Article on site or EZA first ?

[Alminc]

Hi guys,

This is really amazing thread, I read it up to page 6 and then my head was
full of questions, so I jumped over some pages to write this post.

Thanks to some advanced warriors such as James, Peter Gibson, Allen,
etc. I learned that the best way to publish my own articles is:

1. Publish the article first on my site
2. Bookmark the article, submit my rss feeds from bookmarking sites
3. Submit the article at EZA
4. Submit the same article to other 10 major article directories
5. Mass submit the same article (spinned or not) to as many sites/directories as I wish

and all that without worrying about duplicate content, because it's a myth.

I recently asked the question at EZA if I must submit my articles to EZA
first or not and one of the editors answered me that I can submit my
articles first on my site, or even other directories, but I just need to
make it clear that I am the author, either by using the same resource
box or copyright notice.

Here is the answer I got:

Hi Almin,
You can submit your articles to any other site that you would like to.
One thing we recommend when doing so, is to associate the articles with your author name here so there won't be any disputes when it comes to content similar to another source.
Please let me know if I can be of any further assistance.
Thank you,
Vanessa
http://EzineArticles.com/
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At 07:16 AM 8/1/2009 Saturday, you wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> You say that articles must be original, but does that mean that the articles must be published on Ezine Articles first? Can I first publish my articles on my own websites before I submit them here? 
> 
> Can I also publish my articles on other major article directories? 
> In what order? Does it matter? 
> 
> Please explain this to me as detailed as you can. 
> 
> 
> Regards 
> Almin

I have a question about RSS feeds submission. I have blogs and I
submitted my RSS feeds to all major RSS directories, but only once.

I read somewhere that you can be banned by RSS directories if you keep
re-submitting the same RSS feed.

Is that true? Do I really have to submit my RSS feed only once?
What will happen if I re-submit the same feed?
Is it enough to submit only once?


Almin

Originally Posted by Alminc

I have a question about RSS feeds submission. I have blogs and I
submitted my RSS feeds to all major RSS directories, but only once.

I read somewhere that you can be banned by RSS directories if you keep
re-submitting the same RSS feed.

Is that true? Do I really have to submit my RSS feed only once?
What will happen if I re-submit the same feed?
Is it enough to submit only once?


Almin

Hey Almin,
Rss Feeds only need submitted once because once they are in the database they stay there. I personally have never heard of a Rss Directory banning an account because they submit (or try to submit) a url more than once. All that really happens is it rejects the duplicate submission.

Since it is already in the database there is no need to submit more than once. You can always find new sites to submit it to though, there are thousands if you search google...

James

[peter gibson]

Originally Posted by Alminc

Hi guys,

This is really amazing thread, I read it up to page 6 and then my head was
full of questions, so I jumped over some pages to write this post.

Thanks to some advanced warriors such as James, Peter Gibson, Allen,
etc. I learned that the best way to publish my own articles is:

1. Publish the article first on my site
2. Bookmark the article, submit my rss feeds from bookmarking sites
3. Submit the article at EZA
4. Submit the same article to other 10 major article directories
5. Mass submit the same article (spinned or not) to as many sites/directories as I wish

and all that without worrying about duplicate content, because it's a myth.

I recently asked the question at EZA if I must submit my articles to EZA
first or not and one of the editors answered me that I can submit my
articles first on my site, or even other directories, but I just need to
make it clear that I am the author, either by using the same resource
box or copyright notice.

Here is the answer I got:

Hi Almin,
You can submit your articles to any other site that you would like to.
One thing we recommend when doing so, is to associate the articles with your author name here so there won't be any disputes when it comes to content similar to another source.
Please let me know if I can be of any further assistance.
Thank you,
Vanessa
http://EzineArticles.com/
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At 07:16 AM 8/1/2009 Saturday, you wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> You say that articles must be original, but does that mean that the articles must be published on Ezine Articles first? Can I first publish my articles on my own websites before I submit them here? 
> 
> Can I also publish my articles on other major article directories? 
> In what order? Does it matter? 
> 
> Please explain this to me as detailed as you can. 
> 
> 
> Regards 
> Almin

I have a question about RSS feeds submission. I have blogs and I
submitted my RSS feeds to all major RSS directories, but only once.

I read somewhere that you can be banned by RSS directories if you keep
re-submitting the same RSS feed.

Is that true? Do I really have to submit my RSS feed only once?
What will happen if I re-submit the same feed?
Is it enough to submit only once?


Almin

Almin,

Firstly, thanks for the kudos. It's good to know that not everyone speaks Martian around here Also some big ups from me for getting the word from the EZAhorses mouth on this ridiculous matter! Well done mate!

As for RSS feeds, you'll want to avoid submitting the same feed as you can potentially run into problems - however a lot of feed submitters now have safeguards against aggressive submissions.

I just simply ping any new content I have on my sites. So, let's say I've just written an article on a blog, before I even leave the page I'll ping all the necessary spots with that new url/content, to let the powers that be know to come, crawl around and index the new content. It really makes no sense to do so twice.

As far as I know you are doing nothing wrong by going that route, but I'm curious to find out what James, Keith, Jay et all has to say on the matter. I've never considered RSS feeds a huge priority until lately, which is an oversight on my part for sure. But I can tell you that from my experience - pinging new content is not going to hurt anything, and submiting the same stuff more than once is redundant.

