Article on site or EZA first ?

[dou9las]

Originally Posted by freudianslip27

Wow, what an eye-opening thread this has been. I had no idea you could pull this off with EZA, as far as the whole duplicate content myth...

Totally agree. Kind of liberating even...

[EricThor]

I'll leave you guys with one tip, no matter what you decide to do:

Set up accounts with Bit.ly and track each and every click from your anchor text. I get an accurate count of EVERY anchor text link I use. So whether it's an EZA article or GoArticle or a social networking link you will be able to track and measure how effective that link becomes.

You will have to create unique landing pages so Bit.ly generates a unique link - just add some unique identifier to that landing page. E.g. www (dot) my-web-site (dot) com/Article-about-something-EZA.html would be used for your EZA article, etc.

You can easily hook this up to EVERY post in WP with the Shorten2Ping plug-in.

So go ahead and bend over, grab your ankles, and submit your article to EZA. Then track every click to your keyword anchor links and find out yourself just how beneficial EZA is or for the same amount of time publish 60 backlinks yourself in various PR 8,7,6,5, and 4 sites. (Takes me about 60 minutes to write, submit, and screw around with EZA - takes me 1 minute to add a new backlink myself)

You will quickly prove to yourself that the time spent working on backlinks generates far more visits and with targeting websites that mean something to your website you will get more conversions to sales.

Don't take anyone's word for any of this - prove it yourself with this one little trick. From now on you should be able to track EVERY click from EVERY backlink you generated yourself.

Well, I've exceeded my allotted time on this thread - good luck guys...

[bluefoot]

I apologize if this was asked already, I haven't read all 400 posts in this thread. As far as I can tell, it hasn't.

If you use pen names or aliases for your articles and/or website, how does Ezinearticles know that you're the owner of the content? Do you typically have an email exchange with them and provide proof?

[dou9las]

Originally Posted by bluefoot

I apologize if this was asked already, I haven't read all 400 posts in this thread. As far as I can tell, it hasn't.

If you use pen names or aliases for your articles and/or website, how does Ezinearticles know that you're the owner of the content? Do you typically have an email exchange with them and provide proof?

EZA actually has pen names set up in their platform, called "alternate authors". So, they would look to see if your EZA alternate author (i.e. the one you publish there under) matches the author info wherever else you have published the article.

Originally Posted by bluefoot

I apologize if this was asked already, I haven't read all 400 posts in this thread. As far as I can tell, it hasn't.

If you use pen names or aliases for your articles and/or website, how does Ezinearticles know that you're the owner of the content? Do you typically have an email exchange with them and provide proof?

They don't know and yes you normally have to go through hoops with them. If you used john doe on one site and then jane blane on eza they would give you trouble and probably suspend your account.

This happens when you are so caught up in the clouds that you think you are better than everyone else because many marketers say how great eza is. If you are going to use eza, my advice would be to use the same pen name accross the board for each specific articles for that niche.

James

[bluefoot]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

They don't know and yes you normally have to go through hoops with them. If you used john doe on one site and then jane blane on eza they would give you trouble and probably suspend your account.

This happens when you are so caught up in the clouds that you think you are better than everyone else because many marketers say how great eza is. If you are going to use eza, my advice would be to use the same pen name accross the board for each specific articles for that niche.

James

Thanks James, that's what I suspected. So if folks are reconsidering their article strategy to implement the website first idea, we need to be sure our identities are in order first.

Phil

[rcwilson4au]

If you are not wanting to manipulate or "spin" the article, then post to ezine first. Ezine can usually detect the article already on your site, and then will reject it. Once posted to EZA, then post to your website.

[opportunites]

The best thing is to create 3 or 4 articles related to the same keywords, then post the best one in your web site anb publish the 2 or 3 others to different EZA with a link to your best articles in your site. (This will drive traffic to your site...)

[ralphalt]

GJ:
I have been using EZA for a few months now and am very pleased with the results. My method is to do the EZA FIRST, in case their plagiarize tool finds the same content on my blog and I know, I know it is my content and I have the rights to publish but why make it any tougher on the EZA article approval police?

After it is published I then re-write the article into my blog post or cover some slightly different content not covered in the EZA. Hope that helps,
Ralph

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

I stopped reading this thread (for time constraints) after 150 posts, so if I am repeating what someone else says, please excuse me.

