Has Bing got Google running scared?

Blacklist all "article directories" and keep working on the trash filtering rules to throw away the millions of articles that are nothing more than rewrites.

I believe there is already a thread going about this subject, but to be fair, no, I don't believe Google is running scared. MS's Bing has a long way to go to catch up with Google, and by the time they think they've caught them, Google will have already implemented new changes to stay on top.

Nice! Yes, I agree with "working on the trash filtering rules to throw away the millions of articles that are nothing more than rewrites".

I just hope Google does not lower adwords bidding or my $300 a month of adsense will go way down

Thanks also mmurtha

Warrior2008

The following story from the NY Post seems to indicate that maybe Google is a tad bit nervous:

FEAR GRIPS GOOGLE - New York Post

Google will adapt. They're pretty smart people over there. Bing is sexy but Google has a lot of die hard followers.

CNET: Does Microsoft's Bing have Google running scared?

Bing Keeps Growing: Has Microsoft Finally Cracked Search?

Lol do you guys really believe everything you read?

Just because Bing is getting some publicity at the moment doesn't mean squat.

Personally, it would be nice to have Google on the hot seat. I have had issues with how long they take to approve an adword campaign. So, I think competition is always good. So bring it on MS Bing!

i face problem in using the current Bing because when you open it in 2 tab and if you make one bing to show 50 site the other bing automatically change and start displaying 50 search in a time so it a problem...and it in not in a google you can set different tab to different search result .

Newer isn't always a good thing. Not sure about anyone else, but have you taken a look at Google's new instructions for getting the most out of it's organic search engine tool? Holy crap.

I think Google needs to "simplify" things. A lot.

Seems like they have a bass-ackwards way of doing things.

There's a "right" way..
There's a "wrong" way..
And there's the "Google" way.

If Bing can offer a simple search solution, and offer tools and update models that are easier to figure out than Googles, that would definately be a good thing for Bing.

Grant

Google scared of a little competittion.. .NOPE... they are so far ahead of anyone else ...

Google is running scared, they've made some drastic changes and have a team headed by some of the top guys themselves because of it.

Google will ALWAYS be on top.

"Google" and "running scared" just don't sound right in the same sentence.

I tried Bing, said whatever and went back to Google. Until Bing gets into the tool search bar of firefox it does not stand a chance. Now if Microsoft had launched "Bong" instead that a different story.....

Google are the dons! lol.

Look what happened with Yahoo. They were massive, bigger than google to start with.

Bing has crawler problems. Google's crawling power is massive, and Bing hasn't reached that yet.

However, Bing (and formerly MSN Search) put great emphasis on META descriptions and keywords, while Google put its emphasis mostly on the page quality. So Bing is hit or miss.

Google is not scared of Bing at this stage but it is very concerned about Microsoft in the long term. If there is any company that has the resources and determination to do it, it would be Microsoft. Google has only been around for 10 years and anything can happen in the next 10 years.

Remember that the average web surfer do not think like us webmasters. What that means essentially is the best search engine does not necessarily win in the long term. Among the things that the average web browser would be speed and convenience.

There are just too many examples of how Microsoft destroyed the competition e.g. Netscape, MAC OS. Does anybody even remember WordPerfect, Lotus 1-2-3, Harvard Graphics, and Database etc.

Derek

Actually, BING doesn't need to overtake Google.
BING can work completely fine being the #2 Search Engine. It must achieve that status before even thinking about taking over google.

Think about it, how many people are actually going to Yahoo, or MSN, or AOL to search for something or even do alternative searches.
What BING's first priority should do is become #2. Once they achieve that, the need to ensure perfection of quality searches - by being able to have a person to ensure & define a LOCAL search vs. a Universal Search.

Bing = Another SE where it might be possible to advertise without paying ridiculous prices for keywords. IMHO, adwords prices are totally, totally screwed up and it becomes more and more less attractive.
Click prices in the last few years have just skyrocketed into realms of "insanity" - you can easily check this by doing some keyword research in the insurance/debt niche. EU20/click? <----

So..every other SE which puts a dent into this monopoly is good.

i've tried bing a couple times... but i'm a creature of habit (just like it said in the article) and will probably remain w/ google.

Google def needs some competition. Competition is what makes everything better and we will all benefit from the improvements

Someone said, do not underestimate Micro$oft. The reality is, you must not overestimate Micro$oft. As big as MS is, they only have two profitable product lines. Windows and MSOffice. As was detailed in the first anti trust trials, Windows dominance was achieved by forcing PC manufacturers to include Windows with every PC shipped. Office dominance occurred partly because WordPerfect was too slow producing a Windows version and because MS marketed it primarily to corporate executives, thus making it the default in business.

MS has never dominated any other market segment. Oracle still owns the enterprise database segment, Xbox still has not made a profit, the list goes on. All of their other products either lose money or break even or are slightly profitable. None dominate like Windows and MSOffice.

