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Hi all

has anyone else noticed the Icons have changed ? dunno used like the flames and the pad lock anyway ,thought i would see If this just a test or now they are going to be like this from now on because i vote NO

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  • Profile picture of the author Katie Rich
    I think this layout is here to stay RW, like it or not.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve B
      I preferred the previous icons as well. More troubling to me, however, is the fact that they don't work properly. I have posted in threads where my posts aren't recognized by the changed icon.

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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

        I preferred the previous icons as well. More troubling to me, however, is the fact that they don't work properly. I have posted in threads where my posts aren't recognized by the changed icon.

        Steve
        This is absolutely the WORST problem and needs to be addressed ASAP. I have no idea what threads I have posted to.

        This is frustrating on 2 levels that I can think of right off the top of my head.

        1) Can't see if somebody has posted a reply to a thread that you've posted in, possibly even to your post specifically.

        2) Can't tell, if in going through the list of threads and seeing one that interests you that maybe you'd like to respond to, especially if you have something useful to offer as far as advice, if it's a thread you've ALREADY REPLIED TO.

        Imagine taking the time to lay out a carefully worded and lengthy response just to later find out YOU'VE ALREADY RESPONDED.

        And no, you're not going to remember EVERY thread you've posted to, especially when you have over 17,000 posts.

        This problem will eventually lead to frustration and some people simply not returning to the forum to participate because navigation has become a nightmare.

        Again, this problem needs to be fixed ASAP.

        Anything else about this forum that might be a little annoying is not important. If you can't find your posts, that is a problem, period.

        Please, please, please, please, SOMEBODY get on this and FIX THIS.
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  • Profile picture of the author laurencewins
    I am getting fed up with the fact that there are copious threads about all the problems the new management have created and they don't seem to reply or do anything.
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    • Profile picture of the author David Keith
      Originally Posted by laurencewins View Post

      I am getting fed up with the fact that there are copious threads about all the problems the new management have created and they don't seem to reply or do anything.
      The days of WF "main forum" being the big deal at WF have been gone for a few years now. The truth is they bought the wso marketplace, not the forum....meaning thats whay they paid for...thats where the money is.

      a second truth is that the wso section was created for WF members who participated in the forum part of WF. Again, those days have been long gone for a few years. The WSO section gets relatively little traffic from WF "the forum"...its all affiliate driven now.

      So WF "the business" is really probably 80+% the wso section which really doesnt even need WF "the forum" to survive much less thrive.

      When you look at things through that lens you begin to understand why they are not super responsive to WF "the forum"

      but i agree, not knowing which threads i have commented on is by far my biggest issue with the change.
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      • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
        Originally Posted by David Keith View Post

        The days of WF "main forum" being the big deal at WF have been gone for a few years now. The truth is they bought the wso marketplace, not the forum....meaning thats whay they paid for...thats where the money is.

        a second truth is that the wso section was created for WF members who participated in the forum part of WF. Again, those days have been long gone for a few years. The WSO section gets relatively little traffic from WF "the forum"...its all affiliate driven now.

        So WF "the business" is really probably 80+% the wso section which really doesnt even need WF "the forum" to survive much less thrive.

        When you look at things through that lens you begin to understand why they are not super responsive to WF "the forum"

        but i agree, not knowing which threads i have commented on is by far my biggest issue with the change.
        I've made several similar posts in the last couple of years. Allen was well aware that the Warrior Forum started as a robust forum with a small marketplace. I think he turned the corner in '08-'09 when affiliates converged on the WSO forum. In a short time Warrior forum became a major marketplace and a minor forum.

        I believe the main forum has suffered a lot with the transition. When I first showed up the place was loaded with seasoned marketers that actually walked the talk. Tons of great info was exchanged every day. There was a lot of peer pressure on a new member that posted something that had been covered numerous times. "Use the search feature" was the phrase of the day.

        But as the forum morphed into a marketplace I believe Allen lightened up and allowed the newbie tsunami to do whatever. After all, don't want to upset the paying (or potentially paying) customers by suggesting they become a little self sufficient. Consequently we have an endless number of threads asking the same questions over and over. Lots of that stuff could be answered with a simple Google or Bing search. And then there are the "what would you do with $100" threads and "how do I make $8K by Friday" and all the rest of the bandwidth sucking nonsense.