Originally Posted by peter gibson

Almin,

Firstly, thanks for the kudos. It's good to know that not everyone speaks Martian around here Also some big ups from me for getting the word from the EZAhorses mouth on this ridiculous matter! Well done mate!

As for RSS feeds, you'll want to avoid submitting the same feed as you can potentially run into problems - however a lot of feed submitters now have safeguards against aggressive submissions.

I just simply ping any new content I have on my sites. So, let's say I've just written an article on a blog, before I even leave the page I'll ping all the necessary spots with that new url/content, to let the powers that be know to come, crawl around and index the new content. It really makes no sense to do so twice.

As far as I know you are doing nothing wrong by going that route, but I'm curious to find out what James, Keith, Jay et all has to say on the matter. I've never considered RSS feeds a huge priority until lately, which is an oversight on my part for sure. But I can tell you that from my experience - pinging new content is not going to hurt anything, and submiting the same stuff more than once is redundant.

Peter,
Yeah it can help greatly by submitting your RSS Feed... Since the feeds can only be submitted once many find it a waste of money to buy rss feed submission software and personally I have not seen one solution to date that is decent on rss submissions.

I am doing upgrades on my site and I will be releaseing the most advanced article submitter that will be 100% automative, not even a email address will be required. I may just build in a rss feed submitter for my members while I am at it ...

Here is the thing on Rss Feeds though, many never use them to the full extent of what they can be used for... Did you know a PodCast is nothing more than a Rss Feeds ??? Did you know many places such as squidoo and facebook allow you to display your Rss Feeds on your profiles ???

I have my Rss Feed from AP on FaceBook so everytime a article is approved it displays on facebook. This is extra exposure for my authors. I also created a related squidoo lens (although I am by far an expert there..lol) and it also displays the rss feed of articles.

I have not done anything with podcast, YET!! but when time allows I will probably venture over to Apple and set it up, I already registered and verified my iTunes account.

There are many more uses for Rss Feeds but as I said many never take full advantage here, the point is to get your message out there, everyplace you can think of... No matter what the PR or Traffic stats of this site or that site is. I can tell you now many of my clients come from low end websites that has little traffic and trust me I have had clients that have paid me $30,000 to build a site. This is why I always push for people to stop spending all their time looking for high pr sites, the amount of time they waste they could have been posted on 100 websites by them just looking for that one perfect high pr site.

Anyways I guess that is more information than was asked but as they say Over-Deliver on whatever you do ..lol

James

P.S. Ping - Yes very very good idea! I have a blog post on my WF profile about this...

[Paul Hancox]

Allen, that's an interesting perspective and it makes a lot of sense.

A lot of people tell you to ignore searches under, say, 500 a month... but as you point out, that could be leaving money on the table!

Plus, it may be even easier to get highly ranked for these low searched keywords, because everyone else is ignoring them

And if you target them correctly, they could be EVEN MORE responsive, simply because few other people have bothered targeting them.

This entire thread deserves awards.

[Alminc]

I used Big Mike's RSSBot software and submited my RSS feeds to 25-30
aggregator sites. As I understand the concept, by submitting your feed
to directories you make it available for people who are building blogs
or similar news-y sites based on RSS feeds. If they pick your feed your
excerpts are then syndicated.

I would like to know the way to automatically submit RSS feed to much
more than 30 sites. Doing it manually with 100s of sites would be too
time consuming.

There are some other things I would like to hear your opinion about,
namely how effective in terms of getting traffic is mass article submission?
For example if I use Article Marketer for mass submission, will that
generate considerable traffic through the resource box link? What
is your experience with that type of submissions?
Also, how many articles per month is needed to see some good traffic?

Next, in terms of backlinks, does it really pay to spin articles, and use
submitters like Article Post Robot that submittes somewhat unique
version of the article to each directory?

[mentorondemand]

What a great informative thread.

When i first started reading I thought
hey let me show them the way, however
i must say I got more from just reading
and listening.

Thanks to all the great advise

[sikaz]

I think it is much better to put your article on your site first and later rewrite to send to EZA.I do this myself.

[Teriss]

Posting to your own site first an original article -unique and not posted elsewhere makes you the originator of the article by your post date. Write a similar article a few days later -on Ezine linking to your site and original article. The search engines follow the link back to your site and your not "giving away" your best content to ezine.

Google loves ezine-and their articles have stickiness while ranking high for your topic /and/or keyword. Ezine seems to always get top positions in Google's 1st page. So if both lead back to your site, er your sales page - that's a good thing right? This is what I was told a few yrs ago, don't know if this method has changed but it works for me.

[Rick B]

I just wanted to check in with my first message here to let you guys and gals know that there are a few of us newbies who read for a while before we post at a new forum. That saved me from being one of the dreaded "Duplicate Content Is Bad" guys.

I really appreciate your sharing this information as I was spending many hours rewriting articles because I believed that the links wouldn't count from duplicate article sites!

