Sylonious

The real problem I've run into with "the law of attraction" is just being consistent.

You need to be consistent in order for this stuff to work. I've never done affirmations more than 10 days in a row, I don't consistently visualize or meditate etc. etc..

Yes, I've had some financial success, but nothing earth shattering. My house is still messy. I'm not fat but I'm always cheating on my diet. I guess I thought I could turn myself into a robot or something. :lol:

It's definitely hard to get yourself to do stuff that you find extremely boring. I haven't mediated in a few weeks now.

About The Secret

I believe in the Law of Attraction and I have read a few books on it.

I just don't like the Secret. There's no substance to it. All they do is repeat the law of attraction over and over again in different ways.

It's more like an advertisement for "The Law Of Attraction" than an actual learning tool.

Rhonda Bryne's testimonial on how she used the secret was basically just her selling you the secret. It's kind of like a guy saying they were broke until they started selling how to get rich ebooks.

She was a television producer who decided to get into the "self-help" industry. That's low hanging fruit for any decent television producer. However, "the secret" is supposed to get the "average joe" from point a to point b, which it does not do.

It's a starting point. From there you are supposed to seek out "the experts" from the secret, which are definitely a mixed bag. Some of them are good and some of them are really bad.

I just think that there are better books/dvds out there that will give you more depth of information. Wayne Dyer, Tony Robbins, Brian Tracy etc..

don21stc

Briefly, on the subject of homeopathy, I would respectfully disagree with Sergey T - some basic tenets have been scientifically disproved using the randomized double blind technique. This is particularly the case with the counter-intuitive claim that the more an 'active' ingredient is diluted the more potent it becomes. It certainly becomes more expensive! Thus something with a dilution of 24x is considered to be more potent than 12x despite that the fact the chance of more than a single molecule of the original ingredient being present in the 24x preparation is very low. And 60x is even more expensive and you definitely don't get a single active molecules for your money.
But many people swear by homeopathy so even if it's just a placebo effect, it obviously does some people some good.

Moving on to LoA, to be controversial, I'm somewhat of the opinion that it is a modern version of the 'emperor's clothes' for some people in that they believe in it because everyone else does and so it must be true. And it is well established that if enough people believe in a 'movement' or 'cause' or whatever, then results are bound to occur that are consistent with the beliefs espoused, even if they're interpreted differently by individual adherents of the general principles involved.
I'm also confused, for want of a better word, by the apparent contradiction that people who practise genuine kindness and compassion to other humans attract not only good into their lives by, say, the satisfaction that results from being able to improve the situation of others but also attract evil, and sometimes extreme evil, in the form of those who will exploit them. I'm thinking particularly of UN Aid workers but some Warriors may recall the case of Terry Waite, the Archbishop of Canterbury's envoy to Lebanon to try to secure the release of British hostages but who was himself captured and held hostage for four years in appalling circumstances

I also wonder whether people who use the mantra "I believe in myself" can reconcile that with adherence to a set of principles which seem to have to be learnt and then applied according to some maybe unwritten set of rules?

Finally, I have no problems myself with intuition because there are many things that we do not and cannot understand and to dismiss something because it's outside our comprehension is not an approach that I subscribe to. Even Albert Einstein applied his own keen intuitive senses to the realms of theoretical physics and Sir Isaac Newton actually practiced alchemy although he did so in private!

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Aronya

Didn't understand it according to me, yes. If you disagree, why not explain LOA as you understand it?

tj0575

I just want to add my 2cents to this post. I am a HUGE believer that your thoughts and faith(when i say faith, not your religion but the faith to believe you will get what you want) dictate what you get in life. Read the book "The science of getting rich"...and you will see exactly what I am talking about. The book is a great read.....One easy to see this "law" in action is to think back over your life, I mean really think about the good and bad things that have happened to you, and you will remember a time when everything was going good, or not so good. Prime example for me, when I was dating a person who always complained that things never went her way, that started to affect me and the same "bad" things she was attracting to her, started to come to me as well just because I would talk with her about and agree with her. Needless to say we are no longer together. I cut out all negative influences in my life (friends, some family i dont talk to, even people who start to get negative in conversation, I stop talking right there and excuse myself from the conversation) I want only positive people in my circle and life and it has worked. I love my Life and Honestly I never have a bad day.

rainspeak

When actively applying the law your bound to attract more of the same so here is more. Check out some of Neville Goddard's books.

Loren Woirhaye

James Ray's experience would tend to suggest to me
that the operative mystical law of this earth is that
of KARMA - because in peddling nonsense to gullible,
needy people apparently something happened where
the priorities of his staff got mixed up; and since he
is the leader I would tend to assume the ultimate
culpability rests with him.

In my opinion most of the L.O.A. stuff is nonsense.