        I mentioned in a thread similar to this one that my own participation is down because I can't tell where I've posted. I'd really like to see this board return to serious marketing discussions and move away from being a nursery school. I doubt that will happen though. Maybe the solution is for serious marketers with something to offer to open independent paid membership forums, though I'm not sure that option is still available. Time changes everything.
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      Originally Posted by laurencewins View Post

      I am getting fed up with the fact that there are copious threads about all the problems the new management have created and they don't seem to reply or do anything.
      New management? Did Allen sell this site? If so, sorry I am late to the party!
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        I'm color blind so the different color titles don't help me. They all look the same to me.
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        • Profile picture of the author RobinInTexas
          Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

          I'm color blind so the different color titles don't help me. They all look the same to me.


          Originally Posted by PuraVidaProfits View Post

          I'm colorblind & had no idea the colors were different. I guess i'm screwed
          I'm not colorblind and I can barely tell the difference, no less keep track of which is what.
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          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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            Originally Posted by RobinInTexas View Post

            I'm not colorblind and I can barely tell the difference, no less keep track of which is what.
            I'm not colorblind either and barely notice any color changes in the text and that would not be a helpful way of marking threads that you are participating in.
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      • Profile picture of the author waterotter
        Originally Posted by Lurk View Post

        New management? Did Allen sell this site? If so, sorry I am late to the party!
        You can read about it here: http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...om-family.html
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    Yes please fix this asap
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    David,

    I agree with most of your comments on the changes. Like them or not, that's the new reality.

    On the icon topic... It's easy to tell which threads you've posted in. The title is a different blue.


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    • Profile picture of the author Steve B
      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      On the icon topic... It's easy to tell which threads you've posted in. The title is a different blue.
      I see two different colors of blue, one is more blue and purple and the other is more blue and green.

      I thought the blue-purple was threads I posted to and the blue-green was threads I had not posted on.

      After testing this assumption, I have found it to be NOT true. There are blue-purple threads that I have not posted to. The reverse is not true as well.

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      • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        David,

        On the icon topic... It's easy to tell which threads you've posted in. The title is a different blue.

        Paul
        Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

        I see two different colors of blue, one is more blue and purple and the other is more blue and green.

        I thought the blue-purple was threads I posted to and the blue-green was threads I had not posted on.

        After testing this assumption, I have found it to be NOT true. There are blue-purple threads that I have not posted to. The reverse is not true as well.

        Steve
        I believe Steve is correct...

        It appears as if the different colored title system is not even close to being accurate on my account it it's purpose is to ID threads that I have posted on.

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    • Profile picture of the author David Keith
      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      David,

      I agree with most of your comments on the changes. Like them or not, that's the new reality.

      On the icon topic... It's easy to tell which threads you've posted in. The title is a different blue.


      Paul
      Paul, I think the slightly different colors are for "read" and "un-read" threads. Not which threads i have posted in.

      But the colors are so damn close i didnt even notice they were different until you mentioned this and i had a hard look.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    On the icon topic... It's easy to tell which threads you've posted in. The title is a different blue.
    If you open the thread, the link changes to the "visited link" color. You can see the threads you've read but not which ones you've posted to.
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  • Profile picture of the author waterotter
    On the icon topic... It's easy to tell which threads you've posted in. The title is a different blue.
    For myself, the different blue only indicates the threads I've read - not the ones I've posted in.
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    • Profile picture of the author Martin Avis
      I completely agree about the icons. In addition I regret the passing of the icon we could click to take us to the first unread post of a thread. Now we have to start at post #1 every time (unless I have missed something).
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      • Profile picture of the author waterotter
        Originally Posted by Martin Avis View Post

        I completely agree about the icons. In addition I regret the passing of the icon we could click to take us to the first unread post of a thread. Now we have to start at post #1 every time (unless I have missed something).
        Just above the OP, there is a big black button that says "View First Unread".

        Unfortunately, I think there may be a glitch with it as it doesn't always work accordingly.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          If the reality is that the new owners essentially bought the WSO forum, then I don't expect too much is going to change here, which is a shame. This forum used to be more about the interaction between the members and the exchange of ideas.

