope the Stomper dudes do the same to you.

At least give the vendors a chance to prove themselves people. If you don't find value in the product, fine, cancel.

But going into the deal knowing you are going to cancel is total duetschbag maneuver.

[Alex Sol]

Originally Posted by Jason Moffatt

Total PRICK!

Last dude who posted something like this, Kern instantly went into his system and deleted the dudes order, and 86'd him from his mailing lists.

I hope the Stomper dudes do the same to you.

At least give the vendors a chance to prove themselves people. If you don't find value in the product, fine, cancel.

But going into the deal knowing you are going to cancel is total duetschbag maneuver.

Why? They were offering a FREE DVD right?
So I signed up for a free DVD

If their magazine is of any value - I might keep the subscription... You never know.

When I first signed up to WA - it was only to get the BONUS and I was gonna cancel the WA that same month... well I've been a member for 10 months now - I like the value.
We'll see what these guys have to offer... But if it's the same info you find on Warriors, WA, DP and blogs - then why keep it?

p.s. here is what Frank said:

"All I know is:

1. This is a free offer.

2. It's probably very, very good."

lol... so I signed up for that FREE offer. Nothing more.

[Jason Moffatt]

Originally Posted by kiev

Why? They were offering a FREE DVD right?
So I signed up for a free DVD

If their magazine is of any value - I might keep the subscription... You never know.

When I first signed up to WA - it was only to get the BONUS and I was gonna cancel the WA that same month... well I've been a member for 10 months now - I like the value.
We'll see what these huys have to offer... But if it's the same info you find on Warriors, WA, DP and blogs - then why keep it?

Bull**** dude.

Just look at your post.

"Copy/paste (save in a document on my PC) the CANCELLATION info - to cancel the monthly 39$ subscription as soon as I got the DVD's ...

Simple."


That says it all right there.

I should email those dudes and tell them to send you nothing.

[Alex Sol]

Originally Posted by Jason Moffatt

Bull**** dude.

Just look at your post.

"Copy/paste (save in a document on my PC) the CANCELLATION info - to cancel the monthly 39$ subscription as soon as I got the DVD's ...

Simple."


That says it all right there.

I should email those dudes and tell them to send you nothing.

Don't get me wrong. This is my intention for every "FREE" product I get. Sometimes the value is so great - I keep it. and 40$/months is nothing... however 90% of the time you get total B.S. ... This is why every time I sign up - I start with a pessimistic mood. As I said it was the same for WA... If their magazine is of any value - I will most likely keep it.

But if it is B.S. - I actually do hope they won't send anything, less problems for me.

[Scott Ames]

When they first offered it I was braced for a free offer with an $800 a month continuity. When I saw it was only $39 I jumped in and plan on keeping it. I even bought an upsell.

I think its an excellent deal.

[Jason Moffatt]

Piss off Dave.

I'm glad the dude took the free offer.

It was the intent of blatantly ripping these guys off with no intention of giving them a chance to prove their stuff was worthy that I had a problem with.

He said it himself, not me.

So get yo stuff straight dude and quit trying to misconstrue my words.

Oh, and guess why I actually have a "kissup brigade" dude?

Might be a bit of validity to why so many hundreds of people stick up for me, just like I do for my friends.

[Jason Moffatt]

Sorry for the "Sailor Tongue" all.

Funny thing is, I'm in a really good mood today.

[Alex Sol]

Originally Posted by Jason Moffatt

Piss off Dave.

I'm glad the dude took the free offer.

It was the intent of blatantly ripping these guys off with no intention of giving them a chance to prove their stuff was worthy that I had a problem with.

He said it himself, not me.

So get yo stuff straight dude and quit trying to misconstrue my words.

Oh, and guess why I actually have a "kissup brigade" dude?

Might be a bit of validity to why so many hundreds of people stick up for me, just like I do for my friends.

Wow, man.
Calm down. Yes, I said I will cancel - because I do cancel 90% of the time. I will give them a chance, of course, I just hope it's not some re-hashed info that I stumble across on daily bases anyways... You can't tell me how good it is, or bad. You don't know what I find good content or bad content... Let's just wait and see.

