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I have been waiting around for a certain product to launch today. I finally got back to a computer to pick up a copy. The only problem is that it has the worst sales page I have EVER seen. I am all for adding video to your sales page. I think it really helps with conversions. But I have never seen a sales page that is only a video. That isn't what is driving me insane. What is driving me insane is that the sales page is just a video that I can't fast forward and there is no BUY NOW button!! Why would you do this? Why would you force your visitors to sit through a 20 (?) minute video before they can buy. I am still listening to this damn thing. I can't find a buy now button. I can't fast forward the video. I am forced to sit and listen to this guy just go on and on and on. All I want to do is buy it!!!!!!!!! Back to listening/watching the video. That is if there is even a buy now button once the video is done. IF the video finishes and I can't get a BUY NOW button I just might lose my mind!!!!!!!! Thanks for letting me vent. p.s. The damn video is still going. |
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I think that is total idiocy for the exact reason you've just mentioned. What I would do is combine both the age-old and honored printed sales letter with newer technologies like video and audio. That way if someone doesn't want to watch the video they can scroll down and digest the entire sales message via web-print. Forcing your customers to digest your sales message how YOU want them to is never a good idea. I imagine that this "Guru's" launch will not be as successful as he would like because of this method of presenting his message. Now, as the video plays, you should honestly ask yourself if you really want to spend your hard earned money with a "Guru" who violates such basic marketing laws. |
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If this is the type of sales pitch the guy/gal is doing, it's worth questioning their product too.
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I was told in one email about this the link appears after 11 minutes. I saw the page, had my speakers muted and though it was an error on the page so closed it.Then I got the email saying about the 11 mins. |
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There is a reason that this guy does it. Have you heard of Keith Wellman? He actually made a case study where he tested both kind of sales pages-old style printed and "only video with no fast forward option" sales letter. The video sales letter generated 11 sales while the printed one did only 1. I believe that he does that, because it is a pattern interrupt for most people and it is influencing the judging ability pretty good. Igor P.S: innovation is always great in internet marketing. Don't discourage it. |
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Sorry to hear that this happened to you. Happened to me before. There was a big launch. And the author promised a killer million dollar salescopy writer for his salespage and that it'd be revealed later. Kept pushing leads into the funnel and even won a prize for the lead contest. Result? The salespage was also a 20+ min video of the author pitching. And it was a product that costed a few hundred bucks. I wouldn't be surprised if it bombed. And I wasted all efforts pushing leads in. Alvin Huang |
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I thought that was the idea of a pre-Launch. Get all the videos, content, case studies and such out there in the open and let everyone digest that. Then when the big day comes just open the flood gates (Or emails) and let the sales roll in. I am not even bashing the idea of a video without the ability to fast forward it. That is fine. At least have the option available for those who don't want to listed to the video to be able to buy. That is all I am talking about. Keep the same exact setup and everything. Just add a BUY NOW button below the video | |
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I think I know exactly the offer your talking about... I wasnt particularly interested in it as the earlier videos explained a lot and the rest of the stuff is probably about driving traffic and how to direct link to paypal or clickbank. But yes I went to the video this morning and thought how silly is that... u can only pause.. and you have no clue how long the video is going to be and there is no place you can just click to buy. I am all for innovation but one of the greatest powers you have in marketing is giving the consumer choice and giving them options... empowering them. In this vid you can only sit and watch... plus and they have been doing pre-launch for a week so people already know if they want it or not.. I felt kinda 'controlled' and didn't particularly like that. In my opinion, give the buyer an option... uno.. a little 'click to buy now' or something. This is assuming we are on the same level.. pretty sure we are.. don't want to mention the product here |
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Wow Cant Fast Foward and buy now? thats worst than going through a Marketing funnel.
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Always, always, always let the cream float to the top, in other words, let people buy when they are ready. Just seems like common sense to me. You go to a site to buy and can't figure it out? That's bad marketing. I've left many websites just because of that.
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I have heard of this technique. Many think it does very well. My thought is that it annoys me to absolutely no end and is so frustrating I can't stand it. Makes you really not want the product, to an extent.