MS has never dominated in any market with legitimate competition.

At the end of the week some media outlets blared that Bing had increased MS's search market share for the week. They went from 6% to 8% in the U.S., meanwhile Google remains at 64% in the U.S. and 77% in the rest of the world.

"Micro$oft", how witty and original. Too bad the rest of the post was completely incorrect on every front.

If Bing does start to show Google some muscle, Google will just buy them out...who would say no to a couple hundred million dollars...

Let them fight it out. Because I do not own a search engine, I do not compete with them. I hope they both win.

What will happen is that search will become increasingly more intelligent and thus we will all have to be better marketers.

At the of the day as someone eloquently stated, it is another place to get traffic from.

Charles

MS spreading itself thin again. So what happened to Vista ? Bad. Now Windows 7 is coming and is much more like Xp but with new graphics, lighter and faster. If those big monsters could stick to what they are specialized in. And respecting each other. no competition but more creation ! So Google should of stayed in search engine specialty, and MS in OS systems. Google went on creating office online threatening MS office. So now whats up with MS ? Bing!
lol
By the way, I am Linux freak so that means Google, lol, but still use XP as it is still handy with many programs.

Whether it's a search engine or not...
If one company provides more value than another, significantly, then that company will win a battle, but not the war.
At this time it's Google.
The ideas inside my head tell me it's only a matter of time before someone else takes the lead.
It might be MS, it might be even me.
I am dead serious!

Well search engine discussion is a never ending concept it seems.
Thou in the end does it really matter.
optimize your sites for the one you consider your self to know.
And the other search engines will most probably rank you quite high to.
Just MHO

I don't think changing the name of their search engine is going to help them overcome Google's domination, and that's basically all they've done. If people weren't defecting to msn search, or live, they aren't going to flock to Bing either.

They should have never changed the name. Personally I find no difference between how it is now and how it was with live. The new features are not all that impressive.

My advice to Google is: STOP PICKING ON ME!

I am sure the Big G. is ever watchful of Bing, but worried? Not much. Think of the competition for eBay. There is little if any, right?

If Bing can grab 10% of the market that would make MS some money. If Goog screws up somehow (not likely) then Bing would be ready to pounce.

Just my 2 cents, worth what you paid for it.

ALL dominating companies will eventually come to an end... Google today and tomorrow, maybe Bing. The bottom line is, what's in it for me? Who drives the best possible traffic to the offers that I have now and in the future?

Google employees quite a few PH'ds over there. So, ideas is not something that they are lacking in...

If this happens, this will vault Bing's share to well over 10% and the whole game will change overnight.

Yahoo-Microsoft tie-up may challenge Google - Times Online

Yahoo, Microsoft partnership deal near

NOBODY ever wins the catchup game. If you want to beat Google in the search genre, you have to re-think search completely. You cant even look at what Google is doing as a model. You have to re-think search.

Bing doesnt do that.

Bing coming in the SE picture is beneficial not only to the company itself but for the users - us. Have you seen how much improvement or Google's working overtime to get back the traffic or market they are loosing

@Derekwong,

That isn't a solid enough example. IE didn't play the Catch-Up game. They approached things a little differently. This is why we developers still have to deal with Microsoft's unwillingness to adhere to standards

IE was a different browser. Sure, it served the same general purpose but Microsoft did things differently enough to handle the shortcomings of Netscape.

In that regard, if a search engine were to come out and look at things a little differently than the Google model, they may have a chance to gain some traction in the race.

When you are looking at ways to catch up to a competitor, than you will always be one step behind.

For bing to 'overtake' google, bing needs to focus more on getting information out on how to rank your sites top on bing and let everyone know how to do it.

Aswell as promoting their traffic stats and giving 110% accurate search counts/graphics/tools etc etc for us marketers to start monetizing of the search engine bing!

That would then just create a massive wave in the IM market and there would be a sudden influx of people changing their sites so they both benefit google and bing as much as possible and then eventually when the traffic stats for both search engines are similar or even bing having higher search results for certain niches/keyphrases then thats when a good proportion of people will turn to bing and not google! Google traffic would then be the extra free chunk of traffic!

Tom Brite

Tom, believe it or not, the "IM" niche is incestuously small. We neither make a dent nor are worth pandering to. Top income providers for search engines are everyday folk that use their computer only to accomplish specific tasks then go back offline... booking travel, shopping, health info and local search.

I suspect Bing counts a lot more on "on page" optimization. In Google, I am at the top for Angela. Bing...nowhere to be found. "Angela's Sensual Companions of Thailand" comes before my page. (Well, they DO claim to be a "decision engine" ) I think a ton of what Bing looks for is what's on the page and what's in the title tag and URL and such.

