The One Word Newbies Use that Drives Me Nuts When I Read a Thread

[Brad Spencer]

Hey Warriors,

As everyone is aware, there are a lot of new people joining in recent weeks.

Here's one thing I notice a lot with them and it holds them back...

Newbies use the word "try" or "I'll check it out" or other "non committal" type words.

This is definitely a psych thing but the quote of Yoda from Star Wars is totally pertinent...

"Do or Do Not...there is no TRY"- Yoda...

This is EXTREMELY true online. When you're looking for something don't say you'll "try" it out...just go do it. By saying try you're speaking to your subconscious mind that you won't actually do it.

Crazy weird psych stuff I know...but it's true.

I used to do it. I read this fact on a blog once and it changed my life.

So moral of the story...

JUST DO IT!!!

Cheers,

Brad Spencer

[Harvey Segal]

Originally Posted by Brad Spencer

So moral of the story...

JUST DO IT!!!

Good advice.

I'll try to use it.

Harvey


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[Desmond Ong]

Haha...You've no idea how many of them (strangers...I don't even know them) message me here or on Skype asking me to give them free coaching until they make $10k a month for free.

[TLTheLiberator]

Agreed!

Just do it means getting on with your research to locate a proven online business model and then taking strategic action to implement your plan of attack.

If you adopt the tester mentality and follow proven guidelines nothing can stop you from creating a profitable online business - however you end up doing it.

These are the best of times and creating an profitable online business has never been easier than it is right now.

Get busy & productive & your dream can come true.

Doing actually does something to a person!

Hope This Helps!!

TL

[jbode]

The best way to learn is to go out and do it
-the most successful people had lots of failures... but they learned from them and kept going till they got!

'try' to remember that...

[Alexa Smith]

I think that in some contexts the words "try" and "test" have very similar meanings. Testing (as in split-testing, perhaps, in our context) is a way of trying various different things and monitoring the results carefully enough to establish through analysis whether they're improvements. "Trial and error", really: one "tries" many different things.

[netkid]

Hey Brad,

I remember years ago when I was guilty of saying the same thing to myself...."I'll try...or when I get to it....sounds like a good idea."

Since I became "actionable" on the things I now want to do, it has turned my life around. Result....now I am a serial entrepreneur!

Regards,

Bruce

[Sandor Verebi]

Originally Posted by Brad Spencer

...So moral of the story...

JUST DO IT!!! ...

And do not hold him/her back at least if you don't do it who does it.

Cheers,

Sandor
__________
"The motivation what starts. The custom is, that carries." Anon

[George Wright]

There will always be two schools of thought on this.

I guess Yoda did more than anyone else to vilify the word try, however I grew up with the phrase E for effort, then Yoda comes along and blows that in the minds of many.

I'll say this. I had a boss once who would say in answer to "I tried," (he would say) "To try is to fail with honor." I'm sure he got that from someone's psych book.

It was discouraging.

George Wright

[l2ascal]

You should always take action first
Very good advise. Although sometimes taking action takes $$$

[melanied]

It's true - it's amazing how many things that are routine tasks for me now seemed intimidating when I was first doing them. Jumping in and getting your feet wet is the only way to go!

[darrin_cooper]

I don't think it's a "JUST DO IT" kind of thing.
I think that you need to have a plan.
If you think about it, when people go to places for information, they are getting a disruptor to a means to an end. The disruptor is NOT the fact that they are going to get the information, the disruptor is the way the information is presented to them.
If the information is given in a half-assed form, & the person knows it, it becomes difficult for a person to just do it, because they are met with a disbelief, or some cause that has already stopped them....the crap that they read.
So, a better way is for others to produce real information, factual & substantiation, that will motivate a person to take an action. People are in a fact, "want it now", and "get-er done" modes all the time. But if there were truth to what a person was saying, "hey make x amount in 3 days", and here's is EXACTLY what I did, then it becomes a motivating factor that I could do it too, becuase you have provided me a blueprint. Therefore, there is no other reason for just TRYING, because you have everything you need. That's what I call SERVICE.

[ebizman87]

Originally Posted by Harvey.Segal

Good advice.

I'll try to use it.

