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Promoting CB products that have pop-up email optin form

by Adie
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I found a very good product to promote in a remedy niche. The only thing that troubles me is the landing page optin email form. Most non-IM people visitors don't know how to get rid of these types of forms and when they fill-up to submit their email, the original landing page is gone. As an affiliate promoting this product, this is not a good thing I think because every time the visitor submit his email, I am losing a sale from a potential buyer.

What do you think?
#email #form #optin #popup #products #promoting
  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    This subject has been discussed several times on the forum before.
    Why promote a CBproduct when the owner is capturing email and
    selling to the visitor YOU send without credit to you?

    I guess you have two options:

    1. Don't promote such products
    2. Capture their email FIRST and then send them to the page.

    I'm not sure if there is a way to tag affiliate sales into an autoresponder
    series determined by who sent the lead. Maybe there is such technology
    in existence.

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    • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
      Originally Posted by Raydal View Post


      I'm not sure if there is a way to tag affiliate sales into an autoresponder
      series determined by who sent the lead. Maybe there is such technology
      in existence.
      There is, but not everyone does it.

      The thing you want to make sure doesn't happen, Adie, is them overwriting your cookie. Which is why you want to get on their list to see what happens.

      Easy to do with Clickbank bc you see the affiliate ID at bottom of order page.

      Other programs aren't as easy and may require a test purchase.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by jasondinner View Post

        The thing you want to make sure doesn't happen, Adie, is them overwriting your cookie. Which is why you want to get on their list to see what happens.
        Alas, no: this rather popular misconception is discussed and explained in some detail in the thread linked to, above. You don't normally find out what you need to know, that way (for example, if the vendor is stealing only a quarter of the leads, you'd have only a one in four chance of discovering it: they obviously won't be stealing them all: they wouldn't have any affiliates left, would they?). But if they pay 75%, they can double their own incomes by stealing one lead in four.

        I was about to say "it only happens all the time", but that would be unfair and unkind to vendors, and very slightly exaggerated: the tested and proven reality was actually that it happened "only" 85% of the time.


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        • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          Alas, no: this rather popular misconception is discussed and explained in some detail in the thread linked to, above. You don't normally find out what you need to know, that way.


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          I don't feel like reading it lol

          But the idea is to go through the ENTIRE process to make sure no shady business is happening.

          In other words - do your due diligence before promoting anyone's product.

          For example, a product I used to promote heavily that paid on a CPA basis switched from having the order form on the offer page itself to forcing my visitors to optin before placing their order.

          I did my due diligence and went through the process and discovered that they were only sending ONE follow up email out to try to get the sale, then proceeded to push their other offers I wouldn't be paid for.

          Conversions plummeted and I felt like I was being robbed. So naturally, I stopped promoting the offer.

          To add insult to injury they switched affiliate platforms multiple times and lowered the payout.
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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            Originally Posted by jasondinner View Post

            I don't feel like reading it lol
            Fair enough, Jason.

            But in that case, please excuse my mentioning that your advice above is actually incorrect.

            Originally Posted by jasondinner View Post

            But the idea is to go through the ENTIRE process to make sure no shady business is happening.
            I understand what you're saying, and am not angling for an argument about it, here: my point is that even going through the ENTIRE process doesn't necessarily show you the process that others are going through. As was so repeatedly shown, people are commonly not all sent the same emails.

            (I don't know if it will really be 85%, of course: that's an "overall figure" from 2010: they may be more - or less - honest, by now. Who knows?!).

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            • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
              Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

              Fair enough, Jason.

              But in that case, please excuse my mentioning that your advice above is actually incorrect.



              I understand what you're saying, and am not angling for an argument about it, here: my point is that even going through the ENTIRE process doesn't necessarily show you the process that others are going through. As was so repeatedly shown, people are commonly not all sent the same emails.

              (I don't know if it will really be 85%, of course: that's an "overall figure" from 2010: they may be more - or less - honest, by now. Who knows?!).

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              I wouldn't say it was incorrect. I would instead say it's imperfect.
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        • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          I was about to say "it only happens all the time", but that would be unfair and unkind to vendors, and very slightly exaggerated: the tested and proven reality was actually that it happened "only" 85% of the time.
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          So what you're saying is there is a 15% chance they won't steal Adie's leads? Great odds...
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  • Profile picture of the author Adie
    I searched the forum and can't find the exact topic. Anyway, I did not promote the product but instead, I will try to create my own product in this niche. I think is is the best solution. Having affiliate in autoresponder I think is not possible (not sure also if there is a technology for that).
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Adie View Post

      I searched the forum and can't find the exact topic.
      It's here, Adie (and it's a good thread: every possible perspective is aired): http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...oduct-opt.html

      Originally Posted by Adie View Post

      Anyway, I did not promote the product
      No, of course not.

