Article on site or EZA first ?

[slashman]

My opinion and the opinion of people who understand that if the same article is on both eza and your new site, the article on eza will outrank you all the time... pretty much... Why are you adding articles? Is it to just increase content or attract traffic. Each page of your site should be it's own key word phrase. If you build links to each of these articles on your site and even have the eza article pointing to your site then you should place the article on your site first. I'm pretty sure the search engine knows which came first. I did a test and the first page I posted ended up being on top in search engines with dup content.

Thanks,

George

[crissanteiro]

Originally Posted by Allen Graves

I agree with Kay and Alexa - not just
I suggest going here and listening to this interview:

Summer Speaker Series 2009

Chris says right there in the interview that your articles only have to be original to you - doesn't matter if they are already published elsewhere - although he PERSONALLY prefers that you submit to EZA first.


Allen

Allen: thank you for this info.

That helps me to know that your info came from Ezine articles itself.

I do always put articles on my blog first and then on Ezine so I can link back to my website on the author resource box. Then I list them on other directories.

[peter gibson]

Originally Posted by alexa_s

People just will not do this!



LOL, I'm afraid this totally right. I suspect that many people "already know they're right" (i.e. in the face of all the contrary evidence) and don't read most of these threads in which all the evidence is neatly set out for them; so it's just a never-ending conversation. And when this thread's too old for it, it will just be another new thread instead. People will believe what they want to believe, ultimately.

Too true Alexa. I guess that's why there are successful marketers, and those who will be back at WF in 6 months time complaining that they haven't made a dime - and then have the nerve to blame the advice they never took in the first place.

This is easy!

Put the article on your site and just reword it before you submit to ezine!

I rest my case.

[GeorgR.]

what if you dont put the articles on a site, but only on EZA and other directories?

Do you wait for EZA to approve the article..and then submit a copy to all others?

[peter gibson]

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

what if you dont put the articles on a site, but only on EZA and other directories?

Do you wait for EZA to approve the article..and then submit a copy to all others?

I used to wait for EZA yes, but lately I've been impatient and just gone ahead and submitted full bore all at once - mostly just to see if there would be some sort of repercussion. It hasn't made a lick of a difference.

Originally Posted by peter gibson

I swear James, this debate is bordering on paranormal. It seems as if the voice of God could swoop in here and lay down the facts and still people will come back time and again with this nonsense.

You got that right Peter .... It is really amazing how everything is set out for people in a step by step system but yet they fail because they just do not want to read. They are more focused on "thinking" they are "right" and posting their "bad advice" vs reading the actual hard core truth from people that do give great advice.

I think society has become way too lazy with all this new technology like text messages, automation on this and that, and etc... When you can not even take 10 minutes to read a thread but you rather spend 30 minutes giving out bad advice, you know something is wrong - Terribly Wrong!

James

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

what if you dont put the articles on a site, but only on EZA and other directories?

Do you wait for EZA to approve the article..and then submit a copy to all others?

GeorgR - You do not have to wait for EZA to approve nothing, this is your content not theirs. You are providing then "free of charge" content that could be worth hundreds if not thousands. Yeah that's right... You are providing them content worth a great deal of money and the more your advertise that content on their site the more value it holds.

You may wonder why, well the truth is they have google ads plastered all over the place... They have other products and services that they are in a position to sell those visitors that you send to your articles. So you see your content is worth a great deal which is all the more reason to post it on your site first and just use EZA for the backlinks if you must use them at all.

Again though you do not have to wait for anything to be approved.. You can very well submit it to hundreds of article directories and it will still be approved by EZA. I should know as I have done just that when I did wastemy time submitting to EZA (I have not submitted a article to them in months now).

James

[JayXtreme]

I would just like to applaud James and Keith in this thread..

We covered the facts VERY early in the thread and countless others have jumped in after with mis-information and BS...I applaud you both for having the energy and resolve to continue repeating yourself like I didn't have the strength to.

It becomes headache-worthy stuff..lol..

Peace

Jay

p.s. From now on, I'm just simply going to point people to my stock answer for this question, which was posted on page one of the thread here: Care To Get Some Good Info On The Subject?...

Originally Posted by JayXtreme

I would just like to applaud James and Keith in this thread..

We covered the facts VERY early in the thread and countless others have jumped in after with mis-information and BS...I applaud you both for having the energy and resolve to continue repeating yourself like I didn't have the strength to.

It becomes headache-worthy stuff..lol..

Peace

Jay

p.s. From now on, I'm just simply going to point people to my stock answer for this question, which was posted on page one of the thread here: Care To Get Some Good Info On The Subject?...