Harvey


,

I don't think that you're going to DO it as you just said that I'll try to use it.

LOL!! Just kidding

[Harvey Segal]

Originally Posted by ebizman87

I don't think that you're going to DO it as you just said that I'll try to use it.

LOL!! Just kidding

Goodness me, did I really use the word 'try' ?

Harvey

[Diana Lane]

There are worse things in life than trying. It's better than sitting around waiting for a fortune to fall on you. 'Take action' jars with me a bit, though. For one thing, I think the expression is so overused on here now that a lot of people are just parroting it because they've seen so many others use it and have nothing substantial of their own to add.

Moreover, it's not really an expression that's naturally used in the normal course of events, and so it just sounds really artificial to me.

"Could you put the cat outside, please?"

"Sure thing, honey. I'll take action right now!"

Like Nike says, just do it.

[Steven Wagenheim]

Sorry, don't agree.

I try lots of things.

The stuff that works...I keep doing.

The stuff that doesn't work...I chuck to the curb.

There is nothing wrong with trying as long as you have a game plan in place
and a definite time frame for deciding on when to cut the cord if whatever
it is doesn't perform to your expectations.

If I took your advice, I'd still be doing paid to read emails and surveys for
peanuts.

[MarkMilan]

Originally Posted by Razer Rage

I think the point the OP is trying to make is that newbies tend to say that they'll try it but they never do, or they do try, but only half-heartedly and without any real direction.

The OP sounds like the end of Art Williams's "Just do it" speech. I'm inclined to think that inspirational speeches can fire people up, but rarely make a lasting impression.

[ijohnson]

"JUST DO IT!!!!" is my favorite quote and motivator. So, I guess I'll try to drop the word "try" from my vocabulary when I need to take action and move forward with my business. I find that I use "try" when I'm unsure about the steps I need to take and I have not clarified things enough to move forward with confidence.

I have also adopted the words "test" and "testing" to replace any negative words like "failed" or "failure" when I implement something that doesn't work out as expected. Instead of thinking of it as being a "failure" or "having failed" at getting things to work as planned, I view it as "testing" which has a more positive connotation, i.e, "That method didn't work for me but I'm testing another method now." For some reason, saying the word "failed", when I'm referring to an action I took, just zaps the energy right out of me. However, using the word "testing", when referring to my efforts, gives me the impetus to keep going and gives me more positive energy!

[Sven Schoene]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Sorry, don't agree.

I try lots of things.

The stuff that works...I keep doing.

The stuff that doesn't work...I chuck to the curb.

There is nothing wrong with trying as long as you have a game plan in place
and a definite time frame for deciding on when to cut the cord if whatever
it is doesn't perform to your expectations.

If I took your advice, I'd still be doing paid to read emails and surveys for
peanuts.

I agree with your point of view. I think what the OP meant is (and you, Brad, are free to correct me ) the "maybe"-try. Look at the two versions of "try" in use:

1.) The examples you gave, Steven, were a "try" in a sense of "I take action and see if it works." Nothing wrong with that, in fact, that's the right way to do it. If you say "I tried PPC and it damn sure as hell is nothing for me!" then you really said "I've taken action and done my own PPC-campaign and decided it is nothing for me!" This is awesome! You took action! Great!

2.) I think Brad meant that there is a lot of subliminal power behind the word "try" which might hold you back. It's based on the connotation of "maybe" that "try" carries with it in some contexts: "I will try out this PPC-campaign later." really means "I will MAYBE do a PPC-campaign sometimes when I get around to do it." This is annoying and maybe even slowing you down.

If you want to support yourself in the war against procrastination that we all face each day (sigh...) then you should, like Brad already suggested, stop using the phrase "I'll try." and keep saying to yourself "I'll do!"

You could also explain this with the help of the Law of Attraction. "I'll try to become rich." is not nearly as powerful as "I'm getting richer and richer in this very moment and my wealth is growing rapidly with every breath I make. I'm attracting more money with each second that passes." (Yes, a bit over the top, but hey, at least I made sure that you got the point!)

I understand of course that this kind of thinking might not be for everyone.

[Goatboy]

I think I understand where the OP is coming from. It is a matter of "certainty" of action.

