Would you visit a local Internet Marketing center and what would you want to find there?

by gjabiz
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I adjusted this subject headline to more closely fit with the thread.

The first few responses deal with our specific TEST of an IM center which include a Job/Career and Training Center.

I'll leave that up, because it has some good ideas. But, I really would like to know what you CURRENT Warriors would like to have in a local facility where you could go to learn IM. I'll make a new post below to continue this discussion.

Thanks, and here is the original post re: our test.

A few years ago we began to test the idea for a local IM Center. We used shared office space to start, one with a meeting room, Internet access and pay as you use services.

I'll keep this as brief as I can, but let me give you a few details, OK?

I was an instructor at a local computer training center and we taught basic computer skills as well as several software programs, such as MS Office and the Adobe Suite, etc.

The problem was we had a schedule to follow, so a person who wanted to learn, say MS Excel for a job, had to wait for it to come up on the schedule.

We (instructors) taught "on the side" too, but had to charge a lot for these private lessons. Anyhow, we figured out a way to provide ON DEMAND training done at the convenience of the consumer, ON Demand with a live person that is, because too many people can't or don't want to learn on their own.

So, we set up a place for them to learn. As well as offered in home services. Many of these students wanted to get into IM, which is a very broad field, but includes all of the things we Warriors discuss on a daily basis.

As a general definition we used IM to mean making money on-line with your Internet skills. And began teaching such things as WordPress Blogging, Affiliate marketing and so on.

The TEST was very successful. Now we want to expand. BUT are stuck at the crossroads of a decision as to HOW to set them up, maintain control and make sure these IM local sites are wanted and needed and we think they could be very profitable.

So, IF you had a place in your city where you could go, meet other people, take specific classes on IM, customized for your situation...a place with computers available as well as Internet access, and maybe a "Starbucks" like atmosphere, only smaller scale...

Would you be interested and do you think you'd go to such a place?

Thanks for any comments you have in advance.

gjabiz

PS. We would prefer not to go the franchise route and are considering a licensing program, if we don't get a Whale to buy it outright.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    Ten to fifteen years ago I was involved in helping local city and county governments in my area set up several small business incubators. I know that model is a little different, but the concept is fairly similar.

    We identified space in local business parks that could be turned into small offices for entrepreneurs. The idea was to incubate and nurture these folks and their businesses to become successful, graduate, and move out of the facility into the local community. Job creation and local economic development was the ultimate goal of the incubators.

    The experience of these incubators was mostly positive. The entrepreneurs often thrived in this shared setting and actually benefited from being close to each other and from the reduced costs of doing business in a group setting.

    The incubators were subsidized by the local governments so that the costs of doing business to the owners was substantially reduced. Professional business mentoring and the availability of SCORE and other groups for on-demand assistance was very important.

    I don't see why your business model couldn't be successful but I would think you would want a way to pre-qualify those in your program. As you know, many folks come to IM with very unrealistic expectations of what online business is all about. They have no background, inclination, skills, or mindset to create and run a small business. Unless you are able to sort out the folks "who haven't a clue" from those that are fully committed and willing to work, I think your "success rate" is going to be very low.

    To me, mentoring people in IM is not just about helping them with affiliate marketing, blogging, etc. That's part of it, certainly, but the way I would consider the teaching successful is if the student came away being profitable in IM with his/her own business, i.e. implementing everything together and executing a solo business. Otherwise, you're simply teaching classes like many adult education programs at the local college.

    Individual skills in technical areas are needed, but it's bringing all the little details together that keeps many from making a profit online.

    Just my thoughts . . . and the best to you in this venture.

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    • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
      Originally Posted by Steve B View Post


      I don't see why your business model couldn't be successful but I would think you would want a way to pre-qualify those in your program. As you know, many folks come to IM with very unrealistic expectations of what online business is all about. They have no background, inclination, skills, or mindset to create and run a small business. Unless you are able to sort out the folks "who haven't a clue" from those that are fully committed and willing to work, I think your "success rate" is going to be very low.

      To me, mentoring people in IM is not just about helping them with affiliate marketing, blogging, etc. That's part of it, certainly, but the way I would consider the teaching successful is if the student came away being profitable in IM with his/her own business, i.e. implementing everything together and executing a solo business. Otherwise, you're simply teaching classes like many adult education programs at the local college.

      Individual skills in technical areas are needed, but it's bringing all the little details together that keeps many from making a profit online.

      Just my thoughts . . . and the best to you in this venture.

      Steve
      Thanks Steve, as always, great ideas.

      We do have several successful incubators here in Northeast Ohio, and in Akron we have them set up in one of the old rubber company factories.

      You've given us some good food for thought. As we have it and tested it, we have several profit centers in the "Center".

      One is the ON DEMAND training for specific software. We can not only beat the prices of current providers, we can provide it when the customer wants it.

      We did do workshops for software, in small groups and also did analysis.

      We started our Newbies with an Interview, to find out what they want, and then offered some free aptitude testing and an Entrepreneur's "test".