I can provide proof of one of the points that has been discussed here. EzineArticles definitely will accept articles that are already listed at Google. I submitted a half dozen articles through iSnare's distribution service about six months ago and they all had hundreds of listings at Google from different article sites. I noticed that some of the highest ranking article sites did not have those articles listed (including EZA) and submitted them manually. EZA accepted all of them. I do use my real name on all submissions so that may have assured them that they were my articles (or they just didn't bother to check). In any case, they will definitely not only accept articles that you first put at your site, they also accept them if they've been mass-distributed. Or at least they did in my case for six articles.

Thanks again for this terrific thread!

Hi Rick,
Welcome to the forum and thanks for taking the time to read the thread.

I would like to add that spun articles actually do have many uses, I have posted this many times and should actual post it on my WF Blog..lol

Spun articles - Although as I said this is your choice to spin or not, it is NOT required.

By spinning your articles you can get the following benefits

* More publishers will pickup and republish your articles because the same exact article is not posted on 1,000's of sites.

* The spun versions can be used to create short reports to help build a opt-in list.

* The spun versions can be split up and used for short blog post.

* The spun versions can be packaged and sold as a PLR product.

* The spun articles can be used on sites such as MyArticleNetwork.com (where many blog owners will pick them up and republish them)

* The spun versions can be used to create squidoo lenses and hubpages

* The spun versions can be created into pdf's and posted on document sharing sites like scribd.com

* There are many more uses, the uses of spun articles is only limited by your imagination...

James

Originally Posted by Rick B

I just wanted to check in with my first message here to let you guys and gals know that there are a few of us newbies who read for a while before we post at a new forum. That saved me from being one of the dreaded "Duplicate Content Is Bad" guys.

I really appreciate your sharing this information as I was spending many hours rewriting articles because I believed that the links wouldn't count from duplicate article sites!

I can provide proof of one of the points that has been discussed here. EzineArticles definitely will accept articles that are already listed at Google. I submitted a half dozen articles through iSnare's distribution service about six months ago and they all had hundreds of listings at Google from different article sites. I noticed that some of the highest ranking article sites did not have those articles listed (including EZA) and submitted them manually. EZA accepted all of them. I do use my real name on all submissions so that may have assured them that they were my articles (or they just didn't bother to check). In any case, they will definitely not only accept articles that you first put at your site, they also accept them if they've been mass-distributed. Or at least they did in my case for six articles.

Thanks again for this terrific thread!

[beninewie]

But if I submit my article to my blog and EZA I'll get hit by the duplicate content penalty........


muhahahahahahaha I think I just made Peter, Jay, Allen, James, Keith, and all the others I have missed have a little coniption fit

Fantastic thread guys, heaps of great info! For those reading this, here's my two cents about the best kinds of information (in order):

1. Information I have tested myself and proven to be true
2. Information from people with a proven track record that has been tested and shown to be true.
3. The rest isn't worth the time it takes to read

So with that in mind I would suggest everyone who's taken the time to read this thread go and write an article, then go try one of the great plans suggested earlier by the guys I mentioned above. That way instead of relying on other peoples information, you'll have your very own and that's always better!

Cheers,
Ben

Hi Ben,
Yeah must admit you had me going there for a minute ... Good one ..lol

James

Originally Posted by beninewie

But if I submit my article to my blog and EZA I'll get hit by the duplicate content penalty........


muhahahahahahaha I think I just made Peter, Jay, Allen, James, Keith, and all the others I have missed have a little coniption fit

Fantastic thread guys, heaps of great info! For those reading this, here's my two cents about the best kinds of information (in order):

1. Information I have tested myself and proven to be true
2. Information from people with a proven track record that has been tested and shown to be true.
3. The rest isn't worth the time it takes to read

So with that in mind I would suggest everyone who's taken the time to read this thread go and write an article, then go try one of the great plans suggested earlier by the guys I mentioned above. That way instead of relying on other peoples information, you'll have your very own and that's always better!

Cheers,
Ben

[Christie Love]

To bypass the confusion on which to submit an article to, first, I rewrite all my articles, just to be on the safe side.

[opportunites]

Originally Posted by gjedda63

I have read a bunch of threads about article marketing and have a question. Is it best to put an new article into your website first and next to EZA or whatever you prefer ?
There is different opinion about this. What do you recommend and why ?
Thx. superb forum by the way..Didnt know about it until recently.

I think the best strategy is to write not only one articles but as many as possible.
First of all make sure you write a very good article with target keyword or key phrase and publish it in you blog. then write 6 or more articles related to the same niche that you will publish in the web 2.0 site (squidoo, scribd, hubpages...) or articles directories, direct one link to your main site and create a link wheel with the 6 other articles.

Rinse, repeat as often as possible!

[dealers]

Web 2.0 second, build the value of your own web site first.

[PageOneWD]

I just spent the last 4 hours reading this thread and it was just want I was looking for. As far as article do's & don’ts I am good now! Many of the myths you have dispelled were beliefs of mine for many years. Looking back I am not sure where those beliefs came from… Anyway, I have two questions…

1. You write an article, post it to your website, THEN submit it to the directories…
a. Do you want the article to link back to the matching article on your website or some other page, possibly both?


2. I have seen submitting to RSS feeds mentioned allot on the later pages of this thread. I went out and did some reading on this and there is allot of conflicting information on the proper was to do this. Is there a thread or resource on the WF that DOES have the correct information on RSS feeds? I just don’t want to climb the wrong preverbal tree if you know what I mean.

