"What Was the Hardest Thing To Accept About I.M?"

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Whether newbie or veteran.
What is or was the hardest thing for you to accept about Internet marketing.

Especially after you gained a little experience.

For example, I could name dozens but the hardest one for me to accept and act on was you have to look at it as a business.

I always wanted to look at it as a money making endeavor, you know like most of the ads, and marketing materials I received hinted it could be.

But it never really started working for me until I started looking at it as a business. Seems obvious to me now but back then it didn't.

I'd be interested in hearing your story. No judgement from me. Promise.
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  • Profile picture of the author John J M
    It's been hard to accept just how important feedback and positive reputation is online.

    Fortunately, I've been able to gain that over time, but it really takes a lot longer than most people seem to want to wait. I had a lot of the skills I still use today when I got started. Not that much has changed. What has changed is the stamp of approval from others.

    As online marketers of all kinds, we have to work hard for that.
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  • Profile picture of the author nicholasb
    I think people refuse to believe there is work involved.

    That it is a business, and will require commitment.

    They will have to accept responsibility if they fail, and I personally don't think most people know what they are getting into.
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    • Profile picture of the author entrepreneurjay
      Originally Posted by nicholasb View Post

      I think people refuse to believe there is work involved.

      That it is a business, and will require commitment.

      They will have to accept responsibility if they fail, and I personally don't think most people know what they are getting into.
      Well said it takes work, but it is so worth it If your lazy your in the wrong business.
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    • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
      Originally Posted by nicholasb View Post

      I think people refuse to believe there is work involved.

      That it is a business, and will require commitment.

      They will have to accept responsibility if they fail, and I personally don't think most people know what they are getting into.
      Good point, but in all fairness I would wager most people got into IM because they thought it was less work. I'll admit I did.

      In other words that's what first got my attention. I've been doing this for over 30 years and I've yet to see an ad or sales letter explaining how hard you'll have to work ... or how long it may take to succeed.

      If they did the market would probably be half the size it is now. But yes, your point is spot on.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ian Jackson
        Originally Posted by The Niche Man View Post

        Good point, but in all fairness I would wager most people got into IM because they thought it was less work. I'll admit I did.

        In other words that's what first got my attention. I've been doing this for over 30 years and I've yet to see an ad or sales letter explaining how hard you'll have to work ... or how long it may take to succeed.

        If they did the market would probably be half the size it is now. But yes, your point is spot on.
        But in all fairness... I think people see it as probably easier, rather than less?

        The most difficult thing that I had to accept from the point of view of being an employee, was that it is often much harder than in off line world. Potentially more resources in one space etc, but research, knowing what to believe (or not), monitoring, testing etc. Still can't do it !
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    • Profile picture of the author greenowl123
      Originally Posted by Samuel Giovanni Romain View Post

      Money doesn't come instantly.

      This was the thing for me as well.

      I never expected the money to come "instantly" when I got started back in 2008, but I was hoping it would come to me a little bit faster than trying to pour molasses on a cold January morning
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  • Profile picture of the author aarthielumalai
    I don't think the work part was ever hard to accept. I started with small freelancing jobs, and I worked without sleep most of my vacation.

    I guess the hardest thing to accept was that losing is a part of this business (any business actually). That, I could work as hard as I want, but there is still a chance that the project I was working on will not get me the results I want, or no results at all.

    It took me years to accept that.
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  • Profile picture of the author JensSteyaert
    I think the hardest thing to accept is that you need patience in this business, and there are no magic solutions to make money fast. There are some great proven methods that will allow you tol live this type of lifestyle, but they all involve hard work.

    If you do'nt enjoy being online and doing the work, then you have to accept this business is not for you...
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  • Profile picture of the author Carl Donovan
    Consistency and focus.
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  • Profile picture of the author IMStephen
    I agree with all the replies above!

    But ... negative feedback from customers is my own add.
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
    Niche Man! Speaking the same, clear message, day after day, explaining what you do, and how it benefits others...so...brutal persistence
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    For me, it was accepting that people won't buy something they need, but they'll hock their souls for something they want bad enough. My first several failures were trying to get people to get something they needed.

    Now to go back and read what others have to say...

