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Keith - I must admit I did not see that thread but yep you are right!! I will have to come back and read the entire thing when I get a few minutes... James |
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So.... Let me get this right, James.. You're saying I should post the content to EZA first.. and THEN to my own site to avoid that big nasty duplicate content penalty that Google is handing out left, right and center?... I'm so glad you saved me... If it wasn't for you, I would be doing silly things like putting the content on my own site first... phew! Peace Jay  innocent whistle |
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LOL .. Good one Jay .. Too much coffee dude, maybe just cut back a little bit.... James  innocent whistle Does that count as a backlink Mr. Jay ....lol |
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Here's my 2 cents... I've thoroughly read the thread and appreciate all the advice. I now know what I should do and luckily my decision doesn't create any cognitive dissonance for me. Regardless of creating backlinks etc... I WILL keep my hard work (i.e. articles) on my OWN site. I am not willing to give my content to EZA or other article submission sites. Why should they post my material and reap the rewards? I came across someone on another IM forum. He discussed how he built his site and how he created 2000 pages of content (I checked out his site and it's true). I couldn't verify that his content was unique, although he admitted that it was. He showed some google analytic stats and he seems to be doing quite well with his trafiic (his conversions are another story). I will attempt to produce a 'sick' number of pages for my site and I will refrain from submitting them elsewhere. I want to go with my gut here and try it. Perhaps it's a combination of pride and ego, I don't care. I want to build my house with my own hands and bricks. I'll let you all know how my 'experiment' goes. |
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when you put it on YOUR site...do you put it on your money site or your BLOG site?
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08-02-2009, 11:30 AM
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Allen, Just wanted to let you know that I went and listened to the Chris Knight interview and is was great, thanks for posting such an informative source of great information. Joel |
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For me, it is always to post on your site first. While some of the reasons has been added by Allen, James and Keith, without going into technical detail, I guess it only makes sense that ezine is getting high PR because of fresh content submitter by us everyday... In other words, we are the ones helping ezine get their ranking... though I do love ezine Alot, still it does not make sense to use your content and idea to help build "other people's business". Instead, you should use your articles build your own business, then use it to spread your product/service around... Another thing is.. Even if your articles gets indexed and listed by Google, You still have to take into account about your resource box click through rate... even if you receive 40% click through... a very high rate indeed.. you are still getting 4 out of 10 traffic vs your own article, your own website/blog which gets 10 out of 10.. As for duplicate content.. It IS a myth... lets put it in a rather vague way.. how do Google know who is the original producer ? Google is a bot who only does indexing, a bot. What is Google's concern is only showing up 10 similar content on first page... and the only fair way is, as much as it can, it will try to show one... they will not just go around penalising people... ask - if someone stole my content.. am i getting faulted too ? That would be a long long debate then wouldn't it... anyway.. who started this whole dup content thing ? It has been around long enough and should just die down man... =P |
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I battled with this question for a long time. Now I publish the article only on my site, bookmark it at a few popular sites and wait till it's indexed. I usually wait a couple weeks before publishing it on EZA. This way I'm sure to get the credit for original content. This works for me.
