A common WSO scam?

Steven Wagenheim

16 years ago

John, I don't know how common it is but it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

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Ryan Gabriel 16 years ago

To be honest, unless the Warrior has a significant amount of credibility behind his/her name, like Steven for example, I'd ask that the full price be payed to review it.

Explain why. I don't think anyone would take it personally. If I had a responsive list in the four figure range, I sure as hell would be very selective about what I pitch to them. Consequently, I wouldn't mind shelling out $7, $27, or even $97 to be certain that I'm pitching a quality product.
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- Steven Wagenheim 16 years ago
  
  You know it's funny, I have the opposite problem. I get tons of PMs from
  people asking me to review their WSO.
  
  I'd love to be able to review them all but then I'd never get any work done.
  So unfortunately, I have to turn a lot of people down. I don't like to, but
  there are only so many hours in my day.
  
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- Kerry Finch 16 years ago
  
  Thanks for the heads up.
  
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  Daniel Molano 16 years ago
  
  Everytime I bump my WSO I do get like 5-10 "offers" like that, the only problem is some of them are actually legit, so it's hard to turn one down.
  
  On the other hand, I also get a lot of "review my product please" requests and I am always happy to do so, maybe I'm not as busy as Steven is.
  
  It's hard to know, as for the respected members and high post count to verify if it's legit, I actually got one PM from a guy with 3 posts with a request like that, turned out to be one of the most profitable JVs of all, so yeah, it's very hard to know for sure.
  
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  Chris Monty 16 years ago
  
  I hate to say it, but if you can't afford a WSO at $7, $17, or $27, maybe IM is not for you.
  
  I agree, it's a sleazy game.
  
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Scott Ames

16 years ago

I don't know. Send me your product for free and I'll see what you are talking about.

{kidding!}

Yeah, that's a scummy scam I'll bet. You'll just have to make a policy to screen these people somehow.

Originally Posted by XFactor

5 times now I've received the same type of PM from 5 different warriors all
who asked for a WSO for free. Their reason?

"I'd like to send your product to my list of X,XXX marketers who are all in
the same market as you. Send me the download link so that I can review
it and be your affiliate"

I fell for it 3 times and when I never heard back it dawned on me that this
may be a way for some people to get free stuff from the WSO section.

Is this a common tactic?

If not then how do I politely say "no" when of course it could be that slim
chance that the person is actually telling the truth?

- John

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Noah Fleming

16 years ago

LOL.
Nice.
Are the offenders newbies or the same people every time?
Check the profile, see when they joined, how often the post etc, what they have to say...

I wouldn't just be sending WSO's away for free based on a pm like that regardless of who it was without doing some background checks.

Are they all using that exact same quote? That might the another signal :-)

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XFactor

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Noah Fleming

LOL.
Nice.
Are the offenders newbies or the same people every time?
Check the profile, see when they joined, how often the post etc, what they have to say...

Yeah checking profiles was something I did after-the-fact, and it was pretty
obvious that they were not up to par on their claims of being in business.

I wouldn't just be sending WSO's away for free based on a pm like that regardless of who it was without doing some background checks.

Your right, but for such a small amount and the fact that I am not really
a marketer (a little niave a guess) it never crossed my mind.

Are they all using that exact same quote? That might the another signal :-)

No, not at all. I would have to be shot if I was too stupid to see that

But the message was all the same - send me your WSO for free and I'll send it to
my list of thousands.

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Jeremy Kelsall

16 years ago

Originally Posted by XFactor

5 times now I've received the same type of PM from 5 different warriors all
who asked for a WSO for free. Their reason?

"I'd like to send your product to my list of X,XXX marketers who are all in
the same market as you. Send me the download link so that I can review
it and be your affiliate"

I fell for it 3 times and when I never heard back it dawned on me that this
may be a way for some people to get free stuff from the WSO section.

Is this a common tactic?

If not then how do I politely say "no" when of course it could be that slim
chance that the person is actually telling the truth?