Can someone tell me what makes Bing such a threat? They don't seem to be anywhere near google as far as features or usability goes. Is it simply the fact that they are owned by microsoft?

Previously, rarely do I have traffic from Bing. However for the last 2 weeks I am starting to receive some traffic from Bing. It seem they are getting people to notice them.

I am staying with Bing Videos, I think the interface is far superior to Google Videos. Have a look and you will see why.

Out of interest I ran a search on a specific keyword that I rank highly for within Google. Infact Im an authority site for this keyword on Google, and yet, within Bing, I am listed beneath 4 other competitors, 2 of which are sites that are virtually non functional, with one that has been online just a few months.

Surely a site that has been online for the last 5 years, (my site) with hundreds of backlinks, and an enourmous amount of content, and user activity should rank well.

Bing it seems for this particular keyword doesnt care, and throws up secondary sites of very little use to anybody.

Google > Bing.

I took it for a very brief whirl. I hope 'Googl'e does get some decent competition, 'Live' certainly gave me no orgasmic feelings, but 'Bling' made me feel something.

Ask me again 12 months after the dust settles and see what 'Google' has done in that time.

Bing even has incomplete pages listed in the first few pages of search results. Here is another one from Angela:

You have reached the cached page for Angela Thomas
Okay, so the Bing Bot last visited and cached this site on 7-15-2009; five days ago. Here is what it was:

Bing's Cache of this site

So they're putting new and incomplete websites into the index above aged sites that have many backlinks? What would be the reason for that?

Again, I think the on-page optimization is what is making the decisions about ranking for this search engine.

Well, I personally prefer google as its startup page for my firefox is less graphic intensive and loads faster. Bing... well sometimes it doesn't give me the search results I want, algorithm could probably use a little tweaking IMO.

Nicholas C.

MS advertises Bing as the "world's first decision engine". Unfortunately, that's patently false. Decision engines have been around a long, long time.

I doubt Google is very worried. If you start seeing Google advertise they way Microsoft is advertising Bing, then you will know that Google is feeling the pinch. Besides Google does not make its money from search per sey. That make it primarily from selling adwords. I doubt google will really care until adword revenue starts to fall.

Bing will probably have to keep shelling out millions of dollars in marketing to just to stay where they are now. Google is just to natural to people nowadays. It's not worth Bing to put up that big of a fight. They should stil with being #2 when people can't find what they want with Google

Does Bing have Google running scared?

Probably not yet, but if Google underestimates Bing's potential they might be. Ask the people at Coca Cola about the Pepsi generation. Sears and Kmart are still wondering how they did not see Wal-Mart coming. GM, Ford, and Chrysler ignored Toyota and Honda for way too long. History is littered with the corpses of businesses that failed to pay close attention to the new competition.

Of course, it is doubtful that Google is not smart enough to see Microsoft as a strong competitor. But then again the big guys mentioned above were pretty smart too.

We're lucky because we get to see how both of these guys react to the marketing efforts of the other. Lessons can be learned.

Although, Bing does have its work cut out for it. We don't search anymore, we Google. I just found myself Googling "Bing Video" after reading Derek's post. Didn't even think to go to Bing. Just used the Google search bar on the browser.

Gene

Honestly - I highly doubt Google will change a thing

Stop all the paid promotion through advertisements or paid links and emphasis ranking with organic optimization. Also try to get the spam websites out of ranking as it is really difficult to find out what you exactly need.

Google doesn't own Craigslist or Twitter, Ishan. They're not even on friendly terms. And Microsoft spends just as many billions acquiring other companies as Google... Microsoft has much more money.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...s_by_Microsoft
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ions_by_Google

Microsoft, Yahoo finally reach deal - Jul. 29, 2009

Bing is about to more than double its coverage

Bing has got an attractive look now but it is still behind google in terms of service. Google still takes less time to find and it's search engine is definitely powerful then bing. I really don't think any kind of extra change is required for google.

Bing is going to have to make it's algorithm a little less obvious if it wants to beat Google. The sites that are the most optimized for their keywords are the ones that come up first. On-site optimization is the name of the game with Bing. In some ways that's good, but is that a "better" search for the end user?

It was good enough for Yahoo!

Announced this morning, going forward, Bing will be powering Yahoo! search.

That gives Bing 28% market share.

Personally I hope they become like Intel and AMD or Nvidia and ATI. Two giants that keep each other on their toes. When two companies like that compete the final winner is always us, because both try to get us to take our money to them and so they offer new inovative services instead of growing stagnet and cluttered. But Google might just crush them, we'll see eh?

I think that google is scared enough and they will make some changes helpful for us. But actually, search engines get profit not only from webmasters but from visitors too so they are dependent on them.

If the Bing and Yahoo deal passes antitrust laws, it should make some waves against Google. But, Google seems to stay on top of the game and continually make changes.