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Hard to see through the fog.

by manmeetsfire
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Hey gang.

I have been trying IM for about a year now since deciding I don't want to be location dependent and more importantly not have a boss anymore. I got the opportunity to travel the world from 19 years old and work and live in some great countries like Tokyo and the U.K.. I also raised my income to almost 200K a year at this time. I got to live the life I wanted, travel, vacations, and all that comes with it. I also had a bosses to answer too and came to not enjoy my job anymore. I wanted a as I call it "free to roam" lifestyle. Work from the Maldives, Scotland, or anywhere lifestyle. I moved back to the United states and invested in a promising start-up. After a year in a half I realized I was working 15 hours a day to make someone else rich. I was an employee with only a promise of future ownership. I went from making 180K a year to 30K. My wife and I lost our house in the U.K. and had a daughter. We struggle living in Dallas making around 60K between us. Since starting IM I'm at a loss profit wise. I bought into the programs, E-books, coaches, and promises. I know I am a work horse. I know Im intelligent and have a mindset to conquer any goal I have. I know my wife is incredibly talented and intelligent as well but we are at wits end. Is the whole goal of IM to sell products about how to do IM. Is that the only way to truly be free? The last program we used I literally found everything in the program within 30 minutes online. I even packaged it into a nice little "course" myself and sent it to my "coach". This is a highly respected course in this forum and in podcast as well. Of course I was refused a refund and was actually told I should sell my course and they would show me how!!! No! I don't know what I'm doing, people shouldn't buy something I sell.

The thing is I do have great Ideas in great niches that I now would work. Maybe not millionair idea, but maybe. I just need to know how to make them happen. People keep saying having drive is the hard part that can't be taught. I learned drive by living poor and working myself to make 6 figures in my early 20s only years after driving a car with literally holes in the door and paying with change for gas to barely make it home.

This may just be a vent but I'm hoping there are actually people on this site that aren't just trying to sell me a program or course. Someone that can just talk to me and hear my ideas and maybe set me in a direction. Someone successful or not.

Also, I have wanted to connect with people like me. The lost souls of IM. I wanted to do a podcast that was one huge case study with an audience that could grow with me and a co-host from nothing to hopefully a great lifestyle we all dream of but haven't found the right person to be involved with me.

Thanks to anyone that read this. It wasn't helpful, or useful to the internet or anyone really but it was nice to vent. lol

MMF
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    If you've been in IM for a year now, you know the issues and the challenges with starting a business online. It's never easy but many have overcome the roadblocks and kept at it until they were successful.
    "Is the whole goal of IM to sell products about how to do IM. Is that the only way to truly be free?"
    Of course not.If you were observant over the past year you would know that it's best for newbies not to tackle the IM niche. How can you teach about making money online if you are struggling to do it?
    "The thing is I do have great Ideas in great niches that I know would work."
    Great ideas are a dime a dozen. We all have them. But until they are acted upon and implemented in a workable system, they simply remain dreams.

    Now is the time to get going. Take your very best idea, do your market research to prove the demand and viability of profiting from that idea, and get started with an extreme focus on making it happen no matter what.
    "Someone that can just talk to me and hear my ideas and maybe set me in a direction. Someone successful or not."
    There are two things wrong with this approach. First, no one can tell you what the right direction is for you. Successful business owners have to find their own way - blaze their own trail - figure things out for themselves. That's the way it's always been.

    Second, you want to talk to "someone successful or not." Why in the world would you seek advice about doing business from someone that was not successful? That's a road map for disaster.

    "I have wanted to connect with people like me. The lost souls of IM." There's a phrase for this . . . the blind leading the blind. You don't need a mutual admiration society where you discuss how or why you're lost. You need to seek out successful people and model their profitable ways. Forget those who are lost - for now, at least.

    MMF, the best thing you could do right now would be to stop venting, get going on a business (there are thousands of ways to make money online - all you need is just one), learn and grow as you go, and be persistent in knocking every roadblock out of the way as you come upon them.

    If you keep doing what you've been doing, you will be venting again right here in the forum a year from now.

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    • Profile picture of the author manmeetsfire
      Thank you for the reply Steve! I really appreciate the advice. I know what you mean about not taking action and venting will get you nowhere. I wasn't meaning to come off like thats the only action I'm taking. I am applying myself daily to research and action. It just hasn't panned out. I don't want to talk to the average person that has failed but someone like me. Someone that is driven and is trying but just has not hit their goals yet. I have heard people make these connections early in their careers and become successful by pushing and helping each other. Also, I'm not looking to meet successful people I can learn from for them to lead me in the same direction as them, but to be able to bounce my ideas off someone and get insight into their ideas would be awesome. Even if it doesn't fit my path or ideas. thanks again for the response
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    I may be wrong but it sounds to me like you are the victim of SOS,(Shinny Object Syndrome) We've all been there. You need a system. A proven successful system and there are many. You also have to understand there aren't may programs that you sign up for today and the money comes rolling in instantly. There is work involved.

    Also don't be the type who has to know every minute detail before taking action. Even imperfect action is better than perfect inaction.