Hi Jay,
Thanks ... It really does get old repeating yourself over and over... I seriously wish those self proclaimed gurus would stop selling those bad advice ebooks just to make a few dollars.

Then some wonder why IM has a bad rap ... Well if the truth of that does not slap you in the face by reading this thread alone then you seriously need to re-think your business and just go spend your time playing online games because a business is not what you need..

Sorry to be so blunt to some people but sometimes being blunt is what it takes to get through to someone...

James

[over59]

excellent thread-I did not see this question answered:in the discussion thread of posting a previously unpublished article to article directories first or to you own web site first. Majority opinion was website first.

I have been publishing to article sites first and bookmarking that article on that site.

Now that I will be posting the article on my blog first, should I bookmark the article on my site or bookmark it when I post it on an article site?

[truepers]

By all means, send your best original articles to EZA first.

Then maybe post to your own site, but be sure to rewrite the article so as not to offend the article directories or Google with duplicate content. Remember, you want your best stuff on someone else's site, second or even third best on your own (depending on how many directories you submit to - be sure to rewrite each one!). Wait for EZA to approve your original article before you post your rewrite on your own site.

Just kidding.

I've been following this thread for a couple of weeks. Really funny stuff. James, in particular, has demonstrated remarkable resilience in rising up time and again to defend the cause.

His well thought out, detailed explanations are often countered by short authoritative bursts along the lines of: Submit to EZA First!

Often that's all we get. Like a slap to the head. If these bold commands offer no explanation, they are at least somewhat amusing (to some if not all).

Hmmm. Wonder what percentage of warriors read a thread from beginning to end before posting their comments?

Originally Posted by over59

excellent thread-I did not see this question answered:in the discussion thread of posting a previously unpublished article to article directories first or to you own web site first. Majority opinion was website first.

I have been publishing to article sites first and bookmarking that article on that site.

Now that I will be posting the article on my blog first, should I bookmark the article on my site or bookmark it when I post it on an article site?

Technically you should do both but please pay close attention to this point. As I stated above about the google ads and other services that EZA and many many other article directories have (not all have ads but the majority do).

DO NOT - Build all your backlinks to that article on the article directory. It is fine to bookmark it and it is fine to cross link your articles with each other. Just DO NOT build all your links to that article, the majority should be built to your site.

James

[Keith Kogane]

Originally Posted by JayXtreme

I would just like to applaud James and Keith in this thread..

We covered the facts VERY early in the thread and countless others have jumped in after with mis-information and BS...I applaud you both for having the energy and resolve to continue repeating yourself like I didn't have the strength to.

It becomes headache-worthy stuff..lol..

Peace

Jay

p.s. From now on, I'm just simply going to point people to my stock answer for this question, which was posted on page one of the thread here: Care To Get Some Good Info On The Subject?...

I give all credit to James. I gave up a long time ago. For anyone reading this - the next time you think you can give advice about something to newbies here, think about where it comes from. Are you parroting what you've read? Or have you actually TRIED it? If you HAVE only read it, please PLEASE cite your source, and state that you're just repeating what you've heard.

Otherwise, James is going to make you look like a retard in front of everyone.

Originally Posted by Keith Kogane

I give all credit to James. I gave up a long time ago. For anyone reading this - the next time you think you can give advice about something to newbies here, think about where it comes from. Are you parroting what you've read? Or have you actually TRIED it? If you HAVE only read it, please PLEASE cite your source, and state that you're just repeating what you've heard.

Otherwise, James is going to make you look like a retard in front of everyone.

Thanks Keith...lol It's just that it is so hard to get people to understand "STOP FOLLOWING" and actually go out there and do it. Who cares what Joe Blow Marketer said or did, good for him - Does not mean you will have the same results as him.

Yes many have been conditioned to think you need to follow this guru or that self proclaimed expert. Well, get that thinking out of your head because most of the time this is why you fail. People preach on the fact that people fail due to not taking action. This is only half the truth, the other half is they follow the blind that loves leading the blind because that is how those self proclaimed experts make their living. STOP FILLING THEIR POCKETS WITH YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY!

There are several plans in this thread that all work and have been proven, nobody is making money off you with this priceless information. It has been given to you as a gift.. Now it is upto you to use it and become something or continue to follow those self proclaimed experts and wine and cry when you fail..

If anyone has followed my post you know that I normally am not this blunt but there must be some way to get it through to people. You are the only one that holds your future, do you take that leap of faith on proven methods or jump down the pits of hell based on some "top marketer" that just claims this or that ....

The choice is yours..

James

Allen can I please request this thread be made a sticky ????

James

[Keith Kogane]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

...This is only half the truth, the other half is they follow the blind that loves leading the blind because that is how those self proclaimed experts make their living...

