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My normal model is this:

ppc > squeeze page > email content with "recommended resources" via autoresponder. The resource links redirect to my affiliate links. I do well with some review sites as well, but my business is really built around squeeze pages and list building.

Even though I manage to get adwords to like my squeeze pages (QS is often a 9/10), they do eventually get slapped.

So after one of my primary sites getting google slapped a couple weeks ago, I decided to take all of my content from my autoresponder and build a content site with it (and still use ppc for my traffic).

I'm using the exact same content, but instead of emailing it to them over a month or so, I am using it for content on my website.

BTW - I used articles for my AR, so it was a pretty straight forward process to just copy/paste to my bolg.

My results:

1) I went from a 30% opt-in rate, to 10%.

2) My hops are a lot higher (since the links are also on my site now, not just my AR).

3) My sales went from 3-4 per DAY, to around 2 per WEEK.

While I fully expected my opt-in rate to drop, I wasn't expecting the sales to drop like this. Needless to say, I am going back to squeeze pages.

A lot of people here build content sites. It may be worth testing this out: take your content and use it in an autoresponder, and drive your traffic to a squeeze page.
#experiment
  • Profile picture of the author CaptivateIntl
    Hey thanks for the post, this was an interesting read, hope this continues to work out for you.
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    • Profile picture of the author jasonl70
      Originally Posted by CaptivateIntl View Post

      Hey thanks for the post, this was an interesting read, hope this continues to work out for you.
      lol.. it didn't work out for me - that's the whole point.

      Anyone else detect a WSO coming out soon from this person??
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      • Profile picture of the author Lisa Gergets
        Kind of sounds like the spam comments I get...lol
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      • Profile picture of the author The Pension Guy
        Originally Posted by jasonl70 View Post

        Anyone else detect a WSO coming out soon from this person??
        A first post with the notorious "interesting read" in it should always be a warning sign!

        Even if the OP is, actually, a good read - mainly because it's not another vaguely presented theory (I am getting sick of them lately) but a precise description of a real life test. Of course, I am aware that even test results could greatly vary from niche to niche, nevertheless it's good food for thought for cases when you prepare to test your site and your methods.
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    • Profile picture of the author Scott Ames
      Originally Posted by CaptivateIntl View Post

      Hey thanks for the post, this was an interesting read, hope this continues to work out for you.


      Hey thanks for the post, this was an interesting read, hope this continues to work out for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kris Turner
    Thanks for letting us know your results. Surprising how much your sales dropped off! No matter what models or technology comes along, it seems that email remains king...

    A quick question, if you don't mind: When you send out your AR sequence, are you selling in them, or just giving good free info and then offering a link?
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    • Profile picture of the author jasonl70
      Originally Posted by Alex Taylor View Post

      Thanks for letting us know your results. Surprising how much your sales dropped off! No matter what models or technology comes along, it seems that email remains king...

      A quick question, if you don't mind: When you send out your AR sequence, are you selling in them, or just giving good free info and then offering a link?
      I've tested both, and have settled on sending out content heavy emails giving it more of an actual newsletter feel, with a link to a related product at the bottom. BUT - this makes less money then the heavy sales pitches did. I use single opt-in, and decided it was best to go with the softer approach to reduce complaints.
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  • Profile picture of the author ppc4profit
    Jason,

    This was an interesting read :-} ... thanks for sharing the results.

    I can speculate that the fall in sales was perhaps due to the change in how your affiliate links were put before the reader: -
    - baseline model = bite sized chunks over a period in time
    - content site model = all at once if the visitor can be enticed to read all the pages

    .. but I am wondering why your opt in rate fell so much.

    Did you change your opt-in message so that there was a reduced benefit to signing up? I'm interested to know what message you used to entice people to input their email address.

    I also think that there is a way to combine both methods so you avoid a slap but keep your initial business model.
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    • Profile picture of the author jasonl70
      Originally Posted by ppc4profit View Post

      Jason,

      This was an interesting read :-} ... thanks for sharing the results.