That doesn't mean that deciding what you want to
happen and taking action consistent with the sort
of action is not a good way to get that result.

In Mr. Ray's case he took action consistent, apparently,
with his desire for a multiple 7-figure yearly income,
capitalizing on his natural charisma and speaking
skills.

Ultimately since the focus of much of his work was
on telling people how they could get rich by following
his "spiritual" teachings it's not unexpected that
tragedy resulted.

L.O.A. teachings are often a replacement for non-rational
religious beliefs, just as are U.F.O. cults.

If you really want to succeed a rational approach will
likely get you there with less pain and expense than
following pseudoscientific trends.

L.O.A. theories as espoused by Rhonda Byrne and
her extended commercial for motivational speakers,
"The Secret" falls definitively within the category
of psuedoscience and the people who follow it are
either ignorant of what real science is or are not
ignorant but willing to mislead others in order to
"attract" money.

rainspeak

After viewing several forums through warrior there is some heavy negativity and some subtle forms as well. If you look at how those writing in those tones spend there time you can find your proof of the law therein. It is key to stay out of that.

powyoung

If you look back in history all of the greatest thinkers, scientists, philosophers, and entrepreneurs, from Buddha, Jesus, Goethe, Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Newton, Thomas Edison, and Henry Ford all talk about the ideas of the Law of Attraction in some way.

That's what convinced me that there must be something to it. I agree that the Secret lacks substance. I like the book and course it was based off of the Science of Getting Rich much better as it's more thorough. Then there's also Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill. What I liked about this one is that he spent 25 years interviewing the richest most powerful people of the time, and all of them had similar observations to make. These ideas have been around for hundreds of years.

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cgallagher93

Thanks for this post. Unlike some, you had the maturity and the wisdom to make an informative comment and provide some accurate and constructive criticism.

To be perfectly honest, I have to jump on the bandwagon here and state that being consistent with the law of attraction is very difficult. Or at least it is now with the way of society.

The concepts are very simple, the problem is you have to have great determination and self-belief to actually practice them time and time again. Having said that, I believe that just making a positive change can enhance the way you think and help you draw more of the positive things and financial abundance which you may desire in your life.

I certainly do NOT vizualize my aspirations as much as I possibly "should" do, and haven't done meditation in about a year. On the same hand though, I've recently been vizualizing a new laptop which just a couple of days ago quite kindly appeared at the right price and right time.

I also agree with you regarding the secret. It's a start, but it's far from a complete guide on how to materialize things with the law of attraction. It explains the concept and also the process you need to enter for it to work, but it doesn't explain the process in great enough detail.

Aside from the first 15-20 minutes, it's basically an hour-long presentation of a bunch of testimonials. I have to say that once I'd watched half an hour's worth, I'd have quite willingly turned it off.

There are however a few decent resources which explain the process fully and bring it all together, so to speak. The Master Key System by Charles Haanel, As A Man Thinketh by James Allen and The Science Ohf Getting Rich by Napoleon Hill. They've all made millionaires and people from around the world continue to provide positive results and testimonials alike.

I also heard it on the grapevine that The Secret book is actually much better than the movie. Has anyone here actually read the book and if so did you find this to be the case? I couldn't say I'm an avid reader myself but if it's truly THAT good then I'll be sure to get myself a copy.

The problem with the Law Of Attraction is that it's turning into a religion. Like people above have mentioned, the concepts have been taught for many years in some way and with that comes a ton of press. It's lead to people adding their own slant on things and kinda re-publishing it as it's own.

In my opinion, that's why there's so many haters and negative perspectives of the LOA. I hoped this thread might help persuade a few people to look into the teachings and apply them to see if there was any positive results. Perhaps, it was wrong and immature of me to presume so and attempt to change other people's opinions. At the end of the day, not everyone can believe in the same thing and it's this that makes the universe balance.

On the other hand, I strongly disagree with the people who feel the need to come in and apply their negative influences to this thread. Just because you don't believe in it, there's no need to criticise those who do. There are also a number of people who have responded positively, in particular the poster below.

Thanks to everyone who has provided a constructed and balanced contribution and I hope the Law Of Attraction can continue to work for you all in the way it does for myself and so many others.

Cheers guys (and gals),

Connor

JonnyCash

Great thread, the topic always touches off such polarity.

A few days ago I had coffee with a friend of mine. He is a multi-millionaire. First he built a website that pulled in 6 figures a month, then he bought and sold a portfolio of apartment buildings.

What's interesting about this guy is that he REALLY doesn't seem like a guy who would ever have achieved this type of success.

When I first met him, I was so confounded by this paradox (he was really rich, but seemed like he was kind of stupid or dumb), that I used to tell my wife that he must of just been lucky... nothing about him conveyed success or talent in any way.

So last week, I started to ask him questions, to try and figure out just how he got rich.