    Nice topic, Niche Man.
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    • Profile picture of the author jeremy49
      Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

      For me, it was accepting that people won't buy something they need, but they'll hock their souls for something they want bad enough. My first several failures were trying to get people to get something they needed.
      Absolutely. When you are trying to build a great product, you want to do the best for your customers, so you try to give them what they need. But as you said they will hock their souls for what they want. The skill for IM is giving them what they need disguised as what they want !
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      • Profile picture of the author greenowl123
        Originally Posted by jeremy49 View Post

        The skill for IM is giving them what they need disguised as what they want !
        Love this ! Never heard it put like that before, but this is exactly what it`s all about.
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      • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
        Originally Posted by jeremy49 View Post

        Absolutely. The skill for IM is giving them what they need disguised as what they want !
        Wow, I'd pay good money if someone could teach me to do that consistently.
        That'd be like having the keys to the kingdom.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      I actually don't think there is anything to accept. There are no absolutes in this business because each business model is different. What's true for one person won't be true for another. I guess the hardest thing for me to "accept", though I always knew it was possible, was that failure can come after success. Look how many times Donald Trump lost his fortune.

      I'm currently rebuilding. And while I'm confident that I'll eventually be back to where I was, there is no guarantee that I'll stay there. Markets change. Technology changes. Did anybody have personal computers in their homes 40 years ago? What I've had to "accept" these past 11 years may not even exist 11 years from now.

      I take it one day at a time. I accept that I can only control the things that are within my control. The rest, I can simply react to and do my best to deal with.

      My time online has taught me a lot. Most of all it taught me that old cliche is true.

      There is nothing certain except death and taxes.
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  • Profile picture of the author drem
    The hardest thing to accept for me was that IM is a real business. My failures were my own fault for either having not worked hard enough or following the wrong path to success.

    The second realization was that there is a lot of misinformation out there, so pick a proven tactic and run with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author ecoverartist
    The hardest thing for me to accept is that people are stubborn to change, even if it's in their best interest. You can give someone all the tools, advice, etc. you wish you'd had when you'd started, but if they do nothing with them, they'll stay right where they are...or worse, they'll drag everyone else down with them, like crabs in a bucket.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bryan Harkins
    The hardest thing for me to accept was that I had to learn copywriting . Shortly after I got started I realized that copywriting is a vital skill to have in this business. If you are a good copywriter you can sell just about anything
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  • Profile picture of the author tristatemedia
    hardest for me to accept is working alot harder than the normal person and knowing alot more .....but still no money. does not add up
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      You know, I've been doing a little more thinking of this question and I did realize that there is something that most people have a problem with and it applies to any business regardless of what it is.

      A story will best relate what I'm going to say.

      Many years ago, I went to a songwriters convention because I wanted to be a big time songwriter. That was my dream. Well, after the convention, I signed up for the group. We would brainstorm ideas, play our songs for each other and hopefully come up with something good enough for the guys running the group to pitch to publishers.

      Now these weren't just some jerks off the street. These were industry professionals, one of them being the guy who happened to discover Bon Jovi. He spotted what they had right away and the rest was history. So he knows what sells.

      Anyway, we're all playing our songs for the group thinking this is the best stuff since The Beatles. I honestly thought my music was great.

      Well, I could see him shaking his head after hearing all these songs, mine included, and he finally said to us these words and I will never forget them.

      "It's very difficult to admit that your child has cancer. After all, it's YOUR child and it can't possibly be sick. Well, your songs are no different. It's hard to admit they have cancer, but they do. They're sick and they need medical attention."

      I got what he was trying to say.

      It is so difficult to look at what you're doing and see the flaws in it. I have a terrible problem with this. I think most people do. Even worse, I think most people have trouble evaluating just how good they are at something, good or bad. How many talented people walk around thinking they're not good enough? Conversely, how many people with absolutely no talent think they're the greatest thing since sliced bread?

      I have been told by a few people that I'm a good writer. But I've also been told by others that I'm a hack. Honestly, I don't know where I fit between those two extremes. I do know after 35 years I haven't had one song recorded by a major artist. My articles made me some money for a little while so I guess I can't be all bad.

      But honestly, I can't even begin to evaluate my skill level versus other peoples and what it needs to be in order to achieve "success." Mostly, I feel like I'm stuck in no man's land. I feel like I could do better in everything I do and at the same time, I feel that what I'm doing is "good enough."

