Rent-a-List

15 years ago

I have not used Rent-a-list but if you search reviews of it on the web there is both good and bad so which way do you go? It's one of those things that you don't know who to believe. As with a lot of things there are happy and unhappy customers. I know this didn't help one bit but at least you can read some of the reviews.

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sofia12

15 years ago

It's a service that has targeted mailing lists that will send out offers on your behalf. So, should be a good solution for those of us that have a list yet.

http://www.rent-a-list.com

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MaskedMarketer 15 years ago

Originally Posted by lakshaybehl

That they guarantee visitors is a big plus.

Because they pay people to visit your site, its incentivized.

Not all there traffic is, but the guaranteed traffic is.

Originally Posted by lakshaybehl

Recommended... but handle with care.

Handle with care is right.

I didn't do well with them.

I think i got 0 opt-ins with them (this was over 2 years ago). I did there guaranteed traffic, I think solo mailing. I also did another solo mailing to a list and got 25% opt-in rate for visitors that went to my page.

Haven't used again, but if i did i would test there smallest packages and niches to see what works best.
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Adrian Jock

15 years ago

Originally Posted by sofia12

It's a service that has targeted mailing lists

=Rant=

I always wondered what some advertisers understand by "targeted mailing lists". A sort of wonder mailing list where irrespective of what you try to sell the subscribers jump on it because they are interested? :rolleyes:

From time to time you can also see someone asking, "Hey, I'm looking for some targeted traffic. Does anyone know where I can find?" and then comes the answer, "Targeted TO WHAT?". The discussion continues, "What do you mean? It's not clear? I'm looking for targeted traffic. I read about it in every guru's ebooks" and then, "I see ... See ya later & good luck :rolleyes:"

Or ... "hey, I'm looking for a responsive list to buy some ad space in it". "Suuure! :rolleyes:"

If you wonder what is this ... here's what it is ... It doesn't exist targeted mailing lists. There are newsletters that have mainly a certain topic, other newsletters that have another topic, etc., and if you're a smart advertiser you choose a newsletter that has a topic related to what you plan to promote and advertise in it. That's it! The publisher of that newsletter doesn't have any targeted mailing list. If YOU choose correctly the newsletter to advertise in, then it can be said that YOU make that mailing list TARGETED TO YOUR PRODUCT/SERVICE (not very correct expression even in this form).

Don't worry, this is just a rant. Just skip it and read the next post!

=End of Rant=

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jakesellers

15 years ago

Originally Posted by ezine ads

=Rant=

If you wonder what is this ... here's what it is ... It doesn't exist targeted mailing lists.

=End of Rant=

It's easy to get the terminology and definitions wrong but to say targeted mailing lists don't exist is a bit of a stretch. Nextmark has a million examples of precompiled targeted lists and list brokers can put together pretty much any combination of predicates you can imagine.

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Adrian Jock

15 years ago

Originally Posted by jakesellers

Nextmark has a million examples of precompiled targeted lists and list brokers can put together pretty much any combination of predicates you can imagine.

Really? Well, if you visit their website, then you see that "your million" of precompiled targeted lists is actually ... 8K email mailing lists :rolleyes: You were pretty close :rolleyes:

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jakesellers

15 years ago

Originally Posted by ezine ads

Really? Well, if you visit their website, then you see that "your million" of precompiled targeted lists is actually ... 8K email mailing lists :rolleyes: You were pretty close :rolleyes:

I don't know what you're looking at but nextmark's database has over 30k email data cards most of which have at least 5 segments many of which have over 10 selects so even being very conservative with the math that's more than a million targeted email lists. Their glossary and intro are useful resources to get up to speed on direct marketing.

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Adrian Jock

15 years ago

Originally Posted by jakesellers

I don't know what you're looking at but nextmark's database has over 30k email data cards most of which have at least 5 segments many of which have over 10 selects so even being very conservative with the math that's more than a million targeted email lists. Their glossary and intro are useful resources to get up to speed on direct marketing.

Guess what I'm looking at ...

...
44,856 Postal Mailing Lists
8,870 E-mail Lists
12,232 Telephone Lists
...

These figures are taken from their website. I guess they don't know what they are selling and you know better, right? :rolleyes:

Adrian

P.S. I visited the website from your sig and I noticed that you're an expert in email marketing

I hope you don't confuse "postal mailing lists" with "email mailing lists", right?

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jakesellers 15 years ago

Originally Posted by ezine ads

These figures are taken from their website. I guess they don't know what they are selling and you know better, right? :rolleyes:

I understand your confusion, there's about 8,770 email-only datacards, the entire body of dc's that include email is about 20k. The glossary and intro articles explain the terminology. If you search for '*' on nextmark, all markets, email list you'll find there's 17,575 as of my last search, if you insist on more than 20k there are thousands of postal lists with an email include that aren't activated for email search as they don't include email for over 50% of the dc population.
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Adrian Jock

15 years ago

Now everything is crystal clear.

