Article on site or EZA first ?

[Shane Hale]

I say on EZA and send them to your site on resource box. Google frowns on duplicate content. IMHO

[gianne2705]

Perfect answer Jay!We may have different ways on how to get things successful but it is the best answer to do with this situation.

[spycraft]

I always thought that you can't put the articles from your site on EZA... Guess I am wrong

[TheRichJerksNet]

Originally Posted by digidoodles
I love him more

And Keith TOTALLY ROCKS TOO!

Thank you guys!!

Warmly,

Brandi

Wow I am loved twice in one thread ...lol

Originally Posted by Shane Hale
I say on EZA and send them to your site on resource box. Google frowns on duplicate content. IMHO

Shane, duplicate content is a myth .. This does not apply here...

James

[Shane Hale]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Wow I am loved twice in one thread ...lol



Shane, duplicate content is a myth .. This does not apply here...

James

Cool I was thinking they did. I guess I have been watching too much Stompernet lol Thanks!

[Keith Kogane]

Originally Posted by Shane Hale

Cool I was thinking they did. I guess I have been watching too much Stompernet lol Thanks!

The duplicate content StomperNet is concerned with is when you have an ecommerce site with lots of the same content on your category pages and product pages, you want your product pages to rank, not the category pages. Unfortunately, categories tend to get more links, so they tend to rank first unless you're careful with SEO. Because you have duplicates of the same content on your own site, and the one you DON'T want is the one that's showing, you're getting a "duplicate content penalty" - make sense?

At least that's the way I understand it.

As for the same content on more than one site, Google will index every copy it finds, it just won't show them all as results for the same search term, because that wouldn't be too useful for people. The trick to outranking article directories' copies of articles is to have your own site pretty tightly focused as far as your keywords and linking. Visitors tend to like it if the content actually matches that theme too, but it's not as important as the linking is.

Again, just my opinion based on personal experience.

[JayXtreme]

Originally Posted by TinkerAndPo

God damn I love this forum. I think I love you, too.

Thank you.. it's always nice to be loved

Peace

Jay

[Talinn]

Hi, the near consensus in this thread is to post on your site first as I see, and fundamentally it's right (as your own site should benefit from your own content first)

I'm a newbie who is yet to make a penny, but I'll go the other way and I'm going to tell you the "logical" reasons behind it. Posting an article on EZA might have two uses:

1. EZA's high ranking in Google might put your article on the first page of Google, so this means eventually higher traffic to your site.

2. The backlink with the anchor text from EZA will help your site's SERPs.

Well, the point is, if you put the article on your site first and EZA after that, the EZA article will be marked as duplicate content. This is not a negative thing and you'll not get penalized by this by Google, but duplicate content's SEO value is much lower than original content. So by putting it to your site first, you are making your EZA article of low SEO quality, which results in:

1. Your EZA article being harder to rank among other articles in EZA and harder to bring you traffic.

2. The backlink juice you're going to get from your EZA article is going to be minimal, as it is duplicate content.

You're welcome to kick me in the ass and negate my points I'm just writing what I think to be true.

[Michael Motley]

I have always posted the full article to my site, then submitted the exact same article to eza and not had a problem

'dupe content' doesnt mean what you think it does.

When eza says 'dupe content' they mean is your article the same as one they already have or the same as another internet site (not yours)

When people talk about google and 'dupe content', that references posting the same article over and over on your own site.

So there shouldnt be an issue posting to your own site then to eza

[Allen Graves]

Originally Posted by Talinn

...if you put the article on your site first and EZA after that, the EZA article will be marked as duplicate content. This is not a negative thing and you'll not get penalized by this by Google, but duplicate content's SEO value is much lower than original content. So by putting it to your site first, you are making your EZA article of low SEO quality...

Do you work for Google? If so, keep the suggestions coming.

If not, then how on Earth can you make this assumption...especially being a self-proclaimed newbie?

Just wondering...