Again, his answers were far from what I expected.

Here are some of the notes I took (yes, I could tell I was hearing golden nuggets, so I whipped out a pad and took notes):

As I've gotten to know him better it became clearer to me that he really did have an entrepreneur's mindset and his success was no fluke.

However, he was the last person on earth I would have ever expected to attribute his success to affirmations and creative visualization.

I've heard all this stuff in books before of course, but somehow it is much more powerful when someone who you know has achieved so much financially tells you these things were the keys to their success.

Sylonious

L.O.A is just what you are attracted to or what you pay attention to. I lived in Danbury, Connecticut almost ten years ago (now I live in the Midwest) and occasionally I will see the town mentioned on the news or in a movie I'm watching. One time I saw a Fire Hydrant that was made in Danbury, CT. It's strange because Danbury, CT is fairly small town.

That's the Law Of Attraction.

All those references to Danbury would still be there with or without me. I just would not have paid them any attention.

The concept has been sensationalized and marketed in a different way but that's it in a nutshell.

And for the record, Atheism can also be a form of fanaticism just like U.F.O. and religious cults. :jab:

Those are all great resources. I personally like Wayne Dyer, but I take what I want from his books. I mix and match what he says with Anthony Robbins, Brian Tracy and even Richard Bandler (NLP). I don't just follow any one person blindly.

I also read this one book that said that you have to change your brain wave patterns for affirmations to reach your subconscious. That's why they always tell you to do affirmations when you are about to fall a sleep or as soon as you wake up in the morning.

Doing it in the middle of the day is completely worthless.

I would not buy the secret book no matter what the circumstance. If anything I would pick one of the "teachers" from The Secret" and buy one of their books instead. Whatever you decide to do get the best deal possible. Look for some of their old (cheap; used but in good condition) books on eBay or Amazon.com etc..

It's just marketing hype. You take out what you want and leave the rest.

Skepticism and atheism have basically become their own religions now. They feel the need to witness and preach God's non-existence and crush and destroy dreams. Why bother?

If Debbie Downer had a religion it would be skepticism.

Mr. Subtle

No it isn't. You're aware of Danbury because you lived there.

Sorry, but you're incorrect. There is no supernatural in skepticism or atheism. But, please give me a heads up as to which atheist God I should be worshiping.

Are they crushing and destroying your dreams? Why? Why would rational thinking and evidence do that to myth?

Do you complain about all the Christians who are compelled to "spread the good news" without a single shred of evidence. I don't complain about them. In fact, I look forward to them ringing my doorbell on those rare Saturdays when they do.

Susan Stones

I listened to an interview the other day talking about the Law of Attraction. It was the first time I had heard about it, I haven't read the book and didn't catch all of the interview. So I am talking from ignorance, but I have a policy to keep an open mind and look at the evidence. As a scientist I look for proof.

My expectation is that the Law of Attraction is works in that if I really believe something is true (e.g. i am a successful Internet Marketer) then I will behave accordingly, and I will relate to people accordingly. And as others have said, I will pay attention to relevant details and react accordingly. My total behaviour then brings the natural result of that behaviour, success in Internet Marketing.

In this thread I have read some examples of situations where the effect cannot be explained by my explanation (finding a tortoise, winning a lottery), but these are not proof. They are circumstantial evidence, that is they could be explained by some other scenario.

Any way, I will read the book, and keep an open mind. I will be looking for evidence.

Sylonious

Yes, aware of Danbury. That's all it is, being aware of it. I never said it was anything supernatural.

Almost every Law Of Attraction book uses that Red Car, example. Anyone who has read any book on the L.O.A. would know that.

A religion is a system of human thought which usually includes a set of narratives, symbols, beliefs and practices that give meaning to the practitioner's experiences of life through reference to a higher power, deity or deities, or ultimate truth.

You've come this thread to preach your gospel and witness to us about the non-existence of the supernatural, your ultimate truth. The OP never asked for that.

Because I never asked for it. I'd rather keep my delusions and be happy. I'd rather believe that I have some sort of power to change my own life instead of just thinking that I am a victim of random events.

I see "delusional" people all the time and I don't say anything. I don't see the point in imposing my beliefs about what's "rational".

No, not all Christians. Just those who go out of there way to bother or manipulate me. I look at many preachers or Christians as just scam artists just like James Arthur Ray.

That doesn't mean that I believe Christianity is a scam, that God doesn't exist or that I can't learn anything from listening to them.

I don't dislike or have contempt for most atheist either. I love Bill Maher, James Randi, and Penn Jillette. I'll listen to them with an open mind. I just don't like being bullied or peer pressured into believing something.

That seems like the new MO for many atheists. Anyone who believes in God is an "idiot" now.

I honestly don't know what is or isn't out there and I definitely wouldn't try to convert people to my way of thinking.