- John

From what I've seen it is common. I get at least one email like that a week.

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Midas3 Consulting

16 years ago

Originally Posted by XFactor

5 times now I've received the same type of PM from 5 different warriors all
who asked for a WSO for free. Their reason?

"I'd like to send your product to my list of X,XXX marketers who are all in
the same market as you. Send me the download link so that I can review
it and be your affiliate"

- John

So they apparently have a big list of JV partners, are a credible affiliate but they don't want to spend $20 or so.

Personally, If I was going to JV with somebody on a WSO, I would want to purchase it myself and ensure the entire payment and download process was smooth as silk.

I do this in my niche, I have around 130,000 people on my lists and I would never do an affiliate JV unless I purchased the persons product myself and saw that everything was hassle free and that the backend was legit.

No way I'm going to risk pissing of my opt ins thanks.

Who can truly be that serious if they won't stump up $30 or so.

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sylviad 16 years ago

Clearly it's a risk either way you respond. An option might be to let them buy the product at 50% value if they only want to review it. Or do as Jeff suggested and create a limited version of the product so they get an idea of its value but they don't get the entire thing.

It would be interesting to see how many of those people would refuse if you ask them to pay for it. That would be a good indication of their sincerity, unless they truly can't afford to buy it. In that case, you could take the chance and hope they're telling the truth that they do have a responsive list.

Or another option would be to sell it to them, but with a refund after they sell a certain number of copies as an affiliate.

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- Eric Lorence 16 years ago
  
  Yet another strategy "Du Jour" probably being hyped on competing forum as many of them do, send hoards of hapless newbies here to yet again exploit the WF.
  
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JasonKing 16 years ago

Originally Posted by SimonHarrison

So they apparently have a big list of JV partners, are a credible affiliate but they don't want to spend $20 or so.

Spot on Simon.

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Bishop81

16 years ago

I don't think it should be tough to say no to these people. Do you have an affiliate program setup? Let them buy it at a discount, if they insist that they must review it before sending it out. You could also make a mini-report that doesn't include the real meat of it and use that for reviews.

If I did have a list of X,XXX, then I would have enough money to give you the proper respect to purchase it at full price anyway.

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daddyoh 16 years ago

It's a tough call to decide whether or not to hand out freebies to people saying they're potential JV partners. I suspect most of them are scammers.

I've had people post in my WSO threads that they paid and didn't get their download. And, I've had folks PM me and say they didn't get their download. It happened just yesterday.

So, I send them a PM and tell them I need their real name and their PayPal address so I can look up the transaction.

Well guess what? 9 times out of 10 they don't write back to me.

Be very careful when running a WSO. At the beginning when the action is hot and heavy you may get people acting desperate about not getting their download after they paid. This could be a scam.

I had one guy PM me 3 or 4 times demanding the WSO he "paid" for. He was really getting nasty about it. I kept telling him to send me a receipt, a name or a PayPal email address. Never got anything with proof from him.

Watch your backs, do your due diligence, do a background check, trust nobody you don't know. It's getting worse all the time.
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- Mike Hill 16 years ago
  
  If people are eager enough to promote your WSO (or any product for that matter) buy the dam thing and see if it's something you want to promote.
  
  Don't be a cheese ball and write the creator "Hey Mr. WSO man, like can I have your product I am thinking of promoting it to like my mom and cousin Ricky in the trailer park"...
  
  Common you guys... if you're interested in seeing something before promoting it then just buy a copy... If YOU don't want to buy a copy then how do you think you could promote it to make others want to buy it?
  
  Mike Hill
  
  PS. Affiliate Secret #1: Buy the product you are promoting and then make reference to specific things on specific pages like
  
  "OMG I can't believe Steve revealed how he made $1,000,000 from a single article. It's right here, all layed out for you in step-by-step detail on page 22..."
  
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  JUST SAY NO TO FREEBIES...!
  
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