      I can speculate that the fall in sales was perhaps due to the change in how your affiliate links were put before the reader: -
      - baseline model = bite sized chunks over a period in time
      - content site model = all at once if the visitor can be enticed to read all the pages

      .. but I am wondering why your opt in rate fell so much.

      Did you change your opt-in message so that there was a reduced benefit to signing up? I'm interested to know what message you used to entice people to input their email address.

      I also think that there is a way to combine both methods so you avoid a slap but keep your initial business model.
      My theory - contet via email helps build up a relationship, as well as letting you stay in front of your prospect over time.

      regarding the opt-in rates: I don't really ever hear of content sites getting opt-in rates even close to what a simple squeeze page normaly gets. I can probably increase my rate by going with a lightbox style 'pop up', which I am going to test.

      Another variable that has changed is the content I use in my AR, since I put all of my original content on my blog. However, it was nothing really special - most of it just pulled out of PLR ebooks/artilces.
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    • Profile picture of the author jasonl70
      Originally Posted by ppc4profit View Post

      I also think that there is a way to combine both methods so you avoid a slap but keep your initial business model.
      that's what I was hoping to accomplish. I'll work at it a bit more, but I'm pretty darned close to just putting up the squeeze and dealing with the slap 9 months from now..
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    • Profile picture of the author ppc4profit
      Originally Posted by ppc4profit View Post

      Jason,

      I also think that there is a way to combine both methods so you avoid a slap but keep your initial business model.
      The first and last links in my signature adopt this approach, same as the approach touched upon by Jason Keith.

      Whilst the pages in the links they appear to be stand alone sales pages they do link to a Wordpress site on the root of the domain and this is full of content that has been quickly added (.. today actually, I will add more meaningful content later)

      This approach seems to keep Google happy whilst the visitors rarely see the links in the footer.

      Couldn't you try this and hit the 30% opt in rates?
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  • Profile picture of the author SaSeoPete
    That's very interesting. I usually just try to build up my content sites and drive traffic like that.

    Do you use content network or search for your PPC?
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Keith
    What about running your landing pages with WP? Setup a page as a squeeze page, with a few links to your content at the bottom for the Adwords bot to spider. You could still have all your newsletter content there, but somewhat hidden from the average visitor.

    Adwords would see a full content site, with just the squeeze on the homepage. You are giving visitors an option. It's up to you how easy you make it to find the other options.

    From my experience, Google just doesn't like isolated squeeze pages with no options for the user. Give them an option besides opting in and your QS will go up.
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    • Profile picture of the author jasonl70
      Originally Posted by Jason Keith View Post

      What about running your landing pages with WP? Setup a page as a squeeze page, with a few links to your content at the bottom for the Adwords bot to spider. You could still have all your newsletter content there, but somewhat hidden from the average visitor.

      Adwords would see a full content site, with just the squeeze on the homepage. You are giving visitors an option. It's up to you how easy you make it to find the other options.

      From my experience, Google just doesn't like isolated squeeze pages with no options for the user. Give them an option besides opting in and your QS will go up.
      this is actually what I was doing, which greatly increased the lifespan of my squeeze pages.. I was linking "spider food" content from my TOS page, keeping it pretty hidden from visitors. It was great for my QS - but eventually someone at google must have looked at my site and seen through it I guess I made it TO buried! I'll keep looking for a happy medium - at least for a bit longer.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Brian
    Thanks for posting your results. Do you exclusively use "recommended resources" in all your AR sales? or do you also email direct offers?
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  • Profile picture of the author Saul'
    I'm not surprised with the sales drop at all. It's all down to customer relationship. Even when a content site does well alone, you can take it to a whole new level with email marketing almost always. In fact, I don't even consider a content site a business if it's all there is - it's a great way to get exposure but that's just it. If all you do with your site is try to make money by sending your visitors away from you, there's something wrong with that business model in my book.
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    • Profile picture of the author jasonl70
      Originally Posted by ppc4profit View Post

      The first and last links in my signature adopt this approach, same as the approach touched upon by Jason Keith.