Your whole post was dead on once again, but I wanted to point out this bit of yours. That blind guy who loves to be the leader is the most dangerous kind of denizen of this forum. They may not know SQUAT about really making money, but anyone of relatively limited skill can learn enough from this forum to APE the info-product side of marketing.

ANY of the posters here who posted blatantly and provably INCORRECT information could just have easily have made a WSO about it, and be selling it. And not even feel BAD about it. They might not even have enough brains to think about whether what they are repeating could even possibly be false. They may have enough brains but lack enough soul to give a crap as long as you're willing to buy.

Not pointing out anyone specifically here, but this is just a theoretical thought exercise - before you leap to follow someone, really consider the source of the info. A good shortcut to smelling quality is the degree of detail included. For example when James and I state something, it's followed by example and evidence.

Just keep that in mind. It's a jungle out there and not every monkey is going to be able to dodge the tigers on the ground. Wise up, use your head and CLIMB above all that monkey-see, monkey-do mentality.

It's made ALL the difference in my life and business.

So true Keith that is it really scary -

We should do a JV dude...lol

James

Originally Posted by Keith Kogane

Your whole post was dead on once again, but I wanted to point out this bit of yours. That blind guy who loves to be the leader is the most dangerous kind of denizen of this forum. They may not know SQUAT about really making money, but anyone of relatively limited skill can learn enough from this forum to APE the info-product side of marketing.

ANY of the posters here who posted blatantly and provably INCORRECT information could just have easily have made a WSO about it, and be selling it. And not even feel BAD about it. They might not even have enough brains to think about whether what they are repeating could even possibly be false. They may have enough brains but lack enough soul to give a crap as long as you're willing to buy.

Not pointing out anyone specifically here, but this is just a theoretical thought exercise - before you leap to follow someone, really consider the source of the info. A good shortcut to smelling quality is the degree of detail included. For example when James and I state something, it's followed by example and evidence.

Just keep that in mind. It's a jungle out there and not every monkey is going to be able to dodge the tigers on the ground. Wise up, use your head and CLIMB above all that monkey-see, monkey-do mentality.

It's made ALL the difference in my life and business.

[peter gibson]

You know, with all these kudos going around, I think I deserve at least an honorable mention.

Your right Peter, you do .. so I gave you yet another thanks...

James

[peter gibson]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Your right Peter, you do .. so I gave you yet another thanks...

James

lol!! You da man. *walks away, wiping tears and feeling slightly better*

[peter gibson]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Allen can I please request this thread be made a sticky ????

James

I can second this. Since the topic is constantly being rehashed, this thread would be worthy of a sticky. Allen, what say you?

[mohd]

I read from page 1 to page 4.

Here's my opinion: DUPLICATE CONTENT IS NOTHING BUT BULL.S.H.I.T

Let's look at the logic here, IF there's such thing as DUPLICATE CONTENT, then I would thank GOD that I finally able to rank high in the SE.

What?

Yeah, cause I can finally able to destroy all of my competitors on page 1 of the Google's SERP RIGHT NOW!

How?

I simply copy their content, put their website link at the resource box, and just distribute it to all article directories, web 2.0 properties, free ads, the list goes on...

But it ain't gonna happen. Not in the million years.

If there's such thing as DUPLICATE CONTENT, then why do Google keeps indexing the page which has the SAME CONTENT? Also, Google wouldn't allow such concept as other people sabotaging other people's business. Yeah, I could even destroy wikipedia if I would able to do that. As oppose, it will further gives the first SERP websites to rank even higher cause they're getting links for FREE.

But the question is, we never know how much weight does the link carries!

I would just follow the suggestion from James to maximize each article that I had wrote (or ghostwritten).

Now, here's my question, do I need to tweak it to 35% difference from the original? this is important cause when we want to distribute it to web 2.0 properties, we cannot ping all the same content, am I right?

[tommygadget]

I don't know if this has been covered here or not, but here goes: I think Keith mentioned using other people's content from article directories and re-publishing it. I have a bunch of accounts with different c-class IP addresses. Here's what I do: Find relevant articles that are very similar to yours and put them on your "article directory" blogs. Create 10 or 20 of these blogs on the different IP accounts. Link back to your "real" blogs with the properly anchored text links from the "article directory" blogs. That way, you get 10 to 20 links per article on your money blogs. You can also create subdomains and take this idea and run with it. Oh, and don't forget to promote your "article directory" blogs via RSS feed submission and other backlinking strategies already covered here. Hope that got a few of you thinking

TomG.

James + Keith, good stuff guys!

[peter gibson]

Originally Posted by sck4784

First put article on EZA and then on other sites wherever you want.

First read through a thread before posting within it.

