Clickbank is it still relevant to sniper sites ?

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Ive gotten into Clickbank the past month or so and I have made several sales consistently but I want to kick it up a notch. I want to build websites and sniper them but is that still relevant? Is ranking for review keywords and other similar keywords in that niche relevent,
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Moneymaker360 View Post

    I want to build websites and sniper them but is that still relevant?
    No ... ClickBank affiliate marketing and search-engine traffic is generally a very poor mixture indeed. That's one of the traffic-generation methods to avoid.

    These two threads will both help you, I think ...

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post8659398

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post7110523


    Originally Posted by Moneymaker360 View Post

    Is ranking for review keywords and other similar keywords in that niche relevent,
    Don't even think about it (is my advice)!

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  • Profile picture of the author master reseller
    There's no easy way around real promotion of a Clickbank based affiliate site. You can't just grab some popular keywords and stick them into an ezine article and link directly to the product. The day of bum marketing are over, if only because these article directories don't allow direct links to affiliate sites anymore.
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    • Profile picture of the author Gh0zt
      Originally Posted by master reseller View Post

      There's no easy way around real promotion of a Clickbank based affiliate site. You can't just grab some popular keywords and stick them into an ezine article and link directly to the product. The day of bum marketing are over, if only because these article directories don't allow direct links to affiliate sites anymore.
      Bum marketing isn't over - it is a concept/idea which in itself can't really die - it is about marketing using methods which are cost free, meaning no need to spend a penny. (Time must be spent obviously).

      As far as article directories not allowing direct links - they haven't for quite some time and bum marketing survived that era - what changed was the article directories themselves became useless - because nobody uses them anymore!

      Article marketing isn't dead - but it evolved. Things are different in article marketing than they were 5 years ago - there are still some super-profitable ways of making money article marketing though - but that is for another time and place.

      Bum marketing isn't dead either - forum marketing, social media marketing, blogging (on a free platform), even Q&A marketing are all examples of bum marketing - bum marketing meaning: not spending money.

      The funny thing is: bum marketing is one of the best strategies out there; IF you spend money (which makes it NOT bum marketing, but super-effective marketing). I.E: Pay for hosting and a domain instead of using a free one, pay for high-quality graphics from a marketing specialist rather than make your own in a Free GNU Image Manipulation software, Pay an apprentice or assistant to run your FB and Twitter marketing campeigns (simply uploading choice or pre-prepared content on time - and answering questions in a way you have trained them), pay workers to deliver your offline marketing efforts to your whole city... etc.

      Just sayin' yano

      Peace,
      Gh0zt
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  • Profile picture of the author Jan Brzeski
    First of all, I would suggest doing CPA marketing instead of ClickBank.

    Even better if you can join a private CPA network like CashNetwork. Exclusive offers and epic customer support.

    These networks also closely monitor their products to keep refund rates super low.

    I used to do some selling over at ClickBank but I am now at CashNetwork and not looking back.

    Plus with CPA you have some cool options like getting paid $60 for a $49 sale etc.

    Reg. traffic generation, Alexa already covered that.

    Cheers,

    Jan
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  • Profile picture of the author petkanov
    I was just reading a clickbank journey on bhw where someone is just ranking review keywords, and said he makes a sale every 40 hops. He uses exit popups and said 8 out of 10 sales come from the exit pop ups
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by petkanov View Post

      I was just reading a clickbank journey on bhw where someone is just ranking review keywords, and said he makes a sale every 40 hops. He uses exit popups and said 8 out of 10 sales come from the exit pop ups
      LOL ... a decade ago, possibly.

      There are quite a few people still promoting "information" like that, on monetized blogs, and so on. Call me a skepchick, but it seems to me that as they can't earn anything worth talking about from actually doing it, selling the "information" is their only realistic hope of monetizing it. (You can still buy WSO's advising this, as well! There are loads of them. Curiously, some of them use identical wording and expressions, and occasionally even whole paragraphs of the same text! I think that shows fairly clearly how reliable and tested their "information" is ... ).

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      • Profile picture of the author Gh0zt
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        LOL ... a decade ago, possibly.

        There are quite a few people still promoting "information" like that, on monetized blogs, and so on. Call me a skepchick, but it seems to me that as they can't earn anything worth talking about from actually doing it, selling the "information" is their only realistic hope of monetizing it. (You can still buy WSO's advising this, as well! There are loads of them. Curiously, some of them use identical wording and expressions, and occasionally even whole paragraphs of the same text! I think that shows fairly clearly how reliable and tested their "information" is ... ).

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        You're spot on - which is a shame because it means there is a bunch of people out there who simply rehash old information for profit - which I wouldn't have a problem with except: that information is out-dated and no longer working or relevent.

        SOME of the old books do contain valuable wisdom which applies to all business of all ages though - some of the old books are far superior in quality and information than the newer ones.