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While I have not run into this situation yet, I can honestly say that if I did, I would be out of there within 1 minute of going there. You get all this hype for a week or two on how great the bloody thing is going to be and then this? I don't think so. I figure he must not want my money if he is not going to give me a buy now button somewhere on the page. After all, I have had 2 weeks of listening to his stupid voice tell me how wonderful this is going to be etc etc and now I want to buy, not listen some more to him. I guess he is just stuck on himself. As for those case studies comparing this to just a printed page, did they also case study the combination of the two? I am willing to bet they didn't. Just my humble opinion here. Nothing more. |
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You might be better off making your own sales page, assuming you can figure what the link url should be to purchase.
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Does anyone know what product this is? I would like to see this video. Thanks |
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Wow, I thought I was the only person annoyed by this technique. It makes no sense!! Give the potential client what they want, when they want. I was tempted to make a purchase but changed my mind when I was forced to wait - I don't get it!
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If you can't find a BUY NOW button then something is really wrong with that product. Tell the program owner about this. They may have made a mistake and forgot to do this. For now, don't even think about promoting it without the BUY NOW button. This is weird. The BUY NOW is critical. How are you going to make money without a button. Tal |
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The ideas of listening to a video for an undetermined amount of time before I could buy was more than I could take. Why? What if I listened to the video for 24 minutes and then there was still no buy now button? Then I would feel like I had to keep listening for an extra minute or 2 just to see if it would show up. (maybe that is what you where going for) But with no buy now button and no way to find out how long the video was and no way to know when the button would show up I decided I had better things to do with my time. Best of luck with the launch | |
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This isn't the first sales page of this type that I've seen, and truthfully, I hate them. I'm not the type to sit around watching videos. If I think I might want to buy something, then I just want to see the sales page, buy it (or not) and go on with my day. |
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a) why testing is important b) why common assumptions can easily be wrong c) why opinions on forums are not representative of the market | |
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Just went to that site and after waiting a minute, the video still didn't start. I don't think I have a slow connection here at work. Anyway, I didn't stick around. I don't think I would choose this approach if I were selling a product.
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I hope a lot of people read Keith's & Roger's comments, and let the message sink in.. I probably spend more on the WF trying to explain these concepts (touched on by Roger) to people then any other topic. Setting up the video/buy buttons this way let's the marketer build some value first, perhaps even some anticipation. I figured this out as soon as I read this post, and the first thing that came to my mind was "interesting - I wonder how it's effected conversions?". |
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I honestly don't have a good enough attention span to sit through a 20 minute video. Now, if it were a video combined with the sales text that would be fine.
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I was under the impression that the whole pre-Launch process was used to build some value first. To get some great content out there to build value and anticipation. I think (and this is only my opinion) that if the pre-launch is done right then when the product is launched there should be an option for people who want to buy right away to be able to. Again, this is only my opinion and I haven't tested it. I also appreciate Keith taking the time to stop in and give us some actual numbers to what type of response he has had based on split testing this method. It is one thing to say "I wonder how this affected conversions" and actual finding out what the actual results are. | ||
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forums. What you like and don't like doesn't matter. It's what works. The whole principle behind this strategy is that one of the weaknesses of an online sale letter is that the reader can scroll all the way to the bottom of the page and see the price BEFORE reading about the value they are getting. Any sales person would tell you that they want to tell about the product BEFORE giving the price. With the video, you now have to listen to the pitch before you see the price and the small test shows that this works. No sales person wants to answer that question up front: "How much?" You want this to be the last thing on the prospects mind until they can see all that they are about to get. -Ray Edwards P.S. If your sales message is not exciting or annoying people then you are not doing your job. | |
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What's interesting to me is how people define video. The present sales page I would describe as a PowerPoint presentation plus audio done with poor technique (Presentation 101 - do not read the text from your slides verbatim, you kill people's attention). If it's converting well I'd love to see if a real, dynamic video would do better. Martin |
