Getting more discouraged by the hour

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I've been trying for a few weeks now and still haven't seen any results for all of my hard work.

I've tried paying for a host and making a wordpress blog, didn't make a dime in adsense or clickbank.

I've tried writing a series of articles (and buying a .info domain for my affiliate link) and trying to raise them to the top of the google keyword searches using backlinks -- only 1 has made it to the front page (not that it's getting any views), the others either don't appear at all or are in places where they wouldn't get any views anyway.

I've researched all day and all night, buying different WSO's, thinking they would help, but I'm still in the same position.

I have very very few hops on clickbank.

In the last 30 days, I've had about 30 clickbank hops.

I'm losing money here.

What could be the problem? Is it my niche?

It's computer repair, specifically registry problems on the computer.
#discouraged #hour
  • Profile picture of the author raylm123
    Honestly, 30 days isn't that long. I worked for six months before I made any money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    30 days is nothing. give it more time.
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  • Profile picture of the author runfast
    Are you using a coach or learning on your own?

    If you are learning on your own than 30 days is not very long for IM.

    If you are using an expensive coach then thirty days is way too long.

    PM me if you want me to coach you.
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    • Profile picture of the author morethannike
      RunFast- I am fairly new on this forum and I can not send PM can you please email me regarding coaching? My AIM is the same as my user name on here. I would love to talk with you as soon as possible. Thanks!
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      • Profile picture of the author runfast
        Originally Posted by morethannike View Post

        RunFast- I am fairly new on this forum and I can not send PM can you please email me regarding coaching? My AIM is the same as my user name on here. I would love to talk with you as soon as possible. Thanks!
        I sent you an email. I'm not a Guru that made millions but attached is a screenshot of my last ClickBank Report.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dana_W
    Some things in Internet Marketing work, some don't. I've made money with most things I've tried in IM - but not all. Some have been resounding failures.

    When I first started out among the things I did was write articles on ezinearticles and sent them to a Squidoo lens, promoting a clickbank product. I averaged about one sale per ezinearticle (about 30 visitors for each article, and one sale.)

    Squidoo is apparently getting stricter with their terms these days - you could try writing articles and linking to a blogspot blog instead since they're free.

    Are your articles any good? Do you have a good intriguing resource box for your articles? Are you sending your articles to a persuasive well written web page? This all makes a difference.
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    • Profile picture of the author havefunandlive
      Originally Posted by Dana_W View Post

      Some things in Internet Marketing work, some don't. I've made money with most things I've tried in IM - but not all. Some have been resounding failures.

      When I first started out among the things I did was write articles on ezinearticles and sent them to a Squidoo lens, promoting a clickbank product. I averaged about one sale per ezinearticle (about 30 visitors for each article, and one sale.)

      Squidoo is apparently getting stricter with their terms these days - you could try writing articles and linking to a blogspot blog instead since they're free.

      Are your articles any good? Do you have a good intriguing resource box for your articles? Are you sending your articles to a persuasive well written web page? This all makes a difference.
      Well, the WSO's I've been buying are pretty much proven methods, with a lot of praise and good reviews from other warriors, so I expected at least some indication that I'm on the right track. Right now, I don't really know if I'm just wasting my time again.

      My articles are okay. Informative enough to sell my product while not being too long or too short. Friendly email style. I was told this was the best way to do it in a highly praised WSO, so I went ahead with it's instruction.

      Squidoo is the one I'm having the most trouble with, though. It doesn't seem to do very well on google's rankings.
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    • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
      I'd be thankful that you haven't had to add to that post that you have generated a major loss.

      Remember without failure no-one can succeed, it's failure that will shape your deepest desires.

      A tip today is to chase after your passion while contuning IM that way it becomes easier to scale it to the top.
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  • Profile picture of the author peter gibson
    As you are seeing by the replies, 30 days is not even a drop in the bucket. 7 months is the time it took me to make any income to brag about, and even then it was only barely enough to cover the effort I put into IM.

    It is discouraging to new people, especially to those that come to this business from desperation, looking for a quick fix to financial problems, and also to those that believe the hyped up crap that is spewed all the time online. Things like "I'll Make You 10 000.00 a day in adsense in 5 minutes" e.t.c... come to mind. Utter tripe. Yes it is relatively easy to make money online, but that applies exclusively to those that have already been earning for some time, those who have gone through the hard knocks and have a quantifiable formula.

    When one gets into this line of work there is a steep learning curve involved, and a good deal of tedious labor. And there are personal attributes needed as well, persistence, stamina, belief against all odds, and most important (for me anyway) patience.

    The good news is that once you do see a sale, it will be all over. You will get addicted to replicating that sale to the point where your family will have to drag you from the computer to bathe and eat. You wait and see. That first sale, whether it's 50.00 or 5.00 in adsense, it will make you as ferocious as a shark smelling blood in the water.

    I've often said that the most hard working internet marketer is one who's just made his first sale.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nahar
    There is really no way for us to know what the problem is. When I was starting my most common mistake was getting too excited about a niche that was either too competitive or didn't have big market.

    Did you check the market before you started anything else? Are you sure a lot of people (besides your husband/wife and the best friend) are crazy about the niche you chose? How many hits a day your main keyword gets? Do people who search for your niche buy things?

    Also - if you are doing an affiliate thing - are there good products to sell? You can get the 1st place in Google results and PR3 or higher but if your site doesn't offer anything that people might want to buy - what's the point?

    Are you building your email list or just trying to attract as many potential customers to you website hoping they will click on ads, etc.? Email list marketing is much more effective than just doing SEO, etc.

    Once you find out what you should different - don't think you wasted your time, etc. because the fact is - you are now smarter and much closer to your goal than before. As Robert T. Kiyosaki said: "This is only a game. Sometimes you win and sometimes you learn."
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    • Profile picture of the author havefunandlive
      Originally Posted by Nahar View Post

      There is really no way for us to know what the problem is. When I was starting my most common mistake was getting too excited about a niche that was either too competitive or didn't have big market.