      Sound familiar?

      Well, the question is, IS it good enough?

      Right now, the way things have been going, it would be hard to answer that in the affirmative. I mean it's not like I'm taking the world by storm these days.

      Looking in the mirror and honestly telling yourself how good or bad you are at something has to be one of the hardest things in the world to do on 2 levels.

      1) Pride almost always gets in the way.

      2) How many of us are actually skilled at self evaluation? I know I'm sure as hell not.

      Have you noticed that the most successful people in the world, for the most part, don't brag? I certainly can't say that about myself when I was going well. I was totally full of myself. Kind of funny when I think about it now. Because today, there are people who have been in business less than 6 months making more money than I make.

      So I don't know about the rest of you, but I need to get better at self evaluation. That way, when I recognize the areas where I'm weak, I can then seek out the help that I need from the people who AREN'T weak in those areas.

      That's why for my next product, no way in hell I write my own sales copy. I'm going to leave that in the hands of a professional if I can find one that I can afford. And I think I've got one picked out.

      Anyway, I think that's probably the hardest thing for anybody to do, accurately evaluate their own skills.
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      • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        You know, I've been doing a little more thinking of this question and I did realize that there is something that most people have a problem with and it applies to any business regardless of what it is.

        A story will best relate what I'm going to say.

        Many years ago, I went to a songwriters convention because I wanted to be a big time songwriter. That was my dream. Well, after the convention, I signed up for the group. We would brainstorm ideas, play our songs for each other and hopefully come up with something good enough for the guys running the group to pitch to publishers.

        Now these weren't just some jerks off the street. These were industry professionals, one of them being the guy who happened to discover Bon Jovi. He spotted what they had right away and the rest was history. So he knows what sells.

        Anyway, we're all playing our songs for the group thinking this is the best stuff since The Beatles. I honestly thought my music was great.

        Well, I could see him shaking his head after hearing all these songs, mine included, and he finally said to us these words and I will never forget them.

        "It's very difficult to admit that your child has cancer. After all, it's YOUR child and it can't possibly be sick. Well, your songs are no different. It's hard to admit they have cancer, but they do. They're sick and they need medical attention."

        I got what he was trying to say.

        It is so difficult to look at what you're doing and see the flaws in it. I have a terrible problem with this. I think most people do. Even worse, I think most people have trouble evaluating just how good they are at something, good or bad. How many talented people walk around thinking they're not good enough? Conversely, how many people with absolutely no talent think they're the greatest thing since sliced bread?

        I have been told by a few people that I'm a good writer. But I've also been told by others that I'm a hack. Honestly, I don't know where I fit between those two extremes. I do know after 35 years I haven't had one song recorded by a major artist. My articles made me some money for a little while so I guess I can't be all bad.

        But honestly, I can't even begin to evaluate my skill level versus other peoples and what it needs to be in order to achieve "success." Mostly, I feel like I'm stuck in no man's land. I feel like I could do better in everything I do and at the same time, I feel that what I'm doing is "good enough."

        Sound familiar?

        Well, the question is, IS it good enough?

        Right now, the way things have been going, it would be hard to answer that in the affirmative. I mean it's not like I'm taking the world by storm these days.

        Looking in the mirror and honestly telling yourself how good or bad you are at something has to be one of the hardest things in the world to do on 2 levels.

        1) Pride almost always gets in the way.

        2) How many of us are actually skilled at self evaluation? I know I'm sure as hell not.

        Have you noticed that the most successful people in the world, for the most part, don't brag? I certainly can't say that about myself when I was going well. I was totally full of myself. Kind of funny when I think about it now. Because today, there are people who have been in business less than 6 months making more money than I make.

        So I don't know about the rest of you, but I need to get better at self evaluation. That way, when I recognize the areas where I'm weak, I can then seek out the help that I need from the people who AREN'T weak in those areas.

        That's why for my next product, no way in hell I write my own sales copy. I'm going to leave that in the hands of a professional if I can find one that I can afford. And I think I've got one picked out.

        Anyway, I think that's probably the hardest thing for anybody to do, accurately evaluate their own skills.
        Many good points, I've asked that question in days gone by. And I'd often get a surface answer like the amount of sales, money or postive results you get is the best indicator. But it doesn't always reveal the degree.