[Jason Moffatt]

Originally Posted by kiev

Wow, man.
Calm down. Yes, I said I will cancel - because I do cancel 90% of the time. I will give them a chance, of course, I just hope it's not some re-hashed info that I stumble across on daily bases anyways... You can't tell me how good it is, or bad. You don't know what I find good content or bad content... Let's just wait and see.

Yeah dude, I'm sorry.

But it's just appalling the gutterball attitude that many marketers have. Sorta gets the blood boiling.

And I tend to type with emotion. I need to stop. I tell myself everyday.... "don't go post there, just stay away".

But it's like crack!

[Alex Sol]

Regardless... I will keep the same attitude every time I order. I hope you understand and I hope you agree that 90% of the stuff is total junk... After optin in for many "crap offers" - you become very sceptical...

I am trying to promote my own poroduct - most of the IM'ers know EVERYTHING that is in my course - this is why I market it to NEWBIES... and even then, sometime I get random sales, and a refund request within 5 minutes... Dude, that's HOURS of videos watched in 5 minutes...??? But anyways... it's a part of the game, and we all play it.

[Jason Moffatt]

Originally Posted by kiev

Regardless... I will keep the same attitude every time I order. I hope you understand and I hope you agree that 90% of the stuff is total junk... After optin in for many "crap offers" - you become very sceptical...

I am trying to promote my own poroduct - most of the IM'ers know EVERYTHING that is in my course - this is why I market it to NEWBIES... and even then, sometime I get random sales, and a refund request within 5 minutes... Dude, that's HOURS of videos watched in 5 minutes...??? But anyways... it's a part of the game, and we all play it.

I agree it is part of the game.

But so are "BLACKLISTS".

And don't think for one moment that smart vendors don't keep tabs on exactly who displays this type of behavior. I'd tell you more, but I'm not sure I'm suppose to.

I'm not sure if Stomper keeps a BlackList, but they'd be wise to.

[giveusallfreedom]

If you don't want people to cancel the membership after getting your free gift, then don't give a free gift. Is this so hard???

I just watched Filsaime's bonus video from the Kern launch and he talks about how he set up a free gift for "VIPs" that bought his product on an autoresponder. The thing is anyone could have sent an email to the autoresponder and got the free gift even if they didn't buy the product. You know what he said?

"Who cares. They shouldn't be putting that energy out into the universe, but whatever." (That's not an exact quote, but really close.)

This is the second promotion like this that I've considered. Kern's was the first. I joined Kern's with every intention of cancelling, but some Warriors here talked me into at least checking it out because his stuff is supposed to be that great.

This promotion though, I said the same thing as some of the other posters. I got to page 2 of 2 and said never mind. I didn't sign up and the product costs like $220 less than Kern's.

[Lance K]

The ones who cancel after just receiving the free gift aren't the ones to spend your energy on.

[tradermike2008]

I bought it, but was annoyed not with the upsale but the delay. John Reese did the same thing. He delayed his launch for a few hours. I think its a ploy and makes me think they are pullnig a trick.

With the stompernet notice when they said they were delaying they had an opt-in box for you to put your email in so they would notify you when it was live. So they were collecting opt-ins from the affiliates off of people going to the sales page.

I think it was a ploy to collect emails and make people think there was some sense of urgency. They first said the servers were down, but if they were down the site wouldn't load up. Then they changed it so something wrong with their order processing - but you would think they would have tested that.

It is hard to believe and so was the Reese thing. Annoying, but whatever. I bought it, will subscribe to it and test it out for awhile. But makes me not feel a reciprocity deal or something that I think is an appeal for doing a "free stuff" type deal.

[Bearded]

Think about it this way.

They're giving away MASSIVE value for free.

That's going to attract a LOT of freebie seekers who have no intention of sticking.

The fact that the upsells scare off some people is a GOOD thing for them.

It weeds out the non-customers.

The people who do stick around are good candidates for future promotions.