I close my blinds and shut my door when they come. It's not that I dislike Jehova's witnesses. I just find any preaching just extremely boring.

bluewillow

I haven't read The Secret, but I have read Cash In a Flash: Fast Money In Slow Times. It's a good read and explains how getting your thoughts right is more important that having the right money making program.

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Paul M

That's fine, you can disagree with the way I put my opinion across. I just don't feel the need to sugar-coat things. As for going out of my way to disagree with everyone. No, I'm not disagreeing for the fun of it, I actually do disagree - and it's not with everyone.

No one said you are. I guess my point really was, the LOA as a whole should be taken as nothing more than a belief. It's not provable, scientific, or even logical. Unfortunately, the way LOA is positioned can mislead people into believing that it does have some scientific backing which isn't true at all.

You're absolutely right, some of my points were probably inflammatory. Point taken. I will try to be more careful how I put things across.

That said, let's try and stay on topic.


-Paul

Holy

It's a bit far-fetched, it's not a proven law, but if you keep thinking positively about getting the things you want and actually taking action, then chances are HIGH that you will get them, but you are NOT guaranteed success. Which is why it shouldn't be called the law of attraction.
However, it's a very excellent "theory" that is greatly beneficial

don21stc

Taking up Holy's point from the previous post, the fact that the subject of this thread is called the Law of Attraction is bound to provoke anti as well as pro reactions because it's not a law enacted by elected representatives for the general good of society nor is it a law of science like the Laws of Thermodynamics which are verifiable or at least demonstrable by methodical non-intuitive methods.
Holy implies that if it was called the Theory of Attraction, it may be less controversial - I would prefer the Principles of Attraction but anyway, if it works for some people that's great! As far as I know, nothing works for everyone.
I still have an open mind on the LoA subject but I'm becoming a little bit suspicious of the attempts to denigrate anyone who disagrees with it. If it is really true that it works, surely it must be able to withstand robust criticism even if some of it may not be particulalrly well-informed criticism.

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DannyLucas

There are many good resources some one can pull from that would support the Law of Attraction. One that comes to mind is a book that I have in my library - As a Man Thinketh - by James Allen.

BiancaRaven

I find it so very difficult to grasp why people are so harshly judgmental of other people's beliefs. If there are people on this forum who want to believe the tenets set out as part of the LoA, then so be it.

Could you imagine the back-lash that would ensue if a Warrior came forward and trashed all the Christians for their blind belief in a faith-based system that is about following what a book says? What about the back-lash that would follow if a Warrior spewed negative trash about a Mormon's blind belief in a faith-based system that is about following what a book says?

Now - these aren't my opinions of religion or religious beliefs. I used them as examples to point out how terribly judgmental some people are when someone is willing to stand up and say something about what they want to believe voluntarily. You're entitled to your opinion, but it's really wrong to denigrate another person's beliefs, no matter what they are.

Judge not, lest ye be judged.

Bianca

Scorpio1947

Interesting discussion in this thread. I am fairly new here and stumbled upon it just today.
As one can expect it is a controversial subject, but then again, the so called secret has never really been a secret throughout history. In our western societies we all have heard the teachings of Jesus Christ, our brethren from the Eastern hemisphere might be more influenced by the teachings of Buddha or the Baghavad Ghita, but in essence they all say the same about how this universe works and what you have to do to build your own future.
So, I think the book and movie "The Secret" was a good way to make money for the producers and authors, but it does not convey anything one could not find elsewhere and through the ages.
As to believing or not that the LoA works, I am still not sure if it would work for ME, but I am deeply convinced that our thoughts of today form our tomorrow in the same way as our thoughts of yesterday have formed our present.
I am also sure that there is a link between what our spirit and mind think and concentrate on and what we then can see in the material world around us.
As has been said a few times in this thread, it is not easy to consistently apply the knowledge and principles of the LoA in our daily life, and that is why I have not (yet) been successful with it.
However, I would not dare to claim that this is the reason why this all must be nonsense like some did.
I´ll be following this discussion in the hope to learn more and eventually get to the point where I can say that it has worked for me.
Thank you for an inspiring discussion.

SergeyT

(bold font is mine)

That's just what makes difference for me.

LoA as put in "The Secret" states that everything in your life is attracted to you. To my mind it's quite opposite. You are attracted to what you want to have. For, on one hand, you want something been attracted to you - that implies making conditions for the attraction from your side and all the rest is done without your participation. On the other hand in case you want to be attracted to something - implies that you work with yourself so that what you want becomes natural in your new changed state. And LoA all the time mixes these two basically differet approaches.

That's why there appear supplements, clarifications such as Law of Action, deferred fulfillment and so on. All this resembles the government law system when with all additions and explanations of the law implementation the law itself becomes a mere name with its essence being something quite different.