I used to have this doubt all the time: Post an article to EZA first or my site first?

Research time. I read and I read and I read, but the more I read, the more this gnawing doubt in the back of my mind would not go away. Some people say one thing and others say another. It didn't help to simply choose, either, because I am a person who likes to know what is correct and/or the best thing to do.

Then I stepped outside the box and checked the initial premise. Do I write all my articles the same way? No... So why does one size have to fit all of them?

This is like asking: Who is it better to sell to first, men or women?

The obvious answer is: It depends on what you are selling. You sell dresses to women first, you sell footballs to men first and you sell popcorn to both without making distinctions.

Article writing is a bit like that to me. I write some articles because I love the topic or I am investigating it (I run a philosophy forum). I write other articles simply to bait people to come to my sites. I write other articles to presell products. And so on. I have a specific use in mind when I write an article.

So what do I do? Submit the article to EZA first or post it on my site first? I say this depends on what I want to do with it and what it's nature is.

For instance, on a site devoted to preselling a product, I would put the main presell article on the site and not even put it on EZA. I would put other articles there instead. (Ditto for product descriptions, operating instructions, personal sounding blog posts and certain other kinds of content.)

If I am writing teaser or filler content (articles designed as bait), I would take a long hard look at the keyword I am optimizing for.

I do not want an EZA article to knock my website off the SERPS. Don't forget that the same article will be ranked by Google for the same keywords. So SERP-wise I am essentially competing with myself.

If a keyword has relatively tough competition, my site is new, and I have a short-term need for high ranking in the SERPS, EZA will rank much quicker than my new site will. EZA--as a site in itself--has enormous authority. An EZA article of mine on the first page of Google SERPS will give me a lot more traffic though my resource box link than will my own site on the 12th page. In that case, it makes all the sense in the world to go with EZA first. (I would even bookmark the article on EZA to nudge it along.)

On the other hand, if I have one of those keywords where there is 15,000 searches a month and 2,346 indexed pages, I would be a fool to submit an article to EZA first. I want my site No. 1 in this case, not EZA.

These are just a couple of thoughts on weighing what to do. There are more considerations, but that kind of thinking opened the door to me to resolve my gnawing doubt. The fact is that there is no easy way out. When writing an article and planning on what to do with it, I have to think things through from a perspective of my larger intention instead of simply following a blind rule.

But we all need rules. That's why we have thumbs. So here is my rule of thumb. If an article is really valuable content, I will put it on my site first, then EZA (if at all). Like it or not, I am the author and that is my brainchild. I want it with me first and always, irrespective of any SEO thinking.

If it is teaser content (Bum marketing style article) and I have good stuff on my site already, I might put it in an out-of-the-way place on my site to add bulk, but I will submit it to EZA first to get better ranking for the search term, especially if the search term has some serious competition.

In other words, for long-tailed keywords with low competition or no concern at all with keywords (i.e., concern just with the content), I will go with my site first. With more highly disputed keywords, I will go with EZA first.

Obviously, with a really tough keyword, the EZA first versus site first issue doesn't mean jack. Fact: I won't rank on Google's page one for that term for a few years or without some really serious SEO work.

Period.

So I just want the backlink and whatever EZA traffic I can get (including other sites that pick the article up from EZA). In that case, why not EZA first? Even still, in this case, it really doesn't matter.

Here's a thought. What if the article is poor quality? Say the stuff that comes from article spinning? You could use a pseudonym and post it to other directories or throw-away sites used for backlinks. I certainly would not suggest wrecking your reputation and posting it under your own name.

After many trials and errors and much pondering, I decided that it's OK to spin if you spin well and the final article in all its transformations is good, i.e., each version stands on its own merits. And that brings me right back to what my main intention with the article is. I, for one, can't get away from that. I am communicating when I write an article.

And that brings up another interesting thought: Since I am communicating, why not simply refuse to write poor quality crap?

Why not, indeed?

That's the attitude I have adopted after a huge amount of wading through gobs of hype and long days and weeks and months of study and reflection. I made a conscious decision to stop trying to figure out what to do with crap to promote my sites and sales. I'm not afraid of hard work if the result is good and beneficial. This posture makes me feel really good inside.