      Did you check the market before you started anything else? Are you sure a lot of people (besides your husband/wife and the best friend) are crazy about the niche you chose? How many hits a day your main keyword gets? Do people who search for your niche buy things?

      Also - if you are doing an affiliate thing - are there good products to sell? You can get the 1st place in Google results and PR3 or higher but if your site doesn't offer anything that people might want to buy - what's the point?

      Are you building your email list or just trying to attract as many potential customers to you website hoping they will click on ads, etc.? Email list marketing is much more effective than just doing SEO, etc.

      Once you find out what you should different - don't think you wasted your time, etc. because the fact is - you are now smarter and much closer to your goal than before. As Robert T. Kiyosaki said: "This is only a game. Sometimes you win and sometimes you learn."
      I'll admit my niche was a little hastily chosen.

      Since I'm good with computers, and a lot of the time I meet with older people who have slow computers and don't know why, I thought that more people like that would want to fix their computers themselves.

      There was my niche. speeding up the computer. That's a very very common desire.

      So, I chose the registry cleaner, since it had a lot of gravity, and therefore, it looked like it was very easy to sell.

      That sounds good on paper, but I completely ignored the fact that my keyword searches were always very saturated with competitors and that my commercial intent searches were mostly coming up "non-commercial".

      Probably because of two reasons. One of those reasons being that when I did research, I found a warrior thread that basically told the OP that there is no such thing as an over-saturated market.

      The second reason was that at the time, I'd already started IM in my niche, anyway.

      So, my reasoning keeps pointing me toward my niche as the problem. Maybe if I had something less competitive, I would've seen better results? I don't really know at this point.
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      • Profile picture of the author SarahMcHarry
        Originally Posted by havefunandlive View Post


        So, I chose the registry cleaner, since it had a lot of gravity, and therefore, it looked like it was very easy to sell.

        That sounds good on paper, but I completely ignored the fact that my keyword searches were always very saturated with competitors and that my commercial intent searches were mostly coming up "non-commercial".
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        Registry Cleaner is quite competitive and, in my experience, some of the products do not convert very well.

        But this experience has been very valuable to you because you have learnt that it isn't necessarily very easy to hit a winning niche.

        Becoming successful involves a process of trial and error. You have to try different products and different processes. It's very difficult for a newcomer to break into successful, established markets.

        My advice is to start with niches that are less competitive and to hone your skills on these. It's easier to make a few bucks when you have fewer competitors and the experience of actually trying will be invaluable.

        We all play this game in a variety of ways depending on our skills, experience, propensities and comfort levels. What works for me may not work for you, and vice versa. What you need to do is to keep exploring the ways you could succeed and treat every failure as a discovery.

        Give yourself time, don't be discouraged and look forward...

        Good luck!

        Sarah
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        • Profile picture of the author CDawson
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          Originally Posted by SarahMcHarry View Post

          Registry Cleaner is quite competitive and, in my experience, some of the products do not convert very well.

          But this experience has been very valuable to you because you have learnt that it isn't necessarily very easy to hit a winning niche.

          Becoming successful involves a process of trial and error. You have to try different products and different processes. It's very difficult for a newcomer to break into successful, established markets.

          My advice is to start with niches that are less competitive and to hone your skills on these. It's easier to make a few bucks when you have fewer competitors and the experience of actually trying will be invaluable.

          We all play this game in a variety of ways depending on our skills, experience, propensities and comfort levels. What works for me may not work for you, and vice versa. What you need to do is to keep exploring the ways you could succeed and treat every failure as a discovery.

          Give yourself time, don't be discouraged and look forward...

          Good luck!

          Sarah
          I would like to vouch for this reply. Trial and error is something that all of us go through alteast once in our IM carrier. I also agree with finding low competitive key words that have a high search volume. These keywords are usually the bread winners.
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        • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
          I would try another niche. Registry Cleaners are a dime a dozen. There are a couple of really good freeware ones and anyone who is savy enough to even consider cleaning their registry knows there's free ones around.

          I have been working online since 1997. Anyone who tells you you can become rich overnight forgets to tell you that you need deep pockets to make that happen. In other words, it takes money to make money quicker as in spending money on PPC advertising.

          I advise you to do not put all your eggs in one basket. Work on another 2 niches and experiment. Don't give up yet.

          Something to ponder: Walt Disney went bankrupt several times before he became a success.

          So failures are just lessons. Successful people don't give up, they persist until something sticks.

          Good luck!
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
        Originally Posted by havefunandlive View Post

        I'll admit my niche was a little hastily chosen.

        Since I'm good with computers, and a lot of the time I meet with older people who have slow computers and don't know why, I thought that more people like that would want to fix their computers themselves.

        There was my niche. speeding up the computer. That's a very very common desire.

        So, I chose the registry cleaner, since it had a lot of gravity, and therefore, it looked like it was very easy to sell.

        That sounds good on paper, but I completely ignored the fact that my keyword searches were always very saturated with competitors and that my commercial intent searches were mostly coming up "non-commercial".

        Probably because of two reasons. One of those reasons being that when I did research, I found a warrior thread that basically told the OP that there is no such thing as an over-saturated market.

        The second reason was that at the time, I'd already started IM in my niche, anyway.

        So, my reasoning keeps pointing me toward my niche as the problem. Maybe if I had something less competitive, I would've seen better results? I don't really know at this point.

        Trouble is that market doesn't even know what a Registry Cleaner is... And if their computer speed is slow forget videos...

        You have to think outside the box... I would talk to some elderly people in my area who have slow computers or think they have slow computers and see what they would search for to find the solution. What do they even call it? (You'd be surprised at that one)

        Mike Hill
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  • Profile picture of the author CDawson
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    Have you tried getting into a new niche? maybe the niche you are in just doesn't get alot of traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lisa Gergets
    Please don't get discouraged! One thing that is so difficult with so many excellent products and services out there is FOCUS!

    Find one program you like and stick with it. Don't do a million things halfway.