But if approach LoA in the meaning of you being attracted to what you desire it becomes not universal - it goes to the sphere of phychology (where IMO it just should be).

As for the sources, the movie "What the Bleep. Down the Rabbit Hole" (though not so motivationally structured as "The Secret") has much more to do with reality.

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rainspeak

This is perhaps the most accurate representation of the LoA I've seen on this thread. Thank you. I see a lot of people trying to analyze if it works or not. All the while not realizing that if you doubt it's validity you have already manifested your belief. So hence it has worked. The part about the present in reference to your friend is a key missing secret and if you can combine that with feeling the desire has already manifested itself all the swifter it will will come. So if you are wanting something to come into your life you must clear or clean the doubt or the true desire will be overridden by the subconscious doubt.

Sylonious

If you read the reviews on Amazon the skeptics have over run the review page writing and bumping up negative reviews.

rainspeak

May I suggest looking at the the movie The Secret as the most successful viral marketing campaign ever. Yes Rhonda did omit somethings but, the movie is a good starting point. There is more to this LoA that what was in the movie. What I have found though, is that if you seek the information it will appear. That was a good point about consistency. We tend to send to many mixed signals to the universal mind which brings mixed results and clutter. As Napoleon Hill stated "our mind is the one thing we have absolute control over."

Paul M

Bianca,

I think you've made two mistakes:

1) You're taking the comment out of context. That statement was addressing the insinuation that anyone who doesn't believe in the LOA or dares to question it is ignorant. I see you conveniently left out the last few words of my statement in your quote.

2) How does pointing out facts and suggesting the LOA is a blind belief (because it's unprovable and has no scientific backing), or even disagreeing with it, denigrate another person's beliefs? I've said it before, if someone chooses to believe in LOA even after knowing the facts. Fine, it's there choice. I haven't stated it's wrong or judged anyone by it.


-Paul

SergeyT

OK, I'm not a medician . What I can count for is just what happened to my cat around eight years ago.

I have a really great cat (his weight is around 8.5 kg).

Now he's twelve years old but feels very alive and agile. Nine years ago he got ill, lost half of his hair and and the vet said it was urolithiasis. For the rest of the cat's life he prescribed us to feed him in a special way and said it often happens with such big ones. We went from one vet clinic to another in order to find something to cure him. Finally we came across a doctor who advised us to apply homeopathy. And it really helped. In less than a year the cat was totally cured. May be it was accidental, may be it doesn't prove anything but the result was good. And I don't think the cat (who often didn't want to take those balls even pulverized into powder) believed in any way in the power of homeopathy.

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rainspeak

On a slightly different subject has anyone hear read Fractal Time by Gregg Branden? Or read on a deeper level of the LoA anything by works by Neville Goddard?

BiancaRaven

Fair call. I haven't noticed an insinuation of ignorance for not believing in LoA. I've seen plenty of comments from people saying they can see results after applying a positive focus to their goals. Whether this is an actual attraction issue, or whether the positive mindset and added focus is the cause of the results is the real issue.

If you feel the need to take offense at this insinuation, then this begs the question, why?

Aren't most belief-based religions founded on unprovable, non-scientific backing? This is why it's called 'faith'. Yet I'm certain if I stood up and said I disagree with any people who believe unprovable things because it's a part of their faith, I'd be slammed for my judgmental attitude.

Would you be happy to post on a Christian or Catholic forum and suggest that theirs is a blind belief because it's unprovable and has no scientific backing? Do you think they'd feel as though you were denigrating their own beliefs by doing this?

Even after knowing the facts about the contradictory nature of the Bible or the Scriptures or whatever 'good book' you purport to follow, the believers still choose to believe what they want because it makes them happy. Are you going to point out the facts or the contradictions in those for each of their beliefs in turn?

Or are you just focusing on pointing out the flaws in this one?

Again, their beliefs are their choice and it's not our place to judge or question anyone else's belief, regardless of how silly or unprovable or unfounded or unrealistic it might seem to you. If it's helping them to get through life easier, then great! Good for them!

If a silly film/book like the Secret introduced a basic idea that has motivated some people to take control of their lives in a positive way, then this can only be applauded.

TomJonsRocks

I think there's more to the law of attraction then visualizing, but there is definetly something to it. Have you ever noticed how easy it is to attract little things (an extra cup of coffee, a smile from a stranger). It gets complicated when we go for things outside our comfort zone.
Maybe the trick is to treat it like a muscle. Start small and exercise your powers of attraction each day.
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cosmolito

I absolutely find that the law of attraction works. But the problem is it works against me - or more succinctly put - I work against myself! My subconscious thoughts and feelings (the ones I don't control very well) take precedence over my conscious mind. So I find affirmations and positive thinking only go so far.