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Martin, I often hear that from different people. "That video was awesome," when in fact it was just a slideshow (containing multiple pictures with captions on them) or similar to what you mentioned, a powerpoint presentation. I guess for some people, anything that moves is a video. Anything else is reading. -Marc Quote:
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A video sales page without a sales button or fast forward option sounds like a definite turnoff to me. However, having studied Ted Nicholas’ marketing techniques for many years, I know that the only real way to tell if this method works well is to test. In this case, a video only test, a text only test, and a combination test should reveal the optimum method. |
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Listen to Ray, Ex-Rat, and Jason...they speak truth. It really doesn't matter what you personally like or don't like. What matters is what converts best. If the video without text, without the buy now button, without a fast forward button performs better than a video/page that has all of those features you'd be crazy not to use the one that converts better based on your testing. Personal likes and dislikes aside. Money talks, everything else walks. |
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I had to laugh reading all the negative posts. I mean it works! If you look at the crew who are using it then you know these guys don't play around they test and test. The first one I saw was Mike Filsiame and I love Mike but 20 minutes of him sitting in his office was painful. Now it is old hat. Bottom line what Kevin says is true. It is converting very well and they will continue to use it until it stops. I like the case study someone else was talking about. That different people like different things. You could set it up where if someone clicks the x button to leave it automatically switches to a sales page for those who would rather read good copy. |
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Hi Kevin, Quote:
I would hate to cast any aspersions around ( ), but it's not beyond the realms of my imagination (and experience), particularly when a product is in launch, to see a post like the original post being made purely in order for the seller to drop in and share their attention grabbing statistics.I've seen much cleverer tactics used in here, and I've seen more believable statistics than those presented here. Yes I'm cynical. But if you read the original post again, this time through a slightly different (cynical) lens, then you might get my drift. Quote:
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I abandoned the video and didn't pick up a copy of the product because I didn't know how long I would have to wait for a buy now button. I left the url of the product out just so it didn't look like a promotional post. | |
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So, if someone writes the kind of sales page you like, the product is good? But if they use a different tactic, the product is questionable? That's just not a reasonable deduction. | |
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I guess the main resolution here is to design the site again.I mean if you really want to buy the site and do your own design to make good as you want.
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Hey Warriors, Here's the thing that confuses me the most. The OP stated that he disagreed with the marketing tactic that the seller used in his sales page - he wanted to just buy the product right then and there. ...But isn't that marketing tactic that the OP disagreed with the exact SAME marketing tactic that the seller has in the product? Or have I horribly misunderstood what the whole product is about? All the best, Jesse Kemmerer kemmerer.j@gmail.com |
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Another thing that struck me, which I held back on previously - if you're going to make a long video, that is purely made up of slow-changing slides with words on them, and then try and charge that much for a product, surely it's not too much to ask to make sure that the slides aren't full of glaringly obvious spelling mistakes? Just something I noticed. Hi StayFocused, Perhaps things would be clearer if you could explain exactly why you were SO keen to buy this product? What was it about the presell that hooked you in so that you were waiting for launch? If you don't like the technique used, what was it about the product that had you ready to splash that much cash? Thanks. | ||
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I wonder if a page with a video and headline, bullets and an order button underneath might get a higher response. Or a page with a video and a full sales letter underneath. Or any other number of combinations. Split testing is great but keep in mind you could just be testing one poor idea against another poor idea to see which is the least poor LOL. Kindest regards, Andrew Cavanagh | |
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I think the point he was trying to make was that if it's a marketing product and the marketing of the product doesn't seem to be effective to you then you might be a little cautious about buying the product. But you can get a great sales letter written for an average product or a poor sales letter written for a great product. The quality of the sales letter is not always a great indication of the quality of the product. Kindest regards, Andrew Cavanagh | |
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LOL... Sorry this is happening to you! Solution: 1) Leave your computer on. 2) Go grab a hamburger, fries, and a soda at any restaurant. Eat it there. 3) Come home. 4) Buy the product. Food is always a good solution for things like this...IMHO... Pavon |
