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Organic vs Paid traffic?

by plicpl1
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What does make more sense for Clickbank Affiliate products? Organic SEO traffic or scalable paid traffic?

I get around $40 for each product I sell, therefore if my advertising costs are <$40 I have made profit.

Is it really that hard to make one sale with $40 advertising costs?


Thanks
#organic #paid #traffic
  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by plicpl1 View Post

    What does make more sense for Clickbank Affiliate products? Organic SEO traffic or scalable paid traffic?
    "SEO traffic" and "paid traffic" are not the only alternatives. There are many other forms of traffic (including some of the best ones, for ClickBank-type sales) which are neither "paid" nor have anything to do with SEO at all: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ffic-tips.html

    (Having said that, SEO traffic and ClickBank products are generally a particularly poor mixture: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post8659398 ).

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    • Profile picture of the author plicpl1
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      "SEO traffic" and "paid traffic" are not the only alternatives. There are many other forms of traffic which are neither "paid" nor have anything to do with SEO at all: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ffic-tips.html

      (Having said that, SEO traffic and ClickBank products are generally a particularly poor mixture: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post8659398 ).

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      Well yes, but if you just look on performance and possibility on return I think paid traffic is best. Look, if the product is sold for $40 and I would pay only $30 for traffic I would have an ultra scalable profitmachine.

      I just wanted to know what I normally would need to pay to sell a $40 product.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by plicpl1 View Post

        Well yes, but if you just look on performance and possibility on return I think paid traffic is best.
        Not my experience at all.

        Arguably, all traffic is "paid" in the sense that if you're not paying with money, you're paying with energy/effort/time. People do often say this, and I see what they mean, really.

        Originally Posted by plicpl1 View Post

        Look, if the product is sold for $40 and I would pay only $30 for traffic I would have an ultra scalable profitmachine.
        Sorry, but this is very simplistic, and not how it works, really. First, you have to compare the acquisition-cost of the subscriber with their long-term value to you, not just their initial-sale value to you (being aware that most of the money, in affiliate marketing, comes from repeated sales, hopefully at increasing prices, to the same audience); secondly, in reality it's unlikely to work out quite as "infinitely scalable" as your idealized model suggests. (If it did, why would the vendor need to pay you a 75% commission for providing the traffic - why wouldn't he just do that himself or employ someone to do it, rather than giving up three-quarters of the money??).

        Originally Posted by plicpl1 View Post

        I just wanted to know what I normally would need to pay to sell a $40 product.
        With apologies, it's not really a question I can help you with - it's too far outside my frame of reference. Even with PPC traffic I don't look at it that way. Other responses may help you more than I managed.

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      • Profile picture of the author Jonny2spoons
        Originally Posted by plicpl1 View Post


        I just wanted to know what I normally would need to pay to sell a $40 product.
        This is impossible to answer because there are so many variables. The only way to know is to test the offer with various forms of traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author Italspliff
    Why is everybody using clickbank? I have found that JVzoo.com has a lot more deals and i think the commisions there are often better..
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    • Profile picture of the author kris01
      Originally Posted by Italspliff View Post

      Why is everybody using clickbank? I have found that JVzoo.com has a lot more deals and i think the commisions there are often better..

      Thats what I was going to say...as for the traffic, why dont you try both?
      Free traffic is not going to cost you apart you time, and the paid one....well,
      its a matter of where you get it from, I mean, specific niche
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  • Profile picture of the author vishwa
    The organic traffic is best way to drive traffic. It is highly reliable and recommended.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Italspliff View Post

      Why is everybody using clickbank?
      They're not.

      Originally Posted by Italspliff View Post

      I have found that JVzoo.com has a lot more deals
      You're mistaken: ClickBank has over 15,000 "deals" available. (It's absolutely huge, compared with JVZoo. It's also been established for longer than Google and its turnover has been in the $Billions. Only in a language where "more" actually means "far fewer" does JVZoo have "more" deals.)

      Originally Posted by vishwa View Post

      The organic traffic is best way to drive traffic. It is highly reliable and recommended.
      In all my experience, it's the very worst way to drive traffic, for this purpose. It's basically "unresponsive traffic", overall. It's as bad as you can get. It's because so many people do that, that so few people make a living from it and the success rate's so low. It's the least converting, worst opting-in, lowest value traffic I've ever had, in any of my 9 different niches. (I do get floods of it, I admit, but its value to me is tiny and mostly it's just worthless - I'd hate to have to make a living from "organic" traffic.) http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post8659398

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  • Profile picture of the author JensSteyaert
    I would say if you have the time to create a great site, and the budget to use paid traffic then use both.