Joe

[Carlsbadd]

Originally Posted by marxwarfor

I have NEVER been so unimpressed with so many upsells in my life!!

i love these guys, as I really believe that they know what they are talking about, but when i had to click through what seemed liked 3, 4, 5 times just to complete my order, that's when I said - ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!

You want to upsell?? Fine no worries, I understand the biz, but please don't bombard me with these offers that cause me to lose respect in what you claim to be, such upstanding young gentlemen that are so forthright.

I will still keep myself on their email list, because they are indeed good at what they do, it's just I have less respect for them after this whole fiasco with this seemingly never-ending upsell. God I hate pushy people!!

I agree, screen after screen, enough already. If I was so interested in getting the free program for just the shipping do ya really think I am gonna shell out more money ??

all in all I can't complain though, that's a killer price for that program.

[jjpmarketing]

I have to say this... I never respond kindly to upsells. I believe it is shameful way to sell products. If you want to sell me something don't use scarcity tactics or any other bull**** methods like that. Just offer solid value and content, and I will pay what it is worth.

If you offer something like dvd's for free + shipping. I will probably take you up on that offer. I will look at your upsells, but I will probably be less inclined to purchase, just because it is an upsell. I for one hate GoDaddy's constant sales pitch.

Makes me think of a car dealership. Trying to sell me this, that and something else along with a car. I just want to buy a damn car. I don't want all of that other crap. If I did... I would ask for it.

But at the same time, I don't get annoyed by it... I just never buy into it when it gets thrown at me.

Traffic Secrets 2.0 is a perfect example. A lot of value and a reasonable price. No need to throw a bunch of upsales at the customer. Just offer a good product at a good price. That's it.

[Bob Monie]

Did any of your guys have a problem with ordering, stupid order form keeps telling me my subscription was unsuccessful and to check my card number, iv typed iv filled the darn form out 30 times now and nothing will work. I know for sure my card number is right, rang my bank and everything is in order there aswell.

What was the display page after the order processed, all i got was a stompervision page with no content and stompernet written in the middle of it. No emails saying i was successful either.

Im so frusterated with it and il be soooo devo if i dont get it.
aaaahhhhh

[Jenn Dize]

Originally Posted by Bob Monie

Did any of your guys have a problem with ordering, stupid order form keeps telling me my subscription was unsuccessful and to check my card number, iv typed iv filled the darn form out 30 times now and nothing will work. I know for sure my card number is right, rang my bank and everything is in order there aswell.

What was the display page after the order processed, all i got was a stompervision page with no content and stompernet written in the middle of it. No emails saying i was successful either.

Im so frusterated with it and il be soooo devo if i dont get it.
aaaahhhhh

Hey, this happened to me last night. It turned out that my order hadn't gone through. I tried it again and it worked! You should be taken through some upsell pages and then on to confirmation. An e-mail confirm should arrive soon after.

If you try it again and it still doesn't work you should give them a call. Word is (via Lynn Terry's excellent coverage of it at Stomping the Search Engines 2 (FAQ) ) that they have several full time staffers answering calls to field order problems.

Good luck!

[jjpmarketing]

If the cc number is correct... You should also check to make certain you know exactly what the billing address is on file with your cc company. Also make certain you have cvv2 number correct.

These are usually the 2 main culprits for causing an order to get rejected.

[Lance K]

Originally Posted by jjpmarketing

Traffic Secrets 2.0 is a perfect example. A lot of value and a reasonable price. No need to throw a bunch of upsales at the customer. Just offer a good product at a good price. That's it.

And that's where John Reese is brilliant. Rather than get defensive and accuse marketers of whining for being marketed to, he realizes that his market is hip to tactis that non IM markets haven't really been exposed to. And they know why they're being used. That's a lot to overcome. You had better bring your A game. But when a guy like John Reese decides that it's better left alone, that tells me something about how in tune he is with his target market.

Irresistable offers are the cat's meow. But stack too many of them on top of each other and "irresistable" transforms into "unbelievable". Unbelievable offers create confusion and a confused prospect never buys.

I'm not saying it can't be done. But with every passing promotion it becomes a more delicate situation when doing it in the IM market.