Math behind choosing Paypal, CB, or merchant account for receiving payments... are my numbers right?

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Things have changed since the last time I looked into this so been doing some research...

Sample US$100 initial sale (A) + $10 month recurring payments (B)
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CB = 7.5% + $1 (A intial purchase) and 9.9% (B recurring)
CB fees = $8.5 (A) + $0.99 (B) but get access to affiliates, no chargeback fees, currency fees, refund processing, tax, fraud protection, etc. Payments made in $US.

Paypal (US customer purchases product)= (standard 2.9% + $0.30) +2.5% currency conversion fee to transfer $US into my Canadian bank account.
Paypal fees for US customers = $5.7 (A) + $0.84 (B)

Paypal (Non US customer purchases product) = (3.9% + $0.30) +2.75% currency conversion fee into $US + 2.5% currency conversion fee to transfer $US into my Canadian bank account
Paypal fees for non-US customers = $9.45 (A) + $1.21.5 (B)

+ with Paypal there's tons of other hidden fees i'm not sure about. eg.
The $5 Paypal business service fee i'm wondering about is listed here:
https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/u...cale.x=en_CA#8
8.6 Paypal Business Service Fee = $5
Does anyone know if this is per transaction or when/how this fee is charged?
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From what I'm seeing Paypal only makes sense if you're not using affiliates, all your customers are in the US and you have a US bank account. $5.7 (A) + $0.84 (B) but this can quickly change with chargeback fees or lots of unknown Paypal things like account freezes, etc.

Paypal makes no sense if you have customers outside of the US and a bank account outside of the US. $9.45 (A) + $1.21.5 (B)

Clickbank = great if you want no hassles, everything to work and no hidden fees, customers worldwide and bank account outside of US. Also looks to be the best for recurring fee products also with all their features: $8.5 (A) + $0.99 (B)

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My question is has anyone found any reason to use Paypal? From where I'm sitting it looks like the worst option considering hidden fees and all the extra things offered in CB.

Also has anyone done numbers on authorize.net or other merchant accounts?

Any input would be greatly appreciated!
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by website design View Post

    My question is has anyone found any reason to use Paypal?
    Yes; yes - they have, funnily enough. Enormous numbers of marketers and businesses have, now you mention it. Such enormous numbers that it's extremely widely used, in fact.

    Originally Posted by website design View Post

    From where I'm sitting it looks like the worst option
    Apart from the fact that it's how millions of customers want to pay, you must mean?

    Originally Posted by website design View Post

    Paypal makes no sense if you have customers outside of the US and a bank account outside of the US.
    It's strange how many people seem to think otherwise, isn't it? Do you think perhaps they've all realised that if their customers can't pay by PayPal, then it's going to cost them an untold fortune in lost sales?

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    • Profile picture of the author website design
      main street - thanks for the insights!

      reply to Alexa Smith - Yes millions of people use Paypal. Millions of people also waste money on unnecessary fees with ATM machines and tons of other bank fees. Just because everyone else is doing it doesn't make it a solid business model.

      I've explained in details the fees involved and if you're running millions through such payment processors it makes sense to look at the % fees. Difference of 1-2% could save tens of thousands of dollars.

      CB/authorize and other payment processors also have Paypal buy now options integrated. So really it comes down to the overall costs of the different services.

      Do you have a merchant account setup or compared the options?
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      • Profile picture of the author website design
        Main issue with Paypal is the commissions for currency exchange and recurring commissions (especially for non US transactions).

        Half my customers are outside of US so for example say I have 1000 initial sales @ $100 (A) - with recurring billing on each of those for 24 months @ $10 (B)

        500 Paypal US customers.
        $2850 = (A) $5.7 X 500
        $5040 = (B) $0.84 x 12 x 500

        500 Paypal non US customers
        $4725 = (A) $9.45 X 500
        $7260 = (B) $1.21 x 12 x 500

        $19875 = Total 1000 Paypal customers

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        1000 CB customers
        $8500 = (A) $8.5 x 1000
        $11880 = (B) $0.99 x 12 x 1000

        $20380 = Total 1000 CB customers

        --- fees are similar but if you take into consideration some customers will have recurring billing for years then the difference starts to point towards CB. Especially if you take into consideration Paypal chargebacks/refund fees, etc.

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        Does anyone have any idea how to get around the currency exchange fees (only way I can see is opening a bank account in the US, something I don't want to do)?

        Or how to get lower fees with Paypal regarding recurring billing?

        If I could sort out these things it might make sense to go for Paypal because the advertised 2.2-2.9% fees sound attractive but I can't figure out how to get them that low with all their hidden costs.
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  • Profile picture of the author MainStreet
    One point that should be made about Paypal is that while fees start at $0.30 + 2.9% per transaction, it's possible to get that down to 0.30% + 2.5% or even $0.30 + 2.2% if you have sufficient monthly volume.

    <<Also has anyone done numbers on authorize.net or other merchant accounts? >>

    One point that should be made about Authorize.net is that they are primarily a *gateway company*. They're a great gateway. However, if you get your merchant account through Authorize.net, you might end up paying more that way.

    The numbers on merchant accounts can be all over the map. I have seen processor statements in the past where *big* merchants were paying an effective rate that was in the 3.5% - 4% range. It's also possible to pay more like 2% with a merchant account (give or take).

    If you are looking for a merchant account and you want to minimize fees, then you should look for interchange plus pricing from a provider you trust. I have before me a statement for a merchant who processed about $113K in March. Their total processing and gateway fees for the month were $2067 on 372 sales. This works out to an all in cost of $0.20 + 1.74% for this particular e-commerce merchant. Even if they had Paypal's low rate of $0.30 + 2.2%, they would have paid $534 more in processing fees for the month ($2601 in Paypal fees - $2067 actual fees = $534).

    This of course is just one example. Different merchants will pay different average effective rates based on a variety of factors (card types, industry, face-to-face vs card not present, etc.). What I can say with certainty that we have lot of e-commerce merchants who are averaging 1.9% - 2.1%.

    I should note that some merchants actually prefer fixed pricing even if the overall fees are higher. The appeal of fixed rate pricing for some is that one always knows the cost of each transaction up front. However, even in the case of fixed rates, it's sometimes possible to do better than Paypal. For example, if your average sale was $25, then $0.15 + 2.7% fixed would be better for you than a $0.30 + 2.5% rate from Paypal. In these cases, one just has to run the numbers based on the specifics of the business.

    Finally, for many businesses, Paypal vs merchant vs something else doesn't have to be an either/or decision. If your shopping cart supports it, you might want to consider offering multiple payment options. Some people love Paypal. Others dislike it (or mistakenly think you need a Paypal account to pay with a credit card). In the end, there's probably no answer that's right for every situation.
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