        For example, you may have low or even no sales but I've seen copywriters change 2 words in a headline and get incredible results. Or a sales woman friend of mine ( on the verge of quitting) change the angle or emphasis in her presentation and win sales awards the next month.

        Sometimes success is only a step, word or action away. It's important to know people who know how to not only evvaluate what you do but know how to tweak. The right tweak can go a long way.

        Self evaluation is important. But I have to have some kind of yardstick outside of myself. Or at the least surround myself with people (not yes men) who'll give me the straight truth with no chaser.
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      • Profile picture of the author IrisMKH
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Anyway, I think that's probably the hardest thing for anybody to do, accurately evaluate their own skills.
        Chipping in - I agree that it's insanely difficult. I have some experience in language learning and drawing and I notice this all the time.

        What's fascinating is that inexperienced people greatly overestimate their skills and the more proficient ones tend to lack self confidence.
        Heck, I see that at school every day. The students who study the most also stress the most. The number one stress chicken I know is a guy who tends to get 100% on his exams. No, seriously, to the point I worry about him dying young :/
        It's known as the Dunning Kruger effect. I think this happens because... when you learn about something, you also realise how many more things there are you don't know or can't do.

        Also, this is the first time I heard songs being compared to children with cancer. Fascinating analogy
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        • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
          Originally Posted by IrisMKH View Post

          The number one stress chicken I know is a guy who tends to get 100% on his exams.
          It's known as the Dunning Kruger effect. I think this happens because... when you learn about something, you also realise how many more things there are you don't know or can't do.
          Interesting. That reminds me of stories I've read and heard about basketball greats like Michael Jordan, Larry Bird and Kobe Bryant.

          After participating in gut wrenching practices and watching teammates limp, crawl or get carried to the showers. What did they do?

          Stay behind and ...
          - Shoot 300 Jump Shots (Michael Jordan).
          - Shoot 500 Free Throws (Larry Bird).
          - Shoot 100 Jump Shots (Kobe Bryant).

          Insane!

          Maybe they had a little of that Dunning Kruger Effect.
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      Originally Posted by tristatemedia View Post

      hardest for me to accept is working alot harder than the normal person and knowing alot more .....but still no money. does not add up
      This goes back to the age old phrase: No pain, no gain. This is why many fail unfortunately. Many are not willing to endure the upfront pain, before they see the gain. Business opportunity gurus feed this attitude by pitching push button riches.
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  • Profile picture of the author Omar White
    Hi John J Rivers and nicholasb
    I Totally agree with you guys and i hope all IMs can get that from the VERY beginning
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  • Profile picture of the author internetmarketer1
    The biggest thing that was hardest for me to accept was that the results of others won't happen for me in overnight. I remember dreaming about having thousands of Clickbank sales, and is would barely ever do anything to make it happen.

    I also always thought it was about knowing as many things as possible, but little did I know that the lesser you know the better.
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  • Profile picture of the author wesleywinter
    People like to envision working from home as being simple and easy. When people think of working from home they think of "Beaches" and "Islands" but what they don't realize is its a lot harder than that.

    I am not going to lie. When I first start my IM adventure I though the same thing.

    "How cool would it be to work from home and do whatever I want"?

    I now know that it takes a lot of hard work and dedication to get your IM business going. You have to take it seriously and look at it like a real business or you will not get far with it.

    Once I started looking at internet marketing like a real business or a real job I started having some success. I still have a long way to go but I am happy how far I have came.
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    • Profile picture of the author Global Content Services
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      Originally Posted by wesleywinter View Post

      People like to envision working from home as being simple and easy. When people think of working from home they think of "Beaches" and "Islands" but what they don't realize is its a lot harder than that.
      What you said is so true!