      Good luck with your own product!
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      • Profile picture of the author Adie
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        It's here, Adie (and it's a good thread: every possible perspective is aired): http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...oduct-opt.html
        That thread is already closed but have great opinions and information there...
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Ray
    Well, don't totally forget the product all together. Remember once you have your own list as long as it is relative to what the people on your list want then you can promote it later.

    What's most important though is getting those people to sign up with YOU. If you then have your own product and you can segment the buyers out of your list, even better.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
    Originally Posted by Adie View Post

    I found a very good product to promote in a remedy niche. The only thing that troubles me is the landing page optin email form. Most non-IM people visitors don't know how to get rid of these types of forms and when they fill-up to submit their email, the original landing page is gone. As an affiliate promoting this product, this is not a good thing I think because every time the visitor submit his email, I am losing a sale from a potential buyer.

    What do you think?
    Only way to know for sure is to test.

    Also it's not the worst thing in the world to give your advertiser leads...so as long as they follow up with the leads you send them trying to sell them the product in question (or other products) with your cookie still in place.

    Get on the list and see what they send to the leads you send them. Then you will be able to determine whether or not they are working hard to sell those leads you've been sending them.

    If they do work hard to sell your leads, then throw some traffic their way and see if you can get it to work.

    Infusionsoft is an awesome platform for an affiliate because once your lead is in there they are cookied for life whether they are buyers or not. I've made much more money than I should have promoting certain companies' products because leads and buyers I sent them years ago continued to buy from them - and I continued to get paid.
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  • Profile picture of the author agmccall
    In the past I have contacted product owners, some of them offer sales pages without the signup leaks. Teds woodworking is an example of one. If it is something you really want to promote then just contact the owner and see what can be done.

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    • Profile picture of the author Barry Unruh
      [QUOTE=agmccall;9501982]In the past I have contacted product owners, some of them offer sales pages without the signup leaks. /QUOTE]

      That is the approach I have used a few times. Some of the product vendors don't have any idea they are losing affiliates due to this reason, unless you tell them.
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  • Profile picture of the author charliemwallace
    I knew of the possibility but never thought that it was a big issue in form of a lot of people doing it.

    I sell my product through clickbank and am heavily pushing people to sign up to my list so I can make the sale, get my cut and of course make sure the affiliate who has promoted it gets theirs.

    If I was to jump in and steal those commissions I am sure that the affiliates would stop promoting very quickly.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by charliemwallace View Post

      I knew of the possibility but never thought that it was a big issue in form of a lot of people doing it.
      It's a very, very big issue and far more common than many realise.

      Originally Posted by charliemwallace View Post

      I sell my product through clickbank and am heavily pushing people to sign up to my list so I can make the sale, get my cut and of course make sure the affiliate who has promoted it gets theirs.
      The affiliates you're losing, by having an opt-in on your sales page, are mostly drawn from the 5% of affiliates who collectively make 95% of the sales. There are many other affiliates to whom it doesn't matter (but they tend to be the ones who don't sell much - and there are reasons for that).

      Originally Posted by charliemwallace View Post

      If I was to jump in and steal those commissions I am sure that the affiliates would stop promoting very quickly.
      If you stole all of them, of course you wouldn't have any affiliates left. The problem for affiliates is the reality that if you stole 25% of them, you could double your own income without the affiliates even knowing about it. Serious, pro-affiliates would rather promote one of your competitors' products (that doesn't give them that problem!) than take an unnecessary chance on it. We have over 15,000 products from which to choose, after all.

      (I don't mean "you", personally, of course: you would never do that at all. I'm speaking only figuratively! ).

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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Raydal View Post

      I'm not sure if there is a way to tag affiliate sales into an autoresponder series determined by who sent the lead. Maybe there is such technology
      in existence.

      -Ray Edwards
      Ray, the technology is pretty simple. A little php or javascript to parse out the affiliate ID and assign it to a variable, along with a single custom field in the subscription form to transfer the ID to the AR database.

      Once there, it's a very simple matter to construct links that insert the affiliate ID into the link in the email.

      The only danger is that if someone opts in more than once with the same email address, the most recent ID is the one that lives in the database.

      Even with this in place, it's still better to capture the email yourself before sending someone to a sales page.
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