Nowadays I know exactly what to do with crap. It doesn't go to EZA first. It doesn't go to my site first. It actually doesn't go to either.

I throw it away.

Michael

[Sean Ski]

If its a short term project and you just want to find out if the offer or your sales page converts then just post to EZA - if its a longer term project and you're trying to build an authority site then post to your site first and then post a spun copy to EZA.

Obviously, with a really tough keyword, the EZA first versus site first issue doesn't mean jack. Fact: I won't rank on Google's page one for that term for a few years or without some really serious SEO work.

Period.

Michael,
This is not true ... This is the problem on why many newbies get confused and many give up because they are told this thinking. I am sorry I have already proven a brand new site can be listed in less than a day and even have front page listing with very high competition.

All without the serious SEO work.

I got a support ticket from one of my members today asking about this because he also is given this bad advice that it takes a long time to get indexed and take front page listings. People need to stop spreading this rumor because it is simply not true.

Any site and I do mean any site can get front page listing with very little work and that even includes high competition.

Michael, this is not a fact that you posted, it may be your opinion but it is far from fact....

James

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

TheRichJerksNet,

OK. I'm open. Let's see what you can do.

Can you rank quickly on the first page of Google with a new site for the following term?

Make money online

In fact, not opinion, of course.

Eager minds await enlightenment and instruction...

Michael

Originally Posted by Michael Stuart Kelly

TheRichJerksNet,

OK. I'm open. Let's see what you can do.

Can you rank quickly on the first page of Google with a new site for the following term?

Make money online

In fact, not opinion, of course.

Eager minds await enlightenment and instruction...

Michael

That term could mean anything in the world that has to do with making money, thus it would be etturly stupid to try and rank for it (in my opinion)... If I sell a ebook on how to make money online from article marketing, I sure would not try to target "Make Money Online"...

Let's get real here....

James

[Matt Cromie]

Thanks for all the help, I usually use different articles for EZA to my content what a mistake!

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Let's get real here....

TheRichJerksNet,

If you can't or won't produce results, you are simply issuing an opinion. Serious people who talk facts show them. They don't pretend that calling them out is "stupid" and go on in doublespeak.

In other words, so far, what I said was true (i.e. fact), not an opinion. At least it was based on my own experience and I can prove it.

But if you don't like the term "make money online," let's try another high competition term:

Dog training

Will you tell newbies that it is possible to rank high in Google on a new site for that term "all without the serious SEO work" (as you claimed)? Or shall we get more doublespeak?

I am interested to see why my comment that these kinds of high-competition terms are too difficult to bother with unless you commit to some serious work and serious time is "the problem on why many newbies get confused and many give up."

Eager minds and all...

Michael

Look dude,
I never said what I stated was fact, you did and I corrected what you said was fact is not fact at all.. It is your opinion and nothing more than your opinion!

I have already proven you can get indexed very easily without "serious seo work" and so has many others on this very forum. I do not have to prove anything to you at all, my point is you should not post you opinion as facts. If you think I am going to post those results in a live forum, think again...

You said:

Obviously, with a really tough keyword, the EZA first versus site first issue doesn't mean jack. Fact: I won't rank on Google's page one for that term for a few years or without some really serious SEO work.

Period.

Sorry that is not a fact ... It is your opinion.

James

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

I don't post often on Warrior, but I try to provide value when I do.

I stand by every word I wrote. I'm not interested in bickering, so I see I'm in the wrong discussion here.

I'll go find one about Internet marketing and making money and that will be more in line with my goals.

Sorry folks for the intrusion.

Back to work...

Michael

[Richnana]

I agree with you about Ezine articles last - not first. If you are going to post the article on your own site or create a blog would be best. ou could then link your article from EZA to your blog and get double duty. Of course on your blog you could include some pretty graphics and as many keywords as you like. Or you could turn your article into it's own web page. Fill it up with your keyword phrases, submit it to the article directories. You've created a lot of exposure with one article

[ChrisJamesG]

Would people recommend linking back to the home page of your site from EZA or back to the article on your site? Or maybe linking back to a different article on your site?

Thanks for any suggestions,
Chris

[Jay Rhome]

Wow what an AMAZING THREAD. My eyes are sore. I actually read through it all. Massively thanks to TheRichJerk, Keith, Jay, Allen, and others who I probably forget!