      Whilst the pages in the links they appear to be stand alone sales pages they do link to a Wordpress site on the root of the domain and this is full of content that has been quickly added (.. today actually, I will add more meaningful content later)

      This approach seems to keep Google happy whilst the visitors rarely see the links in the footer.

      Couldn't you try this and hit the 30% opt in rates?
      That's pretty much how I was doing it before.. maybe it would have survived if I kept the link to my content 1 click away from the squeeze instead of burying it at the footer of TOS page.

      Originally Posted by Mark Brian View Post

      Thanks for posting your results. Do you exclusively use "recommended resources" in all your AR sales? or do you also email direct offers?
      I also do the occasional 'blast' of the typical offer. I have about 20 messages in my AR, and I think 2 of them are also the typical sales pitch.

      Originally Posted by Saul' View Post

      I'm not surprised with the sales drop at all. It's all down to customer relationship. Even when a content site does well alone, you can take it to a whole new level with email marketing almost always. In fact, I don't even consider a content site a business if it's all there is - it's a great way to get exposure but that's just it. If all you do with your site is try to make money by sending your visitors away from you, there's something wrong with that business model in my book.
      While I agree, I didn't expect the difference to be THIS large. I've built info portals in the past, before I became 'immersed' in IM, so I should have remembered how little money I was able to make from them.

      I decided to give the content site a try after studying Russel Brunson's site. He's taken a very different approach compared to most other "guru's". He offers a lot of content under the fold, and I modeled my overall approach similar to his.

      BTW - every sale from the new site has still been from my AR.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Ellis
    Great post Jason.

    I'm curious, what AR software are you using for single opt-in?

    What is your reasoning for the single opt-in (obviously more opt-ins), but it seems like it'd bring a whole lot more headaches (complaints). Did you ever try using a double opt-in?
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    • Profile picture of the author jasonl70
      Originally Posted by Michael Ellis View Post

      Great post Jason.

      I'm curious, what AR software are you using for single opt-in?

      What is your reasoning for the single opt-in (obviously more opt-ins), but it seems like it'd bring a whole lot more headaches (complaints). Did you ever try using a double opt-in?
      I use aweber. I initialy was doing double opt-in but I switched. I simply didn't want to add another variable/hurdle to the mix (getting people to confirm). It's been a year and I haven't had any problems yet.. my complaint rate seems to hover around .2% or so for my broadcasts (which are much more 'salesy' than the messages in my AR sequence ), but aweber hasn't seemed to take issue with it. The larger my lists get, the more it worries me though...
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Bard
    Great post Jason,

    This is the kind of stuff that we need more of around here.

    I think a lot of people forget, or didn't know to begin with, that business is a numbers game.

    Some giants of industry have crumbled because of a "measly" 2% change in their numbers.
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    • Profile picture of the author jasonl70
      Originally Posted by Matthew Maiden View Post

      Great post Jason,

      This is the kind of stuff that we need more of around here.

      I think a lot of people forget, or didn't know to begin with, that business is a numbers game.

      Some giants of industry have crumbled because of a "measly" 2% change in their numbers.
      In my case it's the difference between approx $80 a day profit, and $30 a day loss.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shane Hale
    For your PPC landing pages are you getting slapped with do they have privacy policy,about us,contact us pages and some keyword related content? If so are they still getting slapped? Interesting read for sure!
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    • Profile picture of the author jasonl70
      Originally Posted by Shane Hale View Post

      For your PPC landing pages are you getting slapped with do they have privacy policy,about us,contact us pages and some keyword related content? If so are they still getting slapped? Interesting read for sure!
      privacy policy: yes
      about us: no
      contact us: yes
      some keyword related content: some, but not a lot. The heavy content was linked off the T.O.S page.

      This particular site kicked butt for 11 months.
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