      We found out that a large percentage of people don't really know what they want, just have a foggy idea.

      Now, some were there because their jobs demanded they learn a skill, and the local providers might be a month or more away...so we had a few corporate members.

      In addition, we offered a Resume/Job Finding Service and used this to sort out potential Entrepreneurs too, with a "track" for looking for a good match Biz-Op.

      I like the idea of having it a place for Concept Development and initial Funding also. This is a great idea. Sort of like a mini-incubator with a focus on IM (as Warriors know it) and possible funding for newbie IMer's.

      THE Incubator idea, is golden, and I appreciate your post, it has made my day.

      gjabiz

      PS. We used a shared office space that began in one of the local incubators and since our time there, they too, have moved into "real offices" and are thriving.

      Funding Warrior type IM projects and providing training might be a great idea. And our initial ads offered a FREE resume and skills analysis.
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  • Profile picture of the author internetmarketer1
    I have always wanted to do something like this in the past, but I just don't seem to have the time.

    Before I ever learned anything in IM, I would have gone to such a place like this to get some help.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve B
      gjabiz,

      Do you have a plan for funding the services that you'd like to offer? Part of the challenge I see in offering the kind of assistance that you're talking about if coming up with a way to pay the mentors, teachers, facility and overhead costs, marketing costs for the classes, etc.

      I'm not sure that a direct charge to the students in an effort to cover all these costs is going to be a profitable monetization strategy. You mentioned you have been thinking about turning this idea into a business so maybe you have a plan already.

      We had to use public subsidies and grant money (both state and fed) to fund our incubators fully. Back in the day, those sorts of funds were more available than they are today.

      I have to agree with the poster above, I wish I had something like what you're envisioning years ago when I started out online.

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      • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
        Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

        gjabiz,

        Do you have a plan for funding the services that you'd like to offer? Part of the challenge I see in offering the kind of assistance that you're talking about if coming up with a way to pay the mentors, teachers, facility and overhead costs, marketing costs for the classes, etc.

        I'm not sure that a direct charge to the students in an effort to cover all these costs is going to be a profitable monetization strategy. You mentioned you have been thinking about turning this idea into a business so maybe you have a plan already.

        We had to use public subsidies and grant money (both state and fed) to fund our incubators fully. Back in the day, those sorts of funds were more available than they are today.

        I have to agree with the poster above, I wish I had something like what you're envisioning years ago when I started out online.

        Steve
        Thanks Steve, good questions. During our test, we used private contractors to provide the education, although, each of us had been classroom instructors also.

        We could easily begin anywhere in country with Shared Office Space, the pay as you go model, and there are some nice places. The ones we used had computers and high speed Internet access. The projector room was used on a first sign up, first used basis, the one to one was done in one of the small meeting rooms.

        So, our overhead was covered by the facility, we bought units of time, and after a couple of months, were at the highest use level, which was about 650 per month. This was an out of pocket expense, but we didn't have rent, utilities or such, and no long term contract, although we did by the quarter for a discount and first use of some services.
        We tested our marketing with ads in the local newspapers, mostly Akron Beacon Journal, Cleveland Plain Dealer and Canton Repository.

        We ran mostly HELP WANTED classified and usually did 5 in a row. We also offered a free resume and job readiness evaluation.

        In our area, we have these Govt funded places, in Akron it is called the Job Center on Tallmadge Ave, and it is the place where the county sends people who are receiving welfare of any kind, plus the One Stop place to get the poor services. The problem is, they, like you did, depend on Gov't funding.

        We found a niche, people NOT on any sort of social services, just workers who had been laid off, wanted a career change, or displaced. These people felt very patronized and often humiliated by the funded places, who treat everyone with a certain disdain. May not be the same across the country, but when you ask for public assistance, you come hat in hand and take your music.

        We also worked directly with corporations, hiring some contractors who had worked for our company at the time, New Horizons Computer Training Center which had seen it's better days.

        These contractors were paid as they were for New Horizons, on a commission basis.

        We had a Job Training track, a computer training track, a skills assessment track, and job connection. We also learned that many companies don't like to use the gov't funded places because of the red tape and quality of worker which may come from such a place.

        Three of us had also worked at a County Funded Computer Training center located in public housing, and found much of our time doing documentation for grants and such. At least 33 to 40% of our work day was filling out paperwork, at Computer Horizons, it was all teaching.

        Our plan had a start-up figure of a "seed capital" or angel investor amount and each unit had to be self sustaining.

        The reason it tested so profitable, was exactly for what you say. One nearby competitor was the University of Akron, with all those classrooms to heat, light and cool plus all the computers...but they have big Gov't money. Still, if you want to have an employee take a class, you have to fit it in to their SCHEDULE.

        We found both corporations and individuals were willing to pay a competitive price to get what they wanted when they wanted it.

        We also did some paid seminars and workshops too.

        Very good questions.

        gjabiz

        PS. The reason we didn't pull the trigger can be summed up in two words...Heart Attack, which knocked me on my azz and even now, I'm still not up to speed, and probably never will be again.

