Does Alibaba help against child labor or sweatshops?

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I import from China. I had a friend ask me today if I was making money on the backs of children. Ouch! I honestly had never thought about child labor in China. I was curious if anyone knows how this can be found out - besides actually visiting there. Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author JosephC
    Ouch, that hurts me too. My entire skateboarding dropshipping company runs off of alibaba.

    I would like to know this answer too.
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  • Profile picture of the author onSubie
    I think you would need to find out the name of the factory they use and either inspect it or look for reports online.

    You would also need to know the labour laws and whether you agree with them. There may be atrocious conditions that meet the legal standard.

    A complex issue to be sure.

    Have you looked around for resources online? I'm sure many NGO's report this kind of stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
    Who cares? Those poor families are just doing what they have to do. It's nice that here in the US a family living in poverty gets all sorts of welfare services from the government, but that isn't an option in China.

    My understanding is that poverty stricken rural families move in closer to a city where there are jobs, but since they are essencially starting fresh they can't afford the move so the kids are sent to work in the factory.

    The problems arise only when delusional American consumers are somehow convinced the kid is being pulled away from their $500 video game system or their pony and diabolical parents send them to work instead.
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  • Profile picture of the author younglite
    I don't disagree with you...if we're talking about 14 year olds working 6-8 hours a day for decent pay. But if we're talking about 9 year olds working 16 hours a day for pennies, I have issues with that. Then I care.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
      China is one big sweatshop. I'm pretty sure you have stuff in your house that has came out of a sweat shop. There is no real way to know. You should have told your friend, "are you sure you didn't brush your teeth with a brush that came off a child back?'
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      • Profile picture of the author Taniwha
        Originally Posted by Alex Blades View Post

        There is no real way to know.'
        People can go to the factories where they buy from and see if it's up to their ethical standard/bench mark. If not, there are hundreds of other factories doing the exact same thing which could have much more favorable working conditions.
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        • Profile picture of the author tziahs
          There is no straight answer to this problem.... but,
          The sweatshops of China are real, but there here are some things to bear in mind:
          - for many people it's the only choice to EAT, just that, they provide the measling 2$/day to afford a simple noodle dish
          - when it comes to harsh labour, there are the textiles factories (which is a repetitive harmless work) and there is the toxic environment work, like chemical plants and rubber plants (i really do hope there are no children working there)
          - sweatshops might also be the mines - they use children to mine coal, iron ore and all sorts of things - children are smaller

          The thing with sweatshops is you really can't know if the product comes from one. It only makes you wonder how in the hell can a Chinese factory make a fully working chainsaw for just $15......
          On the other hand, the low price products coming from China helped a lot of people in struggling economies (those $5 shoes from China mean that children in Africa have shoes, otherwise they wouldn't). It's a very complex issue...
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  • Profile picture of the author M1ks
    I think you can not do much about it. Only solution would be to stop buying but then they would be on streets, without any penny.
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  • Profile picture of the author younglite
    Yeah, there's no clear-cut answer to this. But perception can ruin your business. Samsung just suspended a supplier for child labor issues. It was all in the news. Don't think your consumers don't care. If you at least make an attempt to minimize the issue, it can go a long way.
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  • Profile picture of the author fr33flow
    Obviously somebody was exploited. If you just want to sleep better at night; know that the products will be bought regardless. The ship is obviously sinking, so fck it and enjoy the ride.
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  • Profile picture of the author Beastmob
    I understand your concern...and to be frank with you I wouldn't be surprised if it did come from some type of child labor or unfair exploitation. It's not fair - but it's the world we live in. The whole World is a pyramid scheme. The rich just keep getting richer (usually off the backs of the poor) - and the poor just keep getting poorer. So best I can tell you is do your research and choose a route/level that you can accept conducting business at. But you best believe that with any route you take someone is being shorted in the game.
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  • I grew up in a communist country and they took us to the field and forced us to work with no pay (kids). I never thought of it in a bad light (I was brainwashed during the Marxism classes they gave us). The only thing that I do remember that was super bad was killing weeds in the collective crop field (they where huge) the sun scorching and we couldn't get water till the regulated approved time, that part I remember as bad memory. I have moved over to the freedom side now and am against it, but if you asked me back then as a kid being dragged to work I would say I liked it. I guess the only people that can stop it are the people in that country not us, I can just say I'm against it, but I don't think they care what I think plus in many poor countries kids work (like the one I was born in) that doesn't mean it's right. I think the real solution is freedom, if people are free and not forced to do things "for the greater good" there would be no child labor, all people would be wealthy, freedom breads wealth then if a family wants the kids to work on a farm for example they can, but they are not forced like in some countries. Well enough rambling, I guess Alibaba does buy products that have child labor but there are so many what are the chances they can stop it, people have to stop it. That's all.
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    • Profile picture of the author Importexport
      This matter was raised quite a while ago in another sub forum, and to save anyone interested the trouble of searching, here is what I wrote then:

      There is something quite simple that all importers from China can do to avoid buying from sources that take unfair advantage of employees or even worse, employ under age, indentured, or slave labor.

      I teach safe sourcing and among the things I do is advise people to avoid the big popular websites. A very important factor is that two of the sites that I recommend instead of the big sites have supplier assessment processes that include not only verification of their manufacturing capability, but also verification of social compliance.

      This means that they satisfy the strictest rules regarding employees' ages and working conditions, as well as social responsibilities.

      During my many visits to China since I started exporting there in 1978, I have seen great improvements in working conditions. I have visited numerous factories and examined their manufacturing processes.

      When I began importing in 1987, conditions in the factories operated by most of my suppliers were on a par with conditions I had observed in other countries such as USA, Australia, and the UK. A few had some way to go to catch up.

      Now, when I visit those socially responsible manufacturers they have premises that look more like pharmaceutical factories than industrial premises. The industrial processes that generate dust no longer show signs of that dust on the floors. Cleanliness is almost clinical. Workers have plenty of room. Floors have line markings to separate production areas from forklift and trolley traffic areas so risk of injury is very small.

      Some of these improvements are a direct result of Government regulations, but others are a result of a pragmatic decision to satisfy western buyers. In either case the outcome is good for the workers.

      While it is a sad fact that China ranks as the 84th worst country for slavery I know that my importing students can be confident that they are dealing with manufacturers whose practices are as fair as those in any western countries. I can sleep with a clear conscience and I am sure so can my students who follow my methods.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrrightme
    Yes, in some villages of China,there are.

    There is a great gap between the rich and the poor in China.
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  • Profile picture of the author richardsteels
    surely a tough issue. I don't know of a way to ensure you are not buying you products from sweatshops, and if you do know- will you really stop buying from them? what if you can't find something else?
    no body wants to contribute to child labor (I hope) but even if you stop thats not going to make a change (sorry) a bigger action should be done, one costumer is not enough, not even to have peace in mind.
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  • Profile picture of the author grandstar
    Child labor is the symptom of a problem. The problem is poverty. Taiwan used to have sweatshops but now that its rich they are gone! Fast economic growth has lifted 400m Chinese out of poverty. Buying Chinese goods spurs growth and is beneficial.
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  • Profile picture of the author SuperKC
    Haha.. dude your ordering from China.. of course it does.. so now you can either stop ordering which will kill your business (which you wont).. or ask your suppliers not to use children (which you might do but they wont stop).. or you could go all rambo and GET them to stop using children.. and those kids will starve to death next winter with no food. If it bothers you that bad.. book your ass overseas and educate these kids into being programmers and give them real jobs, but otherwise.. look the other way as everyone else does and pray a bigger man steps up to resolve the problem as a whole.
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  • Profile picture of the author josephwilson86
    Whats wrong with child labor? If a family is broke enough to send their child to a factory dont you think they should be able to do that? Its not like its child slavery... it sucks but the fact is that some places in the world are so ****ed that even children have to contribute or tge whole family could starve to death or be homeless or both. If you feel so badly for them then go there and help tjem out, putting them out of work wont improve their circumstances.
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  • Profile picture of the author mialucy06
    Last year I went KUNMING & SHENZHEN states in the CHINA. Chinese people are very clever. I found most of the people are busy with his own business, but they do not want to understand that, he is doing ill work. I am an importer also. I think the Alibaba will not be able to help against child labor or sweatshops? Thanks for your advance.
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  • Profile picture of the author hamigua
    Sweat shop ,yes
    Child labor, maybe not that much, since most families in China only have one kid now
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