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O.K. first things first....People this is one fantastic thread, I thanked Mr. Allen Graves earlier after going and listening to the Chris Knight interview on Article Marketing, anyway I then came back and have read the entire thread from start to finish and I must say that this is a thread that has some very valuable information. I would like to thank Mr. Allen Graves, Mr. Keith Kogane, JayXtreme, and TheRichJerksNet for giving out some information that has a 6 figure value but giving it away for free. Mr. Says I would also like to vote YES for this to be sticky. Thanks for taking the time to post here, Joel |
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The fact is they have your article plastered with google ads and this is not a bash on EZA. In defense of EZA I will say that some other articles directories are even worse with all their Banner Ads, OTO's during Registration, IM Ads for crappy ebooks, google ads in many places and etc.. Personally for myself I actually got 3 times the traffic from articledashboard vs EZA using the same exact articles but then again I get 10 times the traffic vs EZA using MyArticleNetwork (which is not free but proves the point that free is not always a good thing). There are so many things article directories could do to generate income without plastering your articles with google ads, sorry but that is the hard core truth. Now some say "Well, I expect them to google ads as they must support the site"... Well for those that think that way I feel sorry for you because you have no idea on the sales you lose... Quote:
Now with all that said, understand my post.. I am not in anyway saying you should not post to article directories but use your head. Posting to sites such as EZA and building all your backlinks to those articles only is one of the biggest mistake you can ever make in your business... You should post to article directories but only after you post to your site and build those links to your site (without article directories) once done then you can post to hundreds of article directories. Stop wasting your time wondering what the freaking PR is of this site and that site, just post to it because PR means very little and also understand the Big G is not the only search engine and NO they do not own 85% of search traffic as some self proclaimed experts say. James | ||
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Exactly.... It is sooooo easy to outrank EZA, I do not understand why people do not get that. Big Deal they are a "Authority Site" .. Who cares, do they make me my living online ??? NO!!! I have no problem outranking a EZA article and my authors that post on my article directory also outrank EZA. Huge difference is though unlike many article directories I actually advertise my authors articles, I mean I advertise their actual article url... But fact is and this has been posted with proof several time.. An author can post a article and I can have it listed in google with top listing in 10 minutes even if the same exact article has already been posted live on EZA... Will EZA advertise your article for you as an author ????? Simple, NO!!! James | |
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Hi james, I just read most of the posts in this thread, and before reading it, i too was under the impression you couldnt submit duplicate content. In fact i have spent many many hours rewriting my articles numerous times. I really appreciate the depth you have gone into on each of you replys here. I do have one question (yes there is a lot of information to take in on this thread so forgive me if this has been answered before and i just missed it). Are the backlinks just as effective if the articles are the same on say 10 different articles directories as compared to one? ie for explanation sake say 1 directory submission you get 1point. does that mean submission of the same article to 10 sites you would get 10points? Cheers Conners |
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That is exactly correct... Many try to proclaim that google will not count this or that or even index articles that are posted on many different sites. Every one of them that think this and pass this on as advice have no idea what a business is and they should seriously consider changing careers. Look at it like this - There are many newspapers that reprint the same exact content over and over. Do they lose any sales doing this ? No, they actually do not and in some cases they may even increase their subscribers if the content published is of high quality. They would increase their subscribers not due to the fact that they just published the same information again but due to the fact of "new" people that never seen the content now have a chance to see it. Let's assume that the newpaper just took over 3 new locations which they have never been in before. You see they now have these new people and eventhough they are printing the same exact content they did before these new people have never seen it and thus it is new to them. If these 3 new locations brings in even 100 new subscribers every month, it is well worth it to print the same content again because it is making the newspaper additional income while saving on the cost on printing the newspaper to begin with. If they can obtain 3 new locations every month and stay up with a steady flow of 100 new subscribers for each location then not long from now the newspaper will be able to expand their business... And they did it with what some call "Duplicate Content". The same applies here with articles and article directories. Yes submitting to thousands of article directories "DOES" make a difference. Some self proclaimed experts will tell you it is a waste of time but again as I said they need to change careers because they have no idea what they talk about. Now spinning your articles does have it's benefits and sometimes can increase the number of publishers that pickup your articles to post on their blogs. So it is a good idea to post the same content and spin content at the same time and again you do need to post to hundreds or even thousands of places. Some will tell you many article directories are worthless.. Well while this may be true if you are using a submitter to submit the article, it does not hurt anything at all to submit to as many as possible. Your key is here not to build all your links to those directories, the majority of your links should be built to your site / blog. I know that is more than what you asked for but nothing wrong with being detailed...lol James | |