Allen

[Talinn]

Yes, of course there's going to be no issue, but the SEO value of that duplicate content you send to EZA is going to be very low and it's going to have hard time ranking among other similar articles, and the backlink juice it will give to your site will be minimal.

[Allen Graves]

Originally Posted by Talinn

Yes, of course there's going to be no issue, but the SEO value of that duplicate content you send to EZA is going to be very low and it's going to have hard time ranking among other similar articles, and the backlink juice it will give to your site will be minimal.

How the heck do you know that?

I will have to respectfully disagree based on my own views.

Allen

[Talinn]

Originally Posted by Allen Graves

Do you work for Google? If so, keep the suggestions coming.

If not, then how on Earth can you make this assumption...especially being a self-proclaimed newbie?

Just wondering...

Allen

It is just logical thinking. Do you think, in the eyes of Google, duplicate content is as valuable as original content? No "penalties" yes, but no big bonuses either. If duplicate content's value in the eyes of Google is the same as original content, then I might as well build an "authority" site in any niche you can imagine in a matter of minutes, just collecting from the hundreds of thousands of available free articles on the Internet - EZA, GoArticles, etc.

I don't have to work for Google or be a SEO expert to guess that duplicate content is of low value to Google.

[Allen Graves]

The content - yes...that's fair. In fact, that's why there's a secondary index.

But you don't know which page Google is going to choose as the indexed one and secondly, I was referring to the backlinks within the content...not the content itself.

How can you know that a backlink from GoArticles is any less effective for SEO than a backlink from EZA, or Digg, or HubPages or any other web page using the same article? If you say you know, I'd have to say you were guessing...which is what my whole problem is in the first place.

Oh God I feel a rant coming...

I sit down and study the search engines for HOURS every day. It's my job...it's what I do for a living. If you could come sit next to me for just a few minutes, I could show you some theories and ideas that would blow your mind! (Don't worry, no WSO coming)

Whenever I make a statement concerning article marketing or SEO or affiliate marketing or the search engines, it comes from a massive amount of raw data and actual research, study and testing.

Then when someone makes a statement that could harm someone else's business based on a guess or an obvious hijacking of the thread to sell their own stuff, or those who just talk crap in circles to hear themselves, well...it gets to me. I hate it because I am actually doing the footwork.

Common sense is far from the norm when it comes to Google - and when it comes to their rankings. Sure there are some proven factors that help you in the SERPS, but again, most of what people are saying here about the search engines is nothing but an assuption based on coincidental evidence or something that they "proved" by doing it with one or two web pages...and then taking it to the extreme while others listen, do and eventual fail.

This is not directed to an individual. It's directed to those who think it is directed at them!

I don't want to sound like some bully, know-it-all goober. But I do want people to know that not everyone is here with "helping others" on their to do list.

OK, I'll shut up now and dang do I feel better, thanks for listening.

I have to quit this thread now before I get in trouble.

AL

[Michael Motley]

Originally Posted by Talinn

Yes, of course there's going to be no issue, but the SEO value of that duplicate content you send to EZA is going to be very low and it's going to have hard time ranking among other similar articles, and the backlink juice it will give to your site will be minimal.

I think this is incorrect. Duplicate content as it is relevant to google references duplicate content on your site because it makes google try to index the same site for the same article two different times. If duplicate content worked the way you are saying it does, places like drudge report or any other site that does things like rss feeds would be destroyed in a week as far as google and rankings go

[Talinn]

Well, if you put your article first on your site and as EZA is going to take at least 2 days to approve your article; Google will certainly have indexed your site by then and will mark your EZA article as duplicate content.

If the articles were submitted to the other sites you mentioned at the same time, I don't know what the result would be. But if they were submitted to your own site first, they would all be duplicate content.

I don't know how for example GoA compares to EZA in terms of backlinking, to be honest. But I can guess that the value of the backlink is very dependant on what Google thinks of that particular page. If Google ranks that page low (due to any reason, duplicate content might be one) the backlinks from that page will be of lower quality. I don't think you're saying every backlink is worth the same to Google, right?