        A little advice to Warrior's who want to be successful in this "internet marketing game" - 'Don't pass on any information to the next guy until you verify it for yourself first' - and in fact: use this rule to be successful in life, not just business. (Otherwise you are just another playground gossip, living in a dream world of hearsay and conjecture - how will you ever find the will to act on uncertaintys?)

        Peace,
        Gh0zt
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    • Profile picture of the author M3C
      Originally Posted by petkanov View Post

      I was just reading a clickbank journey on bhw where someone is just ranking review keywords, and said he makes a sale every 40 hops. He uses exit popups and said 8 out of 10 sales come from the exit pop ups
      I don't doubt the vast majority of his sales come from the exit pops, ours always did on the review sites, especially as our exit pops gave the customer the low barrier to entry $5 offer to "test" the product with the rest paid in 28 days.

      But what he's not telling you is how much traffic he's actually getting to the review sites from organic SEO as a visitor number.

      Not much is my guess unless he's playing with doorway pages and constantly mucking about with all manner of crap to con Google.

      His conversions are totally believable, but overall I'll bet he's making bugger all sales overall from trying to rank "product name+review" any more.
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      • Profile picture of the author petkanov
        Originally Posted by M3C View Post

        I doubt doubt the vast majority of his sales come from the exit pops, ours always did on the review sites, especially as our exit pops gave the customer the low barrier to entry $5 offer to "test" the product with the rest paid in 28 days.

        But what he's not telling you is how much traffic he's actually getting to the review sites from organic SEO as a visitor number.

        Not much is my guess unless he's playing with doorway pages and constantly mucking about with all manner of crap to con Google.

        His conversions are totally believable, but overall I'll bet he's making bugger all sales overall from trying to rank "product name+review" any more.
        He said he gets around 200-250 uniques from the website. Website has around 20 reviews of Clickbank products with gravity less than 20
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        • Profile picture of the author M3C
          Originally Posted by petkanov View Post

          He said he gets around 200-250 uniques from the website. Website has around 20 reviews of Clickbank products with gravity less than 20
          If those are 250 daily uniques in buyer mode, having come from "product name+review",. it's just about "ok" but it's tiny numbers, none the less.

          Math.

          250 uniques to the site.
          What % of those uniques enter the relevant internal review page.?
          What % of those click on the CB hop/redirect?

          My bet is, he's doing a couple of sales a day perhaps.
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          • Profile picture of the author petkanov
            Originally Posted by M3C View Post

            If those are 250 daily uniques in buyer mode, having come from "product name+review",. it's just about "ok" but it's tiny numbers, none the less.

            Math.

            250 uniques to the site.
            What % of those uniques enter the relevant internal review page.?
            What % of those click on the CB hop/redirect?

            My bet is, he's doing a couple of sales a day perhaps.
            Yep you are right he said he is aiming for $2000 per month but have some days with over $150. Nothing major, but still very good for a newbie if his claims are true
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            • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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              Originally Posted by M3C View Post

              overall I'll bet he's making bugger all sales overall from trying to rank "product name+review" any more.
              I'm with you there, completely.

              (Call me jaundiced, or jaded, or any other words you can think of beginning with "j", but I don't really believe his conversions, either. I know that's easily possible, of course, but in this instance I don't believe it anyway).

              Originally Posted by petkanov View Post

              Nothing major, but still very good for a newbie if his claims are true
              I don't mind sticking my skepchick neck over the parapets and mentioning that I don't believe a word of this. Sorry.

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              • Profile picture of the author M3C
                Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                I'm with you there, completely.

                (Call me jaundiced, or jaded, or any other words you can think of beginning with "j", but I don't really believe his conversions, either. I know that's easily possible, of course, but in this instance I don't believe it anyway).



                I don't mind sticking my skepchick neck over the parapets and mentioning that I don't believe a word of this. Sorry.

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                As a newbie to get everything right in the chain, especially the copy and format needed to get that kind of conversions is tricky. I probably blew $125k over 5 months, just split testing copy to get our review sites to convert to that degree.

                I will say, his comments about most of his sales coming from exit pops , does indeed ring true, we did at least 65% of all our sales from the $5 trial exit pop offers and our conversions were about 2 sales per 100 uniques.

                It's doable, but we really did have all guns blazing back in the day on this model. Over a dozen sites, beautifully crafted, expensive copy, every conceivable trick in the book utilized , customized landers working with the CB owners which had our branding on to continue congruency through the chain, - the lot.

                Almost all our traffic came from 'product name' or 'product name review' or product name scam' , 'product name discount', 'product name buy' etc, really targeted people fully in buying mode , and even then we only just managed the conversions he's talking about.