      I think the hardest thing for me to accept is that people look down on you like a bum who likes staying home and doing nothing (that's what they think).
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  • Profile picture of the author saluca
    the hardest thing to accept was that you will never make ANYTHING unless you are willing to take the plunge and get your message out there, regardless of how good your message is. Don't put it off and put it off. Too many people have big dreams. Too few people take the necessary steps.
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    • Profile picture of the author jeremy49
      Originally Posted by saluca View Post

      the hardest thing to accept was that you will never make ANYTHING unless you are willing to take the plunge and get your message out there, regardless of how good your message is. Don't put it off and put it off. Too many people have big dreams. Too few people take the necessary steps.
      Get the message out there and ask for feedback of what is right and what is not.
      It is so difficult to look at what you're doing and see the flaws in it. I have a terrible problem with this. I think most people do. Even worse, I think most people have trouble evaluating just how good they are at something, good or bad. How many talented people walk around thinking they're not good enough? Conversely, how many people with absolutely no talent think they're the greatest thing since sliced bread?
      Again good feedback is essential to grow a business.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    Originally Posted by The Niche Man View Post

    Whether newbie or veteran.
    What is or was the hardest thing for you to accept about Internet marketing.

    Especially after you gained a little experience.

    For example, I could name dozens but the hardest one for me to accept and act on was you have to look at it as a business.

    I always wanted to look at it as a money making endeavor, you know like most of the ads, and marketing materials I received hinted it could be.

    But it never really started working for me until I started looking at it as a business. Seems obvious to me now but back then it didn't.

    I'd be interested in hearing your story. No judgement from me. Promise.
    One of the hardest things for me to accept when I first starting making money was learning to let go of certain things.

    I tried doing everything myself at first, even when I started doing well. I didn't want to outsource. What it did was hurt my company's growth. If I had outsourced things like my accounting, taxes, web design, content and/or product creation, affiliate management, etc. I would have grown much faster and made more money.

    It was tough for me to accept that in order to grow I had to let go of certain things and let others handle them.

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  • Profile picture of the author Jesus Perez
    1) Do as they do....not as they teach. Watch carefully and reverse engineer anyone you're about to purchase from.

    2) WF is a buyer's forum. This is where the "big dogs" go when they need to find a new product to sell.

    3) Most of the advice here is from people that haven't sold a thing. So be careful who you listen to.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    It wouldn't happen overnight. I even dropped out of college thinking i was going to make $10,000 a month selling a $300 product..... on a $50/month classified advertising budget. I dont regret it tho..
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  • Profile picture of the author cyberzolo
    Making money is NOT guaranteed. Plus the fact that it is a lot harder than it seems.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

      There is nothing certain except death and taxes.
      And if you believe the late night infomercials and big pharma ads, they've got death on the run...
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  • Profile picture of the author Lurk
    Kinda hard to want to work hard when you see stuff like $30,000 a month easy in peoples sigs.
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    • Profile picture of the author squidface
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      Originally Posted by Lurk View Post

      Kinda hard to want to work hard when you see stuff like $30,000 a month easy in peoples sigs.
      and then 2 months later they are begging for handouts...|Seen it many times. it's a joke
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  • Profile picture of the author squidface
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    You are dealing with dick heads mostly.

    You have no ideas who is sending you the latest "i just want to become a millionaire" email.

    Sick to death of it. Complete B*S*

    Look on thi splace how many posts start with

    "how can i make a killing" - no business experience, not even making any profit but they wan tto make a killing!

    "How can i make $10 per day"

    "Can't pay rent need help - buy my latest easily make $15,000 a month wso" TOO FUNNY!

    "I am broke, druggie, convict but want to build a multi million $$ business, who's going to help me..for free of course?"


    " Mcbloggers....i know more than that dr. with 20+ years experience. I shout the loudest, spend all my day posting blogs so listen to me"

    Complete B*S* all over. The lunatatics have taken over the asylum. The net is mostly trashed. Guard your contacts/relationships closely.
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  • Profile picture of the author stevenjacobs
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    something that was very hard was finding the right buisness model for me
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  • Profile picture of the author jeremy49
    It's known as the Dunning Kruger effect. I think this happens because... when you learn about something, you also realise how many more things there are you don't know or can't do.
    Thanks IrisMKH. I recognise the effect, but never knew its name. It is very similar to the curse of knowledge, where we know too much on a subject to explain very simply to other people who don't know so much.
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    • Profile picture of the author IrisMKH
      Originally Posted by jeremy49 View Post

      Thanks IrisMKH. I recognise the effect, but never knew its name. It is very similar to the curse of knowledge, where we know too much on a subject to explain very simply to other people who don't know so much.
      Video doesn't load ;_;

      But the comment brings memories back, haha! Been on both sides way too often - the side of the blank stare or the side of the wild hand gestures and foreign sounding vocabulary...
      Heck, it's mind-blowing how much terminology and references any field has. It's easy to forget what's common sense and what's specialised information. That's why you need some friends with different interests.
      How many people would know what a backlink is? I didn't before I came here...
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  • Profile picture of the author pnglifesolutions
    I can't emphasize how important it is to shift our mindset and treat this a real biz.