    Do one thing well.
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    Don't give up, backlinks alone take a couple months at times to get indexed to you
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    • Profile picture of the author feefondo
      Oh I'm going to step out on the limb here and say I've been working five years I made about $100. So I have absolutely no sympathy for you. there is some good info and advice here so use your search button wisely.
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      • Profile picture of the author havefunandlive
        Originally Posted by feefondo View Post

        Oh I'm going to step out on the limb here and say I've been working five years I made about $100. So I have absolutely no sympathy for you. there is some good info and advice here so use your search button wisely.
        I'm not asking for sympathy. That won't help.

        I want to know if I'm on the right track or not.

        so far, though, I've gotten some pretty good replies.

        Also, they've helped me brainstorm a little more.
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        • Profile picture of the author Liam Hamer
          A big part of how successful you are gonna be is determined by how you respond to periods like this - keep on keeping on
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    • Profile picture of the author JackPowers
      Originally Posted by Chris Farrell View Post

      Build. A. List.

      I bet you are trying to sell immediately aren't you?

      Very tough nowadays.

      Build a list first interested in a particular niche - and then nurture a relationship with your list. And then - and only then - introduce them to related products.

      I make 90% of my online income from my list.

      Kindest

      Chris
      I want to build a list!

      But for now I don't have the time or money to fiddle around with the whole autoresponder thing. I am focusing on selling a physical product now where the customers will register before buying anyway.

      About the list.. It's quite time consuming to setup isn't it?

      Now for selling direct..

      I am focusing on selling products that have trials or demo's or whatever AND I prefer products that deal with recurring or comission based payments.

      In short, financials rock! But it's a killer niche with all the competition.
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  • Profile picture of the author KatherineAnneCarr
    experience is the key unfortunately... but stick at it and you will make the $$$

    but you need to stop chasing the $$ otherwise you wont get anywhere..

    good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author erinwrites
    Have you thought about marketing to people offline? You mentioned that you meet with people who are having computer problems--have you thought about marketing your affiliate product directly to them? There is no rule that says an affiliate product should only be marketed online.

    As far as online stuff--have you thought about starting a blog about computers, computer repair etc? If you have a lot of knowledge in that area you can use that to write blog posts now and schedule them for future publication so it looks like the blog is being updated on a regular basis, which will bring people to your site and could help you increase your sales as well.

    Just a couple of thoughts. I'm working on my own marketing efforts right now to raise my own sales (not affiliate marketing, selling content and copy, want to hire me? ) so I feel your frustration. Like everyone else has said, though, a month isn't a long enough time to really build up your sales. Be patient and maybe explore other niches that you enjoy as additional revenue streams.
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    • Profile picture of the author havefunandlive
      Reading through some of the replies, it seems it's probably the niche I chose after all.

      I was thinking that was the case.

      The funny thing is that I had a creeping feeling that this niche was over-saturated and unusable from the beginning, but decided to go with it anyway, since it was the only niche I could think of at the time. I should trust my instincts more on this sort of thing.

      "There's no such thing as an over-saturated market." I said.

      I have other interests that are probably a lot more profitable than one is, and in fact, since I started getting these replies, I started doing research into other niches and found some that are potentially untapped.

      But I won't chose so lightly this time.

      Big thanks to everyone who replied!

      Have you thought about marketing to people offline? You mentioned that you meet with people who are having computer problems--have you thought about marketing your affiliate product directly to them? There is no rule that says an affiliate product should only be marketed online.
      That's a pretty good idea, I think.

      The only small problem with that is, in my past experience working at a retail store, the general public hates being up-sold on stuff.

      But it's definitely something I should think about.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
        Originally Posted by havefunandlive View Post


        The only small problem with that is, in my past experience working at a retail store, the general public hates being up-sold on stuff.

        That's a load of bull... Well, sort of...

        By saying they hate to be up-sold then yes you are right, everyone doesn't like to be sold to. But they will buy more of what they like or desire...

        So the point is you have to change the way you approach an up-sell in the first place.

        Mike Hill
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      • Profile picture of the author warriorkevin
        Havefun,

        you did something most people never do - take action.
        also 30 days is not tool long to make money whether you are being coached or not.
        I have released many products and made some money in under 30 days.

        Research and planning has to go into how you pick a market, niche, keywords etc (they are not exactly the same).

        When looking at your keywords, it can be complicated. My secret has always been to gleen the fields. I used to sell merchant accounts. Try finding keywords in that industry. Well I found what people searched for and found the keywords no one was advertising for or bidding on.

        Second thing about your market - older people are less pc saavy and probably wouldn't have any idea what a registry cleaner is and definitely unless you know what you are doing, should't use one.

        Third, do these people spend money online? I dunno, my senses tell me based on my folks (50s -60) NO - especially in areas they are uncertain in.

        Lastly, are these people hungry for your product? They probably have no idea they have a need unless you expliain that very wel.

        Now, having said that, your product or niche may not be the problem, it may be your approach or audience. It could be your keywords you choose. IT could be you didn't optimize for a weaker keyword with traffic either on-site or with your backlinks.

        I can only say that I make money by focusing on very tight niches or keywords.

        Your campaign is salvageable. But You may want to take another shot at a better niche/market and focus on very specific keywords - not just the product or idea.
        In a competitive market, you'll get eaten alive if you are sloppy. Be a sniper and focus very quietly and very specifically on weaker keywords that get traffic.

        Don't trust me, try it yourself.

        I am by no means an expert, but I have had some success with smaller tighter niches.

        good job on doing something. That is the hardest part. Keep it simple, and tighten the focus. Pretty soon, you'll be making money and laughing about it.

        I myself am venturing out into some unknown territory trying to launch a list and it is a new world for me. Everybody goes through it.

        Kevin
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  • Profile picture of the author Nilesh
    I go on the same lines as peter_gibson said.It is not overnight or in one month.It takes a while to actually get the cash rolling in your adsense or clickbank.Just hang in their buddy.Internet money making is not going anywhere and you will sure get your share if you do your hardwork in the right direction.
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  • Profile picture of the author Laura Varon
    I'll echo what everyone else here has said - give it time. One month is FAR too soon to see any results.
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  • Profile picture of the author Revolves
    Originally Posted by havefunandlive View Post

    I've been trying for a few weeks now and still haven't seen any results for all of my hard work.