[Jon Alexander]

Originally Posted by mohd

Here's my opinion: DUPLICATE CONTENT IS NOTHING BUT BULL.S.H.I.T

... am I right?

no.

Try putting yourself in google's shoes.

Imagine a user comes to you and searches for 'caring for my weasel'.

Remember, you are Google. Would you rather show the user:-

1. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on weasels.com
2. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on weaselsrus.com
3. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on justweasels.com
4. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on weaselsweasels.com
5. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on weasel-weasels.com
6. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on spamweasels.com
7. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on weaselspam.com
8. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on myweasels.com
9. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on yourweasels.com
10. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on weasels101.com

or

1. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on weasels.com
2. Weasel Care Tips on superweasle.com
3. The care of your weasel on wikiweasel.com
4. Looking after your weasel on theweaselsite.com
5. Spice weasel maintenance on spiceweasel.com
6. Weasel didn't care - Ramones on songs.com
7. The weasel center - everything you need to care for your weasel on wzel.com
8. Weasels - common problems on ezinearticles.com
9. I don't care if you weasel out of it said Modummy on jefferyarcher.com
10. Pop goes the weasel on nurseryrhymes.com

I'm just curious, because people who claim (usually IN CAPITALS) that it's 'ok to create sites rammed with nothing but dupe content' either believe:-


1. Search engines can't detect duplicates.
2. Search engines, uniquely among the world's corporations, don't care about delivering a good user experience.

So which one do you believe?

[mohd]

@Jon Alexander:

I think you misunderstood something. I'm speaking as if SYNDICATING the content. Distributing the content. Do you suggest on changing/varying the title of the original content without changing the body or what?

And I believe DUPLICATE CONTENT= PLAGIARIZM which in my understanding, other people took someone's content, and change their resource box to their link.

now, about ...am I right?
That i'm asking a different question.

I'm taking that dummy as a positive manner in which you mean make a dummy of (to create, to produce), not calling me ignorant.

Mohd

[Keith Kogane]

Originally Posted by Jon Alexander

no.

Try putting yourself in google's shoes.

Imagine a user comes to you and searches for 'caring for my weasel'.

Remember, you are Google. Would you rather show the user:-

1. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on weasels.com
2. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on weaselsrus.com
3. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on justweasels.com
4. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on weaselsweasels.com
5. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on weasel-weasels.com
6. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on spamweasels.com
7. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on weaselspam.com
8. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on myweasels.com
9. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on yourweasels.com
10. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on weasels101.com

or

1. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on weasels.com
2. Weasel Care Tips on superweasle.com
3. The care of your weasel on wikiweasel.com
4. Looking after your weasel on theweaselsite.com
5. Spice weasel maintenance on spiceweasel.com
6. Weasel didn't care - Ramones on songs.com
7. The weasel center - everything you need to care for your weasel on wzel.com
8. Weasels - common problems on ezinearticles.com
9. I don't care if you weasel out of it said Modummy on jefferyarcher.com
10. Pop goes the weasel on nurseryrhymes.com

I'm just curious, because people who claim (usually IN CAPITALS) that it's 'ok to create sites rammed with nothing but dupe content' either believe:-


1. Search engines can't detect duplicates.
2. Search engines, uniquely among the world's corporations, don't care about delivering a good user experience.

So which one do you believe?

No you're right that Google won't ever so serps like that, but you're assuming a couple of things that are not true.

1. that the intent when republishing reprint articles would be to somehow dominate a single page of serps with multiple copies of the same article as you're showing here.

2. that one would try to rank multiple copies of the same article for the same keyword in the first place

Just because multiple very similar pages don't show up in the same single search on the first page doesn't mean that they're not indexed, and that they won't rank for other phrases, or that I can't beat the copy of the article that's ranking now through more backlink building.

Google does want to provide the best experience possible, so I try to make my copy of articles I'm re-using be the best, and I do that by putting it together with similar articles, with good on-site SEO, and good backlinking.

Am I dominating the serps? **** I don't know. I don't even look a lot of the time to see if I'm ranking where I wanted to - the fact is, traffic happens. Comments happen. Ad clicks happen. Sales happen. People are coming from somewhere, so I don't lose much sleep over not having original content of a certain percentage or not.

Not saying "Me right You wrong!" Just saying that the internet's a big enough place for multiple strategies to be working simultaneously. The real important bit is to just DO something to get the ball rolling. Posting a reprint article to a blog has more chance of making you money than posting no article. Right?

[cgallagher93]

DON'T EVER post your articles to both your website and article directories!

This is a BIG mistake a lot of marketers make in their SEO and will result in a very poor search engine ranking in time.

It signifies to Google (because they're picky!) that you're too lazy to write numerous different articles.