So ... when you read what's loading when you visit the subdomain "lists" ...

1) you read that... there are "8,870 E-mail Lists" but actually, no, e-mail lists don't mean e-mail lists but data cards. And then, as you say, you visit the Glossary of Terms and you see that by "e-mail list" they understand an e-mail list ("a compilation of e-mail addresses used for the distribution of information to multiple Internet users."), not a data card. Clear, they're wrong, you're right

2) you read that ... you can "Search 60,000 mailing lists" but actually, no, the truth is that ...

Originally Posted by jakesellers

so even being very conservative with the math that's more than a million targeted email lists. Their glossary and intro are useful resources to get up to speed on direct marketing.

Very clear again, no need for more explanation, again they're wrong, you're right

BTW, why don't you ask them not to hide anymore the fact that they have so many lists

so that to tell us the truth you know. Maybe they didn't notice that their site is soooo outdated

Anyway, let's forget about these "minor" discrepancies. After all ... is not your fault that they don't know what they sell

:rolleyes:

* * *

What is still not clear, let's not forget the starting point of this discussion (see below), is how comes that these "targeted" email lists are targeted to anything I want to promote. For example, right now I would like to sell some "go equipment" (you know what "GO" is, don't you? - is not that verb

). Are these lists still targeted or suddenly something wrong happened?

Originally Posted by ezine ads

If you wonder what is this ... here's what it is ... It doesn't exist targeted mailing lists. There are newsletters that have mainly a certain topic, other newsletters that have another topic, etc., and if you're a smart advertiser you choose a newsletter that has a topic related to what you plan to promote and advertise in it. That's it! The publisher of that newsletter doesn't have any targeted mailing list. If YOU choose correctly the newsletter to advertise in, then it can be said that YOU make that mailing list TARGETED TO YOUR PRODUCT/SERVICE (not very correct expression even in this form).

Originally Posted by jakesellers

list brokers can put together pretty much any combination of predicates you can imagine.

Interesting discussion

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lakshaybehl

15 years ago

I used them in the past...

Started with a Solo email package- And blatantly advertised... Almost spammed. Still followed their guidelines and got 25% opt-in rates.

That they guarantee visitors is a big plus.

They regularly have discount sales esp. on mondays, so I usually wait for that.

Recommended... but handle with care.

-Lakshay

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sofia12

15 years ago

I wouldn't be doing it for optins, -- the reason I'm interested in them is because they're able to target offline business owners. I'm trying to sell seminar seats so looking for ways to target this crowd.

Any other ideas for selling seminar seats would be greatly appreciated. I've been trying to find a sales person but that's proved to be much more difficult than I expected.

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MaskedMarketer

15 years ago

Originally Posted by sofia12

I wouldn't be doing it for optins, -- the reason I'm interested in them is because they're able to target offline business owners. I'm trying to sell seminar seats so looking for ways to target this crowd.

Any other ideas for selling seminar seats would be greatly appreciated. I've been trying to find a sales person but that's proved to be much more difficult than I expected.

Getting an opt-in is (sometimes) the first step to getting a sale.

Are you looking to email these offline business owners or mail them?

You could try using the SRDS and direct mail to attract business owners.

Either using a 1 step or 2 step process. Offer them a free seminar.

This is what a lot of successful companies do. They offer free seminars, and some free food, free ipods, free gifts, etc.

If you want to do 2 step process you can send direct mail, offer free report, send them free report selling your seminar seats.

What type of backend/upsells are you selling at the seminar event?

I used to do phone sales for seminar company and I agree it could be difficult to find someone if your paying commissions only like most do.

Have you tried CL yet?

Usually that works, depending on how you word your ad.

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sofia12

15 years ago

Originally Posted by MaskedMarketer

Getting an opt-in is (sometimes) the first step to getting a sale.

Are you looking to email these offline business owners or mail them?

You could try using the SRDS and direct mail to attract business owners.

Either using a 1 step or 2 step process. Offer them a free seminar.

This is what a lot of successful companies do. They offer free seminars, and some free food, free ipods, free gifts, etc.

If you want to do 2 step process you can send direct mail, offer free report, send them free report selling your seminar seats.

What type of backend/upsells are you selling at the seminar event?

I used to do phone sales for seminar company and I agree it could be difficult to find someone if your paying commissions only like most do.

Have you tried CL yet?

Usually that works, depending on how you word your ad.

I've had an ad on Craigslist for over a week now and only got 2 responses and neither is great.

Right now I'm thinking of an email campaign but now that you mention it, I'm thinking that postcards might be better.