    I've tried paying for a host and making a wordpress blog, didn't make a dime in adsense or clickbank.

    I've tried writing a series of articles (and buying a .info domain for my affiliate link) and trying to raise them to the top of the google keyword searches using backlinks -- only 1 has made it to the front page (not that it's getting any views), the others either don't appear at all or are in places where they wouldn't get any views anyway.

    I've researched all day and all night, buying different WSO's, thinking they would help, but I'm still in the same position.

    I have very very few hops on clickbank.

    In the last 30 days, I've had about 30 clickbank hops.

    I'm losing money here.

    What could be the problem? Is it my niche?

    It's computer repair, specifically registry problems on the computer.

    I think the niche you are promoting is good. But you are using the wrong affiliate network. Most of the software community use regnow and or plimus to sell their software. You will find much better registry cleaners at regnow or plimus.
    You will get more people to download the software and possibly convert them into sales.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe118
    hfal,

    1. Do you know how much traffic your niche has? Google has an external keyword research tool (just google 'external keyword', I'm too new here so I cannot post the link). It may be your niche has not got enough traffic, if so move on to another niche.

    2. Do you target the right keywords, the ones that attract people looking to buy? Generally I'd target keywords that show commercial intent. Again, google 'commercial intent', there's a very nice tool from Microsoft Labs that shows you what they think the intent is when a searcher types in a keyword to the search engine.

    3. Does your web site suck? Sorry, most web sites do suck. Redesign and test to see what improves your outcome.

    4. Does the product you're promoting suck? Sorry, most clickbank products suck. If there are other products in the niche that you could promote, do a split test with them and see whether you get any sales. Stick with the products that make you sales, doesn't matter what the rest of the world is doing (i.e. gravity and all that). If this product sells with your approach, great, keep doing what works.

    And next time, for god's sake, spend no money and build no website and invest no time before you *KNOW* what the parameters are.

    On the positive side of things, you did something only 3% of all internet marketers ever do -- you did SOMETHING, you actually took action. You're closer to success than 97% of all internet marketers. DO NOT GIVE UP!
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    • Profile picture of the author havefunandlive
      Originally Posted by Joe118 View Post

      hfal,

      1. Do you know how much traffic your niche has? Google has an external keyword research tool (just google 'external keyword', I'm too new here so I cannot post the link). It may be your niche has not got enough traffic, if so move on to another niche.
      I researched that much. I found some keywords and ran them through for commercial intent and general audience analysis and found them to be usable.

      EDIT: Well, actually, I struggled for a while to get any keywords with commercial intent in them. In the end, I settled for 4-5 keywords with commercial intent and 2-3 (sorry, don't quite remember) with around 60 percent non-commercial intent.

      3. Does your web site suck? Sorry, most web sites do suck. Redesign and test to see what improves your outcome.
      haha.

      Well, I don't know. It was a wordpress blog when I still updated it.

      For a while, I turned it into an autoblog, though, which actually got me more traffic. As you might expect, though, the traffic was actually uninterested.

      Maybe I should experiment more with original content.

      4. Does the product you're promoting suck? Sorry, most clickbank products suck. If there are other products in the niche that you could promote, do a split test with them and see whether you get any sales. Stick with the products that make you sales, doesn't matter what the rest of the world is doing (i.e. gravity and all that). If this product sells with your approach, great, keep doing what works.
      hmmm... Well, it has very safe and powerful alternatives that are more popular and are free. Such as CCleaner, so as a product itself, it works, but up against CCleaner who knows?

      And yeah, you're right about the gravity part. It doesn't have much bearing on the success of a product, nor how easy it is to sell.

      Now I need to find a product that works for me, though.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
    Originally Posted by havefunandlive View Post

    I've been trying for a few weeks now and still haven't seen any results for all of my hard work.

    I've tried paying for a host and making a wordpress blog, didn't make a dime in adsense or clickbank.

    I've tried writing a series of articles (and buying a .info domain for my affiliate link) and trying to raise them to the top of the google keyword searches using backlinks -- only 1 has made it to the front page (not that it's getting any views), the others either don't appear at all or are in places where they wouldn't get any views anyway.

    I've researched all day and all night, buying different WSO's, thinking they would help, but I'm still in the same position.

    I have very very few hops on clickbank.

    In the last 30 days, I've had about 30 clickbank hops.

    I'm losing money here.

    What could be the problem? Is it my niche?

    It's computer repair, specifically registry problems on the computer.
    {Expletive deleted. more expletives deleted, and yet more} When I see this kind of post I just want to reach through the monitor and give you a good, swift kick in the backside.

    "I've been trying for a few weeks now and still haven't seen any results for all of my hard work."

    Will you people quit coming on here with stars in your eyes, believing that you should be getting money pouring into your account within weeks. Weeks? For crying out loud! It used to take years to make money in business. Yes, the Internet has speeded things up, but let's apply some common sense. And forget about the shiny salesletters that are hyping you up with their "Make money overnight in your pajamas" BS.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe118
    Kevin is right of course, but hey you could use a bit gentler approach Success with IM is a long arduous process, and there are obstacles ALL ALONG, it never stops being difficult. You're running 17 marathons strung end to end, its not a 100 yard dash.
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    • Profile picture of the author havefunandlive
      Originally Posted by Joe118 View Post

      Kevin is right of course, but hey you could use a bit gentler approach Success with IM is a long arduous process, and there are obstacles ALL ALONG, it never stops being difficult. You're running 17 marathons strung end to end, its not a 100 yard dash.
      Yeah. I expected some angry replies when I made this thread, but it's still doing more good than bad.

      I like that I'm getting human input rather than just reading ebooks with proven instructions in them.

      I get that I'm not going to make money in weeks. I just wanted to know if I'm on the right track, basically.

      Is my niche bad?

      Are there things I could be doing better?