I'd write 1 article, change it around three/four times and submit it to ezinearticles.com, goarticles.com and eHow.com/buzzle.

Then, write 2-3 different articles per week and add them to your site. Use power words in your title and be sure to internal link all your pages.

[Keith Kogane]

Originally Posted by cgallagher93

DON'T EVER post your articles to both your website and article directories!

This is a BIG mistake a lot of marketers make in their SEO and will result in a very poor search engine ranking in time.

A poor ranking for which?

Originally Posted by cgallagher93

It signifies to Google (because they're picky!) that you're too lazy to write numerous different articles.

This is possibly the funniest thing I've read on this forum in a long time. Really? You really think this? Based on what? Where did you get this information? Because it's very, very wrong - I'm honestly curious where this kind of misinformation even starts. Google are now the lazy writer police? Just... wow.

Originally Posted by cgallagher93

I'd write 1 article, change it around three/four times and submit it to ezinearticles.com, goarticles.com and eHow.com/buzzle.

Then, write 2-3 different articles per week and add them to your site. Use power words in your title and be sure to internal link all your pages.

Skip the "change around" and "different" and this part is actually okay. But man, that part above is just crazy talk. For real.

[mohd]

@ cgallagher93:

I think you're wrong. We have the RIGHT for every article that we published. We can do whatever we want with them. Google don't owns my articles. And if someone copying my article, I'll email them to pull it off. So, as to produce the authenticity and copyright of the article, i think it's best to post it on my site before syndicating it to the whole world.

@ Keith:

Thanks so much for clearing this up for me.

Mohd

[cgallagher93]

Fair enough Keith, I respect your opinion.

But I've done months and months of SEO research and learnt from SEO's such as Brad Callen and my sites rank very well. So I can only go off the results I've achieved myself and the results of others who have used these techniques.

The search engine algorithms are extremely complicated and are constantly being updated. They're getting to "learn" so to speak, which sites rank "naturally" and which sites don't.

It's called duplicate content.

I was not suggesting that anyone was lazy, perhaps I worded it wrongly. I was simply implying that Google can distinguish, over time, through analysis of backlinks, content, and other social factors such as domain age and authority which sites have ranked naturally, and which have simply spammed the search engines by trying desperately to rank for keywords.

When I said that it will result in a poor ranking, I was referring to your actual site, not the article directory. Directories will in most cases outrank you for your articles unless you've established trust, authority and are known for quality content in your niche.

Then again, perhaps I worded it wrongly or I am wrong. But I certainly would like to think that after months and months of research and actually achieving results, that I know what I'm talking about.

Sorry if I offended you and sorry if you feel my opinion is incorrect. I just don't think the way you slated it was very civil.

P.S. You do seem to be pretty established and respected on this forum. What have you learnt about SEO in the past, and what's your take on this? Why am I wrong in this case?

All the best,

Connor

[cgallagher93]

Apologies mohd.

It seems in this case there is a significant difference of opinion and I am willing to let this go if you are

[peter gibson]

Originally Posted by cgallagher93

DON'T EVER post your articles to both your website and article directories!

This is a BIG mistake a lot of marketers make in their SEO and will result in a very poor search engine ranking in time.

It signifies to Google (because they're picky!) that you're too lazy to write numerous different articles.

I'd write 1 article, change it around three/four times and submit it to ezinearticles.com, goarticles.com and eHow.com/buzzle.

Then, write 2-3 different articles per week and add them to your site. Use power words in your title and be sure to internal link all your pages.

And in the never-ending cycle of redundancies, here we frikin go again.

Cgallagher, you really need to read through this thread because what you are suggesting is tragically flawed logic that has been dis-proven time and time again by marketers throughout this thread, and this forum. Your opinion - being touted as facts- are reckless to new marketers reading this thread for advice.

My rankings have never suffered one iota from syndicating my articles - as is - to many directories, and if you would take the time to read through this thread you will understand exactly why that is. My rankings have only ever increased from submitting my articles to many directories, as they provide me with much needed links.

Out of my 19 sites/blogs, 15 are within the top 5 SERP, while the 4 other sites are brand new and on their way up. I have close to 1000 articles in EZA, all identical to articles that are in other directories, and exist as content on other sites that have copied my articles and used them for their own content. In a few cases within the first page of google, I am competing with myself.

I'm certainly not suggesting that you discontinue your methodology, please, be my guest. While you are taking the time to rewrite your stuff, your competitors will be getting back links, building lists, e.t.c... and you may find that you've wasted precious time.

What I am suggesting very strongly is that you study this thread and read through the information available to you before making blanket statements like this, as you are offering a flawed opinion, not fact, as the facts show overwhelmingly otherwise.