Thanks,
David

[Allen Graves]

I just reread the entire thread too...and it took me so long that I think a lot of it is obsolete already!!!

Anyhow, off to submit some content to EZA first.

LOL - JK

[LynnM]

Originally Posted by PageOneWD

You write an article, post it to your website, THEN submit it to the directories…
a. Do you want the article to link back to the matching article on your website or some other page, possibly both?

It's best to link back to a different page that contains another article, or something like an opt-in page.

Lynn

[Serenity090]

Impressive and very informative Thread.....

Seems like some extensive research work is being carried out in some GREAT institute...

Thanks all for your great contribution, especially of those who practically tested several ideas, explained in this thread, and shared the results....

Regards and Thanks All again.

[plibb]

I post it on the site that I want it on first, do some social bookmarking and then post it to the articles sites after about a week.

[EricThor]

Isn't this topic irrelevant now and forever?

I post about 200 backlinks per month to my sites and no longer give my articles away - I get on the 1st page of Google in no time and #1 many times. Costs me about $15 and 1 full day of my time per month.

When someone finds my articles I know it was my hard work and not a company making money from selling competitive Google ads off of my articles. If anyone is going to make money from my work its me.

So who needs to put the time into spinning and supplying articles to article warehouses anymore? I sure don't.

Did I miss something?

Originally Posted by EricThor

Isn't this topic irrelevant now and forever?

I post about 200 backlinks per month to my sites and no longer give my articles away - I get on the 1st page of Google in no time and #1 many times. Costs me about $15 and 1 full day of my time per month.

When someone finds my articles I know it was my hard work and not a company making money from selling competitive Google ads off of my articles. If anyone is going to make money from my work its me.

So who needs to put the time into spinning and supplying articles to article warehouses anymore? I sure don't.

Did I miss something?

You missed a great deal, go back to page one and read the thread before posting to it ... Then you will understand why you are missing something..

James

[EricThor]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

You missed a great deal, go back to page one and read the thread before posting to it ... Then you will understand why you are missing something..

James

Isn't sending an article to EZA all about the backlink that you will be awarded for your effort? That's one link and if its syndicated more will follow.

The hoops that EZA makes me go through are truly intrusive:

• They tell me if my article is right or wrong
• They don't want duplicate content yet they sell it
• They tell me if my website is up to their standards
• They take their sweet time reviewing my article
• They invite competitors to compete against me when folks read my article

On the other hand I could have put 3 links on each of 200 websites PR 8,7,6,5,and 4 for the month.


I see no reason to ever submit another article to any article warehouse.

Again I ask, what am I missing here?

Originally Posted by EricThor

Isn't sending an article to EZA all about the backlink that you will be awarded for your effort? That's one link and if its syndicated more will follow.

The hoops that EZA makes me go through are truly intrusive:

• They tell me if my article is right or wrong
• They don't want duplicate content yet they sell it
• They tell me if my website is up to their standards
• They take their sweet time reviewing my article
• They invite competitors to compete against me when folks read my article

On the other hand I could have put 3 links on each of 200 websites PR 8,7,6,5,and 4 for the month.


I see no reason to ever submit another article to any article warehouse.

Again I ask, what am I missing here?

While I am not going to get into the PR crap again because frankly I do not feel like it right now as I just spent until 3:30am at the emergency room, followed up by spending the entire day at my doctors.

I will say this.. I do not submit to EZA because I do not agree with their methods, this is my decision but I do not push my opinion on someone else. Point #1 - What you are missing is that there are some article directories that are 100% ad free that could boost you even better than a so called PR 7 site, there are some article directories like ArticlesBase that can increase your rankings..

Point #2 - I have 12 PM's and Emails from people that are doing the plan I posted on page 1 of this thread and they are finally making money. I applaud these people for taking action and doing something that is actually helping them...

Again read the thread before just posting....

James

[whateverpedia]

Originally Posted by Christie Love

To bypass the confusion on which to submit an article to, first, I rewrite all my articles, just to be on the safe side.

Exactly. When in doubt always err on the side of caution.

[EricThor]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

While I am not going to get into the PR crap again because frankly I do not feel like it right now as I just spent until 3:30am at the emergency room, followed up by spending the entire day at my doctors.

I will say this.. I do not submit to EZA because I do not agree with their methods, this is my decision but I do not push my opinion on someone else. Point #1 - What you are missing is that there are some article directories that are 100% ad free that could boost you even better than a so called PR 7 site, there are some article directories like ArticlesBase that can increase your rankings..

Point #2 - I have 12 PM's and Emails from people that are doing the plan I posted on page 1 of this thread and they are finally making money. I applaud these people for taking action and doing something that is actually helping them...

Again read the thread before just posting....

James

Here is the OP's #1 post:

"I have read a bunch of threads about article marketing and have a question. Is it best to put an new article into your website first and next to EZA or whatever you prefer ?
There is different opinion about this. What do you recommend and why ?
Thx. superb forum by the way..Didnt know about it until recently. "

What I am suggesting is that you write your article, for just your website, and then spend the time building backlinks that you have 100% control over - you do it yourself and just leave the article warehouses out of this.