Imagine being sick and needing treatment immediately. Would it be better to have the nurse say "I will try to help you" or "I will help you"? The word try in the first instance implies a potential for failure. I think that is where the Do/Not Do, Yoda thing comes in.

It seems to me that the original argument is centered around people not making the first step because they have only offered to "try" and so, they have an emotional excape hatch for failure to launch.

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by Sven Schoene

I agree with your point of view. I think what the OP meant is (and you, Brad, are free to correct me ) the "maybe"-try. Look at the two versions of "try" in use:

1.) The examples you gave, Steven, were a "try" in a sense of "I take action and see if it works." Nothing wrong with that, in fact, that's the right way to do it. If you say "I tried PPC and it damn sure as hell is nothing for me!" then you really said "I've taken action and done my own PPC-campaign and decided it is nothing for me!" This is awesome! You took action! Great!

2.) I think Brad meant that there is a lot of subliminal power behind the word "try" which might hold you back. It's based on the connotation of "maybe" that "try" carries with it in some contexts: "I will try out this PPC-campaign later." really means "I will MAYBE do a PPC-campaign sometimes when I get around to do it." This is annoying and maybe even slowing you down.

If you want to support yourself in the war against procrastination that we all face each day (sigh...) then you should, like Brad already suggested, stop using the phrase "I'll try." and keep saying to yourself "I'll do!"

You could also explain this with the help of the Law of Attraction. "I'll try to become rich." is not nearly as powerful as "I'm getting richer and richer in this very moment and my wealth is growing rapidly with every breath I make. I'm attracting more money with each second that passes." (Yes, a bit over the top, but hey, at least I made sure that you got the point!)

I understand of course that this kind of thinking might not be for everyone.

You make some good points and yes, it is possible I misunderstood the
point Brad was trying to make. Personally though, I don't have a problem
with somebody saying they'll "try" something as long as they really try it.

A lot of people will say that even really trying something isn't good enough.
That you have to do it and succeed with it. I don't believe that. I don't
feel that everything in life has the potential for success. May daughter,
God bless her, is never going to be a pro basketball player. Not at 5 foot
nothing. She can try all she likes. She'd be better off spending her time
doing something that she is more suited for.

Point is, I believe that each person has their own destiny as far as what
they're going to excel in. They may not know what it is yet, but it's there.
They simply have to find it.

And they involves trying.

Naturally, I don't expect everybody to agree with my philosophy about this
but it is the way I feel.

[Sven Schoene]

Steven, I do not think that at least we two do have anything we argue about. I agree with you 100%.

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Personally though, I don't have a problem with somebody saying they'll "try" something as long as they really try it.

That is the "I REALLY am going to try it out!"-state-of-mind which is awesome. It is the "I will do it and see if it works out." It's the "I'll take action!" or, even simpler "Just do it!"-mindset.

But what about people who say "I'll try it out." and then they don't? They procrastinate over the nercassary steps they need to make. They do not take action, for whatever reason (fear, no time, not knowing how to "try" something out, etc.). That's what Brad, the OP, said is annoying.

You are right about the inherent limitations we all have though. The thing is, I would respect your little daughter if she REALLY TRIED to become a great basketball-player, pouring her whole energy and heart into the practice of this sport, sacrificing time for friends and other hobbies, just to reach her dream.That's the type of "trying" that I admire, whether or not she will ever achieve that dream.

[Brad Spencer]

Wow, didn't think I was going to inspire such a conversation...just spouting off about things I get from people in response to tips I've given or an email I send out...

Here's my bit on each of these quotes....

Originally Posted by BizzyUK

Your objection to the use of the word "try" is a little bit silly.

Where are you getting this stuff from (aside from Yoda)?

BizzyUK

The reality is most people "try" something and it's their excuse for not doing something...

The problem with it is people a lot of times won't say "I don't like that" or "it doesn't make sense" b/c it means they are making a stand. This is subtle psychology in action and a Sociology 101 class will teach you this. People don't want confrontation most of the time.

That's where I get it from

Originally Posted by Imran Naseem

I always say "take action".

As long as they take action they are fine.

You got my point exactly... Thanks

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Sorry, don't agree.