I'm not big enough (yet) to offer a free seminar especially with food and stuff and really believe the value of what I'll be sharing with this group will blow them away and is worth the money.

Backend will be services to implement everything they learned that day as well as hosting, domain names, and autoresponders. If I can find someone to cohost with me then, then their product will also be offered on the backend.

What I really need to do is get to a Chamber of Commerce and start mingling but to be brutally honest, I can't afford the membership fee right now. In my area, they range from $375-$500 for the basic level.

I'm getting ready to send a press release (both online and offline) and I'll definitely look into SRDS lists for postcards.

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MaskedMarketer 15 years ago

Originally Posted by sofia12

I'm getting ready to send a press release (both online and offline) and I'll definitely look into SRDS lists for postcards.

SRDS is goning to run you around 800$ i think. itll be cheaper for chamber of commerce, which is also a good idea as well.

good luck
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mkuba

15 years ago

Never heard of them, but now I'm curious to check them out. Thanks for the link!

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Mr McDonald

15 years ago

Never had any luck with them, not saying it doesn't work but personally i wont use again.

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appr

15 years ago

I used rent-a-list for several affiliate products and received no opt-ins.

Their targeted lists consist of people who get paid $1.20 an hour to look at rent-a-list ads.

I will never use them again.

Joan

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ideasuniversity

15 years ago

Originally Posted by appr

I used rent-a-list for several affiliate products and received no opt-ins.

Their targeted lists consist of people who get paid $1.20 an hour to look at rent-a-list ads.

I will never use them again.

Joan

This is an eye opener

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Project-Octagon

15 years ago

What's the best way to prevent your link from being banned with companies like these? I just don't want to have lets say "Clickbank" upset with me. Any solid ideas here on just how to walk VERY carefully when testing?

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BrianE

15 years ago

I hear a good way to get opt-ins is to join the war room and give away something of value (for free) in exchange for the opt-in.

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DoctorQuest

15 years ago

I purchased their higher priced deal.
Dismal results (almost zilch).
My friendly inquiry met with a curt defensive comment...
something like "we don't have any control over your offer...)
They may be right, but their tone turned me off.

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Adrian Jock

15 years ago

Originally Posted by DoctorQuest

"we don't have any control over your offer...) They may be right

Sorry to disappoint you but they are quite right.

As someone (I think it was Alexa) said it in another thread,

the advertising resources themselves don't have a "return on investment": the people using them do. [...] Some people make a fortune using certain specific advertising resources while others using the same ones have complete failure. A big proportion of the outcome-determining factors involved don't relate to the resources themselves.

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Adrian Jock

15 years ago

Originally Posted by DoctorQuest

I purchased their higher priced deal.
Dismal results (almost zilch).
My friendly inquiry met with a curt defensive comment...
something like "we don't have any control over your offer...)
They may be right, but their tone turned me off.

I came back to your post because I noticed a very interesting issue from a customers support view (I'm not joking

) ... What kind of answer did you expect?

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DoctorQuest 15 years ago

Originally Posted by ezine ads

I came back to your post because I noticed a very interesting issue from a customers support view (I'm not joking ) ... What kind of answer did you expect?

It's been awhile, but I think my inquiry was something like...
"has my ad been published, yet? If so, what could be the reason for such a poor response? Could you take a look at my ad?"

It wasn't that I did not like the answer...it was the nasty tone I didn't appreciate.
"Constructive" critism is fine. But, if someone wants my business, you had better be (at a minimum) courteous and respectful. I hope this helps you from a customer support view.
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- appr 15 years ago
  
  Sophia,
  
  You could search the internet or the yellow pages for an association in your area that might have members that would be interested in your seminar.
  
  Call the president of the association and set up a meeting to explain what you are offering in the seminar. Offer him/her or the association a portion of the proceeds from your seminar if they allow you to send a message to their email list. Base the commission on the number of members from their email list that attended the seminar.
  
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  appr 15 years ago
  
  Hi, Sophia,
  
  I just had another idea.
  
  Use google to find your local chamber of commerce website if you don't already know it.
  
  Look through the members and find ones that might be interested in your seminar.
  
  Ask them if they belong to an association that might have members who would be interested in your seminar.
  
  See my message above on what to do from here.
  
  Good luck!
  
  Joan
  
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  sofia12 15 years ago
  
  Thanks Joan -- that is my #1 thing to do today. I'm going to call the groups listed under Associations in the Yellow Pages and start talking.
  
  Plan is to introduce my business and ask if they think it would be useful to their members. Offer to partner and give them a commission for any attendees. Hoping they'll email their list, distribute a flyer, and also let me come speak for an hour and close with a message about a seminar they can attend for more information.
  
  After the feedback here about Rent-a-List I'm staying away..
  
  Thanks!
  
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