Things are SO much clearer now! I did waste so much time with spinning articles that I didn't ... post articles! I will still spin some for reasons TheRichJerk has provided, but now at least I won't wait or be shy about spreading my content everywhere! Wow. What a change. That'll get me a lot more into taking ACTION than ever before - that and Keith's great Plan B thread.


A couple of questions, well 3 actually:
1. I think some sites like Hubpages and Squido do require original content right?



2. What about duplicate SITES? You know, prebuilt PLR sites or ready out-of-the-box review sites. Is it wise to make them more unique, or again, just go ahead, do on page SEO and build backlinks to them?




3. In essence, one could use a PLR article, make himself/herself the author, have that article link back to his/her money site, and simply spread it to the directories, and that simple step would provide as much backlink juice as doing it with an original written article spinned to 30-40% uniqueness?



Thanks for eveything guys!



P.S. This is FAR FAR from a "joke of thread"

Your very welcome and thanks for the PM... I will reply to that in a minute...

Originally Posted by Jay Rhome

1. I think some sites like Hubpages and Squido do require original content right?

Well, one must define original content.. hubpages are picky from what others say, I personally do not create hubpages. As for squido I have created some but they change rules so much it is hard to keep up. Supply them with quality content and you should be fine. (quality meaning valued content and not spammy content or junk content).

Originally Posted by Jay Rhome

2. What about duplicate SITES? You know, prebuilt PLR sites or ready out-of-the-box review sites. Is it wise to make them more unique, or again, just go ahead, do on page SEO and build backlinks to them?

I used to edit the coding for many turnkey sites such as Prozilla :: Turnkey Websites, Online website builder - I worked for a client that paid me $1,500 a month to create sites into unique sites. What I mean by editing is the actual coding and functions. He supplied the content for his own site. Point is the sites did not look the same and as such performed a great deal better than most that was just a copy of another site.

So to answer your question, those type of sites can be used as a base to start but I would not use them as is unless the site you got them from has proven they only have been sold to a small amount of people.

Originally Posted by Jay Rhome

3. In essence, one could use a PLR article, make himself/herself the author, have that article link back to his/her money site, and simply spread it to the directories, and that simple step would provide as much backlink juice as doing it with an original written article spinned to 30-40% uniqueness?

Thanks for eveything guys!

P.S. This is FAR FAR from a "joke of thread"

Be careful here because no matter what anyone says quality out-rules quantity any day of the week. Most PLR are junk that does not read well and have been given away to millions and some people actually do just submit them as is to directories. This not only looks bad on your as a author but it pulls down the article directory.

Personally I stay away from PLR, try writing an article on a subject you know. Then if need be get someone to help you proof read it.

James

[Jay Rhome]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

I used to edit the coding for many turnkey sites such as Prozilla :: Turnkey Websites, Online website builder - I worked for a client that paid me $1,500 a month to create sites into unique sites. What I mean by editing is the actual coding and functions. He supplied the content for his own site. Point is the sites did not look the same and as such performed a great deal better than most that was just a copy of another site.

I thought about that too: even if I change the content, all the coding for the frames, graphics, image names, etc will still be the same...

But then again, if duplicate content is not an issue, I would have thought that the game is one of on page SEO and of course, backlinks. I'm confused now.

Be careful here because no matter what anyone says quality out-rules quantity any day of the week. Most PLR are junk that does not read well and have been given away to millions and some people actually do just submit them as is to directories. This not only looks bad on your as a author but it pulls down the article directory.

I'm very much quality focused, I mean, my goal by spreading articles would be more about backlink juice, but why not get some HUMANS at the same time

So while I agree my question remains the same. I'll rephrase it this way:

Will using one article to a 100 sites pass the same backlink juice as 1 SPINNED article (30-40% uniqueness) to create 100 variations to the same 100 sites?

If so, putting a quality article everywhere seems to be priority #1, well ahead of spinning variations of the article.

Originally Posted by Jay Rhome

I thought about that too: even if I change the content, all the coding for the frames, graphics, image names, etc will still be the same...

But then again, if duplicate content is not an issue, I would have thought that the game is one of on page SEO and of course, backlinks. I'm confused now.