I try lots of things.

The stuff that works...I keep doing.

The stuff that doesn't work...I chuck to the curb.

There is nothing wrong with trying as long as you have a game plan in place
and a definite time frame for deciding on when to cut the cord if whatever
it is doesn't perform to your expectations.

If I took your advice, I'd still be doing paid to read emails and surveys for
peanuts.

Steven, you rock and I think you misunderstood my intention. I notice you realized this fact further down the thread...

I think that we are on the same page here b/c you are talking about physically doing a task when something is suggested. I totally agree you need some kind of "fine line" where you cease doing something if it isn't working...

Originally Posted by Razer Rage

I think the point the OP is trying to make is that newbies tend to say that they'll try it but they never do, or they do try, but only half-heartedly and without any real direction.

Exactly what I wanted to say with a slight twist. You need a plan...but you need to implement that plan whatever it may be.

Originally Posted by Jeff Hope

What's really annoying is when people throw the Yoda phrase at you blindly, seemingly without any clue that there are many contexts and subtleties associated with the word "try".

You can try article marketing, and decide it's not for you.

You can try to do your own copywriting, and decide it makes more sense to outsource it.

You can try pay-per-click advertising, and find your marketing budget completely gone in a day or two.

Each of those activities involves taking action, yet the common English phrasing to describe it includes the word "try".

The key here though which is what my intention on this thread is that you actually wrote the articles, wrote sales copy and decided to outsource it in the future, and you started a PPC campaign and spent too much money...

Key thing here though is that you did it...and didn't just "try" it...

We're not far off...just a different word to say the same thing. My foreign friends hate this about English b/c there are 4 meanings for the same word sometimes

Originally Posted by Sven Schoene

I agree with your point of view. I think what the OP meant is (and you, Brad, are free to correct me ) the "maybe"-try. Look at the two versions of "try" in use:

1.) The examples you gave, Steven, were a "try" in a sense of "I take action and see if it works." Nothing wrong with that, in fact, that's the right way to do it. If you say "I tried PPC and it damn sure as hell is nothing for me!" then you really said "I've taken action and done my own PPC-campaign and decided it is nothing for me!" This is awesome! You took action! Great!

2.) I think Brad meant that there is a lot of subliminal power behind the word "try" which might hold you back. It's based on the connotation of "maybe" that "try" carries with it in some contexts: "I will try out this PPC-campaign later." really means "I will MAYBE do a PPC-campaign sometimes when I get around to do it." This is annoying and maybe even slowing you down.

If you want to support yourself in the war against procrastination that we all face each day (sigh...) then you should, like Brad already suggested, stop using the phrase "I'll try." and keep saying to yourself "I'll do!"

You could also explain this with the help of the Law of Attraction. "I'll try to become rich." is not nearly as powerful as "I'm getting richer and richer in this very moment and my wealth is growing rapidly with every breath I make. I'm attracting more money with each second that passes." (Yes, a bit over the top, but hey, at least I made sure that you got the point!)

I understand of course that this kind of thinking might not be for everyone.

Thanks for getting my point and seeing the truth in it.



To all- I'm glad everyone thought enough about this thread to write responses. The key is to do something, see if it works for you, and then move on. You move forward by walking, running, or crawling...not by sitting still. Which was my sole intention with the thread!


Cheers to all,

Brad Spencer

[Steven Wagenheim]

You're right Brad. We get way too hung up on words when it comes to
the English language. One person sees the word "try" to mean one thing
and another person sees a whole different meaning.

I personally hate it when people play word games and ironically, I think we
are both guilty of that in this thread, which is why I usually try to stay out
of discussions like this because they ultimately lead to arguments.

For this reason, I tend to look at things as black and white. I take people
at their word. In other words, if somebody says to me that they're going to
"try" something, I take it to mean the following:

"They are going to do that thing, whatever it is, and see if it is something
that is right for them."

That is how I define the word try.

If we're arguing about the word, that's one thing.

If we're arguing about the intention behind the word, that's something
else entirely. I'm never going to assume that when somebody says to me
that they're going to "try" something that they're just giving me lip service
and that they really don't mean it...ultimately just doing nothing.