Here's another point r.e. all this "would you/google rather have unique or duplicate" content. I've said this before and I will again. I am NOT an advocate for duplicate content, I'm an advocate for economic use of time - especially when it concerns newbs. There's plenty of info overload to keep the newb busy until the wee hours. One doesn't need to perpetuate this mythical penalty in regards to something that is well known as a perfectly acceptable and effective link building and traffic campaign.

100 unique articles is always better than 1. However, if 1 article takes 30 minutes to write, what's the math on 100 articles? 3000 minutes, or 50 hours. If I'm buying these articles, does it make more sense to pay for 15.00 for one, or 1500.00 for 100? What is the end result of all that time or money? What newb has the confidence to commit that kind of time or money at something they are not even sure will work?

Furthermore, when you take a piece of work that may have wonderful and compelling content, and then you throw it into an article spinner or fatigue yourself by rewording it, that article may be losing a great deal of intrinsic value and in the end, make you look like an idiot in the eyes of your reader.

Guys, really, read through these threads before posting, because when you don't it is really frustrating.

[cgallagher93]

It seems I am wrong in this case and I perhaps need to do some more research.

So do you post articles to your site and the directories too?

Perhaps I have been wasting my time rewording them then? Because this is what I honestly believed.

I was stating that in my opinion, it's seen by Google as duplicate content. Let's face it, SEO isn't an overnight strategy. It's a long-term technique that needs to be perfected.

I am willing to email the moderators and ask them to remove my earlier post if you wish.

However, I think it's more the way I worded my post rather than the content I provided. I was just trying to help. Clearly there's a difference of opinion. I think we should just forget about this now and move on.

[mohd]

@ cgallagher93:

none taken.

@ peter:

You're right about article rewriting. the quality sucks from the original one. Why? because I had before submitted an article to three article rewriting services (I don't want to name them) and even rewriting by myself phrase by phrase (even up to 5 variation of sentences), and you know what, the quality just uhm... gone.

I had seen how Steven Wagenheim and CDarklock wrote their articles and the quality were just simply amazing. There are certain level in which each sentences that makes up an article cannot be rewrite as to preserve the integrity, the flow and the logic in it. This is also important so that the article to be more readable and all the persuasive elements are kept intact in order to maintain the CTR.

Mohd

[cgallagher93]

It certainly seems there's a lot of misconception about article marketing.

Am I right in thinking that article marketing is more of a backlinking strategy as opposed to getting people to read them?

I mean, there are thousands of articles out there, so unless yours is really good I suppose you're just one of the many fish in the sea.

It seems I've made the mistake of reformatting my articles in the past although my SEO works damn well. It's just very time-consuming and a bit of a drag if I'm honest.

So would I be better writing a handful of articles, or hiring someone to do it and then just submitting them to the most authoritative directories such as Ezine Articles, GoArticles, eHow etc?

It's not that what I'm doing now isn't working, but if I can save time by not messing around formatting articles it's going to be a much easier and less time-consuming way to get traffic.

Thanks

[mohd]

Wow, as this issue intrigues me I had done some research on Google:

I go for highly search volume keywords for a specific niche (through Wordtracker)
picked one with 1225 daily searches, type it in Google's SE with quote "..." has 22,400 of sites competing. Record the first ten sites featured on it.

But I know that visitors will type in the keywords without quotation mark. To my surprise this one article rank very highly (on 1st SERP) which is from ezine, but never featured in Google's 1st SERP if the keywords put in quotation marks.

Anyway, it got viewed 224576 times, published since 9th Dec 2004 and only got 19 backlinks (except form the ezine itself).

So, that determines quality first, seo comes second.

To check about duplicate content issues, I copied the body's first sentence which has 9 words and put it in Google's SE under quotation mark "...", and guess what? there are 578 pages that matched the first sentence. That determines duplicate content is not an issue and I'm assuming that the article that she put on ezine would probably the first she published.

Why?

Because when I went to her website, the article were never there.

Well, I don't know as this is one of many research that I could have conducted.

But from this, I know that: DUPLICATE CONTENT IS NOT AN ISSUE. PRIORITIZE THE QUALITY ABOVE ANYTHING.

Mohd

[peter gibson]

Originally Posted by cgallagher93

It certainly seems there's a lot of misconception about article marketing.

Am I right in thinking that article marketing is more of a backlinking strategy as opposed to getting people to read them?

I mean, there are thousands of articles out there, so unless yours is really good I suppose you're just one of the many fish in the sea.

It seems I've made the mistake of reformatting my articles in the past although my SEO works damn well. It's just very time-consuming and a bit of a drag if I'm honest.