I'm very much quality focused, I mean, my goal by spreading articles would be more about backlink juice, but why not get some HUMANS at the same time

So while I agree my question remains the same. I'll rephrase it this way:

Will using one article to a 100 sites pass the same backlink juice as 1 SPINNED article (30-40% uniqueness) to create 100 variations to the same 100 sites?

If so, putting a quality article everywhere seems to be priority #1, well ahead of spinning variations of the article.

Now don't get confused.. My point is with mass produced sites that all like just like 10,000 other sites are not going to get you what you want.. Who wants to see the same site over and over.

Duplicate content is a myth but you visitor/customer may not want to deal with a site that is just mass produced and looks like 10,000 other sites.

I think you are also confused here on spun articles.. Many slap out bad advice and confuse people here because they have no idea what they talk about and they claim spun articles are junk.

A unique article written by a writer and a well spun article can produce the same results. Now notice I said a "well spun article", there are many of us that can produce a spun article out of an original article and you would never be able to tell which one was spun and which one was the original.

So a unique article written by a writer vs a well spun article can produce the same exact results.You can submit that 1 unique article to 100 directories if you choose or your can properly spin it and submit. It is going to bring the same results (disclaimer, this depends upon quality).

Many spin articles for many more reasons than just submitting to article directories. Some actually submit spun articles to directories just incase someone goes on a unique content trip and start saying they do not want duplicate articles. For these people they are smart because they will never have to worry about that because they submitted properly spun articles that are not the exact same.

Personally I have done both... Submit the same to many and then submit spun articles to many. I would highly suggest testing this for yourself because nobody can truly answer your question because there are many factors involved (such as the niche you are in, the competition, are similar articles already posted high in search engines, and etc).

James

[Jay Rhome]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Now don't get confused.. My point is with mass produced sites that all like just like 10,000 other sites are not going to get you what you want.. Who wants to see the same site over and over.

Duplicate content is a myth but you visitor/customer may not want to deal with a site that is just mass produced and looks like 10,000 other sites.

OK. So if I get this right, I do NOT have to spend all this time making the site more unique, but spend my time doing the backlinks, as far as SEO is concerned. Is that accurate?

As for the human viewers, while there might be a small chance someone stumbles on the same content twice, it's probably unlikely as the possessors of the duplicate sites will surely target different keywords.

A unique article written by a writer and a well spun article can produce the same results. Now notice I said a "well spun article", there are many of us that can produce a spun article out of an original article and you would never be able to tell which one was spun and which one was the original.

So a unique article written by a writer vs a well spun article can produce the same exact results.You can submit that 1 unique article to 100 directories if you choose or your can properly spin it and submit. It is going to bring the same results (disclaimer, this depends upon quality).

Many spin articles for many more reasons than just submitting to article directories. Some actually submit spun articles to directories just incase someone goes on a unique content trip and start saying they do not want duplicate articles. For these people they are smart because they will never have to worry about that because they submitted properly spun articles that are not the exact same.

OK. It goes without saying than one can't spurt out garbage. I like to spin by sentence (3 versions of each) as it usually keeps the flow and meaning really well.

Personally I have done both... Submit the same to many and then submit spun articles to many.

You bet that's what I'll do now! Just getting the first, unspun article out there is a real time saver, and I feel I'm getting things done. It will provide momentum to do the second step.

I would highly suggest testing this for yourself because nobody can truly answer your question because there are many factors involved (such as the niche you are in, the competition, are similar articles already posted high in search engines, and etc).

Will do! Thanks for the great advice all over this thread!

[Allen Graves]

I need to post a disclaimer.

You see, times change, rules change. Some of the things I have stated in this thread are starting to become less effective and/or need to be done in a bit of a different way. At least, from what I am seeing in my own research.

That's why I haven't posted in the article marketing all-in-one thread. Stuff changes so fast that a post made a week ago maynot even apply any more.

As has been said many times in this thread...

Test your own stuff - tweak - repeat.

As far as submitting to EZA or your site first? I don't believe it really matters much now.

Respectfully,
Allen Graves

OK. So if I get this right, I do NOT have to spend all this time making the site more unique, but spend my time doing the backlinks, as far as SEO is concerned. Is that accurate?