      That sort of thing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
      Originally Posted by Joe118 View Post

      Kevin is right of course, but hey you could use a bit gentler approach Success with IM is a long arduous process, and there are obstacles ALL ALONG, it never stops being difficult. You're running 17 marathons strung end to end, its not a 100 yard dash.
      What would you rather: I molly-coddle and the Warrior just keeps bumbling along "trying" this and that, and then blaming it all on those "circumstances" that somehow hold them back? Or that I give a swift kick and get the whimpering over with, so the Warrior can start acting like a true Warrior?
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe118
    There's no such thing as a bad niche. There are niches with more potential and niches with less potential.

    Your specific niche has free products that are very good in it.

    I'd move on. No matter how good the product is that you're trying to market, it cannot compete with FREE. I forgot to put this in my first post, but hey, you should enter a niche knowing full well what products are being offered (I think you did that, just saying). And entering a niche with free products is hard.
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    • Profile picture of the author havefunandlive
      Originally Posted by Joe118 View Post

      There's no such thing as a bad niche. There are niches with more potential and niches with less potential.

      Your specific niche has free products that are very good in it.

      I'd move on. No matter how good the product is that you're trying to market, it cannot compete with FREE. I forgot to put this in my first post, but hey, you should enter a niche knowing full well what products are being offered (I think you did that, just saying). And entering a niche with free products is hard.
      That's a good way of putting it.

      Can't compete with free, haha!

      I'm thinking of some good secondary niches to enter. Some that would be easier for someone who's coming in entry level, perhaps.
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  • Profile picture of the author deezine
    It took me about 3 months to make a sale, and it wasn't even for a large amount. I think just like everyone else has said you need to give it more time. Even if you decide to move on and try different niche, you will need to give more than 30 days.
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    • Profile picture of the author JAIDEEP2959
      Which WSOS did you bought?

      Ezinearticles.com has became stricter, article marketing has became very difficult now.

      Go for Facebook advertising for clickbank products for a test amount of $25.

      Here are the tips :

      1)Keep your ads short and to the point.

      2)Target as much as you can.

      3)Include price in your ad so that only person who is willing to pay can click on the ad.

      4)Use picture of the product.

      5)Use pay per click and not pay per impression.

      Good luck.
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      • Profile picture of the author havefunandlive
        Originally Posted by JAIDEEP2959 View Post

        Which WSOS did you bought?

        Ezinearticles.com has became stricter, article marketing has became very difficult now.

        Go for Facebook advertising for clickbank products for a test amount of $25.

        Here are the tips :

        1)Keep your ads short and to the point.

        2)Target as much as you can.

        3)Include price in your ad so that only person who is willing to pay can click on the ad.

        4)Use picture of the product.

        5)Use pay per click and not pay per impression.

        Good luck.
        Ah!

        Thanks for the tip! It makes a lot of sense.

        EDIT: Let's see. The first WSO I ever got was a free one. The Joe Mack Method for new people like me.

        It was pretty informative.

        The second one I bought was that guide to keyword research, but I forget it's name. It's not that I didn't read it, it's just that I have all of the information memorized and bookmarked, now.

        I have the article-writing on auto-pilot WSO coupled with Paul Johnson's Backlinking Packet, also. Those are my favorites, but doing them takes a lot of time.

        Those are the ones I know that I know I have off of the top of my head.
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  • Profile picture of the author scole954387
    Originally Posted by havefunandlive View Post

    I've been trying for a few weeks now and still haven't seen any results for all of my hard work.

    I've tried paying for a host and making a wordpress blog, didn't make a dime in adsense or clickbank.

    I've tried writing a series of articles (and buying a .info domain for my affiliate link) and trying to raise them to the top of the google keyword searches using backlinks -- only 1 has made it to the front page (not that it's getting any views), the others either don't appear at all or are in places where they wouldn't get any views anyway.

    I've researched all day and all night, buying different WSO's, thinking they would help, but I'm still in the same position.

    I have very very few hops on clickbank.

    In the last 30 days, I've had about 30 clickbank hops.

    I'm losing money here.

    What could be the problem? Is it my niche?

    It's computer repair, specifically registry problems on the computer.
    I used to promote the registry software available on clickbank. I found it a hard product to sell.

    Have you done all your market research before spending money? I mean, do you know what keywords your going to target, the number of searches a day they receive, your competition?

    If you're new to marketing online I HIGHLY recommend Ed Dale's Thirty Day Challenge. They're in pre-season right now and the official show begins in August. It's free and a great resource for new people as everything is laid out into daily action plans that are easy to understand and do. Plus it's free and no obligation. I'm good friends with Ed and Dan who host the show.

    Shannon
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    • Profile picture of the author havefunandlive
      Originally Posted by scole954387 View Post

      I used to promote the registry software available on clickbank. I found it a hard product to sell.

      Have you done all your market research before spending money? I mean, do you know what keywords your going to target, the number of searches a day they receive, your competition?

      If you're new to marketing online I HIGHLY recommend Ed Dale's Thirty Day Challenge. They're in pre-season right now and the official show begins in August. It's free and a great resource for new people as everything is laid out into daily action plans that are easy to understand and do. Plus it's free and no obligation. I'm good friends with Ed and Dan who host the show.

      Shannon
      Yes. I've done all of the research needed to get something up on the market.

      I knew my competition in this market before I was even interested in IM, to be honest. For some reason, though, I thought I could sell this product anyway.

      I dunno. Some people are telling me to stay in this niche and wait a few more months until I decide whether or not to abandon this niche, but I still don't see the registry software niche to be that profitable anymore.

      Like Joe said earlier: You can't compete with free.

      And these products in this niche aren't only free; they're highly cared for and very powerful tools used by elite computer software users and the word has long since been spreaded to newer computer users.

      So that's point one against registry software.

      Point 2 is very easy and obvious, but someone else brought it up. The average age of my audience in this niche is somewhere around 50.

      In my experience speaking and interacting with people around that age, they are absolutely against paying for things using the internet.

      Well, not all of them, but enough of them to create an impact.

      There are other points, (anyone who knows about the registry probably knows there's free alternatives, etc, etc) but you get the point.

      It's not an entry-level niche.