And if that's what happens, it's their problem...not mine. But thats' a whole
different issue.

Maybe my problem with the whole thread was using the word "newbies".

Not all newbies, when they say they're going to try something, are just
making excuses. Some, like me when I was a newbie, actually mean it.
When I tried something, I tried it. Sometimes to a fault. And then when I
got nowhere with it, I'd get frustrated and start bitching about it.

And yes, sometimes I'd be given advice to do something and something
about the advice didn't sit right with me, so I'd say to the person, "Okay,
I'll give it a try" just to get them off my back, especially if they kept
harping on it. And then I'd just toss the idea to the curb because I thought
it was crap to begin with.

I understand that this is totally different from the person who has no
sense of commitment to anything and no matter what you say to them,
they're going to end up sitting on their backside doing nothing.

Again, I can't worry about it.

You say it drives you nuts?

It doesn't even register on my emotional meter because I simply can't be
bothered with people like that.

I have too many important things to do.

[mikemcmillan]

Brad, is this some kind of Jedi mind trick? I hate it when that happens.

People say not to put all of your eggs in one basket. But I try to find the best basket and overload it to the max. The problem is you have to try a lot of baskets on to find the best one. It's like the carpenter's adage: Measure twice and cut once. Trying is sort of like the measuring part of it.

[ebuyer123]

Can't really see what's wrong with the "TRY" in this context:

"I always TRY my VERY best..."

[Mubarak Waseem]

Right!

Thanks for that. I need to go buy some stuff for my latest Special offer...

[CashTactics]

I kinda disagree with your use of saying "try" I think its okay in some respects to online marketing. I will however agree that the biggest hold back to people new in the industry is their lack of doing or actually trying the things we are helping them with. The two biggest things I see are:
1. Not doing/not trying
and
2. Not having the patience to test. They start and stop once it isn't making them $1000 a day after 5 hours of being up.

This is a business. You have to DO it to MAKE it.

[Ken Durham]

Trying your best is the key I believe. But you must also try with some information and a plan. You can try all you want at flapping your arms and trying to fly. Probably not going to happen. But at least you tried.....right?
If proper research was put into the subject before the flapping began they would have known that the aerodynamics are not quite right and flap all you want you are not going to get off the ground. Perhaps a good subject for weight loss but not for flight.
So something different needs to be tried. Like getting some wings.

A lot of people try IM by putting up a website developed in 20 minutes with frontpage and connect a few feeds. Perhaps 10 minutes worth of research and a design sketched out on a napkin.
This is the "try" that is a poor excuse.

I recently talked with one person that had changed their niche 4 times in 2 months!
After a week or so they got discouraged and would try something else.
That meant 20 more minutes at Frontpage trying....

There is no success in this sort of "try". We all know the work it takes.

[Brad Spencer]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

You're right Brad. We get way too hung up on words when it comes to
the English language. One person sees the word "try" to mean one thing
and another person sees a whole different meaning.

I personally hate it when people play word games and ironically, I think we
are both guilty of that in this thread, which is why I usually try to stay out
of discussions like this because they ultimately lead to arguments.

For this reason, I tend to look at things as black and white. I take people
at their word. In other words, if somebody says to me that they're going to
"try" something, I take it to mean the following:

"They are going to do that thing, whatever it is, and see if it is something
that is right for them."

That is how I define the word try.

If we're arguing about the word, that's one thing.

If we're arguing about the intention behind the word, that's something
else entirely. I'm never going to assume that when somebody says to me
that they're going to "try" something that they're just giving me lip service
and that they really don't mean it...ultimately just doing nothing.

And if that's what happens, it's their problem...not mine. But thats' a whole
different issue.

Maybe my problem with the whole thread was using the word "newbies".

Not all newbies, when they say they're going to try something, are just
making excuses. Some, like me when I was a newbie, actually mean it.
When I tried something, I tried it. Sometimes to a fault. And then when I
got nowhere with it, I'd get frustrated and start bitching about it.

And yes, sometimes I'd be given advice to do something and something
about the advice didn't sit right with me, so I'd say to the person, "Okay,
I'll give it a try" just to get them off my back, especially if they kept
harping on it. And then I'd just toss the idea to the curb because I thought
it was crap to begin with.