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I hope you don't mind me giving my 1 cent on this topic - I'll be quick. Most article directory owners prefer original content, but... I believe there's only one good reason to submit your content to another site. Traffic (user impressions/visibility). Seems to me, that you're going to get that... anyway (once your article has been submitted), so why would you also want to give away the authority? You should ask yourself - Who deserves authority (Search Engine Recognition) for your article? (Which site should be recognized as the original content author?) It's really that simple. P.S. Disclaimer: This has nothing (or little) to do with SEP. EZA will often (if not always) out rank you..., but this may not be true with other Article Directories. Your mileage may vary. |
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I post the article - about 5 points about the topic to EZA The remaining 5 points are posted in my blog So at the end of the article,i ask the visitor to visit my blog for other points.This way,the reader is made to click and get the other information.Let me know how you feel about my strategy.And this gets me around 20 percent click through. |
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20% click through isn't bad and that is an interesting technique that I think could work for my blog as well. Thanks for the advice |
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Has anyone considered using both methods and reaping the advantages of everything? For some articles, I post on EZA first because I know that EZA is going to get the leg up in the search engines. I know I can probably build a respectable site but for a pretty competitive keyword, it is going to be hard to outrank an EZA article. For other articles, I post on my own sites first because I want to send the article to my subscribers or use it to build up a massive content site. Also, if the keyword is very sparse in terms of competitors, it may be a good idea to post on your site and get the ranking, plus the Adsense commissions (which would have gone to EZA if posted there), subscribers and sales. Fabian |
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Good thread. Can someone provide conclusive proof that 1 article placed on 20 sites will provide the same link love as 20 articles placed on 20 sites? I'm utterly confused about this all right now. |
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I don't know what you want as conclusive proof, but you could easily prove it to yourself. A link is a link is a link when it comes from the same site. | |
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I want proof because right now there's 2 sets of opinions. Both are posting as "fact" and claiming the other has no proof. This would provide proof. The article provides all the link love by setting it's context, being good enough to get backlinks organically and therefore setting the importance of the link. It is the liquid that gets poured down the funnel that is the link to land in the pot of the recipient site. |
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Actually, if you are going to submit the same article, it depends on how well developed your website is. EZA IS an authority site and if your looking for quicker search engine rankings, and your site is not very well developed, post it on EZA FIRST. That will allow the copy on EZA to be indexed first. Sites with more authority have a higher likelyhood to get higher in the search engines, taking all linking to that article out of the picture. |
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now you listen to me, and I will only say this once! put your article on your own site first!!!  |
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EZA is NOT an authority site... Many "think" that because many "say" that.. Just because I say I am a magician does not make me one... I wonder what is EZA's true consumer visitors ~vs~ article maketers/competition/publishers that just browser the site to get ideas on new products or for new articles... I can bet that the actual "true" traffic is a great deal less than you think. I will say it again ... You can outrank an EZA article with little trouble and you do not have to put up with all the google ads that takes away visits to your site... James | |
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For newbies Ezine can be a great resource to get quick traffic that soon dies out unless you build backlinks to them, but these backlinks are so much more valuable to a starting IMer. I never use the same article on Ezine as I use on my site. Why not just re-write the article. It only takes 5 minutes to rewrite an article. After a while you can become a pro at it and do 20 or so a day without even breaking out a sweat. |
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I really don't see what is so confusing to people about this simple and effective traffic strategy. Post your original keyword-rich article on your own site for good rankings. Rewrite the article to 30-40% uniqueness per iteration (super easy to do with even the most basic spinner and a little grammatical common sense), be sure to cement your link in there really tight, and spin your anchor text a little so you don't keep showing up for the same exact keyphrase over and over. Start by posting unique iterations of your article to the top tier article sites. Follow up by posting to the 2nd tier article sites. Follow that up by offering guest blog articles on top blogsites in your niche. Follow that up by using some of the content to answer questions on forums and things like Yahoo Answers. The goals are twofold: get good keyword rankings for your moneypage, and get direct traffic through consumer-relevant content. Write a decent article for your market, make it yummy for google, and cast your bread upon the internet waters in delicious bitesized chunks. Wow kids, not brain surgery. |