[gjedda63]

The last weeks I have submitted my articles to my site first,then after indexing I have changed the title and entirely the first 100 letters and so EZA.
In this way i have full credit for unique content and full juice from Eza. The tweaked articles from Eza is all on first page in google so they cannot be considered as low value content in googles eyes.
But I build backlinks to my site content for high ranking in G for the long term. All Eza articles rank high for a week or so then fading away slowly.
My purpose for eza articles now are just the backlink value because the CTR from the Eza traffic is terrible. Organic search traffic is much better.
This is my experience the last couple of months.

[Michael Motley]

Originally Posted by Talinn

Well, if you put your article first on your site and as EZA is going to take at least 2 days to approve your article; Google will certainly have indexed your site by then and will mark your EZA article as duplicate content.

If the articles were submitted to the other sites you mentioned at the same time, I don't know what the result would be. But if they were submitted to your own site first, they would all be duplicate content.

I don't know how for example GoA compares to EZA in terms of backlinking, to be honest. But I can guess that the value of the backlink is very dependant on what Google thinks of that particular page. If Google ranks that page low (due to any reason, duplicate content might be one) the backlinks from that page will be of lower quality. I don't think you're saying every backlink is worth the same to Google, right?

This is the point i'm trying to make. Google will not mark it as duplicate content. Google doesnt care if its duplicate content unless you post it on your own site.

Ezine articles will care if that content is on another website, that isn't yours, or if its in their own database already.

People think that google gives some kind of weight to 'duplicate content' on various sites and thats not true. Their webmaster blog states that the reason people get a 'google slap' due to duplicate content is when they post it to their own website because then you have the same article, indexed to the same site, but with a different address.

[Talinn]

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

This is the point i'm trying to make. Google will not mark it as duplicate content. Google doesnt care if its duplicate content unless you post it on your own site.

Ezine articles will care if that content is on another website, that isn't yours, or if its in their own database already.

People think that google gives some kind of weight to 'duplicate content' on various sites and thats not true. Their webmaster blog states that the reason people get a 'google slap' due to duplicate content is when they post it to their own website because then you have the same article, indexed to the same site, but with a different address.

I am not talking about being slapped by Google at all. I am merely saying that the bonus you will be getting from duplicate content is not the same as what you would get from unique content. I'm not saying duplicate content results in you getting slapped etc.

[Akogo]

People believe you should put it up on EzineArticles.com first because it may rank better in Google.com especially if targeting competitive keyword phrases. Then you promote your EZA article link. If your site is new or doesn't rank as well, that's what I would do.

[TheRichJerksNet]

Originally Posted by Talinn
Well, if you put your article first on your site and as EZA is going to take at least 2 days to approve your article; Google will certainly have indexed your site by then and will mark your EZA article as duplicate content.

If the articles were submitted to the other sites you mentioned at the same time, I don't know what the result would be. But if they were submitted to your own site first, they would all be duplicate content.

I don't know how for example GoA compares to EZA in terms of backlinking, to be honest. But I can guess that the value of the backlink is very dependant on what Google thinks of that particular page. If Google ranks that page low (due to any reason, duplicate content might be one) the backlinks from that page will be of lower quality. I don't think you're saying every backlink is worth the same to Google, right?

You did not even read this entire thread did you ???

James

[Talinn]

Reading is overrated.

[TheRichJerksNet]

Originally Posted by Akogo

People believe you should put it up on EzineArticles.com first because it may rank better in Google.com especially if targeting competitive keyword phrases. Then you promote your EZA article link. If your site is new or doesn't rank as well, that's what I would do.

This is not true... People may "THINK" eza can get them ranked better but fact is that is not true because it is very easy to outrank a EZA article. It does not matter if your site is new or not.. If it is new then build it up before giving your content away to a article directory that slaps google ads all over your articles.

James

[TheRichJerksNet]

Originally Posted by Talinn

Reading is overrated.