As for the human viewers, while there might be a small chance someone stumbles on the same content twice, it's probably unlikely as the possessors of the duplicate sites will surely target different keywords.

What I am saying is personally IF I was dealing with some PLR sites I would 100% change them... I do not deal with them as I personally rather build something unique myself.

You would be surprised at how many people just slap the sites up there and never change them, trust me many do because they think they can just slap a site up and make a million overnight because some spread that bad advice around just to make sales of crappy mass produced sites.

James

[H_Wilhelm]

I just wanted to say thanks to "James", "Keith", "JayXtreme", "Allen Graves" and "Peter Gibson" for taking the time to layout such great information and debunk the 'duplicate content' myth. As a new subscriber here to the Warrior Forum, I feel fortunate to have stumbled upon this thread FIRST, as it has opened my eyes to what I was hearing on other forums regarding 'dupe content' and how it really plays into what kind of an affect it has...or doesn't have I should say...on one's own website and/or blog.

I've also copied down the steps James outlined in post #123 and will be putting that sound advice to use over the next few days as I start to lay the foundation in what I hope becomes a promising IM business.

After reading this entire thread, which I just can't beleive I've done over the last...sh**...2 HOURS or so...it's still amazing how some people, who I would have assumed had also read the thread leading up to their own post....actually didn't...and continued to spit mis-truths, lies and/or false statements about this who 'dupe content topic... and how bad they look now once that their own comments/thoughts have pretty much been blown out of the water.

If other threads here on the Warrior Forum are as well discussed and step-by-step instructions laid out, I'm going to thoroughly enjoy my time here! ;-)

Sincerely,

Howie

[Jay Rhome]

I listened tonight to a great webminar with Andy Jenkins, Dan Thies and Leslie Rhode. They do a lot of testing and are supposed to have some inside info from Google as well. They have great reps so I certainly trust them when it comes to SEO.

They touched on that duplicate content issue. Basically, Google does batch processes looking for duplicate content. That’s why sites that have been doing well suddenly disappear from the index if most or all of the site is made of RSS feeds and other duplicate content.

They probably have their plate full with scam sites so probably exact duplicate sites is only what they’re after. What that means is it may happen eventually you can trigger their duplicate content filters if most or all your site is made of duplicate content. You get deindexed, basically, going for page 1 to 4 or below.

Of course, many will get away with it as Google bots can't check it all. More and more it makes sense to me to write unique material, spin them well as James recommend and then spread that on the web.

Using duplicate sites as I talked about above seem a bad idea if we don't make the sites more unique. Not because it's unethical or we'll get banned or sandboxed or what not, just that Google and other SE do try to weed out duplicate results when people search, and to help that they do try overtime to weed out sites that have no unique content. It makes sense to me.

Of course, spreading your own article all over the place after you've "taken ownership" of it with pinging, bookmarks, and rss feeds is still totally relevant.

Just make sure that you put some of your OWN stuff on your site, and not just scrape articles, posts, PLR stuff, RSS feed and other autogenerated content.

[jefferybaxter]

This is my favorite thread ever..so many great ideas a man can use!

[frans240]

Originally Posted by Zack Lim

Don't forget to repurpose your content into other format and distribute it Zack

Can u please eleborate on said statement?? I would like to know what you mean by repurpose the content into another format and distribute it..

thanks ..really great forum by the way

[MaryT]

EZA had no problem that you publish a copy of an article that is on your website, i heard t mentioned from the owner in an interview

put the article on your site first in anycase, then only when it is indexed, submit it to EZA

VERY IMPORTANT RULE: do not submit to EZA until it get indexed on your website

my 2 cents
Mary

frans240 - Repurpose your articles mean turn them into other content to be used in other ways.

* Create Mini Reports
* Create Press Release
* Create Blog Post
* Create Ebooks
* Create PDF Documents
* Create Squido and Hubpages
* Create Videos
* And etc ....

James

[frans240]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

frans240 - Repurpose your articles mean turn them into other content to be used in other ways.

* Create Mini Reports
* Create Press Release
* Create Blog Post
* Create Ebooks
* Create PDF Documents
* Create Squido and Hubpages
* Create Videos
* And etc ....

James

Thank you James for clearing that up!