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Yes, I do realize that I have exagerated here but I am being facious to prove a point, when you don't know how long the video is then you could be in for a very very very very very long wait. Who is going to pay me for the time I have just wasted listening to this person "build value" in something I have already decided had the value in the first place? | |
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Hi CmdrStidd, As you said in your first post - Quote:
Hi Stayfocused, You won't forget to answer this, will you? Quote:
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I noticed that his "testing" is between text only sales page and video only sales page. Gee, I wonder if you combined the two if you might not end up with the best of both worlds and have even higher conversions than what he is showing for the video only? Let me see, now. With the third option, those that have their credit card out when they hit the sales page would be able to buy without waiting and changing their mind, those that needed to have their arm twisted a little could watch some of the video and still be able to buy and those that need the message pounded into them like a Texas oilman going for that last drop of oil can sit and watch the whole thing. You will note, however, that I am seriously doubtful of his "testing" since I continue to put it into quotes. Like some others on here, I have the feeling that this is one nice little advertising ploy and nothing more. | |
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Hi CmdrStidd, Quote:
My point being - it appears to be a common trend that as people spend more and more time on the journey from 'newbie' to IMer, they are less impressed by the typical salespage/tactic targeting newbies when they (mistakenly) feel that it is targeted towards them. The forum is full of examples of this. PS I have some 'doubts' myself, too. | |
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| I won't forget to answer it. I have to dig into my email so I can pull up certain emails I got that made me want to buy. There were also a few videos that where sent out from other people that I liked and made me want to buy. I will get all that info together and get back to you. |
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Ah, very cool! This thread has somehow transformed from a great debate about "why" into some productive study of "what worked". The way I look at it, at both the $497 and $1997 prices, helping people make more money and grow their revenues with the product, Keith doesn't have to sell too many hundred copies to see a nice return even after all commissions are paid, etc. So I agree there's some value there in seeing what particular emails, videos, benefits, 'angles', sequence, etc. aroused that buying desire monster. Gotta love the earnin' and learnin' this forum facilitates. | |
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This is another example of an incredible thread that evolved from a simple grievance. I agree on the fact that not only don't I want to sit through a 20 minute sales video, but it's absolutely ridiculous to not put buttons on it. On top of that, the very least that could be done is to put the timer bar there so you can see how much time they expect you to waste. I want my freakin 20 minutes of my life back. I think there are a whole host of us that simply click out of it after 30 seconds. It doesn't matter if it's the greatest product in the world. This is another "forced continuity" tactic without knowing what, when or if there will ever be a payoff. I'm not sure I agree but then again, they're the ones pushing the $2000 products and not I at this point. I guess there must be something to it. But the truth is, they must not be capturing everyone they could be because of using what many people would interpret as a forced sales pitch. Granted, we're not obligated to stay and watch. But the fact remains that they may be losing potential customers for what would otherwise be an easy sale for them. As stayfocused said, he was ready with CC in hand to purchase but got extremely turned off at the point of sale for being forced to sit, watch and wait for the "opportunity" of the sales button to appear. This can't be good for the business and probably extends much further than just a few of us. It just proves to me that my and other people's time has absolutely no value to these guys. They have to realize that we've already sat through 20 emails and videos during the presell stage. I hope there are some here reading these forums and that they adjust this approach accordingly in the future. As for now, I don't get past the first 5 seconds of there's no buttons. They blew it without it even having a fair chance. On another note, I'm learning a ton about buyer psychology from threads like this. What a great source of info to get free education like this. Thanks everyone. Take care. Patrick |
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I would no longer want to buy it after that. That is really a way to lose customers fast. You're not making me sit thru a 20 min video if I don't want to watch it without even a buy now button.
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I arrived at a few similar video sales pages lately. It was through emails I received from other marketers promoting it. I was also pissed off because I couldn't fast forward and the story was painfully long. I just wanted to know what it was and how much... I don't want to listen for 15 minutes what it is NOT and how much I will NOT pay for it. Now when I land at such video pitch I close the page immediatelly. I already know that I will NOT pay $6997...not even $5997... ...not even $4997...not even $3997...etc, etc, etc. |
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