So would I be better writing a handful of articles, or hiring someone to do it and then just submitting them to the most authoritative directories such as Ezine Articles, GoArticles, eHow etc?

It's not that what I'm doing now isn't working, but if I can save time by not messing around formatting articles it's going to be a much easier and less time-consuming way to get traffic.

Thanks

cgallagher, firstly no offense taken.

Articles are not exclusively a back link strategy, but they can be used for that purpose alone.

One thing is to make sure you place your stuff on your own site first. This will tell all the google and interweb Gods that you are the original owner of said content.

Personally, and this is very subjective, I don't like to SEO articles anywhere but my own sites. I just hate the thought of giving away traffic I'm working for to EZA, ArticlesBase, or anywhere else.

But there are times when doing just that can be profitable.

For example; you find a hot niche/ product but it's a fairly competitive niche. Maybe your site is not optimized for that keyword. In that case, using, say, goarticles you can create a compelling piece of copy, publish and SEO the hell out of the page. This strategy can quickly send high competition keyword traffic to your site, or wherever you want them to go.

Since competitive niches are not easy to get SERP for, you are essentially borrowing on goarticles/EZA/e.t.c... PR and authority achieve better rankings quickly.

I mention goarticles only because they allow raw affiliate links within the body of the text - and that leaves the reader without much else to click on. EZA only allows top level domain links in the resource box (two max) but EZA has much more authority than goarticles. So it's a trade off, depending on your desired end result.

So again, there are many uses for article marketing, back linking is only one. But I can say this with conviction. Unless it is your personal preference, you do not need alter your article body at all to submit to many directories. You will suffer no penalties, no de-indexing, no loss of hudspa.

Once you have placed your articles, take a look at the number of pages you have and ask yourself which page you want to work to achieve the best SERP. If it's a big number keyword, you may want to borrow on an article directories authority to try and rank quicker. Personally I always end up picking my own site, since the directories aren't paying me to give them my traffic.

[peter gibson]

Originally Posted by mohd

Wow, as this issue intrigues me I had done some research on Google:

I go for highly search volume keywords for a specific niche (through Wordtracker)
picked one with 1225 daily searches, type it in Google's SE with quote "..." has 22,400 of sites competing. Record the first ten sites featured on it.

But I know that visitors will type in the keywords without quotation mark. To my surprise this one article rank very highly (on 1st SERP) which is from ezine, but never featured in Google's 1st SERP if the keywords put in quotation marks.

Anyway, it got viewed 224576 times, published since 9th Dec 2004 and only got 19 backlinks (except form the ezine itself).

So, that determines quality first, seo comes second.

To check about duplicate content issues, I copied the body's first sentence which has 9 words and put it in Google's SE under quotation mark "...", and guess what? there are 578 pages that matched the first sentence. That determines duplicate content is not an issue and I'm assuming that the article that she put on ezine would probably the first she published.

Why?

Because when I went to her website, the article were never there.

Well, I don't know as this is one of many research that I could have conducted.

But from this, I know that: DUPLICATE CONTENT IS NOT AN ISSUE. PRIORITIZE THE QUALITY ABOVE ANYTHING.

Mohd

Exactly. I wouldn't depend too heavily on wordtracker though, their data is skewed and inaccurate from my experience. Try market samurai FTW. Hands down the best SEO tool in existence,. Again, IMO. There's a 40 day free trial available now.

Speaking of demystifying dupe content, look at these google results. Which one of those top 50 sites was dealt the dreaded Dupe Penalty of Doom LOL!

[mohd]

James, Keith, Peter, Jay = they were all SUPERB!!!!

every time they speak makes total sense ( not on some baseless fact ) but based from pure experienced.

I salute you all.

@ Peter:
Thanks for recommending that tool. I'll definitely use it. About the google results, hah, lol.

Mohd

[jaypick]

Wow, this threads on fire. Good deal. Very informative.

Originally Posted by cgallagher93

It seems I am wrong in this case and I perhaps need to do some more research.

Perhaps I have been wasting my time rewording them then? Because this is what I honestly believed.

I was stating that in my opinion, it's seen by Google as duplicate content. Let's face it, SEO isn't an overnight strategy. It's a long-term technique that needs to be perfected.

I am willing to email the moderators and ask them to remove my earlier post if you wish.

However, I think it's more the way I worded my post rather than the content I provided. I was just trying to help. Clearly there's a difference of opinion. I think we should just forget about this now and move on.

It would seem you are wrong on a great many things you have posted. I agree with Peter, read a thread before just posting un-proven methods and stating them as facts.

So do you post articles to your site and the directories too?

So you did'nt bother reading the thread before posting that ... This is what Peter' point was... That question is already answered.