[cryptone24]

James thank you,
My thoughts exactly as yours on spinning your articles and the number one reason why I spin the snot of out my articles is because I don't know what those articles sites or the search engines are going to do with all the junk duplicate content and spamming out there in the future. Article sites are here to do business, and if Google says "tighten ship or we smack you", I suspect they will comply.

I suspect behavior like this is getting noticed by the FTC and giving us a bad name, making it harder for me to make a dollar...and I dont want to contrubute to the problem

[achivement84]

If your article is long , i agree the opinion to put a short summary about it on EZA and link it to your main article page in your site.Also it doesn`t matter to post it to your website .

Originally Posted by cryptone24

James thank you,
My thoughts exactly as yours on spinning your articles and the number one reason why I spin the snot of out my articles is because I don't know what those articles sites or the search engines are going to do with all the junk duplicate content and spamming out there in the future. Article sites are here to do business, and if Google says "tighten ship or we smack you", I suspect they will comply.

I suspect behavior like this is getting noticed by the FTC and giving us a bad name, making it harder for me to make a dollar...and I dont want to contrubute to the problem

That is correct, we have no idea what might happen.. So all those that put down spinners and say how evil they are, I wish you all luck when your articles start being deleted...

@achivement84 - Read the thread before posting....

James

[Troy_Phillips]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

That is correct, we have no idea what might happen.. So all those that put down spinners and say how evil they are, I wish you all luck when your articles start being deleted...

@achivement84 - Read the thread before posting....

James

I have been one of the biggest opponents on here pertaining to spinners .

From past experience everything I put in them , for lack of a better word , sucked .

Some of this was admittedly my lack of knowledge in formatting them. Still most of the ones I had tried just couldn't produce desired results with any amount of formatting .

I tried the spinner you recommend . It is a new tool I would not want to do without .

Guess what.... you have to put a little work in it . It amazes me that that work thing keeps coinciding with me making money online .

With the right spinner to aid in article marketing , things can go a lot easier and your quality stays in tune with the original article .

As far as the site versus EZA first . For my business model the site always comes first . EZA is a nice back link but then so are a lot of other sites .

I see so many that puts their entire business on one platform and never thinks of the future .

Twitter business platforms ... EZA only traffic ... Google is king .

Twitter could easily decide tomorrow that no links whatsoever are allowed in tweets .

EZA could have a totally different TOS in the next 24 hours .

Google could decide that affiliate marketing is bad for their end user experience .

My crystal ball is fuzzy today but anything is possible . If your business model is fully dependent on any of the above sites and all of a sudden they decide they no longer want your type of business.... where does your business stand ?

Kind of helps the argument of investing in your own online real estate a little more valid , doesn't it

Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips

I have been one of the biggest opponents on here pertaining to spinners .

From past experience everything I put in them , for lack of a better word , sucked .

Some of this was admittedly my lack of knowledge in formatting them. Still most of the ones I had tried just couldn't produce desired results with any amount of formatting .

I tried the spinner you recommend . It is a new tool I would not want to do without .

Guess what.... you have to put a little work in it . It amazes me that that work thing keeps coinciding with me making money online .

With the right spinner to aid in article marketing , things can go a lot easier and your quality stays in tune with the original article .

As far as the site versus EZA first . For my business model the site always comes first . EZA is a nice back link but then so are a lot of other sites .

I see so many that puts their entire business on one platform and never thinks of the future .

Twitter business platforms ... EZA only traffic ... Google is king .

Twitter could easily decide tomorrow that no links whatsoever are allowed in tweets .

EZA could have a totally different TOS in the next 24 hours .

Google could decide that affiliate marketing is bad for their end user experience .

My crystal ball is fuzzy today but anything is possible . If your business model is fully dependent on any of the above sites and all of a sudden they decide they no longer want your type of business.... where does your business stand ?

Kind of helps the argument of investing in your own online real estate a little more valid , doesn't it

Thanks Troy, glad you enjoy the spinner.. One more converted

This is why so many of try to tell people to put in some effort into their own website and stop building up others. Sure those sites can help you but that is exactly what they should be looked at "a site to help mine"... These sites should not be used for the sole purpose of running a business.