    It's true if you earn $40 per sale then you have some margin for error when it comes to paid traffic. Just make sure you build an email list first and don't direct link. Pre selling an offer will increase your chances of making more sales by pre-qualifying buyers, plus it gives you the opportunity to continue to market to your list and make even more sales.

    Even if you're paying $40 and you earn $40, you're still buildng your list for free which can't be underestimated in the long run.
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  • Profile picture of the author gthapalia
    its simple:
    Free traffic: time consuming, slow process.
    Paid traffic: Fast results, quick commissions.
    I would always go with the paid traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matthew Trujillo
    Paid traffic will get you results faster.

    HOWEVER paid comes with a cost, plus if you don't know if it converts you're at a lost.

    Free traffic is good if you are looking for long term results.

    The decision is yours if you know your paid traffic converts, free traffic will convert over time.

    Good luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author celente
      Originally Posted by Matthew J Trujillo View Post

      Paid traffic will get you results faster.

      HOWEVER paid comes with a cost, plus if you don't know if it converts you're at a lost.

      Free traffic is good if you are looking for long term results.

      The decision is yours if you know your paid traffic converts, free traffic will convert over time.

      Good luck.
      If you do not have the money, but have the TIME go with FREE traffic.

      But remember, FREE Traffic comes with TIME, and you can never get back time.

      If you have the MONEY, go with paid, however you are gunna have to have about $200 to test, and tweak. Not all campaigs are good from the start. most of our campaigs are slow and lose money from the get go, and you have tweak and test to get them to a good ROI!

      So as you can see, both come with a cost, but both are good for short term and longer term.

      Still while many warriors hussle, and say FREE traffic best, NO it is not. You do not see multimillionare marketers like willie crawford and frank kern use free traffic. They always go the paid route, as they know how powerful it is.

      Every time we go with PAID TRAFFIC we do well.!
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  • Profile picture of the author seobro
    I prefer organic. Basically, it is less expensive. However, paid is great for doing a promo. For example:
    THIS WEEK ONLY 50% OFF!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author nicholasb
    I LOVE paid traffic, you can target in on the perfect audience and lace the perfect offers n front of them right away..

    It's the fastest way to know if your offer is going to convert or not... You don't want to waste your most precious asset (Your Time) Plucking away with free traffic that takes forever...

    You are missing out on one of the most important aspects of being successful in any business though...

    You MUST have a backend...

    All of your profits come from the backend..

    You gotta have repeat customers, people who buy your $40 offer are the people who will buy another offer from you...

    Build up your backend...

    Most of my offer only break even on the front end, sometimes I even lose a little money on the front end and thats ok with me..


    I have one offer that I promote where I'll spend $200-$300 to acquire a $25 customer because the backend sales make up for it... It cost $200-$300 to acquire a new customer but the back end sales raise the Life time Customer Value to around $700-$800

    So if you don't have a solid backend

    1. your business wont be very profitable
    2. You can only ever break even with paid traffic

    Any marketer who doesn't love upsells shouldn't be a marketer or in business at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author sr.20
    The only way to go is "paid traffic" unless you already have an established authority site or network in place.

    Paid traffic with retargeting is a killer combination if used correctly.

    Always start small, test, tweek, check your numbers and if profitable then scale up

    Organic is slow and not predictable
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Clarke Hanna View Post

      The only way to go is "paid traffic" unless you already have an established authority site or network in place.
      Sorry, but this simply isn't so. It isn't the "only" way, at all.

      Why do people keep making these sweeping and totally inaccurate generalizations?!

      Large numbers of people without "authority sites" at all (and some of them even without any site at all, other than a squeeze page) or "network in place" achieve great success by following simple, proven, reliable systems (such as email marketing, for example).

      Originally Posted by Clarke Hanna View Post

      Organic is slow and not predictable
      I agree with you there (and it also tends to be very poor quality and often temporary, too), but what about all the other traffic sources which are neither paid nor organic? The ones out of which so many Warriors are so successfully earning our livings and building our businesses? You surely don't imagine that "organic" and "paid" are the only two types of traffic available?

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  • Profile picture of the author Assignmentwriter
    Both are best way to get traffic point is that you should know both sources very well
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  • Profile picture of the author craighakwins
    Everything is pretty much paid traffic..unless you're a very old popular authority site. Honestly, for me selling ebooks are just the darnest thing I can do. But as you said, if you can sell it for 40 bucks while only spending 30, that's good price to pay.
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