Reading is how we learn and if you would have taken the time to read the post on the thread you would not be posting bad advice and just guessing at things...

James

[Talinn]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

This is not true... People may "THINK" eza can get them ranked better but fact is that is not true because it is very easy to outrank a EZA article. It does not matter if your site is new or not.. If it is new then build it up before giving your content away to a article directory that slaps google ads all over your articles.

James

Outranking EZA articles is not that easy especially for newer websites. That put aside (I'm not a SEO expert so maybe it is easy to outrank an EZA article), I do agree with the fact that for longer term results you will want to put it on your site first, so that YOU get credited for the unique content, not EZA.

[TheRichJerksNet]

Originally Posted by Talinn

Outranking EZA articles is not that easy especially for newer websites. That put aside (I'm not a SEO expert so maybe it is easy to outrank an EZA article), I do agree with the fact that for longer term results you will want to put it on your site first, so that YOU get credited for the unique content, not EZA.

The term "SEO Expert" is overused anyways.. I am not an SEO Expert either.. Fact is I can outrank any EZA article any day of the week. Many of my authors already know this and enjoy the benefits.

The only thing that makes EZA an authority site is people that think just what you do.. Without those authors EZA is nothing. Instead of building some other site into an authority site you should try buidling your site into an authority site.

James

[Talinn]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Reading is how we learn and if you would have taken the time to read the post on the thread you would not be posting bad advice and just guessing at things...

James

Can you please point me to the part in this thread where it says "backlinks from duplicate content are as valuable as backlinks from unique content" and "duplicate content can rank as high as unique content", with some sort of proof?

My point was, and I don't accept that it is "bad advice", if you want to post your article on EZA you might have two reasons for this - backlinks and CTR's from your high SERP EZA article. If you do it after you put it on your site, your EZA article's SERP won't be as high, and the backlinks you get from it won't be as valuable. I don't think this has been discussed before, and it's more than just "guessing things", it actually makes sense.

I'm not suggesting you should put everything you got on EZA first. I am only suggesting that the benefit you get from EZA will be lower if you don't put it on EZA first. I'm not talking about the benefits of putting your unique content to your site first at all.

[peter gibson]

Originally Posted by Talinn

Yes, of course there's going to be no issue, but the SEO value of that duplicate content you send to EZA is going to be very low and it's going to have hard time ranking among other similar articles, and the backlink juice it will give to your site will be minimal.

That is absolute nonsense.

[Talinn]

Originally Posted by peter gibson

That is absolute nonsense.

So duplicate content is as valuable as unique content?

GEEZ! Then I'm building my super authority websites about just any niche you can imagine by simply copying free articles from GoA and EZA right away! I'm going to be the king of the Internets in no time.

[TheRichJerksNet]

Originally Posted by Talinn

Can you please point me to the part in this thread where it says "backlinks from duplicate content are as valuable as backlinks from unique content" and "duplicate content can rank as high as unique content", with some sort of proof?

You are posting something as fact which is not fact that is the problem...

but the SEO value of that duplicate content you send to EZA is going to be very low and it's going to have hard time ranking among other similar articles, and the backlink juice it will give to your site will be minimal

1. This is not fact
2. You are posting it as fact

Please refrain from giving that kind of bad advice unless you do have proof.. I can certainly backup everything I say with proof and I have done so on many threads.

James

[Talinn]

I just don't believe I really need proof to say that Google puts less value on duplicate content than unique content.

[TheRichJerksNet]

Originally Posted by Talinn

I just don't believe I really need proof to say that Google puts less value on duplicate content than unique content.

If you are going to continue to post it as fact then you certainly better have proof ...

If it is just your "opinion" then state it is just your opinion.

Fact is duplicate content is a myth, it does not exist, this has already been proven on this very forum time and time again. Yes there are benefits to spinning an article and changing it from your site to other sites but to proclaim duplicate content exist and then state things as fact that are not facts, simple is not right... This is wrong and it could very well destroy another newbies business because they listen to bad advice.