    There are no easy button ways to make money online that I am aware of but what has worked for me and the closest thing to easy that I've ever done was to get involved in a couple of proven systems with proven product funnels and products that I was able to just plug in the traffic and watch it go.

    I also have niche mini sites that bring in money every day for me. You can do the same. If you want me to hook you up with any of these systems PM me and I'll be happy to get specific.

    Yes, these systems will take a small investment in money and a bigger investment in work and time but you said, drive is no problem for you. So if you're serious hit me up or even click my signature link for some of my sources of income.

    And yes, I am not ashamed to say I'm trying to sell you something. I'm a frigging marketer and if you want to be successful online you have to be a marketer too. However I'm willing to do much better than to just sell you something and leave you to figure it out on your own.

    I will and can help you but saying don't sell me something but help me make money, come on this is business. Even if you were my brother I'd give you the same advice.

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    Originally Posted by manmeetsfire View Post

    Is the whole goal of IM to sell products about how to do IM. Is that the only way to truly be free?
    Thank goodness, the answer to that is no. That's just one method and it's not for everyone and even those who do business in that space participate at different levels. It may be just a portion of their business or it might be all of their business.

    When I browse the web or do some research for my own business I trip across interesting examples of people who have obviously done their own thing. Maybe they had an idea, maybe it was something sparked by something else they found online, I don't know....all I know is they've built something valuable and unique.

    Just a few examples:
    There's a crafting forum that's quite popular and I don't know how it got it's start but it was started by one woman and has since morphed into having online classes, it's own online shop, a members' shop, a newsletter and contests all related to the craft.

    Check out a site called dcrainmaker. Look at his earliest posts and you'll see that what his site is today is very different from where he started. He's built something pretty unique around his own hobby.

    There's a site called UniverseToday and the owner has at times posted here in WF. He's been working on that site for years. It's quite impressive.

    What really stands out for me when I see sites like these is that they didn't happen overnight. Someone took their idea and they just kept pushing that idea forward no matter what obstacles they ran into. I recall the UniverseToday site getting hit hard by one of the Google algo changes and yet he's bounced back.

    You mentioned you had some great ideas and it sounds like you have a good deal of business experience. You need to truly flush out your ideas - map them out, do some research on their viability, choose one you can commit to for the long haul and start pushing it forward.

    I know what you're saying is you really want someone you can bounce those ideas off of and there are lots of options including contacting people here who look like they might be able to help, maybe your local SCORE chapter, or people who have done something similar to what you have in mind and are willing to answer questions you might have.
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    Originally Posted by manmeetsfire View Post

    Hey gang.

    I have been trying IM for about a year now since deciding I don't want to be location dependent and more importantly not have a boss anymore. I got the opportunity to travel the world from 19 years old and work and live in some great countries like Tokyo and the U.K.. I also raised my income to almost 200K a year at this time. I got to live the life I wanted, travel, vacations, and all that comes with it. I also had a bosses to answer too and came to not enjoy my job anymore. I wanted a as I call it "free to roam" lifestyle. Work from the Maldives, Scotland, or anywhere lifestyle. I moved back to the United states and invested in a promising start-up. After a year in a half I realized I was working 15 hours a day to make someone else rich. I was an employee with only a promise of future ownership. I went from making 180K a year to 30K. My wife and I lost our house in the U.K. and had a daughter. We struggle living in Dallas making around 60K between us. Since starting IM I'm at a loss profit wise. I bought into the programs, E-books, coaches, and promises. I know I am a work horse. I know Im intelligent and have a mindset to conquer any goal I have. I know my wife is incredibly talented and intelligent as well but we are at wits end. Is the whole goal of IM to sell products about how to do IM. Is that the only way to truly be free? The last program we used I literally found everything in the program within 30 minutes online. I even packaged it into a nice little "course" myself and sent it to my "coach". This is a highly respected course in this forum and in podcast as well. Of course I was refused a refund and was actually told I should sell my course and they would show me how!!! No! I don't know what I'm doing, people shouldn't buy something I sell.

    The thing is I do have great Ideas in great niches that I now would work. Maybe not millionair idea, but maybe. I just need to know how to make them happen. People keep saying having drive is the hard part that can't be taught. I learned drive by living poor and working myself to make 6 figures in my early 20s only years after driving a car with literally holes in the door and paying with change for gas to barely make it home.

    This may just be a vent but I'm hoping there are actually people on this site that aren't just trying to sell me a program or course. Someone that can just talk to me and hear my ideas and maybe set me in a direction. Someone successful or not.

    Also, I have wanted to connect with people like me. The lost souls of IM. I wanted to do a podcast that was one huge case study with an audience that could grow with me and a co-host from nothing to hopefully a great lifestyle we all dream of but haven't found the right person to be involved with me.

    Thanks to anyone that read this. It wasn't helpful, or useful to the internet or anyone really but it was nice to vent. lol

    MMF
    I sincerely hope this does not sound simplistic if I say: find an offer that converts on cold traffic, and then either drive traffic to it or stand where traffic exists. Saw this in EarlytoRise blog, and it really stuck in my mind.

    Hope it helps, and wishing much luck.
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