To me the idea of article warehouses is just antiquated with the ability to build an unlimited amount of backlinks from PR 4-8 sites. Why mess around with EZA and all their BS?

I am still interested in knowing why folks spin and send in articles to article warehouses - it seems like your time would be better spent controlling your own destiny and YOU supply the backlinks.

I can have a PR 8 or 7 backlink in 1 minute and it will show up in a higher placement on the search page in just hours. I play the Google dance and crank out articles and backlinks to keep on page 1 or position 1 of Google.

Hard to do that with EZA and a long holiday weekend where everyone went home. In the time they respond to just 1 article I can have 100 PR 8 -4 links installed and Google reflecting the new authority sites.

Now if this is NOT about backlinks I'd like to know just what its about?

And I am looking for an answer and not some comment that answers nothing.

[dou9las]

Originally Posted by EricThor

Isn't this topic irrelevant now and forever?

I post about 200 backlinks per month to my sites and no longer give my articles away - I get on the 1st page of Google in no time and #1 many times. Costs me about $15 and 1 full day of my time per month.

When someone finds my articles I know it was my hard work and not a company making money from selling competitive Google ads off of my articles. If anyone is going to make money from my work its me.

So who needs to put the time into spinning and supplying articles to article warehouses anymore? I sure don't.

Did I miss something?

Eric, can you either post, or PM me, with some info on this? You mentioned that you can get high PR links for cheap, and quickly, and it sounds like your not neccessarily trying to hide your methods (correct me if so..) but I would LOVE to know what you are doing.

I love this thread, and a similar one that is going on in parallel...I have been struggling over whether or not I need to worry about being able to rank well with articles used on both my blogs/sites and the directories, i.e. if one or the other gets wasted (dupe content.)

Seems like what is emerging is that myths about dupe content should be ignored (as it applies to article marketing) and that ranking a niche blog better than EZA or others is actually way more realistic than conventional SEO wisdom would prescribe, both based on frequently updated content and backlinking.

To me, all else being equal, I would think that a newbie, or someone not yet established in a niche, would by default do both. But, I totally agree with you and the other posters that unanimously agree that investing in your own web real estate is a way smarter play than renting it from EZA or the others.

However, by using both, your getting all the benefits of stuffing your blog with unique content that gets well ranked BUT, with all the exposure, and bonus backlinks, that you get from distributing content through the article directories.

Here's an example that I experienced very recently. I wrote an article and published it at EZA a months ago, which I just forgot about as I moved on with other articles and niches. Then suddenly, I started getting a noticeable spike in traffic from this particular article, for the first time.

I never did a thing for backlinking on that particular article prior to making the discovery that not only was it ranking on the first page of Google for my targeted keyword, but when I do a "link:myarticle.com" operator at Google, it returns 38 registered backlinks (not bad for GGL, considering it shows you just a small % of actual count..) and even more revealing: at Yahoo, that article is returning 1400+ backlinks..

In case anyone is interested, here's the article:
Cheap Home Phone Service

Some of those links may or may not be from publishers, but the majority of those links originate with Ezinearticles. I believe this is primarily owing to the fact that the article itself emerged as one of the "most read in category" which puts a link to it on every page of every article in its category. (And I saw that a couple of weeks ago, so don't quote me, it may no longer be on the "most read' list...)

Not that this is typical of course, and I am not arguing this would be a good reason to submit to EZA and nowhere else, just that I was surprised to see this, and it leads me again back to, doing anything but publishing at both (blog and directories) would be essentially leaving traffic (i.e. $) on the table. Of course, always prioritizing your own blog/site first.

Also, to me it's just a reminder that if you do publish at the article directories, the better your content, in addition to higher CTRs and sales, the greater SEO value you get in the long run.

Hmm. I wonder if this would make a good WSO: "How to Get Your EZA Article in the Most Read Category for THOUSANDS of Backlinks and TONS of Traffic and Sales..." (okay, that's a little much )

[breakdance]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

While I am not going to get into the PR crap again because frankly I do not feel like it right now as I just spent until 3:30am at the emergency room, followed up by spending the entire day at my doctors.

I will say this.. I do not submit to EZA because I do not agree with their methods, this is my decision but I do not push my opinion on someone else. Point #1 - What you are missing is that there are some article directories that are 100% ad free that could boost you even better than a so called PR 7 site, there are some article directories like ArticlesBase that can increase your rankings..

Point #2 - I have 12 PM's and Emails from people that are doing the plan I posted on page 1 of this thread and they are finally making money. I applaud these people for taking action and doing something that is actually helping them...

Again read the thread before just posting....

James

Mr. James, did you receive my e-mail yet?

Originally Posted by breakdance

Mr. James, did you receive my e-mail yet?

Yes.. It is currently unread, I will respond when I get a minute and give you a link to a detailed answer.

James

[breakdance]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Yes.. It is currently unread, I will respond when I get a minute and give you a link to a detailed answer.

James

Thanks Mr. James!

Originally Posted by breakdance

Thanks Mr. James!

You're welcome ... I just sent you a highly detailed answer to your questions...

James

[DyLan Lee]

EZA first, you can get huge traffic to your site. Although you are making them EZA more famous, but you earn fast.

With the money you earn, you can invest in SEO to make you site top rank in browser or google adwords to generate leads to your site and ultimately your site will really get famous and huge traffic.