I understand that this is totally different from the person who has no
sense of commitment to anything and no matter what you say to them,
they're going to end up sitting on their backside doing nothing.

Again, I can't worry about it.

You say it drives you nuts?

It doesn't even register on my emotional meter because I simply can't be
bothered with people like that.

I have too many important things to do.

Steven,

"Drive me nuts" might be a bit overdone. It's just when you take time to give someone advice and they come back in the same situation...that makes me crazy. Only b/c I want to help them but they won't do it. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink...alas but when someone is bitching about being thirsty....

I guess sometimes I care too much...oh well...good exercise.

You're awesome and really one of the smartest people on WF...thanks for participating.

Originally Posted by mikemcmillan

Brad, is this some kind of Jedi mind trick? I hate it when that happens.

People say not to put all of your eggs in one basket. But I try to find the best basket and overload it to the max. The problem is you have to try a lot of baskets on to find the best one. It's like the carpenter's adage: Measure twice and cut once. Trying is sort of like the measuring part of it.

I like your carpenter saying. however, you must be willing to take the tape measure out...a lot of people don't do that even...

That's my problem...

Originally Posted by CashTactics

I kinda disagree with your use of saying "try" I think its okay in some respects to online marketing. I will however agree that the biggest hold back to people new in the industry is their lack of doing or actually trying the things we are helping them with. The two biggest things I see are:
1. Not doing/not trying
and
2. Not having the patience to test. They start and stop once it isn't making them $1000 a day after 5 hours of being up.

This is a business. You have to DO it to MAKE it.

Overall, my online problem is that i want people to DO something...if that is "trying" to some people fine. But don't "try" something if you aren't gonna do it.

That's all I'm saying...

Cheers,

Brad Spencer

[Brad Spencer]

Exactly my point! You have to stick to it...and consistently do it. No matter what you do it's gonna take time to improve, measure results, and see if it's worth your time.

You don't get that experience by wondering if it can be done. If you are gonna test article marketing...write 50 articles, submit to multiple directories and see how much traffic you get. If you aren't doing that then you won't be good at anything.

4 niches in 2 months is the exact kind of thing that makes me crazy when people ask for help.

Cheers,

Brad Spencer

Originally Posted by HomeComputerGames

Trying your best is the key I believe. But you must also try with some information and a plan. You can try all you want at flapping your arms and trying to fly. Probably not going to happen. But at least you tried.....right?
If proper research was put into the subject before the flapping began they would have known that the aerodynamics are not quite right and flap all you want you are not going to get off the ground. Perhaps a good subject for weight loss but not for flight.
So something different needs to be tried. Like getting some wings.

A lot of people try IM by putting up a website developed in 20 minutes with frontpage and connect a few feeds. Perhaps 10 minutes worth of research and a design sketched out on a napkin.
This is the "try" that is a poor excuse.

I recently talked with one person that had changed their niche 4 times in 2 months!
After a week or so they got discouraged and would try something else.
That meant 20 more minutes at Frontpage trying....

There is no success in this sort of "try". We all know the work it takes.

[elle56]

Before I go full throttle on a method, I test or try it first. Why? I want to see if it works for me. I don't want to be taking action left and right without trying it first and to see if its a good fit with my plans.

[TelegramSam]

Re: OP - JUST DO IT!!!


I've just made a decision:

Tomorrow, I am definitely going to give this some more thought :-)

[Brad Spencer]

Originally Posted by elle56

Before I go full throttle on a method, I test or try it first. Why? I want to see if it works for me. I don't want to be taking action left and right without trying it first and to see if its a good fit with my plans.

Just make sure that you do it...or you won't get anywhere...that's all I'm saying...

Originally Posted by TelegramSam

Re: OP - JUST DO IT!!!


I've just made a decision:

Tomorrow, I am definitely going to give this some more thought :-)

[total_freedom]

I hate the word 'newbie'. Just sayin'.

To me, it's about intent.

Sometimes 'try' can mean 'attempt'. As long as an attempt is made, a real one.

Follow through is tough for many people.