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"Faaaaaaarts in the wiiiiiiiiind." They don't want to hear it. They can't see that if you give the article to ezine, YOU are why THEY are the authority, and you are one step farther away from making your own site a niche authority. How does that make ANY SENSE!? If what that guy said was true, you could re-state it like this: How to make an authority website, Step 1: Give your unique content away to another site to help their authority. Now, I'm not a doctor, but that looks broken to me. But people go right on believing that and doing that because that's what happens when people only read and believe (because it's easy) and don't test or think (because it's hard). And to your point about Ezine's traffic? It's probably my own personal second most visited site. You know though, you raise an interesting point that gives me a devious idea. So THANKS! | |
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your site vs EZA Long term vs short term building your biz vs building other ppl biz 100% traffic vs 30% traffic Dollars vs Pennies I guess this would help decide which direction to go ^^ | |
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Yet no-one has posted proof that duplicate content is good or bad. Before you go on yet another copy paste DUPLICATE CONTENT IS A MYTH MMKAY rampage - I'm not actually arguiing either way - I'd just like something concrete rather than 1 persons word vs another. And as you guys are so sure I assume you've got something concrete I can see. |
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I proved it to myself, rather than demanding it from someone else. What are you here for if you want everything handed to you. Try it - your result is going to be one or the other, either way, then you'll know, won't you? What a brat, lol. | |
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That your site get de-listed from search engine ? If you are afraid, I guess you can play "safe" by following the "safest route. This is Taken from Google Webmaster Blog: What Is Google's Intention - What they will try to do. "Google tries hard to index and show pages with distinct information. This filtering means, for instance, that if your site has a "regular" and "printer" version of each article, and neither of these is blocked in robots.txt or with a noindex meta tag, we'll choose one of them to list." This means Google will try hard to list the most appropriate of them all. You would not imagine showing up 10 same articles on the first page of Google search for a single search term ya ? User experience. Duplicate Content Penaty ? "Duplicate content on a site is not grounds for action on that site unless it appears that the intent of the duplicate content is to be deceptive and manipulate search engine results. If your site suffers from duplicate content issues, and you don't follow the advice listed above, we do a good job of choosing a version of the content to show in our search results." So.. worse case senerio, the "best version" is still shown. What to do if you were to post to article directories ? "If you syndicate your content on other sites, Google will always show the version we think is most appropriate for users in each given search, which may or may not be the version you'd prefer. However, it is helpful to ensure that each site on which your content is syndicated includes a link back to your original article" Post on your site first, giving it its original value then submit it to article directories and put a link back to your site. - Which gives you more reason to put your article on your site first. I believe you cannot get any safer than this. Even if you are SUPER skeptical about the take on Duplicate Content is a myth, this will ease all your worries and no lnger be afraid of duplicate content. and yes.. Duplicate Content is a myth.. Hope this helps Kenji Tay PS: Google is a bot and nothing else. What it does is just indexing and tries to come out with the most relevant results for user experience. If the whole dupliate content thingy is such an issue, the Internet would not be the biggest Information sharing medium today and that is going to affect the search engine too ! PSS: If duplicate content was an issue, article directories would suffered because they contain so much duplicate contents from webmasters and publishers.. yet... do you see how well they are doing ? PSSS: Shall we end this duplcate content issue already...? man.. | |
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08-10-2009, 01:21 PM
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I prove to myself, my customers, my mastermind groups and members of my products each and every day that duplicate content is a myth.. As a sidenote to almost everything that myself, James or Keith have been saying here.. we have also said that you should never take the word of any forum member as gospel.. don't take it blindly as fact... Take what you can from each post here and test it in your own business to get answers and the tangible results (read: proof) that you need... Our opinions are those of educated minds in this field. Rigorous testing and actual statistics in this field have allowed us to form strong opinions that we know to be true and correct... but that doesn't mean you HAVE to believe it.. test it for yourself to get the answers you need. Peace Jay p.s. If you want real quick proof... 10 minutes searching on Google will give you all you need | |
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08-10-2009, 01:29 PM
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Ha Ha.. Payback is a bummer huh Jay, I owed you that ... James | |
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