If you post on your site, you need many keywords and effort to make it top rank. To me, it is better to post in EZA 1st.

[EricThor]

Originally Posted by dou9las

Eric, can you either post, or PM me, with some info on this? You mentioned that you can get high PR links for cheap, and quickly, and it sounds like your not neccessarily trying to hide your methods (correct me if so..) but I would LOVE to know what you are doing.

I love this thread, and a similar one that is going on in parallel...I have been struggling over whether or not I need to worry about being able to rank well with articles used on both my blogs/sites and the directories, i.e. if one or the other gets wasted (dupe content.)

Seems like what is emerging is that myths about dupe content should be ignored (as it applies to article marketing) and that ranking a niche blog better than EZA or others is actually way more realistic than conventional SEO wisdom would prescribe, both based on frequently updated content and backlinking.

To me, all else being equal, I would think that a newbie, or someone not yet established in a niche, would by default do both. But, I totally agree with you and the other posters that unanimously agree that investing in your own web real estate is a way smarter play than renting it from EZA or the others.

However, by using both, your getting all the benefits of stuffing your blog with unique content that gets well ranked BUT, with all the exposure, and bonus backlinks, that you get from distributing content through the article directories.

Here's an example that I experienced very recently. I wrote an article and published it at EZA a months ago, which I just forgot about as I moved on with other articles and niches. Then suddenly, I started getting a noticeable spike in traffic from this particular article, for the first time.

I never did a thing for backlinking on that particular article prior to making the discovery that not only was it ranking on the first page of Google for my targeted keyword, but when I do a operator at Google, it returns 38 registered backlinks (not bad for GGL, considering it shows you just a small % of actual count..) and even more revealing: at Yahoo, that article is returning 1400+ backlinks..

In case anyone is interested, here's the article:


Some of those links may or may not be from publishers, but the majority of those links originate with Ezinearticles. I believe this is primarily owing to the fact that the article itself emerged as one of the "most read in category" which puts a link to it on every page of every article in its category. (And I saw that a couple of weeks ago, so don't quote me, it may no longer be on the "most read' list...)

Not that this is typical of course, and I am not arguing this would be a good reason to submit to EZA and nowhere else, just that I was surprised to see this, and it leads me again back to, doing anything but publishing at both (blog and directories) would be essentially leaving traffic (i.e. $) on the table. Of course, always prioritizing your own blog/site first.

...)

I used to write articles, spin them, and had a service send them to 400+ article warehouses. Then I subscribed to 2 backlink companies here, Angela Edwards and Paul Johnson and use Comment Kahuna and rank much higher.

That's why I question anyone spending a single second submitting articles to any article warehouse when it seems to be old technology like a buggy whip.

I've done my own tests and have proven to myself that for the time spent building backlinks with these services is much more effective for me.

All of this is really about Google and how important unique articles, every other day, and high ranking backlinks seems to be what it wants right now. Who knows about tomorrow and Google...

Originally Posted by DyLan Lee

EZA first, you can get huge traffic to your site. Although you are making them EZA more famous, but you earn fast.

With the money you earn, you can invest in SEO to make you site top rank in browser or google adwords to generate leads to your site and ultimately your site will really get famous and huge traffic.

If you post on your site, you need many keywords and effort to make it top rank. To me, it is better to post in EZA 1st.

Someone else that did not bother to read the thread ....

If you post on your site, you need many keywords and effort to make it top rank. To me, it is better to post in EZA 1st.

This is 100% incorrect!!!!

James

Originally Posted by EricThor

I used to write articles, spin them, and had a service send them to 400+ article warehouses. Then I subscribed to 2 backlink companies here, Angela Edwards and Paul Johnson and use Comment Kahuna and rank much higher.

That's why I question anyone spending a single second submitting articles to any article warehouse when it seems to be old technology like a buggy whip.

I've done my own tests and have proven to myself that for the time spent building backlinks with these services is much more effective for me.

All of this is really about Google and how important unique articles, every other day, and high ranking backlinks seems to be what it wants right now. Who knows about tomorrow and Google...

This is NOT just about google and spun articles have many more uses besides submitting them to article directories. Not every article directory is a article warehouse either...

James

[EricThor]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

This is NOT just about google and spun articles have many more uses besides submitting them to article directories. Not every article directory is a article warehouse either...

James

I'm sorry, but if you don't think this is ALL about Google then I question everything you say.

Of course this is all about Google. You need to understand that or your marketing efforts are doomed.

All you need is to use the Google search page and understand what new goodies are available FREE to everyone (a bunch in the last 3 months). You don't need any other program but that Google search page to find a zillion niches and Wordpress and $15 per month for the backlinks.

Then use all the other FREE Google tools - no need to buy anything else. (I use the Wonder Wheel 1 hour a day to find new niches)

That and a lot of hard work - but no need to every submit an article to any article warehouse or any other site that is going to make money from your article.

Originally Posted by EricThor

Of course this is all about Google. You need to understand that or your marketing efforts are doomed.

I have run my business full time online for over 15 years and have supported my family, paid for my brand new home, and besides the recent medical bills - I am 100% debt free...

So I am sorry but I will have to respectfully disagree...