From what I've seen, there's definitely a market for coaching people on this forum for following through on their goals, and sticking to one thing.

p

[tldnetworks]

I don't want to "try" anything. I just want to "buy" something in the Warrior Special Offers Forum. I can't post sold or pm the seller, so we're both out $

[djjayd]

There is a huge market for coaching and mentoring. I believe its the best way to get ahead in just about any business. The trick is finding the right mentor. Someone you can trust that is not going to steer you down a road of sinking more money and effort into something that has little to no chance of making you successful. This is a big problem I see in network marketing. A lot of people fail, not because they are lazy or stupid, but because the "gurus" flat out LIE to people about how to be successful with their systems. Heres an example.
Guru #1 sells you their system. They advise you to promote the system, using the back office tools, and show other people how to do the same thing. Build your list, email them. Do blogs. You guys get the idea.
Seems simple right? Refer -> Sponsor -> Duplicate
Problem is you dont have the same skills as the guru. They started off knowing how to advertise, how to sell, how to get people involved in their system. You are basically just another venue to promote and get more people into the business, however, why would someone want to sign up under you? Why should anyone trust you?
Look bottom line is this. Everyone needs a coach, everyone needs to work on themselves and make themselves better before they can run a successful business. Then when you have the skills and knowledge to do it, it is much easier for you to sponsor people and teach them what you know and duplicate your system. Whatever system or company you are involved in you want to make sure that it is something that you can do part time and for a long time. Use the five pillar method.

#1 - Company management integrity (who is behind the business - ceo)
#2 - Timing in the company ,sometimes its too late or early to get involved
#3 - Product that is remarkable (would you buy it at that price?)
#4 - Compensation plan that rewards part time (enough said)
#5 - Duplicatable system - (can anyone do it, or only rocket scientists)

But again first things first is work on yourself and get a good coach. One that isnt trying to push you into his or her system, but rather wants to work with you on bettering yourself.

[John Durham]

I will never forget when I was managing a telemarketing room, a certain guy kept asking me to get him a raise.... I kept saying "I'll try" or "I'm trying".

One day he dropped a piece of paper on the floor and said "would you have to try to pick that up". I picked it up embarrassed and said "I get your point". He proceeded with "Everyday you tell us we can do anything we set our minds to... you know I deserve this raise. I think if you stop trying and just decide to 'DO IT' then it can be done".

He was right. , and he got a raise the next day.

There's a time to "state" your case, and there's a time to "plead" your case.

When we decide to stop "trying" and just "do", it's amazing what happens.

The other moral of that story is that "The squeaky wheel gets the oil".

For those of you that have a job (uhg!) out there, I can tell you that usually the guy who bugs the boss every single day gets a raise before the guy who deserves it more but just quietly works and never says anything. Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?

Hope that empowers someone!

Originally Posted by tldnetworks

I don't want to "try" anything. I just want to "buy" something in the Warrior Special Offers Forum. I can't post sold or pm the seller, so we're both out $

Find some threads where you can truly make a contribution and get your post count up. It only takes an hour or two and you will be blessed helping people in the process with what you know. If you dont know IM there's other places here to contribute on all kinds of subjects. Spend a couple of hours helping people and you will have a good time and get there more quickly than you imagine.

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Sorry, don't agree.

I try lots of things.

The stuff that works...I keep doing.

Steven: You "do" alot of things thus the following statement " Stuff that works...I KEEP 'doing' "

[ken_p]

Originally Posted by Desmond Ong

Haha...You've no idea how many of them (strangers...I don't even know them) message me here or on Skype asking me to give them free coaching until they make $10k a month for free.

Really? that's quite funny. and what did you tell them?

[ThalesMM]

Sounds like it is all a state of mind..
From now on trying and relative words are gone.
Now it's do, do and... do again!
As they say, failing is succeeding.. and any kind of action is better than thousand of theories... (or something like that.. lol)

Thanks, I'm doing it from now on

[Kevin Riley]

I'm in full agreement with Brad. I cringe when somebody says they'll "try" to do something, because in about 95% of cases it means that they'll do nothing.

I did not get to where I am with my online businesses, or any of my previous offline businesses, by assaulting the day with a "try" attitude. I only play to WIN.