James

[peter gibson]

Originally Posted by Talinn

So duplicate content is as valuable as unique content?

GEEZ! Then I'm building my super authority websites about just any niche you can imagine by simply copying free articles from GoA and EZA right away! I'm going to be the king of the Internets in no time.

1. There are people here, some whom have ansered your nonsense with reason and logic, and they know what they are on about. They walk the walk and they talk the talk. They make extremely good money. As do I. I know that what you are saying is nonsense because in my tenure I've proven it incorrect more than once.
2. Duplicate content penalties are a complete fallacy, and ranking with your own content wherever it is placed is not affected by anything - other than the amount of time you spend working quality SEO. If you SEO an article on EZA more than you optimize your own page, you will rank better with the EZA page. And vise versa.
3. Don't ever try and belittle or patronize me again.

Content has value, duplicate or not, based on the amount of visitors you point at it. Where that content lives makes no difference to the search engines, and it is neither harder nor easier to rank that content no matter where it resides. It's all in the time spent doing proper SEO work.

It can be on 1 000 000 different sites and wherever you point your visitors at, within those 1 000 000 sites, this is where you will see the most VALUE for that content.

[Talinn]

Alright, I am sorry for putting it as a fact. I still don't believe duplicate content gets as many points from Google as unique content, but I have no proof of this. I am sorry.

[Talinn]

Originally Posted by peter gibson

1. There are people here, some whom have ansered your nonsense with reason and logic, and they know what they are on about. They walk the walk and they talk the talk. They make extremely good money. As do I. I know that what you are saying is nonsense because in my tenure I've proven it incorrect more than once.
2. Duplicate content penalties are a complete fallacy, and ranking with your own content wherever it is placed is not affected by anything - other than the amount of time you spend working quality SEO. If you SEO an article on EZA more than you optimize your own page, you will rank better with the EZA page. And vise versa.
3. Don't ever try and belittle or patronize me again.

Content has value, duplicate or not, based on the amount of visitors you point at it. Where that content lives makes no difference to the search engines, and it is neither harder nor easier to rank that content no matter where it resides. It's all in the time spent doing proper SEO work.

It can be on 1 000 000 different sites and wherever you point your visitors at, within those 1 000 000 sites, this is where you will see the most VALUE for that content.

That you earn "extremely good money" doesn't mean you have the right to post something just consisting of "you are writing absolute nonsense" and expect a very nice, apologetive answer from me. I'm not belittling you, you are belittling yourself.

You are talking about something completely different. I am talking about the value Google puts in the content, not its visitor value or something. The value Google puts in a content is obviously decisive on its rankings. And I am suggesting that Google will put less value on duplicate content.

[peter gibson]

I'll say this one more time. What you said IS NONSENSE. I call it like I see it. And I'm not claiming superiority because I make a good living online, I'm saying it because I have been around long enough to have shown what you are saying is simply not the case.

It is NONSENSE because I have proven it to be so. So if you are writing absolute nonsense, what should I call it to appease your sensibilities? Perhaps I should have said "your obvious internet prowess was slightly damaged by your false assertion, kind sir." Give me a break.

Your not making any friends round here right now mate. I mention that the people answering you are successful only to point out that you should listen a little more than argue.

When you state opinions as facts, you are perpetuating a myth that can cause new people to waste a great deal of time and effort that is completely unnecessary. So being blunt is sometimes required.

Originally Posted by Talinn

You are talking about something completely different. I am talking about the value Google puts in the content, not its visitor value or something. The value Google puts in a content is obviously decisive on its rankings. And I am suggesting that Google will put less value on duplicate content.

If you would like to explain what you mean my a content's intrinsic "value" then perhaps we can be more clear on the points you have been asserting as facts. Because value from content to me means the amount of sales/ entertainment/information value I offer. That value only comes from the visitors that see it.

If you are suggesting that google has some sort of magic wand that can effectively decide a good article is not WORTH as much (because it has been placed on more than one site), well, this may be yet another case of your obvious internet prowess being slightly damaged by your false assertion, kind sir.