However, over the long term I am making head way because I am meditating more and holding my mind on the things I want in my life more and in turn they are starting to appear more and more. But I still have a ways to go but the fun is in the journey! (So is the suffering but this is decreasing incrementally)

So my overall message is: DO work with the law of attraction, but don't necessarily expect your life to turn around in a week (though I do believe it can). In other words, don't give up if things don't seem to have changed much on the short term.

Choose a practice where you are thinking of the HIGHEST good and remember to do it throughout the day and also do 20-60 minutes morning and night sessions and I guarantee you'll see changes.

The Buddha instructed that you CAN achieve enlightenment in one lifetime but it's gonna take a lot of work/effort/time/energy. People do not become enlightened by positive thinking once in a while - this thing takes practice and a lot of man hours in the process.

Cheers everyone Thanks for reading.

I look forward to your responses...

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Shotgunner

I think the Law of Attraction may have some truth to it, but it may not have "supernatural" bases. If you work hard and believe in what you are doing, good things are bound to happen.

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Paul M

Hi, Bianca.

It's on the first page.

The disagreement comes from people stating that a 'faith' based belief is undoubtedly reality. It also comes from the 'secret' positioning LOA as being scientifically backed.

The difference is, few if any other religious beliefs are claiming to be laws of physics or backed by science. The LOA is, and thus the same false claim is being spread by some of it's believers and misleading others. Perhaps not on purpose but it's happening anyway. My disagreement isn't to slam other people for believing in it but to point out to those who haven't made up there minds, that it is just another belief and should be taken as such.

The topic is on LOA. I think LOA should be the only thing being discussed here.

This is irrelevant. These other religions are generally not trying to mislead others by saying they have scientific backing - The law of attraction is, and because of that, people who would otherwise discard such beliefs are in danger of being mislead into believing it.

Perhaps, so long as we all know exactly 'what' is being applauded. I would also hope those who do believe in LOA recognize not just the positive but also the potential dangers of LOA and make sure to avoid them.

I think what all this really comes down to is I chose to frame the LOA in a negative way just as you chose to frame it in a positive way. Both are fine, there just opinions. I think at this point we should just agree to disagree.


-Paul

cgallagher93

Paul,

I believe you've made two mistakes:

1) The fact that you think Bianca was "taking the comment out of context" is simply a belief, therefore it is not true and is only your opinion. After all, if it isn't backed up by scientific evidence, is unprovable and not logical then it can't be true.

2) Second numbered point, fourty-ninth word. Inproper use of the word "there" as classified by the English dictionary for improper usage. You may want to refer to the following article for some help regarding this matter:

How to Fix Improper Use of Pronouns | eHow.com

Finally, no you haven't "stated" that it's wrong or judged anyone by the fact that they choose to believe in something that is not scientifically proven or logical (as according to the Gospel by Paul, chapter 17, verse 21). Good one!

Instead, you implied it. If you want to be so robotic about this, then I suggest you learn the difference between the words imply and stated, as they imply a similar meaning:

"Imply is to indicate or suggest without being explicitly stated: His words implied a lack of faith."

Please, if we here believers are so blinded by the Law of Attraction that we don't know the facts - I invite you to correct us and explain the facts scientifically.

It's a free world. There's plenty of hatred out there and to get by in life many people need hope, belief and freedom. Now I know those three words don't really exist in your vocabulary, but please take just a few minutes to empathise with others and you might realise why Bianca said what she did.

The point is, people have the freedom to believe in hope and should not be judged, criticised or even implied to in a way that is negatively influential and derogatory. The problem with scientists and people who live their life by science's rules, is that they fail to respond to things outside of their own way of thinking. In my opinion, many possess a one-dimensional perspective of life and the world around them, thus explaining their inability to communicate correctly with others and "believe" without explanation.

Thanks,

Connor

Paul M

The comment was taken out of context because the quote missed the most important part of the statement that influenced its meaning.

Most of the rest of your post is just pointless. Nice try, but I wont be dragged into a childish sh*t-slinging contest.

You should probably know after being a member here for a few months, what usually happens to threads when they turn into that kind of mess.


-Paul

Jonathan 2.0

Whether you believe in LOA or not, you have to congratulate its' creator, Rhonda Byrne, for wanting to improve people's lives (which she has) and for lifting people's consciousness to a higher level (which she has).

And, I think people who ignore everything The Secret and LOA have to teach are missing out on a great deal.

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Originally Posted by cgallagher93 The problem with scientists and people who live their life by science's rules, is that they fail to respond to things outside of their own way of thinking.

That reminds me of the Einstein quotation: "Science without religion is lame."

Interesting discussion you've created, Conner. I love this part of the forum because people can discuss subjects like this while respecting each other's point of view. Well I try and do that anyway. *Chuckle*

Jonathan 2.0

cgallagher93

What a pity others don't eh? It seems there's much misconception over a discussion thread and discrimination.