What makes an authority site ? Anyone know the answer to this one ? Let me give you a little hint, it has nothing to do with content or quality.
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Hmm ok, well it is very simple.... The main reason why a site is "considered" an authority is because many people mention the site over and over and refer people there. Take EZA for instance, we all know they have plr junk articles in their directory and some articles that just do not make any sense at all. Yet people will say EZA is king, you need EZA, You must submit to EZA, and etc ...

This is what creates a site to be "considered" an authority site. EZA's own traffic is built mostly of nothing but marketers and competition and not consumers but yet people still say "use EZA".

Just think if many of you would put that much work into your own site ....

James

[cryptone24]

I went up and down this thread and cant find the spinner that James is recommending. If its PAR, then i'm alright!

Originally Posted by cryptone24

I went up and down this thread and cant find the spinner that James is recommending. If its PAR, then i'm alright!

No way would I recommend such software .... I use my own system on my own Article Tools website.

James

[Cristian Lungu]

Post to your site FIRST. Wait 2-3 days until Googles indexes your new content and then submit it to EZA and other A.D.s with an backlink to the same content on your site.
You want to build authority for your site. This is the reason you're submiting to EZA in the first place, right? It's common sense to publish content on your site in the first place. Why credit EZA or other AD with a new piece of content?

Still, I have an unclear issue with modifying your original article before submitting it to A.D.s. Don't see the point in making adjustments. Others argue that posting the same article on different places seems like spamming.

I say that using synonyms and modifying the original article is disguised spamming...

Is there a technical benefit that I'm missing out with tweaking the original piece of content?

Originally Posted by Cristian Lungu

Is there a technical benefit that I'm missing out with tweaking the original piece of content?

Tweaking - Is bad advice, you should be changing it but as I have always said this is your choice to do so. Test for yourself...

The reason why some of us that work smart and spin our articles is because it is very effective marketing. I have already listed the many uses for spun articles (read post above).

But there is more to it then just this.

Let's say you write your article and post it on your site and then take that same exact article and post it on 10 article directories. There is nothing at all wrong with this and no it will not hurt your rankings and no duplicate content penalty does not exist.

But you may very well be missing out on great opportunities to generate additional opt-in's, customers, or followers.

Now let's say you properly spin your article (not tweak it, but spin it to 70%+ uniqueness) and you post the original on your site and post 10 spun articles on 10 article directories.

This is what you are going to get for working smart and taking the time to "properly" spin your article.

1. You can use this spun content to repurpose into other formats as explained in the above post.

2. Almost all article directories have author rss feeds, if you submit those feeds then all you are doing is putting out 10 rss feeds that have the same exact content. Who wants to subscribe to 10 exact same rss feeds ? If you spin the articles and each directory gets a different spun article then your author rss feeds are now 70%+ unique and thus will get more subscribers.

3. If at such time the article directories or search engines do start kicking out articles that are posted on other sites then you entire business is screwed. If you spun them though, you have nothing to worry about because you worked smart and took care of the problem before a real problem existed.

4. By properly spinning your articles you have the ability to target other keywords with the spun versions, everybody knows targeting just 1 keyword is not going to brng the bacon home. You must target several different keywords.

There are other reasons but this could turn into an entire ebook if I was to explain it all...

James

[Cristian Lungu]

to TheRichJerksNet: And which are the tools you use to spin your articles? A-Z, please. :-)

Originally Posted by Cristian Lungu

to TheRichJerksNet: And which are the tools you use to spin your articles? A-Z, please. :-)

I use my own website ... Due to self promotion rules I can not post that in this post ...

James

[izzymay]

Thank you everyone.

This thread has been tremendous.

So to be clear Duplicate Content is a Myth - right?!

And we should post to our sites before EZA!

Once again thank you

[KristieDean]

Originally Posted by Zack Lim

Yeap, this forum is indeed excellent where we can learn many valuable internet marketing information.

Don't forget to repurpose your content into other format and distribute it

Zack

Do you have any recommendations of the best ways to distribute it? Thanks!

[Redagents]

Sorry warriors but what is EZA

[Havenhood]

Don't be sorry. eZine Articles.

[Allen Graves]

Originally Posted by Redagents

Sorry warriors but what is EZA

Here's a link (with an annoyingly long description)

EzineArticles Submission - Submit Your Best Quality Original Articles For Massive Exposure, Ezine Publishers Get 25 Free Article Reprints

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