[Talinn]

By this sentence you formed, I get the impression that you have not fully grasped what I am talking about:

"If you are suggesting that google has some sort of magic wand that can effectively decide a good article is not WORTH as much (because it has been placed on more than one site)"

I am disappointed by this, actually. What I am suggesting is so entirely different from what you are claiming I am suggesting. So let me be as open as I can, now. Let's say we have an article. There is a value Google will see in that article in terms of a certain keyword search, so let's say the article is targeted for the keyword "how to build muscle fast", then Google, as I'm sure you know, puts a value on that article for that keyword depending on some facts; main keyword density, number of LSI's used, etc. Let's say Google put a value of "100" for the keyword "how to build muscle fast" to our article.

Of course the rank of the article in the keyword search for Google doesn't all depend on the article itself, it depends on the site it is put on as well. The site (the page your article is broadcast from) and the article decide on what rank it will be in that keyword search.

NOW, what I am suggesting:

Our "100" point article will get that 100 points only for the first site it has been posted on. The sites after that will be marked as duplicate content, and not be worth 100 points any more. But the initial place you put it on retains the original value, obviously. This is where you are getting me wrong. I am not claiming because you have put it in more than one site your main site will be PENALIZED. I am only claiming that after the first site, the places you put the article on won't be valued by Google as much as they would have been if they were the first site which hosts that article.

[Allen Graves]

I know what you're saying - and I think you're wrong. Completely and totally grasping at straws, dude.

And I think you still don't get it.

Oops - I said I was done with this thread....sorry.

Allen

[TheRichJerksNet]

Originally Posted by Talinn

By this sentence you formed, I get the impression that you have not fully grasped what I am talking about:

"If you are suggesting that google has some sort of magic wand that can effectively decide a good article is not WORTH as much (because it has been placed on more than one site)"

I am disappointed by this, actually. What I am suggesting is so entirely different from what you are claiming I am suggesting. So let me be as open as I can, now. Let's say we have an article. There is a value Google will see in that article in terms of a certain keyword search, so let's say the article is targeted for the keyword "how to build muscle fast", then Google, as I'm sure you know, puts a value on that article for that keyword depending on some facts; main keyword density, number of LSI's used, etc. Let's say Google put a value of "100" for the keyword "how to build muscle fast" to our article.

Of course the rank of the article in the keyword search for Google doesn't all depend on the article itself, it depends on the site it is put on as well. The site (the page your article is broadcast from) and the article decide on what rank it will be in that keyword search.

NOW, what I am suggesting:

Our "100" point article will get that 100 points only for the first site it has been posted on. The sites after that will be marked as duplicate content, and not be worth 100 points any more. But the initial place you put it on retains the original value, obviously. This is where you are getting me wrong. I am not claiming because you have put it in more than one site your main site will be PENALIZED. I am only claiming that after the first site, the places you put the article on won't be valued by Google as much as they would have been if they were the first site which hosts that article.

So what you are assuming to be fact is this...

I take an article post it on my site, then I post it on 100 article directories without changing anything.

Google as you say will see mine as original and list it and the rest as duplicate and not list them or give them much lower listings.

If this is what you are posting as fact you are still wrong and posting it is fact is not right.. Thi has been pointed out several times. What is fact is this..

I can take an article and post it on my site and then take the exact same article and post it on 100 other article directories and I can dominate the entire front page of google.

1. My Site
2. EZA
3. GoArticles
4. ArticleDashboard
5. ArticlesBase
6. ArticleSnatch
7. iSnare
8. IdeaMarketers
9. ArticleFactory
10. ArticleCube

All with my same exact article... So if you are saying "duplicate content" (which does not exist as such as you explained it) does not rank then what you are stating as fact is wrong..

I know many that have done the above including me.. I have done it and will continue to do it..

I would also like to point out that if this is what you are trying to state as fact then that would mean publishers would not be so eager to republish your articles on their blogs.. Which I know is wrong because my articles are re-published on 1,000's of blogs that I do not own.