    The first step I could recommend to everyone is to start recording all your expenses & income from wsos, courses, half-hearted experiments, domain, hosting etc.

    When I started seeing expenses running into hundreds (even thousands) and a big ZERO on the income, I realized I was simply getting a kick feeding my brain with '$$$ making secrets' and it's costing me more than just the money, I've been wasting too much precious time I could have focused on one thing and make it profitable!

    That was all the motivation I needed to start making money within a month of implementing this simple trick.
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    That I had to actually work hard at it and do things properly instead of trying to exploit loopholes and take short cuts.

    Oh and that it took time for it all to come together.

    I thought it was all about fast and easy cash to begin with.
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    Originally Posted by The Niche Man View Post

    I'd be interested in hearing your story. No judgement from me. Promise.
    Probably the fact its all a numbers game - out of every 10 projects you launch, 9 will probably go down the toilet. However, the trick I found is that consistency is key - the more you try, and try, and try again ... the more you will succeed. But as always, the road to success is always littered with dead bodies

    Any questions just let me know
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    • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
      Originally Posted by badboy_Nick View Post

      Probably the fact its all a numbers game - out of every 10 projects you launch, 9 will probably go down the toilet. However, the trick I found is that consistency is key - the more you try, and try, and try again ... the more you will succeed. But as always, the road to success is always littered with dead bodies

      Any questions just let me know
      Nick
      Good point. But along with consistency and trying again and again ... make sure you're not repeating the same mistakes over and over. That's what I did for a time and thought it was persistence.
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  • Work, plan, organize, track, test etc... I mean it's a business not a push button but again don't listen to me, the 99% think i's get rich quick.
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    Wow this was a great read, a lot of info to soak up. Ive made tons of money over the years online but when it comes to IM and mainstream I just can't get it right as of yet. I WILL though. I Will get to at least pay bills lol
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    The expectations.
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  • Profile picture of the author ratracegrad
    My success is not related to how many WSOs I purchase. Instead my success is a direct relation to the amount of focused work I put into growing my online business.
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  • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
    Originally Posted by The Niche Man View Post

    Whether newbie or veteran.
    What is or was the hardest thing for you to accept about Internet marketing.
    Coming from the world of Remote Direct Marketing, it was and still IS shocking to see how low the wants are, and how little FOCUSED effort there is on them.

    It is hard to accept that so many people want to bargain with life for a penny and hope to hit a home run while they've been riding the bench or on the sidelines most of their lives.

    The home run hitter makes it look easy. But when an inexperienced guy comes to the plate and faces the fastballs of reality, the curves of Google, the fluttering knuckleballs of knuckleheads...the home run, that looked so easy to hit...suddenly becomes

    just hit me with the dang ball so I can get on base.

    IM exposes the lack of desire, discipline and dedication. It is hard to accept that so many people have not been taught HOW to set goals and HOW to achieve them.

    And we see from the B-ballers, Bird, Jordan and the best all around player ever...Oscar Robertson, after the average leave the courts, the stars are still at it...but with INTENT. And purpose.

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    • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
      Originally Posted by gjabiz View Post

      IM exposes the lack of desire, discipline and dedication. It is hard to accept that so many people have not been taught HOW to set goals and HOW to achieve them.

      And we see from the B-ballers, Bird, Jordan and the best all around player ever...Oscar Robertson, after the average leave the courts, the stars are still at it...but with INTENT. And purpose.
      gjabiz
      Excellent points to consider.

      Keep in mind most people who come into I.M first came from company and government employee jobs. You know where the boss, company regulations and policies fueled your dedication, discipline and desire for you.

      I personally discovered, it takes more internal fortitude, b*lls if you will - to do important things in IM (especially the non-sexy, routine things).

      Now you don't have a boss yelling, threatening or holding a stick over your head to perform. Now the dedication, discipline and desire must come from within. Not so easy if you're not used to exercising it.

      That's my theory anyway,
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