          I guess those ideals just aren't profitable anymore.
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            I'm colorblind & had no idea the colors were different. I guess i'm screwed
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        • Profile picture of the author Alaister
          Originally Posted by waterotter View Post

          Just above the OP, there is a big black button that says "View First Unread".

          Unfortunately, I think there may be a glitch with it as it doesn't always work accordingly.
          That button seems to work fine. What happens when you click it?
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          • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
            Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

            There is an arrow head next to the latest thread which will take you directly to the most recent post.
            Alaister, do you mean the right-pointing arrow next to the name of the last person to post in a thread? If so, that just takes you to the last post in the thread. I don't see any other arrow heads in the list of thread titles.

            There used to be an arrow to the left of the thread title that you could click to go to the first new post. If there were no new posts the arrow wouldn't be there. This was probably the single most-used feature for many of us.

            Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

            That button seems to work fine. What happens when you click it?
            It works for me, but it means two-clicks to get to the first new post instead of one. And if the thread has multiple pages, it means waiting for an extra page to load.
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          • Profile picture of the author waterotter
            Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

            That button seems to work fine. What happens when you click it?
            I just came to this thread. Every post was marked as being read, yet I hadn't read all the posts.

            Other threads that I view don't always mark the posts as being read.

            Another issue is the "attached thumbnails". When clicking on them, we are redirected to another page requesting us to sign in. This makes no sense as we are already logged in. We should be able to view the attachment by just clicking on it!

            Some members who tried to log back in had a problem with their password being rejected.
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  • Profile picture of the author bwh1
    The new icons totally suck.

    No idea what they are in fact (a talk bubble or what?) and you can't see in which thread you posted, visited.

    The link to "last post" is so tiny you need some glasses to see it.

    But I guess we have to get used to it as the owners disappeared when it comes to discuss design questions.

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    • Profile picture of the author Alaister
      Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

      1) Can't see if somebody has posted a reply to a thread that you've posted in, possibly even to your post specifically.

      2) Can't tell, if in going through the list of threads and seeing one that interests you that maybe you'd like to respond to, especially if you have something useful to offer as far as advice, if it's a thread you've ALREADY REPLIED TO.
      Hi Steven,

      Firstly congratulations on 17,000 posts. That is a huge feat.
      1) How could you see this in the past? Was it because of a different icon?

      2) With this point, could you tell in the past because of the different icons also?
      I'll take a look at the setup of icons and see if we have mixed some things up.

      We basically replaced icons with new ones so the behaviour shouldn't have changed.


      Originally Posted by Martin Avis View Post

      I completely agree about the icons. In addition I regret the passing of the icon we could click to take us to the first unread post of a thread. Now we have to start at post #1 every time (unless I have missed something).
      There is an arrow head next to the latest thread which will take you directly to the most recent post.
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      • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
        Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

        We basically replaced icons with new ones so the behaviour shouldn't have changed.
        It did.

        If I reply to a thread I see a star BUT if it's a hot thread, it shows a flame - no star.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alaister
          Originally Posted by GarrieWilson View Post

          It did.

          If I reply to a thread I see a star BUT if it's a hot thread, it shows a flame - no star.
          What did it show before?
          A flame and a star or did the star overwrite the flame?
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

        Hi Steven,

        Firstly congratulations on 17,000 posts. That is a huge feat.
        1) How could you see this in the past? Was it because of a different icon?

        2) With this point, could you tell in the past because of the different icons also?
        I'll take a look at the setup of icons and see if we have mixed some things up.

        We basically replaced icons with new ones so the behaviour shouldn't have changed.




        There is an arrow head next to the latest thread which will take you directly to the most recent post.
        I can't find an old cached photo of the original forum as that would make it a lot easier to explain.

        The difference is, the designation for a thread that you responded to was placed around the icon, not inside of it. Kind of like an outline. To me, it looked like a thick box with like a dagger going through it.

        In this new system, the star gets overwritten in every condition except if the thread hasn't had any new replies since you were last to it. But once a reply is made, the star gets overwritten regardless of whether the thread is hot or not.

        In short, the star doesn't work. What used to work was around the icon, mostly, so there was no way to overwrite it.

        If I can find a photo, I'll post it but so far I'm not having any luck.