James

[EricThor]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

I have run my business full time online for over 15 years and have supported my family, paid for my brand new home, and besides the recent medical bills - I am 100% debt free...

So I am sorry but I will have to respectfully disagree...

James

15 years ago cell phones were the size of a brick - technology is accelerating at an unbelievable pace - Google changes by the day.

In the past 3 months the tools released by Google make much of what is sold for this market obsolete and unnecessary. Same with the techniques. My contention is that article submissions are now inferior to building backlinks.

Google can change tomorrow and some new strategy will become superior.

That's all I'm saying. So to answer the OP's question - write original articles and forget submitting them to anyone. Instead, build backlinks yourself and don't rely on EZA or anyone else to impact your life. (Well, anyone but Google)

Originally Posted by EricThor

15 years ago cell phones were the size of a brick - technology is accelerating at an unbelievable pace - Google changes by the day.

In the past 3 months the tools released by Google make much of what is sold for this market obsolete and unnecessary. Same with the techniques. My contention is that article submissions are now inferior to building backlinks.

Google can change tomorrow and some new strategy will become superior.

That's all I'm saying. So to answer the OP's question - write original articles and forget submitting them to anyone. Instead, build backlinks yourself and don't rely on EZA or anyone else to impact your life. (Well, anyone but Google)

Again you never bothered to even read this thread, the OP was answered many pages ago by proven facts. What you are posting is the reason why some newbies are mislead and why some will fail. You really need to stop posting your opinions as fact.

Google is not what this is all about and no article submissions are not inferior to building backlinks and no Google does not make much of what is sold for this market obsolete and unnecessary. These are not facts at all and you need to stop posting them as such.

If you was not even going to bother to read a thread why reply ???

James

[ChrisJamesG]

Just to add a bit of fuel to the fire, I received this email today:

"...they [EZA] banned me for 3 weeks just because my article appeared on my own blog first. Just because I didn't have a bio at the end of the article on my blog they said they didn't know it was attributed to me. It took ages to work out with them and they finally put be back on but it was such a stuff around."

Originally Posted by ChrisJamesG

Just to add a bit of fuel to the fire, I received this email today:

"...they [EZA] banned me for 3 weeks just because my article appeared on my own blog first. Just because I didn't have a bio at the end of the article on my blog they said they didn't know it was attributed to me. It took ages to work out with them and they finally put be back on but it was such a stuff around."

And who's content is it.... "YOURS", it is not their content. You are building their site up and if they can not appreciate you enough as an author then I would find another site that does. I would not waste my time trying to work out anything with them but that is me.

If any business does not appreciate you as a customer then what do you do ?? Here's a hint... Go find a business that does appreciate you as a customer.

James

[dou9las]

Originally Posted by EricThor

I used to write articles, spin them, and had a service send them to 400+ article warehouses. Then I subscribed to 2 backlink companies here, Angela Edwards and Paul Johnson and use Comment Kahuna and rank much higher.

That's why I question anyone spending a single second submitting articles to any article warehouse when it seems to be old technology like a buggy whip.

I've done my own tests and have proven to myself that for the time spent building backlinks with these services is much more effective for me.

All of this is really about Google and how important unique articles, every other day, and high ranking backlinks seems to be what it wants right now. Who knows about tomorrow and Google...

Eric, thanks for posting those resources and sharing your experience. I have a couple of sites that desperately need a link campaign, perfect timing.

On spinning articles: I recently did a free trial with one of the spin/submit services, and canceled on the 3rd day. It did submit to a hell of a lot of "directories" but most of them looked very questionable in quality and authority, and a large % of those were actually clones of each other. NOT trying to "knock" them, and it does serve a purpose, i.e. some % those articles will have some link value over time (maybe) but I just wasn't that impressed.

Anyway, I've been wanting to ramp up my content publishing, and chasing my tail lately on whether making EZA my first priority for publishing content. I even sat around waiting for more than 2 weeks waiting for a bunch of articles to be approved, prior to doing anything else with that content, all because I thought it was important that it get approved and published there first (!) That's all getting reversed from now on, for me anyway.

I kind of feel like slapping myself after reading this thread . I now feel that, whether I do use EZA or not, I sure as hell will not be letting EZA hold my quality, original articles hostage, and be dead in the water while their editors get around to "approving" my articles.

[AvidAZ]

I'm still a bit confused on this. I generally publish an article to my own site, and then syndicate it out. However, with some article sites I am able to post the same article, but with others like EZA, I have to tweak it as it is flagged as duplicate or unoriginal content.

I usually have to tweak the article enough and resubmit it, but without the EZA pro package, it can delay the approval a week.

[dou9las]

Originally Posted by AvidAZ

I'm still a bit confused on this. I generally publish an article to my own site, and then syndicate it out. However, with some article sites I am able to post the same article, but with others like EZA, I have to tweak it as it is flagged as duplicate or unoriginal content.

I usually have to tweak the article enough and resubmit it, but without the EZA pro package, it can delay the approval a week.

Seems like the consensus from this thread and other similar ones, is that as long as you own the content - i.e. it is published under your name or a pen name that is consistant with one that you have at EZA, then you are completely free to publish that article on EZA before, during, or after you may publish it anywhere else.