                I don't know the guy from Adam, perhaps it's BS, but it is doable..
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  • Profile picture of the author ilee
    Sniper sites... Now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time. Actually made my first paycheck using the sniper site affiliate combo... the only problem is this was about 4-5 years ago and it's a totally different ball game now, it simply doesn't work any more.
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  • Profile picture of the author petkanov
    But the guy there is not selling anything, he is not offering coaching. Why would he make those claims up?
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    • Profile picture of the author ilee
      Originally Posted by petkanov View Post

      But the guy there is not selling anything, he is not offering coaching. Why would he make those claims up?
      Anyone who posts anything on the internet in this industry has an ulterior motive. Is there an affiliate link? Maybe it's a sponsored post? Maybe he's posting it as controversial content to get people talking? Maybe he's getting his readers warmed up for the next post he's going to make? Maybe I'm wrong and he's not making it up, he's simply letting the world know how he makes money so that they can compete with him (although this is highly unlikely).
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  • Profile picture of the author SEO Power
    You can still build such sites and make money, but sniper sites are a thing of the past for most experienced affiliate marketers. Many are moving towards authority sites and they aren't going back. Why? Because the authority site model is more rewarding and the profits last longer (Google updates don't affect authority sites as much as they do sniper sites).
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  • Profile picture of the author NoGuruNeeded
    Yes "sniper sites" do still work. In fact I'm still making $1000+ per month from "product name" + "buy" or "review" or "scam" type websites. Not exactly setting the world on fire with those earnings, but these sites pay for my paid advertising on other more lucrative campaigns.

    One thing to remember here though! The "IM" or "make money" niche isn't the only sector this can be applied to, and quite often isn't the most profitable.

    EDIT: Don't build one website per product, build an authority website in your chosen niche (based on research) then from there make these review pages on that website/blog.
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    • Profile picture of the author M3C
      Originally Posted by NoGuruNeeded View Post

      Yes "sniper sites" do still work. In fact I'm still making $1000+ per month from "product name" + "buy" or "review" or "scam" type websites. Not exactly setting the world on fire with those earnings, but these sites pay for my paid advertising on other more lucrative campaigns.

      One thing to remember here though! The "IM" or "make money" niche isn't the only sector this can be applied to, and quite often isn't the most profitable.

      EDIT: Don't build one website per product, build an authority website in your chosen niche (based on research) then from there make these review pages on that website/blog.
      You're doing pretty well if you're managing to rank well known products nowadays via traditional SEO.

      That's coming from somebody who was doing over $30k a month at one point in affiliate commisions from the top 6 "weight loss" products on CB.

      Ranking stuff has gotten to the point it's more hassle than it's worth unless you're dealing with a LOT of low traffic long tails - which does admittedly still work reasonably well.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chandler18
    So quick question, as of today, Tuesday August 26th, 2014 should I buy google sniper?
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    • Profile picture of the author cTory
      Originally Posted by Chandler18 View Post

      So quick question, as of today, Tuesday August 26th, 2014 should I buy google sniper?
      It is okay, but I wouldn't buy it anymore. It is outdated and some methods don't work anymore. Since there are better platforms now like Chris Farrell and Wealthy Affiliate. I will give Bring The Fresh a shot, but it is overpriced for me now. Maybe later.
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    • Profile picture of the author Miguelito203
      Originally Posted by Chandler18 View Post

      So quick question, as of today, Tuesday August 26th, 2014 should I buy google sniper?
      I purchased Google Sniper and some similar courses, too (really into blogging). While I do believe that Google Sniper had its place when it first came out, I personally think that there are better courses out there that teach a similar model nowadays (due to the changing landscape of S.E.O. and what not).

      Joey
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  • Profile picture of the author Chandler18
    By the way I've been trying to be successful online off and on for over a year now and still no results. I wanted to get in affiliate marketing and I've been seeing great reviews of google sniper but reading all this beings my hopes down. Can I still make a passive income from the system?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Chandler18 View Post

      Can I still make a passive income from the system?
      In my opinion it's almost infinitely unlikely. It's many years out of date (yes, I know there's a newer version of it, too), and search engine traffic is about the worst you can have for affiliate marketing, anyway: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post8659398

      It would really be stacking the deck against yourself, IMO.

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      • Profile picture of the author Chandler18
        Well I have a 50$ budget as of right now. Should I buy into the IM with Jamie by Jamie Lewis course?
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    • Profile picture of the author Shmiggz
      If you've noticed, anyone who reviews Google Sniper wants you to buy it. This way they can make money off of you through their affiliate link. The system is old and will not work that well in this day and age. It will definitely teach you something about affiliate marketing if you are a noob.
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      • Profile picture of the author Chandler18
        okay. well i need some help then. ive been at this for a little over a year now and still havent had any success. is there anything with clickbank i can get success out of?
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      • Profile picture of the author Chandler18
        and im hearing SEO is something to get into.. what exactly is it and how does it make money..
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by Chandler18 View Post

          and im hearing SEO is something to get into..
          I'm starting to wonder whether all your information is a decade out of date, Chandler.