      EDIT: Oh, and thanks for the recommendation. I'll be sure to check that out.
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  • Profile picture of the author Slyknight
    Like many people have said, 1 month is not that long. If you have read somewhere that internet marketing can bring you thousands in that short period of mind, you need to get it out of your system. It sounds like you're working hard though. Which is good. Just keep it up.

    Also, before purchasing something, it will be a good idea to do some research on it first. Odds are something have tried it already and wrote and review about it somewhere. This way you'll know exactly what u r buying and won't end up getting disappointed.
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  • Profile picture of the author havefunandlive
    No no, I didn't get into internet marketing by a squeeze page or anything like that.

    I wasn't tricked into thinking it would take a night or two.

    I just have mental deadlines I'd like to meet. It makes me work harder.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Boduch
    I'd just like to add to the many helpful suggestions and kicks to the posterior ...

    1. Don't give up. If you walk away from what you've already done, your efforts are lost for the most part, except for any lessons learned.

    2. Create your own introductory product. You're an expert in this area so it should be easy. You could give it away as an incentive to get people to subscribe to your list. You could sell it yourself, or offer it to affiliates with 100% commission and let them sell it for you while you build your list.

    3. It's easy to get discouraged when you can't see and measure your progress. But that doesn't mean that your next (or fist sale) isn't just around the corner. Consider the cumulative effect and keep building.

    4. Test other niches as you go. Just don't give up on the foundation you've already begun.
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    • Profile picture of the author havefunandlive
      Originally Posted by Robert Boduch View Post

      I'd just like to add to the many helpful suggestions and kicks to the posterior ...

      1. Don't give up. If you walk away from what you've already done, your efforts are lost for the most part, except for any lessons learned.

      2. Create your own introductory product. You're an expert in this area so it should be easy. You could give it away as an incentive to get people to subscribe to your list. You could sell it yourself, or offer it to affiliates with 100% commission and let them sell it for you while you build your list.

      3. It's easy to get discouraged when you can't see and measure your progress. But that doesn't mean that your next (or fist sale) isn't just around the corner. Consider the cumulative effect and keep building.

      4. Test other niches as you go. Just don't give up on the foundation you've already begun.
      Ah, thanks. informative and encouraging.

      There seems to be a split in who thinks what's better on warrior forum.

      Some people are saying to build a list with a squeeze page (people like Joe Mack) and other people are saying that wordpress blogs are better.

      Interesting...

      Anyway, thanks. I may keep this niche in mind as I start to build upon another primary niche.

      First I'll decide whether to stay with this niche or not.
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      • Profile picture of the author Hesaidblissfully
        Originally Posted by havefunandlive View Post

        Ah, thanks. informative and encouraging.

        There seems to be a split in who thinks what's better on warrior forum.

        Some people are saying to build a list with a squeeze page (people like Joe Mack) and other people are saying that wordpress blogs are better.

        Interesting...
        They're both right, depending on what you're promoting and how. Building a list is generally the best way to go, because it allows you to follow up with people and make multiple sales over time.

        However, if you have something like a Wordpress product review blog set up, where people come to your site because they're looking for information about a specific product before they buy, those people may not be interested in getting further information about the topic. They just want to know if the product is good. That's not to say you couldn't tweak it by offering them information about related topics they might be interested in, but product review sites are usually set up for one time sales of specific products.

        On the other hand, if you have a blog about a broad subject like dating, weight loss, self-improvement, stock trading, etc. then having an opt-in box and newsletter is great because people who visit the blog will probably want further information on the topic.

        As for the registry repair niche, that was where I made my first Clickbank sales. One thing I'll say is to consider the difference in mindset between a person who has an actual PROBLEM with their computer where they're getting registry errors and it's interfering with their work, versus a person who just wants to make their computer run a little faster.

        If you're going to do that niche, you want to target people who want the problem solved now. It could be that if you're focusing on people who want their computers to run a bit faster, they just don't have the same level of urgency where they'll purchase a product right away.

        In this niche, you ultimately want to write your material around keywords that:

        1. Have a decent amount of searches.

        2. Are "desperate buyer" keywords - meaning "I want this problem solved today!" instead of "Yeah, this is sort of annoying, I guess...i should probably do something about it."

        3. Are rankable, meaning they should be fairly easy to rank on the first page of search results, based on competition.

        Good luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author gianne2705
      As i advice you,always have patience and continue working hard in achieving your goal.I agree,30 days is not too long but i guess just a start in making your step to earn money.
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    • Profile picture of the author xiaophil
      Have you tried getting into a new niche? maybe the niche you are in just doesn't get alot of traffic.
      1. Do you know how much traffic your niche has? ... It may be your niche has not got enough traffic, if so move on to another niche.
      Does a niche 'get traffic'? Maybe we're talking about search queries. Web sites get traffic.

      The words 'registry cleaner' and associated keywords get millions of search queries per month according to Google.


      Another reason is that "registry fix" programs can be easily downloaded for free and so most people are not willing to pay for it.
      Well, it has very safe and powerful alternatives that are more popular and are free.
      No matter how good the product is that you're trying to market, it cannot compete with FREE.
      I wouldn't be too worried about this.

      One of the affiliate products I promote contains a large proportion of information which can be found on the web for free. The value is in how the product has been aggregated, packaged and presented - there are many info products based on public domain material which sell very well.

      Also, many people perceive a free product (especially something critical like antivirus or registry software) as having a lower quality. This is almost logical as if something is free it has no value right?


      Adsense, I believe ... gives people a way to leave your blog rather than staying there.
      Absolutely. It's hard enough getting them there in the first place, so why display a device designed to repel them?

      It's better if they leave through your affiliate link, yes?


      I started doing research into other niches and found some that are potentially untapped.
      By 'untapped' do you mean there are few or no products selling?
      That may be for a reason.


      The only small problem with that is, in my past experience working at a retail store, the general public hates being up-sold on stuff.
      No one likes it but it works, would you like fries with that?


      2. Do you target the right keywords, the ones that attract people looking to buy?
      I had a quick look and there appears to be a number of keywords that would imply some urgency on the part of the searcher.