        ** EDIT ** For a hot thread, the star doesn't show up even if you just went to it and nobody else has been to it since. The flame overwrites the stat as well. A system needs to be put in place where the icon has a big thick outline around it so you can tell the thread is one you've responded to. That way it will show up for old threads, new threads and hot threads.
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        Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

        Hi Steven,

        Firstly congratulations on 17,000 posts. That is a huge feat.
        1) How could you see this in the past? Was it because of a different icon?

        2) With this point, could you tell in the past because of the different icons also?
        I'll take a look at the setup of icons and see if we have mixed some things up.

        We basically replaced icons with new ones so the behaviour shouldn't have changed
        You have an icon with a star on it to depict a thread that is NOT hot that you have participated in. It shows up gray for me and is not very noticeable
        You have an icon for showing a hot thread
        You don't have an icon showing a hot thread that you are participating in
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      • Profile picture of the author RobinInTexas
        Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

        Hi Steven,

        Firstly congratulations on 17,000 posts. That is a huge feat.
        1) How could you see this in the past? Was it because of a different icon?

        2) With this point, could you tell in the past because of the different icons also?
        I'll take a look at the setup of icons and see if we have mixed some things up.

        We basically replaced icons with new ones so the behaviour shouldn't have changed.


        There is an arrow head next to the latest thread which will take you directly to the most recent post.
        IMHO the difference between the new icons is so subtle that it's virtually meaningless.

        The old lock and the arrow through the folder and I don't recall what it was that showed prior participation were obviously different.
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  • Profile picture of the author dadamson
    I have probably missed so many questions and comments on my posts due to the fact that they took away the icons of threads that you participate in
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    HEY GUYS. I AM A NEW MEMBER. HOW WHERE THE OLD ICONS LIKE?
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  • Profile picture of the author datingworld
    Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

    What did it show before?
    A flame and a star or did the star overwrite the flame?
    Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

    I can't find an old cached photo of the original forum as that would make it a lot easier to explain.

    The difference is, the designation for a thread that you responded to was placed around the icon, not inside of it. Kind of like an outline. To me, it looked like a thick box with like a dagger going through it.
    I found some videos on youtube with Icon we all are referring to


    Check 3:27 of the video.
    - a thread called -
    Domain Screwed.... Need Advice

    thats the arrow / icon


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    Now check this video

    Check 6:25 of this video, Arrow pointing to the participated threads can be easily seen.



    Thats the arrow everyone is referring to which was very useful in identifying one's participated threads.
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  • Profile picture of the author Katie Rich
    Seems to be working ok now. Threads I have participated in are now greyed out.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by Katie Rich View Post

      Seems to be working ok now. Threads I have participated in are now greyed out.
      They're grayed out because nobody has responded since. If you look at the thread "What To Do If You're Desperate" started by Paul Myers, it has the flame and is not grayed out but it is a thread I replied to once. There is no visible way I can tell I replied to the thread unless I mouse over the icon and it shows I have 1 post.

      Once a new reply it made to that grayed out thread of yours, it won't be gray anymore and you won't be able to visibly tell you responded to it.

      ** EDIT ** NOTE TO ADMIN - If you go to the 6:30 mark of the video posted, you can see the old icon for threads that were participated in. They stick out like a sore thumb and are extremely easy to spot. Please put something like that back in place or just go back to the old icons period. Why do we as a people constantly insist on fixing things that are NOT broken?
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      • Profile picture of the author Katie Rich
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        They're grayed out because nobody has responded since. If you look at the thread "What To Do If You're Desperate" started by Paul Myers, it has the flame and is not grayed out but it is a thread I replied to once. There is no visible way I can tell I replied to the thread unless I mouse over the icon and it shows I have 1 post.

        Once a new reply it made to that grayed out thread of yours, it won't be gray anymore and you won't be able to visibly tell you responded to it.
        Ah! Not very helpful then, but even the greyed out icon is more than I had yesterday. As for colour change, I can barely see any difference, it's too subtle.
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  • Profile picture of the author seobro
    Fix it till it's broke says me. That way we will miss the old forum even more. For example, do not add functionality, but take some away. BTW, there is one mean SQL error; it keeps on popping up. Do you have any idea what that is?
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  • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
    Hmmmm seem to have kicked a hornets nets on this one , but still if aint broke don't stuff it up.
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    • Profile picture of the author David Keith
      Originally Posted by Regional Warrior View Post

      Hmmmm seem to have kicked a hornets nets on this one , but still if aint broke don't stuff it up.
      kicking a hornets nest is often followed by a swift change in direction . In this case, i think many of us feel would certainly be welcomed.