I haven't looked it up in their TOS yet, but I have seen posts by more than one person here that adamantly state this to be true, and I have experienced it myself. That is, I have published articles at Goarticles or elsewhere before posting to EZA, and my content was in fact accpeted and published at EZA.

I think EZA is only concerned that you own the content and it was "original" to you, meaning you didn't buy a PLR and republish, or use somethign without owning the copyright to do so. So, in theory, the only reason why so many people believe that you have to use non-dupe content at EZA is based in a mis-interpretation of their TOS, which is perpetuated by marketers over and over again.

I was actually believing the misinterpretation for a while, thinking I must of flew under the radar on a few occasions, until reading this and other related WF threads.

Originally Posted by dou9las

So, in theory, the only reason why so many people believe that you have to use non-dupe content at EZA is based in a mis-interpretation of their TOS, which is perpetuated by marketers over and over again.

I was actually believing the misinterpretation for a while, thinking I must of flew under the radar on a few occasions, until reading this and other related WF threads.

Actually their own forum admin has stated you must submit to EZA first and it must be original.. I read parts of the forum and post by their admin and was frankly discusted at how they instill that misinterpretation into people.

Then when you go look at many many articles on the site they are spun articles (done by one of those cheap crap spinners) and cheap plr articles that makes very little sense.

James

[EricThor]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Again you never bothered to even read this thread, the OP was answered many pages ago by proven facts. What you are posting is the reason why some newbies are mislead and why some will fail. You really need to stop posting your opinions as fact.

Google is not what this is all about and no article submissions are not inferior to building backlinks and no Google does not make much of what is sold for this market obsolete and unnecessary. These are not facts at all and you need to stop posting them as such.

If you was not even going to bother to read a thread why reply ???

James

Of course this is all about Google - Google runs the internet. Look at what they are doing in China - do a Google search over there for the "wrong" phrase and soldiers show up at 4 AM to drag you away. I just met a good friend of mine who is an English translator over in China and it happens all the time. Google reports them to the officials.

Just try clicking on your own website's AdSense ads and you will find out just much Google can impact your life.

Google is what we all need to understand and take advantage of its constantly changing attitudes on how it can make the most money for their stockholders. We all can guess and experiment.

My experience lends itself to the fact that EZA and all the article warehouses are antiquated concepts that worked 6+ months ago but are not now the most efficient way to marshal your limited resources. By the time folks read this Google will be on to the next hot idea to make the most money for their stockholders. My guess it will be whatever folks talk about on the TV news; Twitter 6 months ago, something new next week.

Right now those backlinks and every other day new articles leads to higher Google rankings; at least that's my experience. Social networking is right up their now too. I can see the difference in as little as 60 minutes when I get social networking involved with my websites.

Understand all the wonderful FREE Google tools and you will find that you don't need to go elsewhere for anything. Now you do need a fresh supply of high quality reference locations to place your keyword anchor text links but that just costs a few bucks a month.

These are just my opinions - take them for what you paid for them...

P.S.
Anytime I deal with a company that treats me like dirt I move on. EZA has decided to make it their business how your website looks, if you have too many ads, and generally treats me like rubbish. There is something wrong with that picture - it didn't work for GM and it won't work for other American companies that decide to treat suppliers and customers like garbage.

Sadly I have no real alternatives to Google, Microsoft, eBay, and other monopolies that can easily snuff the life out of small companies if you cross them. They are the Standard Oil of our days and need to be broken up just like we did to AT&T (Ma Bell) decades ago.

[freudianslip27]

Wow, what an eye-opening thread this has been. I had no idea you could pull this off with EZA, as far as the whole duplicate content myth, I have certainly seen benefit from using "duplicate content" and spreading it around.

Matt

Originally Posted by EricThor

Of course this is all about Google - Google runs the internet. Look at what they are doing in China - do a Google search over there for the "wrong" phrase and soldiers show up at 4 AM to drag you away. I just met a good friend of mine who is an English translator over in China and it happens all the time. Google reports them to the officials.

Just try clicking on your own website's AdSense ads and you will find out just much Google can impact your life.

I am sorry but it is NOT all about google and they do NOT run the internet.. OMG!!! Please Stop!!! ... I paid off a $80,000 home in 7 years without google and yes all that income came right from online. Google should be apart of your marketing but it should NOT be considered the only part of your marketing.

I do not have any google ads, if I have some spotted around someplace they are there because I was testing a function with a script I built. I do not have any ad sense websites.

Frankly I tire of this because:

1. You are getting off-topic
2. You are still stating your opinion as fact
3. You are misleading newbies with that type of thinking

If someone wants to stay on the topic at hand then I would be glad to respond... Otherwise I take my leave now...

James

[dou9las]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Actually their own forum admin has stated you must submit to EZA first and it must be original.. I read parts of the forum and post by their admin and was frankly discusted at how they instill that misinterpretation into people.

Then when you go look at many many articles on the site they are spun articles (done by one of those cheap crap spinners) and cheap plr articles that makes very little sense.

James

Well there you go. No wonder this EZA "urban myth" just won't die

Yeah, I have tried a few different spinners - they just totally suck.

I end up with something I would never want to publish in my own name, or a pen name for that matter, because it would just be embarrassing, not to mention ineffective.

Then, by the time I edit it and clean it up, I might as well have just written a new, unique article from scratch.