        With the interest in IM, probably most first year Warriors, who have any success, could teach a class, like my friend the second grade teacher told me, how hard do you think it is for a College Grad to stay ahead of 2nd graders. Here, a lot of Kindergartners...so, the IM today sector could be a gold mine.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steve B
          Originally Posted by gjabiz View Post

          The reason we didn't pull the trigger can be summed up in two words...Heart Attack, which knocked me on my azz and even now, I'm still not up to speed, and probably never will be again.

          gjabiz,

          Maybe it's time to slow down a little bit. If you're like me, you see a lot more miles out the rear view mirror than you do through the windshield!

          Still, I think your idea has potential, especially given the fact you've already tested the model to some extent and found it successful.

          I wonder if there is a way to change the focus just a little which might up your ability to make greater income.

          I've always liked the model of selling to businesses rather than to individual consumers.

          Might you focus your marketing on local companies (wouldn't have to be in-town, maybe just within a 200-mile radius) that were looking to either train their employees in IM or hire new employees with a skill set in place to help the business with IM?

          Typically businesses can afford higher training expenses than individuals and if a business liked the result, they might come back again and again without you having to continually market to them. In fact, maybe they would sign a years contract to run X number of people through the training.

          You wouldn't have to do all the heavy lifting given your condition. You could become the orchestra conductor that kept all the musicians in line and on key.

          Just a thought . . .

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          • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
            Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

            gjabiz,

            Maybe it's time to slow down a little bit. If you're like me, you see a lot more miles out the rear view mirror than you do through the windshield!

            Still, I think your idea has potential, especially given the fact you've already tested the model to some extent and found it successful.

            I wonder if there is a way to change the focus just a little which might up your ability to make greater income.

            I've always liked the model of selling to businesses rather than to individual consumers.

            Might you focus your marketing on local companies (wouldn't have to be in-town, maybe just within a 200-mile radius) that were looking to either train their employees in IM or hire new employees with a skill set in place to help the business with IM?

            Typically businesses can afford higher training expenses than individuals and if a business liked the result, they might come back again and again without you having to continually market to them. In fact, maybe they would sign a years contract to run X number of people through the training.

            You wouldn't have to do all the heavy lifting given your condition. You could become the orchestra conductor that kept all the musicians in line and on key.

            Just a thought . . .

            Steve
            Thanks Steve, I've slowed down, and I'm retired. I only dabble.

            The original biz plan was for our facility to be the PROTOTYPE, and once we went through a year cycle, and it was profitable, we would then license out the materials, both the Course Ware and the Marketing Materials to other Entrepreneurs. We originally planned on both direction TOLLS, consumer and Business.

            We worked for new Horizons Computer Training Center, at their peak, and we took a lot of looks at how they did business and how it could be shrunk down and then scaled out. New Horizons was selling millions of dollars of training to corporations, which were our targets also.

            The thing we had to offer was ON DEMAND personal training, which is still very hard to come by.

            Our original goal was 12 regional centers, each with 12 satellite locations and that would cover 80% of USA. Believe me, we had some successful business people involved and although I was the engine, I wasn't the only brain behind the project.

            I, at this point, couldn't do it if I wanted, but...I am curious if other's, especially newbs, would like face to face, one to one training in IM (and corporations, although most colleges offer more specific IM training).

            The reason I posted is to show the interest in the idea, and offer an adaptation of the original plan to someone asking me questions about it today.

            At first, we thought franchise, but a license would be better.

            gjabiz

            PS. It also had a Square One Workshop component to it, but I won't discuss that...even though, it would be the most profitable part of the thing. Again, Steve, thanks for all your input and great questions. Very very helpful.
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            • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
              As we rethink and retool the concept for a local training center, we are placing more emphasis on IM training.

              So, what would motivate you to go to a local place to learn IM? What would you want and how would you best want to learn?

              We THINK a one to one or small group led by a person successful in IM for whatever the area might be, example; SEO, a person who is doing it successfully, but...

              Do you prefer a person, or would you like just the videos, software, etc. to have to use to learn on your own?

              The original model had instructors, and we had very positive feedback, especially with the ON DEMAND training.

              What would you want to find at a local IM training center?

              Thanks,

              gjabiz
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    • Profile picture of the author Ian Jackson
      I really like this idea, and am wondering about its viability in my locality. I have been pondering something along the model of a visiting type of service, which would keep overheads down, but centre would perhaps be more prominent and focused.

      Food for thought. Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author SteveFinch
    That sounds like a really cool idea to me, and I bet it would work. If something like this had been around when I first started out, I'd have definately taken part.
    I could see this being good for people who just want to chew the fat and discuss potential ideas with each other, let alone learning new skills. Bouncing ideas around is so much easier face to face rather than through a computer monitor.
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  • Profile picture of the author TomVa
    That would be awesome, but make sure you do it for smokers and non smokers lol can you tell which I am? *cough cough*
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  • Profile picture of the author stevenjacobs
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    Meetup groups are a good way, to do this and theres some big ones out there
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