      We absolutely need to be able to see which posts we have read and commented on at a glance...without using some color matching tool to see if the forum titles are different colors or not.
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    • Profile picture of the author RobinInTexas
      Originally Posted by Regional Warrior View Post

      Hmmmm seem to have kicked a hornets nets on this one , but still if aint broke don't stuff it up.
      But it is broke , although we are no longer having to but up with regular server timeouts
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      • Profile picture of the author Cali16
        I certainly agree with the many complaints here about the new icons. I do hope the new owners either replace them with the old ones, which worked very well, or find new ones that truly serve their intended purpose.

        In fairness to the new owners, however, I highly doubt changing the old icons was intended to "fix" something (that wasn't broken). This is their site, and of course they wanted to make some changes to make it their own and give it a new look (frustrating to us, perhaps). That's no different than buying a house in perfect condition, but deciding to remodel the kitchen or paint the exterior a new color - not to "fix" it, but just to update it or change it to suit your personal preferences.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

          I certainly agree with the many complaints here about the new icons. I do hope the new owners either replace them with the old ones, which worked very well, or find new ones that truly serve their intended purpose.

          In fairness to the new owners, however, I highly doubt changing the old icons was intended to "fix" something (that wasn't broken). This is their site, and of course they wanted to make some changes to make it their own and give it a new look (frustrating to us, perhaps). That's no different than buying a house in perfect condition, but deciding to remodel the kitchen or paint the exterior a new color - not to "fix" it, but just to update it or change it to suit your personal preferences.
          That's all well and good. And yes, it's their site and they can do whatever they want with their kitchen.

          But if they paint it day glow blue and it pisses off their visitors, their visitors will stop coming and go someplace else.

          So yeah, if you don't care about having company over for dinner you can do whatever the heck you want. But if you don't want to eat alone every night you might want to think about getting rid of the day glow blue.
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          • Profile picture of the author Cali16
            Steve, I hear what you're saying and I AGREE with you. My point was just that I don't think they were trying to fix something, per se. (I was merely trying to present another perspective.) But, like you said, some of the changes they've made ARE alienating many members, and hopefully they will take that seriously.

            Sadly, though, I think David Keith's post above hit the nail on the head, and the only thing they're really interested in is the WSO section. That's where the money is (and the War Room to a lesser degree). However, I think it will lose much of its value over time if they neglect the rest of the forum.
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          • Profile picture of the author RobinInTexas
            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

            That's all well and good. And yes, it's their site and they can do whatever they want with their kitchen.

            But if they paint it day glow blue and it pisses off their visitors, their visitors will stop coming and go someplace else.

            So yeah, if you don't care about having company over for dinner you can do whatever the heck you want. But if you don't want to eat alone every night you might want to think about getting rid of the day glow blue.
            I guess different shades of blue are their favorite color, and those of us who are not paying the $20 per shot to sell ads don't count for anything. Kinda like wallyworld where the almighty dollar is the only thing that counts. They're a big company now and the bigness seems to be attracting lots of new people who probably will grab their credit cards or paypal account to buy things here.

            I took a look at the website design forum and saw a simple question answered, by a couple of veteran warriors, and a dozen people who signed up within the last 6 months who responded with silly incorrect suggestions or nonsense one-liners. But they're getting what they want which is page views.
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            ...Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just set there.
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    It will be perfect if it shows a different icon (different color, a small arrow in bubble..etc. ) if I have a post in that thread. I find myself forgetting in which post I asked a question or reply someone.
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  • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
    Does anyone know why some of the icons on the main forum as there are some in red and some in blue, Did they not all be red on the old forum?
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    • Profile picture of the author datingworld
      Originally Posted by Regional Warrior View Post

      Does anyone know why some of the icons on the main forum as there are some in red and some in blue, Did they not all be red on the old forum?
      at the moment, these icons are so confusing as I think not many of us understand what are these about. I hope the old ones or easy to understand icons are put in place.
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