List building, or CPA or SEO??I need guidence

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Ok guys here is what I have spent so far
20$ 2 domains, one was for just SEO and ad sense(movingcompaniesindubai(.)com) and one for CPA and SEO (mybestandroidgames(.)com)
22$ hosting
19$ 1 month subscription in WA(Wealthy Affiliates)
50$ In facebook ads (testing)
15$ subscription in get response(That I feel like a waste of time because I didn't get a single opt in)

profits none

I know I should not be all over the place but you have to understand that is hard to resist, and as I learn I see that I did mistakes before so instead of fixing them I just abandon and work on something else (usually I try for a month or so).
I did about 2 months of research on making money online before I actually purchase anything, and spent 3 months trying to make the things I bought work, I am still welling to work on it some more but I need some help

I was able to get 2100+ likes on Facebook fan page for android games (half of them paid by ads in 3rd world countries and half is not targeted likes from like4likeI know it was a waste of time now but still gave the page some appeal

I was able to get in tapgerine and iconpeak (cpa networks) but most of the clicks I get don't turn into conversation although I know for sure that people did the offer as they gave me feedback about it so I am afraid that they are shaddy networks that I am wasting my time on.

Sorry to have took a while from your time, but all help is highly appreciated
#building #cpa #guidence #lis building #list #seo #seoi
  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by lonerwold1 View Post

    List building, or CPA or SEO??
    These things are not directly comparable/alternatives with/to each other.

    SEO is a (generally pretty poor) traffic-generation method.

    CPA is a business model.

    Listbuilding is a monetization and business-asset-building method.

    Online businesses can involve none, one, two or (at a pinch) all three of the above. No criticism implied, but it isn't meaningful to discuss them as "alternatives". It's a "category error".

    In my opinion, it's helpful to start off, online, by deciding on a business model first, before deciding what traffic-generation techniques etc., to use for it. (It's also legitimate to take those options into account in selecting the business model, though: for example someone who particularly wants to avoid listbuilding would be very badly advised indeed to adopt "affiliate marketing" as their intended business model).

    Originally Posted by lonerwold1 View Post

    I know I should not be all over the place
    Well, don't feel bad about it! Most of us have "been there", in some sense, when we started. Nobody was born knowing how to do this stuff.

    When I started, I made just about every mistake you can make, and then some! (I was still earning a living, 6 months later, with a bit of luck, some skills and a following wind.)

    I can't say too much more than that, because I know nothing about your chosen niches (and they don't appeal to me) ... but I think that "choosing a business model first, and sticking to it" may be helpful, here?

    Anyway, you haven't spent a lot of money (compared with many people) and there's clearly been - at the very least - some educational value in what you've spent it on?

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    • Profile picture of the author lonerwold1
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      SEO is a (generally pretty poor) traffic-generation method.

      CPA is a business model.

      Listbuilding is a monetization and business-asset-building method.
      So you mean to say that I can go with CPA as a business model and utilize list building and SEO as a business-asset-building methods.
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      Anyway, you haven't spent a lot of money (compared with many people) and there's clearly been - at the very least - some educational value in what you've spent it on?
      That is exactly what I am afraid of, losing a lot of money, because of the currency difference that for me is a lot of money, and I don't have much of it, I have about 6 weeks to start earning money online otherwise my family will not bare me anymore,
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by lonerwold1 View Post

        So you mean to say that I can go with CPA as a business model and utilize list building and SEO as a business-asset-building methods.
        You could, at least in theory.

        I probably wouldn't want to use search-engine traffic for that, myself, but I don't actually do any CPA at all, so that's easy for me to say, isn't it?

        And my understanding that most people who do just CPA aren't actually building lists (I don't even promise to be right about that!).

        Originally Posted by lonerwold1 View Post

        That is exactly what I am afraid of, losing a lot of money
        Well, I have to say that paying for traffic and not trying to retain any of it through an opt-in seems to me to be an extraordinary combination. That's definitely not something I'd want to try, myself. It's like trying to run the bath by opening the taps at full volume without putting the plug in the hole first: you're going to lose almost everything you're buying, that way, surely? It's not immediately apparent how that's going to become profitable in the near future?

        Here's the thing: you're trying to learn (albeit by experience and experiment) a lot of different things all at the same time. PPC traffic is a real learning-curve of its own, and so are all the other things you're doing, really.

        One of the main difficulties with "setting up an IM business" is that when you try lots of different things, and no income results, you don't know what you're doing wrong/badly/inappropriately, and therefore you don't know what to change. It's a very difficult, hit-and-miss situation.