James

[Adrian Cooper]

Originally Posted by Jon Alexander

if you make the article sufficiently unique between the 2 postings, it doesn't matter.

Yes.

Placing the same article in multiple places is totally counter-productive.

I would post an article to EZA first because it will get ranked and produce traffic.

Post a similar article on your site and/or other article directories, but modify it.

Google looks for strings of words that are the same for duplicate content. Make sure that you have no string of 5 words the same in any article.

Google's algorithm knows that the chances of two authors using the same string of 5 consecutive is almost zero.

If you use the same article on your site as on EZA, then you are virtually excluding the article on your site from Google, because you can never compete with EZA.

[JayXtreme]

Hey Adrian...

How are you?

Just looking at your post there, I'm intrigued by your answers to the thread..

Placing the same article in multiple places is totally counter-productive.

What makes you say this?...

All of my testing tells me otherwise, I find it extremely productive to re-use content in different sites and portals across the web.

Each platform/portal has it's own pro's and con's, so I find it fits with my business model (which, coincidentally, is working fantastically well for me), to re-publish content in various places....this allows me to utilise the search engine strength of each one.

In fact, if you publish plenty of good content on EzineArticles alone, you will often find that your content is re-published "as is" by other webmasters and internet marketers... all of which increases traffic through YOUR resource box.

The fact that thousands of Webmasters across the world, have a requirement for content that has already been published, seems to indicate that your whole logic on this subject is a little flawed, no?

I would post an article to EZA first because it will get ranked and produce traffic.

Sure, you will get ranked and produced traffic from an article posted on EZA, providing it is well structured and valuable content... but it's a little unfair of you to tell people to post their content to EZA first, when this is a business damaging practice.

Your content is extremely valuable VRE, and should NEVER be given to any site other than your own before it is indexed.

Google looks for strings of words that are the same for duplicate content. Make sure that you have no string of 5 words the same in any article.

Google's algorithm knows that the chances of two authors using the same string of 5 consecutive is almost zero.

You seem to have a misconception about duplicate content, it's not uncommon to have such a view on this. Marketing folk have been fed this bull for years and it has almost become a standard accepted rule.. when really, it's a myth.

You'd be doing yourself a huge favour in doing some research and testing. Get some numbers to verify your thoughts on this. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at your findings.

The Duplicate content "penalty" in the context you describe above is an absolute joke and by perpetuating such a myth, you could be hurting the business of someone who is in no position to to be hurt.

If you use the same article on your site as on EZA, then you are virtually excluding the article on your site from Google, because you can never compete with EZA.

You appear to be stating the above as fact, when really, it isn't. Using the same articles on my site and EZA will NOT (in my experience) exclude the article on my site from Google...

And, I think there are many people here (myself included) who can compete with EZA, and we do it regularly.

Thanks for taking the time to read this, I don't mean it to come across as rude.. so I hope it doesn't.

I just like to make sure people don't read things and take them as facts if they aren't.

Peace

Jay

p.s. The above is only my opinion, an educated one, formed from the results I have gained after many diverse and varied tests when publishing content across the intranets

You can find my article submission steps and reasoning in this post on page 1 of this thread here

[Allen Graves]

Hey Adrian,

I was greatly intrigued by your post as well.

Do you work for Google or do you just have secret access to their algorithm?

Allen

[TheRichJerksNet]

Originally Posted by Adrian Cooper

Yes.

Placing the same article in multiple places is totally counter-productive.

I would post an article to EZA first because it will get ranked and produce traffic.

Post a similar article on your site and/or other article directories, but modify it.

Google looks for strings of words that are the same for duplicate content. Make sure that you have no string of 5 words the same in any article.

Google's algorithm knows that the chances of two authors using the same string of 5 consecutive is almost zero.

If you use the same article on your site as on EZA, then you are virtually excluding the article on your site from Google, because you can never compete with EZA.