Great post though and I have to say I agree. Whether the law of the attraction is based on science, religion or whatever... the point is it works. It's great that such a thing does exist, true or not, and credit is due to Rhona for making it public.

coreytucker

Im going to jump in on this topic

The law of attraction works! I have done many test with it and it does work. I started small and worked my way up. Honestly I have never used it for Online marketing for one reason or another.

I first started by manifesting an apple to come to me. The next day the apple did indeed come to me without me looking for it or anything. I just happened to be walking and it was placed right in front of me on a napkin on the sidewalk.

Next I tried small things like getting a dollar and that happened when a old lady for no reason taped me on the shoulder at Mcdonalds and asked if I wanted a dollar to buy some cookies.

I did more small experiments like trying to manifest a drumstick ice cream cone. 3 days later I was helping my landlord clean the yard and we found a old drumstick laying in the grass that came from who knows where (yea not exactly what I wanted but 1 day later I actually got a drumstick ice cream cone.)

I did some more small experiments and then worked up to the bigger ones. I moved out to Hollywood to go after my dream of becoming a comedian/actor and made sure to visualize being on a particular show before coming out here. I visualized being on a certain very popular show every night for 2 months before I moved to Hollywood.

Well guess what happened about 3 months ago? I was basically in the right place at the right time and got on the show I visualized about. Now on on this show 2-3 times per week and it gets an average of nearly 2 million viewers per night and is nationwide on a very popular channel. Its not exactly what I expected to be on the show and im not getting paid much yet. But the producer has already told me he has bigger plans for me on the show so im pumped!

Im not trying to brag or anything because im not a big star or anything yet. My point here is that the law of attraction works! Basically if things keep going the way they are im going to be actually famous,lol. Its all almost like a dream for me and is amazing!! But im still not there yet and sadly im still barely making enough to even pay my rent. I obviously have lacking beliefs and negative thoughts about money a bit.

Anyways bottom line is that the LOA works! Not only that but it works in a way where you dont even need to look for your goal. What I mean by this is that it just comes to you! I know it sounds crazy but it actually works that way like magic.

Basically you just visualize, expect it to happen, have faith and forget about it. When I say forget about it I mean simply forget about it like you would a dentist appointment. You know you have the dentist appointment coming up but your not looking for it.....you just know you have it.

If your looking for what you want your not going to get it because your in the state of mind of not having it when your looking for it. Also something important to remember is when you visualize that you involve all of your senses.

I try to put myself in first person just as real life, hear the noises, touch nearby objects, feel the feeling of actually being there and smell whatever is around. I did my visualizations also with music that makes me feel good, music that gives you goosebumps.

It took me a few years to really get the hang of it. Im not saying im a master at this because sometimes I still fail with certain things for one reason or another. But I promise, most of the time if I spend say at least 5-10 minutes a day before bed visualizing a goal for say 7 days it will most likely happen within a few days to a few months.

The hardest thing is to stop looking for your manifestations. You just need to visualize it, know its coming and have faith that it will come eventually. At the same time of course you can do whatever it is that you think will bring you closer to your goal. ust don't try to force your manifestation to happen a certain way. I landed a spot on the tv show I spoke of in a totally different way than I expected. I actually thought I knew how I was going to get on the show but it turned out I got "discovered" another way.

It doesnt matter though, the end result is that I am on the show just like a visualized! Im telling you guys, this LOA stuff really works It takes a while to get the hang of and I advise that you start with something small that you believe will actually happen. Anyways good luck to everyone and hope this was not long winded,lol.

Daniel E Taylor

Here's the real secret.

You're not attracting what you want...

You are attracting exactly what you are....

You are not ignorant because you don't believe
in it...

You are ignorant when you think everybody who does
believe in it only does so because of "Blind belief".

Which indicates that the person thinks that because they
haven't experienced/witnessed/realized something that
someone else hasn't either.

Which indicates profound ignorance because they actually
think what they have experienced thus far in thier very
short life span is all that an infinite universe has to offer.

That my friend is the profound ignorance.

If you honestly think someone who meditated for 3 years straight
hasn't experienced things and levels of consciousness you probably
never have and would have insight on things that are probably beyond
anything you'd find in a labratory and a microscope...

Then yes you are ignorant.

Moral of the story you can't prove it to anyone but
yourself. So do the meditationa and spiritual practices faithfully
and see what you discover.

And arguing with people who obviously haven't done the inner work
to be able to raise their very low awareness is just a waste of energy.

They can't see it, so they an only argue on what they know. And anyone
who has a achieved a high level of consiousness can sit back and just
smile at thier ignorance.

Because they can't see it.

Daniel

Self Actualization is one's true purpose. Everything
else is an illusion.