        Originally Posted by lonerwold1 View Post

        I have about 6 weeks to start earning money online otherwise my family will not bare me anymore,
        Eew, that's a very difficult situation. Apologies for the disparaging tone, but that's no way to try to start off, online. Very few people "making nothing now" are suddenly making anything significant within another 6 weeks. It can happen, of course: when I started I earned nothing much for 4 months but was then actually making a living 2 months later, and continued to (though I didn't know at the time that I'd continue to!) but I had real skills and a proven business model, and kind of knew what I was doing (by that stage).

        I must say: I think it may be "very adventurous indeed" to be spending money on traffic before you know that you're going to earn anything, and before you've really even chosen a business model.

        It's very difficult indeed to advise anyone without knowing their circumstances in detail, which isn't really possible in a forum, but it's beginning to sound as if getting a job might be the best plan, here, and learning all this stuff more gradually in your spare time, rather than depending on it all working out well within the next few weeks? I suspect that may be asking quite a lot, really ...

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  • Profile picture of the author lonerwold1
    I already have a day time job, and I research a lot before I spend my money on anything, but I wanted to be sure that there is something that I am doing horribly wrong
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  • Profile picture of the author rihan123
    I would recommend doing CPA and list building.
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    • Profile picture of the author lonerwold1
      Originally Posted by rihan123 View Post

      I would recommend doing CPA and list building.
      I am actually trying CPA as we speak here, but as I said I tried to combine it with list building and just didn't work
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by lonerwold1 View Post

        I am actually trying CPA as we speak here, but as I said I tried to combine it with list building and just didn't work
        No, indeed ... I'm not a CPA marketer, but it's not easy to imagine why it would/should.

        My impression is that CPA is one of the business models suitable for people who want to avoid listbuilding.

        I suspect that the great majority of marketers deriving income from CPA marketing who are also listbuilders, are doing their listbuilding primarily for non-CPA purposes (e.g. they're doing affiliate marketing as well, they have their own products to promote as well, or whatever). Listbuilding professionally and successfully is such a huge subject, and such a big learning curve in itself, that (for myself) I'd be wanting a bigger and better monetization-method than a typical CPA one, at the other end of it.

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  • Profile picture of the author masterjani
    facebook targeting is always a hit or miss, Most of the time, you will get some likes here and there that will mostly not convert to list building. If you want to build a solid list, look for solo ad marketing. That will help you in affiliate marketing as well.
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    • Profile picture of the author internetmarketer1
      Originally Posted by masterjani View Post

      facebook targeting is always a hit or miss, Most of the time, you will get some likes here and there that will mostly not convert to list building. If you want to build a solid list, look for solo ad marketing. That will help you in affiliate marketing as well.
      If I had to choose one between solo ads and Facebook to build a list, I would choose the earlier.

      Why?

      Because marketing is so much easier on getting even more targeted traffic. Go with solo ads
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  • Profile picture of the author Samyum
    Like it was rightly pointed above you are comparing the uncomparable. Will advise you stick with cpa and use fb ads to drive traffic to it, but note you also need to know how to target your ads to your cpa link so you will not end up wasting your money again.

    As for the list building, also said above...it should be used for affiliate marketing and not cpa because list building is more about your relationship with people than just sending bunch of links to them

    Hope you get something out of all this gibberish i types...ciao
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  • Profile picture of the author lonerwold1
    OK guys, thanks for the help, I am trying to avoid list building for a lot of reasons, mainly because I see it as harder to maintain and costly for someone just starting out and I don't know how to build squeeze pages and set a newsletter,

    Regarding Facebook ads I am trying it now, as you said some had great results (mainly when I targeted broad 3rd world countries like India and Philippines ) and some wasted money mainly when I target English speaking countries like US UK and Canada

    Had a Philippines ad it got almost 500 engagement 100 link clicks and 4 conversions and about 50 likes, the conversions didn't cover the costs but it was nice feeling finally making some
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  • Profile picture of the author devcode
    If you are a starter internet marketer and not have more moneys to invest in traffic,why you not try free traffic sources?Are a lot of posts here on forum about free traffic sources and ways to get more conversions from free traffic.
    I not started yet an IM business but have worked more time on seo and traffic increasing and i assure you the free traffic will work good if you have time to invest.
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  • Profile picture of the author lonerwold1
    I agree, but as you said it needs time, That is the part that I don't like
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