Adrian,
I will tell you the same thing.. stop giving bad advice when you do not know what you talk about... These things you state as fact are not facts at all. They my be your "opinion" and you have every right to your opinion but you need to state it as your "opinion".

It is obvious that you also did not read this entire thread because if you did you would not post such bogus bull crap.

James

[truepers]

So the motto of this story is?

Provide good, original, useful content, and you will be loved by beautiful ladies (or gentlemen, as the case may be).

On a serious note, a great thread, extremely helpful. Better than a well conceived ebook. Better than most of the stuff on TV. Thank you all.

I understand the value of EZA and article directories, particularly for getting backlinks to your site, and most especially when you're getting a new site off the ground. So initially, sounds like a good idea. But I prefer the idea of growing my own site, rather than someone else's. More satisfying. Sort of like making improvements to your home rather than your landlord's building. Add value to your own property - the incentive makes the drudge work more tolerable.

In the long run, are you better off renting or owning?

[mentor4u]

Hello
I answered in a similar thread yesterday.
My wife is a Platinum expert author at ezinearticles.com

What we do on ALL our sites is post the article on our site first.
Than submit to ezinearticles first.
Since we are the original author and the resource box goes to that
site ezinearticles will accept the article.

That way we get the most google juice.
As long as the 2 match ezine articles has no problem.

The last ten articles that came out in the last ten days from
ezinearticles are ALL on the first page of google.
since they are alexa 211 they have the most juice.
After they approve and publish the article than we submit to the top
50 article directories for more google juice.
So we go in number one
ezinearticles.com goes in number two
than all the other follow behind for additional backlinks.

So this is the actual real world example that all are on the first page
of google and most in the number one and two position.
We than continue to link to those articles to keep them on the first page
lots of google juice and money in our pockets.
Don

[TheRichJerksNet]

Originally Posted by truepers

But I prefer the idea of growing my own site, rather than someone else's. More satisfying. Sort of like making improvements to your home rather than your landlord's building. Add value to your own property - the incentive makes the drudge work more tolerable.

In the long run, are you better off renting or owning?

Exactly .... Oh I like you, welcome to the forums ...

James

[theteach]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

So what you are assuming to be fact is this...



I can take an article and post it on my site and then take the exact same article and post it on 100 other article directories and I can dominate the entire front page of google.

1. My Site
2. EZA
3. GoArticles
4. ArticleDashboard
5. ArticlesBase
6. ArticleSnatch
7. iSnare
8. IdeaMarketers
9. ArticleFactory
10. ArticleCube



James

James, can anyone do this if they use keywords effectively?

[lilgrace]

Allen, Jay and James

I have been following this thread as I too had the same question as the OP.

THANK YOU for clearing this up for me! You three make the most sense on this entire thread and I will be posting on my SITE first all the time!!

Glad you all replied to this thread!!

[TheRichJerksNet]

Originally Posted by theteach

James, can anyone do this if they use keywords effectively?

Ofcourse anyone can do it but understand it is not just posting your article to a directory and just using proper keywords... First you post that article to your site and make sure it is seo'ed, pump some juice to your site and that article (bookmarks, rss feeds, twitter, facebook, digg, clipmarks, and etc).

When you have the juice going then feel free to post it to a hundred article directories if you wish. It is your choice if you choose to spin that article or not. It is not required to spin it. If you do spin it you will reap a few more benefits such as more publishers will pick it up as it is not that same content.

In anycase once you have it posted on those article directories then do the same thing as you did on your site, pump some juice to the articles.

Ofcourse this goes into a great deal more indepth details but you should get the general idea...

James

[truepers]

Thanks for sharing that, Don.

Maybe the answers to the following questions are obvious to others, but not to me.

When you submit your article (which you first published on your web site) to EZA, do you provide the link in the resource box directly back to the same web page/article on your site? Or do you direct the reader to a different page/article?

I would imagine the latter (why would you take your reader to the exact same article?), but maybe there is a hidden logic that eludes me.