Loren Woirhaye

That's quite funny, Daniel. I doubt that was your intent though.

Mr. Subtle

Hey, don't forget the second half of the quote:

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

Take your pick... you want to be lame or blind? Lame wins hands down for me 100% of the time.

My guess is that most in here are not subscribers to Reason magazine or Skeptics magazine.

The Secret of The Secret - Reason Magazine

The Secret of The Secret

A cult self-help DVD fleeces the credulous.


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Jonathan 2.0

That's a good point Mr. Subtle.

The problem with Reason Magazine (and similar publications) is that they deal with current, mainstream science. Who's to know whether the audacious claims in The Secret will be proven to be true?

Mostly they're commentating on the presentation of The Secret. And I completely agree with them. People like Joe Vitale saying "The Universe is your personal catalogue" doesn't lend any credibility to the argument.

And If they would have said: "We believe that ____________ happens, and we have anecdotal evidence to support that, however it hasn't been proven scientifically as of yet" (and based the movie around that premise) then perhaps there wouldn't have been as much criticism.

My personal belief is that the basic premise of The Law Of Attraction—meaning that a person's thoughts influence the reality of their lives—is correct. Actually, it's been proven. The question is can a person's thoughts affect something outside of their head? I honestly don't know. I think it could be true.

On a practical level if people are enjoying more success in their lives because of The Secret and Law Of Attraction then it can only be a good thing.

Jonathan 2.0

MissTerraK

We all have our belief system, spiritual beliefs, etc., and that's ok, we all have free choice.

My belief system says that the law of attraction works, it is a law that has been set forth on the earth. I always say that fear is the opposite of faith. If you have faith in something and do your part in believing and achieving it, in one way or another, at some point in your life you will see it!

If on the other hand, you fear something as you work towards that belief and that fear is always in the back of your mind, the fear wins out.

There was a King in the OT while in a battle ended up losing that battle and something preciuos to him as well and his reply was, "The thing that I have feared most has come upon me."

His fear was greater than his faith and that is what he attracted! Just my humble opinion!
MissTerraK

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Sylonious

There is a major difference between innocent skepticism and the people who came in here with a clear agenda to troll this thread.

The Secret does deserve some healthy criticism. I just think you could have done it without telling people they are apart of the "entitlement crowd" (or in Loren Woirhaye's case comparing people who read self-improvement books to "UFO cultists").

Entitlement Crowd? Is LOA some form of cosmic welfare now? This is an internet marketing forum. Almost everyone here has come to this forum looking to learn internet marketing so they definitely aren't looking for hand outs.

If people were expecting hocus pocus magic they wouldn't bother coming here to learn.

Like you acknowledged earlier, there is some psychology at work with LOA.

Mr. Subtle

Learn? Maybe. Checking out what The Secret is about... sure. (I saw the vid.) I'm just voicing my opinion and giving those who are clueless (about the vid) a HEADS UP that there are snake oil salesmen out there.

I'm a big believer in placebos. They work... until the person finds out it's just a lame sugar pill. Then the "magic" disappears.

Paul M

If you mean me...Troll? No. The agenda was to stop this thread from becoming a one-sided me-too thread that could mislead others who are watching who have yet to make up their minds about the secret. Just as others in this thread have their own agendas.

Where exactly did I tell anyone they are part of the entitlement crowd? I said the secret "especially appeals to the entitlement crowd", I then even pointed out I wasn't aiming that comment at anyone with this: "Not saying you're part of the entitlement crowd."

I think you may have misunderstood what I mean by entitlement crowd. Entitlement thinking is an individuals belief that they're entitled to have their wants and needs met. This is why i think a theory where the universe helps you get what you want would appeal to that group. Again, I never made any connection to people in this thread or on this forum as being members of the "entitlement crowd."


-Paul

Sylonious

Coming to the Warrior Forum to learn internet marketing not to learn about The Secret. You took that out of context.

Respond to my last post directed at you...

That's like writing a book review for a book you have not read. Either try it and tell us it didn't work or at least recommend something better. There are plenty of practical and logical self-improvement books that you could have recommended instead.

This section of the forum is about self-improvement so it's logical for us to expect someone to contribute to this thread by helping others and making book recommendations.

The connection was made to people who are open to the concept of LOA.

Elaborate on that. Entitled to material gains without working for it? Entitled to more than the next guy? What? Are we all supposed to stick to our own fair share?

Are rich people rich because they worked harder than the rest of us? I'd like your philosophy on life. How do we get from point a to point b?

Luck? Hard Work?

Or are we just stuck in our place since birth? Darwinism, survival of the fittest, right?

Do I come to an internet marketing forum because I feel entitled to make sales or get that top SERP?

If you really want to contribute you should at least try to help other people. Are there any atheist friendly self-improvement books you can recommend?

cosmolito

You bet it does!

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