          Do you ever click on links and read things that people responding to your posts in forums offer you as help? It's just that if you do, there's a link in post #17, just above (and it's also in post #2, at the top) that might help you.

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  • Profile picture of the author Chandler18
    so can someone please tell me.. what is a good program to buy? what should i do to make money online successfully?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Chandler18 View Post

      what should i do to make money online successfully?
      Stop buying things and learn how to sell things.

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    • Profile picture of the author cTory
      Originally Posted by Chandler18 View Post

      so can someone please tell me.. what is a good program to buy? what should i do to make money online successfully?
      Since you are interest in membership programs like Google Sniper 2.0 (which was good 3 years, but outdated today). You can use other membership programs. As of August 26, 2014. I advice you to see these reviews first before you make your final decision.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...hip-worth.html

      http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...ml#post8915494
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  • Profile picture of the author Chandler18
    well the thing is alexa, i dont know where to start.. could i contact you through facebook or anything for some help?
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  • Profile picture of the author Chandler18
    i dont have a lot of money to start anything right now. i wish someone could guide me and help me start to make an income online before i would have to buy something. i just wish i knew a small way to make just a little money. i dont care if its just a dollar.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chandler18
    so im guessing seo is something to get into now? i got my eyes on a product called OMG NHB but the only thing is, is its 5k.. way out of my budget.
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  • Profile picture of the author NoGuruNeeded
    Why would you buy "Google Sniper"?
    I've never read it but i assume it basically equates to making non useful one page review websites, then getting them ranked in Google?

    Don't get wrapped up with the sales angle of the word "sniper" you don't need to buy a course to teach you how to setup Wordpress, make a post about a product and then get that post/page ranked.

    Firstly if you just make a crappy 500 word review saying what the product does, what are you actually providing the reader? They already know what the thing does that's why they're searching "product name + review".

    What they really want to know IS how it performs, how it compares to other similar products, what it did for you;

    Did you use it to add another $500 a month to your income? (providing proof)
    Was it the reason you quit smoking?
    Did you use the techniques to pickup chicks?
    .Etc

    What they're looking for is social proof, so give them that and you'll have a commission OR at the very least a lead in your email list which you can then point to a different product/service.

    I personally know and disagree with anyone who say's organic traffic is terrible for affiliate marketing, if someone is searching for "product name + review" they're not a prospect, they're a BUYER. A buyer who's looking for social proof in order to convince themselves that they're making the right decision. So this means they're targeted, if you can't convert them maybe you need to take a look at your sales copy, not your traffic source.
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    What do all these things have in common with sniper sites? This ain't a trick question.

    Vacuum tubes
    Buggy whips
    Phonograph records
    Dial up modems
    Typewriters
    Floppy discs
    Fax machines
    Pay phones

    Etc., etc., etc...
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  • Profile picture of the author Janice Sperry
    I was going to post something incredible and amazing and life-changing to help the OP!

    However,... the member made his/her first post and never came back to reply or thank anybody.

    I guess Moneymaker found the answer somewhere else.
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    • Profile picture of the author Moneymaker360
      Originally Posted by Janice Sperry View Post

      I was going to post something incredible and amazing and life-changing to help the OP!

      However,... the member made his/her first post and never came back to reply or thank anybody.

      I guess Moneymaker found the answer somewhere else.
      Oh. No. I am just slowly going through the thread. There is a lot of info on it and I'm slowly learning and putting different strategies into action. Feel free to share.
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      • Profile picture of the author M3C
        Originally Posted by Moneymaker360 View Post

        Oh. No. I am just slowly going through the thread. There is a lot of info on it and I'm slowly learning and putting different strategies into action. Feel free to share.
        Listen mate, I strongly suggest you don't invest your time in this model. I can tell you that even hugely experienced marketers, with their own fully fledged SEO teams (we had 4 guys) struggle to make this work nowadays.

        There's nothing wrong however with building a quality site that reviews content and utilizing many of the techniques a well constructed sniper site essentially had within it, but if you think your'e going to drive serious traffic to it via ranking for the best keywords nowadays using link building - forget it. You'll need alternative traffic sources..

        Nowadays, even the owners of the products, can't rank their own dam product name keywords...

        Google is not in love with CB products and if folks are so naive as to think there isn't correlation between the engine driving PPC and organic within Google, I have a bridge to sell you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Moneymaker360
    At this point in time really it's hard to believe anything because I'm sure everybody has there own opinion. I have been looking at this thread and have taken a good look at all angles. A part of ee wants to build a sniper site but another part says to continue doing something else. We'll see.
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