      Also some from obvious freebie seekers, which are probably better avoided.


      3. Does your web site suck? Sorry, most web sites do suck. Redesign and test to see what improves your outcome.
      Is it a straight blog? Have you done any product comparisons or reviews?


      Point 2 is very easy and obvious, but someone else brought it up. The average age of my audience in this niche is somewhere around 50.
      Could I ask how you determined that?


      The registry problems niche is very competitive and many affiliates lost money.
      Lost money? PPC right?

      There are other ways to test a niche for next to nothing. Throw up a web site with some reviews and articles, slap on analytics and do a few bookmarks and links. See which long tail keywords start trickling in and use that topic for fresh content. Ready, fire, aim.
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      • Profile picture of the author EmmaJames
        Don't beat yourself up for buying different WSO's, I've
        done the same thing.

        BUT I've learned something from each one. And now,
        combined, I use a bunch of different techniques to
        make money.

        Knowledge IS power. There were times I had to go
        back and re-read some of the SEO stuff I've gotten
        but it really through me for a loop.

        But keep at it. I've made pretty decent money and
        everyday I find new ideas here to increase my bottom
        line.

        You gotta play around with things until you find something
        that really clicks for you. That's just the nature of the beast.

        While some are Twitter superstars others are masters at
        flipping websites and others master copywriting.

        My point here is keep at it. We've all been discouraged.

        You are not alone. Just feel what you feel and then move
        on from it. Don't let it consume you.

        You'll be alright...
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    even "proven" methods need time. 30 Days? Sometimes it would need 2 weeks just for a simple article to appear in a directory....or a site being ranked. When i started i took me a year until i saw my first pennies come in. Nothing in IM is "instant" usually...its a long way to go, trial/error/learning.
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  • Profile picture of the author FredFarnes
    One month and one niche are not enough. You need more of both.

    Also stop believing the WSO marketing tripe. Whatever they say to get your money is not to be believed. Making money in IM takes time, money, experience, and it is very competitive.

    Do not give up, try harder. Or failure is guaranteed.
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    So, you want to sell me another way to easily make "X" dollars in "X" days? ROFL too funny! IM success requires hard work and lots of time. Most newbies do not survive the steep learning curve. Anyone who says otherwise is probably selling you a fantasy.

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    • Profile picture of the author havefunandlive
      Originally Posted by FredFarnes View Post

      One month and one niche are not enough. You need more of both.

      Also stop believing the WSO marketing tripe. Whatever they say to get your money is not to be believed. Making money in IM takes time, money, experience, and it is very competitive.

      Do not give up, try harder. Or failure is guaranteed.
      Thanks. So at least I'm on the right track when I say I need more niches.

      I try to only buy WSO's if they're reasonably priced and have good reviews from other warriors.

      The WSO's I've bought weren't the usual "You'll earn 6,000 dollars in 15 days!" though. They were strictly research based WSO's. Things like reports that give information for keyword research or methods to gaining traffic to clickbank links.

      I think I've had my share of WSO's for now, though. I don't need anymore for now.
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      • Profile picture of the author warriorkevin
        Why does everyone say 30 days is not enough?

        Is this for people who use article marketing?

        I think 30 days for your first sale is way too long.

        But I have never written an article for these article sites and I usually sell only my own products.

        I have NO LIST. (In fact that is my problem right now, is that I need to learn how to start a list from scratch.)

        You may not make tons, but you should be making sales.

        I use adwords and I find missed keywords (ones that people search for but no one is bidding on), so I pay 5-10 cents and $1-$2 a day limit. You may spend $20-$50 a month depending on how many keywords or how broad of choices you use. But you need to make sure that 1-2 sales will offset that. Making more than breakeven should not be a problem.

        I have done this with every product I have launched. Some I launched 4-5 years ago and have never touched and I still make sales. In fact, now instead of adwords, most of my products are found on page 1 if not result 1 for my keywords.

        I am just saying, there are a LOT of ways to do things. Start by giving yourself a leg up by finding something easier to sell. Then repeat and find ways to improve your results.

        Not to dis the warrior forum, but take a break from WSO's. You'll only be distracted and thrown into another direction. If you need to buy something, make sure it is VERY related to what you are doing, not something else you might want to try. just saying....

        kevin
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  • Profile picture of the author magnusmora
    Kevin, your last point is a good one. I am a bit of an impulse buyer and have bought WSO after WSO. Your right, you need to step back, put a plan together and implement. I have been buidling websites for years, however I have been doing IM for the last 3 months, its only in the last month that I decided to sit down, put a proper plan together and actually implement it.

    I found using a mind map with my main website in the middle and then all the buble activities around it really helped me build a plan.

    Anyway got my first Click bank sale about a week ago. My adsense is pretty rubbish, average about $1 a week!! But hey, a few dollars here and their keeps the motivation going. The main thing is that it is moving in the right direction. I am going to concentrate on this one project until I am happy I have followed it through to the end. I suspect that in reality it will take a good 3 months before its complete. Hopefully if my plan works, I will repeat adding what I have learnt on this project.

    Cheers Steve

    WSO can easily distract you.
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    • Profile picture of the author thomashoi
      Originally Posted by magnusmora View Post

      Kevin, your last point is a good one. I am a bit of an impulse buyer and have bought WSO after WSO. Your right, you need to step back, put a plan together and implement. I have been buidling websites for years, however I have been doing IM for the last 3 months, its only in the last month that I decided to sit down, put a proper plan together and actually implement it.

      I found using a mind map with my main website in the middle and then all the buble activities around it really helped me build a plan.

      Anyway got my first Click bank sale about a week ago. My adsense is pretty rubbish, average about $1 a week!! But hey, a few dollars here and their keeps the motivation going. The main thing is that it is moving in the right direction. I am going to concentrate on this one project until I am happy I have followed it through to the end. I suspect that in reality it will take a good 3 months before its complete. Hopefully if my plan works, I will repeat adding what I have learnt on this project.