The search engine algorithms are extremely complicated and are constantly being updated. They're getting to "learn" so to speak, which sites rank "naturally" and which sites don't.

Yes they are complex, so complex as a matter "fact" that not even google' own team fully understands the system. But one thing you are fully wrong on yet again is this --> "They're getting to "learn" so to speak, which sites rank "naturally" and which sites don't."

Sorry dude, there is no search engine in this world that knows if a sites ranking is done "natural" or not... Come on please define "natural" for me, because I know for a fact you can not define it. I can perfetly spend my entire day "manually" posting to 5,000 sites all in the same day. DO NOT tell me that is not natural because if you try to then you wrong again.

I am like Keith I have no idea where some people come up with this lame crap from but they really need to sit down and listen and read and then go test what they just read before posting "opinions" as "facts"....

Oh and let me say it again "DUPLICATE CONTENT IS A MYTH"

James

[Allen Graves]

LOL - you guys are funny. Still on the fact vs. theory arguement.

James, I think you are wasting your virtual breath. It doesn't appear that people are going to stop trying to post their opinions as proven fact.

Very frustrating when you've spent years doing the grunt-work and someone comes along and tries to dispell your research.

Allen

Originally Posted by Allen Graves

LOL - you guys are funny. Still on the fact vs. theory arguement.

James, I think you are wasting your virtual breath. It doesn't appear that people are going to stop trying to post their opinions as proven fact.

Very frustrating when you've spent years doing the grunt-work and someone comes along and tries to dispell your research.

Allen

Maybe if I repeated it they would understand, let's see ...

DUPLICATE CONTENT IS A MYTH
DUPLICATE CONTENT IS A MYTH
DUPLICATE CONTENT IS A MYTH
DUPLICATE CONTENT IS A MYTH
DUPLICATE CONTENT IS A MYTH
DUPLICATE CONTENT IS A MYTH
DUPLICATE CONTENT IS A MYTH

Ok now that seems kind of childish but so does the many that still proclaim dulicate content exist.

James

[Allen Graves]

Yea - dup content is a myth. Even if it is on your own site - Google will just pick one to use or look for a canonical tag. No penalty, no problems.

But I was referring more to the your site or EZA first issue.

Oh well, If they don't want to listen to those who actually have the answers - based on solid proof and data, (or even Google's own words!!!) let 'em burn. LOL

Allen

Originally Posted by Allen Graves

Yea - dup content is a myth. Even if it is on your own site - Google will just pick one to use or look for a canonical tag. No penalty, no problems.

But I was referring more to the your site or EZA first issue.

Oh well, If they don't want to listen to those who actually have the answers - based on solid proof and data, (or even Google's own words!!!) let 'em burn. LOL

Allen

Allen,
Oh I know what you meant but I was just being childish just to show others how "foolish" it really looks ...

Hey Keith and Peter,
Maybe we should create a digital blueprint on Article Marketing, Syndication, and Duplicate Content... Looks like there would be plenty of customers thanks to all those self proclaimed experts that keep giving out bad advice for people to pass on..

Oh Wait!!!! All that information is already in this thread - For those that take the time to read it

Ok so maybe a free digital blueplrint on :

"A Surefire Way How To Increase The Google Clicks On Your Article"
"That is posted on other site and not yours"

We could create an opt-in form for it and post 10,000 articles on all those article directories (make sure they have google ads) and then build all the backlinks to those articles, not our opt-in form mind you, this is very important that we must build all the backlinks to the articles for this to be effective...

Think we could build our opt-in list to millions

James






"If you did not catch the sarcasm in this post then you need to read this entire thread now".

[Keith Kogane]

I was going to say something, but then I decided not to, because farting in a wind tunnel yields no results.

Originally Posted by Keith Kogane

I was going to say something, but then I decided not to, because farting in a wind tunnel yields no results.

Well you're just no fun at all .... -

James

[Keith Kogane]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Well you're just no fun at all .... -

James

Meh - it's just that I can only beat my head against the same wall so many times. I mean, how many exchanges like this can I really have in a month:

"Plan B" can still make you money when "Plan A" fails (Goes to a specific post in that thread - kind of underlines the argument perfectly, no?)

Good thing tomorrow starts a new month, right?

[peter gibson]

Originally Posted by Keith Kogane

Meh - it's just that I can only beat my head against the same wall so many times. I mean, how many exchanges like this can I really have in a month:

"Plan B" can still make you money when "Plan A" fails (Goes to a specific post in that thread - kind of underlines the argument perfectly, no?)

Good thing tomorrow starts a new month, right?

I never did catch that thread Keith but man, gotta say that is a helluva great OP. Reading through it in detail now. Stellar stuff. (Sorry for hijacking the Google/ Eza Conspiracy thread lol!)