      Cheers Steve

      WSO can easily distract you.
      So many newbies focus on website building with the bells and whistles, driving traffic,
      competition spy but none focus on the content! it's no wonder why so many
      newbies fails badly.
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  • Profile picture of the author thomashoi
    The registry problems niche is very competitive and many affiliates lost money.

    Unless you are very specific to what your target audience really wants, I advise you to choose another niche.

    Another reason is that "registry fix" programs can be easily downloaded for free and so most people are not willing to pay for it.

    If you just observe google hot trend, pick a hot keyword and blog about it with adsense, you should be able to make your first $1 fast.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Originally Posted by havefunandlive View Post

    I've been trying for a few weeks now and still haven't seen any results for all of my hard work.

    Sorry if I come across a little gruff, but seriouly, a FEW WEEKS??????

    You have to be kidding right. I have invested the last 6 years of my life, pulling 15 hour days, almost every day, week after week, month after month, year after year to get where I am today, and you're whinging about no results after a few weeks????
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    • Profile picture of the author kurt naulaerts
      I understand very well how you feel!

      What does a newbie have to think when another email, often coming from a so called guru, lands in his inbox and promoting another wealth generating product???

      Let me give an example. I just searched the clickbank marketplace, money and employment, entrepreneur.

      What is the first "high gravity" product???

      CopynProfit!

      What does the sales letter say?

      -> "Copy our exact campaigns that make up to $94,000 every 30 days on autopilot"

      And what about the testimonials. Hey, these are real people, right??!!!

      -> "made 12 sales immediately", "In the first week I made 5 sales for a little over $109"


      What is the second high gravity product?

      TurboCashGenerator

      What does the sales letter say?

      -> "The Internet's Fastest, Easiest And Laziest 'Plug-And-Play' Software For Making Immediate Money Online With Twitter...Introducing...

      The killer software that makes me $3,000 every day using twitter


      Using The Power Of Twitter And This Plug-And-Play Software You Have An Automated Money Machine That Can't Stop Sending You Cash...Even If You Want It To!

      Click Here To Start Making Money From Home TODAY!"


      Do I have to continue????

      What loser is not able to make money online fast??????
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  • Profile picture of the author Kris Turner
    If you've only had 30 hops in 30 days you have no idea if it's selling. Wait until you have at least 200/300, then you can make a call.

    Also, since you've only had 30 hops, you're most immediate problem is traffic. So focus entirely on that instead of looking for other models or other products to promote.

    Write as many articles as you can. It's boring and tedious, but always brings pretty quick traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tyrus Antas
    Originally Posted by havefunandlive View Post

    I've tried paying for a host and making a wordpress blog
    ...
    I've tried writing a series of articles
    Mindset is your problem. That's not how you run a business. Writing a series of articles? You're not even scratching the surface.

    For how much time have you been building your online assets? Do you have a newsletter? Do you have a blog people want to visit? Do you have a social profile(not the spammy type, a real social profile)? How much networking have you done? What value do you have to offer? If you answer nothing, how can you find and build value to offer?

    You're not building a business, you're chasing an opportunity.

    Tyrus
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  • Profile picture of the author nuz
    Happy Independence Day To All

    I just wanted to add that I've just started in February of this year and I have not made a dime yet.

    What I am learning and that I want to pass on is, you are on the right track if this computer info is something you know, but you need to go to Google keywords tool and type in your keyword and find what is the most searched words in that category and make your articles and blogs/sites about that word or phrase.

    Give the customer exactly what they ask for (the keyword) and then push whatever you have to sell on them.

    It's not necessarily the niche, it's how you present it.

    Hope this helps
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  • Profile picture of the author Igor Kheifets
    Originally Posted by havefunandlive View Post

    I've been trying for a few weeks now and still haven't seen any results for all of my hard work.

    I've tried paying for a host and making a wordpress blog, didn't make a dime in adsense or clickbank.

    I've tried writing a series of articles (and buying a .info domain for my affiliate link) and trying to raise them to the top of the google keyword searches using backlinks -- only 1 has made it to the front page (not that it's getting any views), the others either don't appear at all or are in places where they wouldn't get any views anyway.

    I've researched all day and all night, buying different WSO's, thinking they would help, but I'm still in the same position.

    I have very very few hops on clickbank.

    In the last 30 days, I've had about 30 clickbank hops.

    I'm losing money here.

    What could be the problem? Is it my niche?

    It's computer repair, specifically registry problems on the computer.

    There is no problem. Stop whining.

    The thing is that most marketers, just like you(sorry if I am being harsh)
    are writing few articles, couple of squidoo lenses, get a blog set up and sit there
    waiting for thei clickbank account to explode.

    It is not going to happen.

    What you need to do is to write 3-5 articles a day for 4-6 month
    and than look back and review.

    Marketing demands persistence! There is no easy, lottery ticket kind of success in this undustry, Sorry.

    Igor
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  • Profile picture of the author Adrian Cooper
    Originally Posted by havefunandlive View Post

    I've been trying for a few weeks now and still haven't seen any results for all of my hard work.

    I've tried paying for a host and making a wordpress blog, didn't make a dime in adsense or clickbank.

    I've tried writing a series of articles (and buying a .info domain for my affiliate link) and trying to raise them to the top of the google keyword searches using backlinks -- only 1 has made it to the front page (not that it's getting any views), the others either don't appear at all or are in places where they wouldn't get any views anyway.

    I've researched all day and all night, buying different WSO's, thinking they would help, but I'm still in the same position.

    I have very very few hops on clickbank.

    In the last 30 days, I've had about 30 clickbank hops.

    I'm losing money here.

    What could be the problem? Is it my niche?

    It's computer repair, specifically registry problems on the computer.
    The only way to make money quickly in IM is using PPC, but PPC is also a good way of losing money quickly.

    If you are building your IM business organically, you need to take a 12 month view to reach the point where you can concentrate on it full time.

    Computers are a touch niche.

    One mistake most new IM'ers make is to promote something that excites them as opposed to finding and verifying the market first. Of course if there is a market for something you are passionate about, and there often is, then go for it - your success likelihood has increased dramatically.
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