TimCastleman

I need to talk with you. Seriously, if you have gone through the exercises, understand the book and concepts behind it shoot me a PM.

sanjid112

Why won't talk here, in your own thread?
Why we should shoot you a PM?
Since in my opinion, post new thread is to share with other and asked for comment about it.

-Malik

Loren Woirhaye

I think I understand it. I don't do the exercises because I developed
my own methods over many years prior to reading the book.

I consider PC to be a rationalist method for creating change. I've
been influence more by NLP and the practice of making intentional
shifts in my behavior, plus other esoteric and intuitive stuff
I've learned and developed over many years in yoga.

Are you struggling with the method, Tim? or having a crisis
caused by doing the practices? Sometimes these things happen.

GT

Hi, Tim:

I haven't read Psycho-Cybernetics, Maxwell Maltz, M.D., for quite a few years, so I don't remember any specifics. I do remember enjoying it and benefiting from it. So, I will add it to my reading list and when I can get to it, I will read, review and respond here.

GT

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TimCastleman

Thanks for the replies. I am a visual and auditory learner and reading it isn't working for me so I want to spend some time with someone on the phone/skype that can walk me through the darn thing to help me stop scratching my head.

Tim

TimCastleman

Anyone out there actually read this thing?

What I just want is the cliff notes version and say here is the system in the nutshell, here is how you use it, etc.

Nobody?

Tim

Loren Woirhaye

I'll take another look through the book and get back to you in a
few days, Tim.

I see the psychocybernetics method as primarily willpower driven.
There's not much hocus pocus to that - you sincerely have
to want to make change in your way of being. Personally
diet is a big part of my discipline and Maltz didn't emphasize
food choices much. I feel a lot of foods people like to eat
poison the mind, acid-forming foods mostly.

When the acid-forming foods leave the diet, negative and
repetitive thought patterns are said to decrease. Brian
Tracy has cited this. I don't know if it's true but my own
experiences with diet suggests it may very well be so.

Trying to change the way you feel about yourself when
your blood-chemistry is out of whack is like trying to
make your car go with a flat tire. The basic message of
Maltz is that everbody grows one day at a time and we
all backslide, but you need to learn to separate who you
are - a capable and worthy person deserving of success
and love - from the day-to-day experiences you might
have where things don't go your way; for example, if you
are a salesperson sometimes sales aren't happening, but
you separate the experience of not being in the flow
with sales from your real self-esteem. The way I see
it if you want to be successful you should guard your
inner self and your enthusiasm and virtues. So even if
you go through bad times you can convince yourself you're
okay.

It's all a little touchy-feely and kind of "un-manly" when
you get into it. You have to be cool with opening up
to your inner child to really flower as a whole person -
that's my way of looking at it, but it jibes with Maltz, IMO.

ShaneRQR

There's an audio-book available. Maybe that would help you as an auditory learner.

I never read the book but I listened to the audio-book and I found it very interesting.
It seems like a slightly more rational and less fluffy approach to the whole intention manifestation thing.

Daniel E Taylor

Yes the basis of Pyscho Cybernetics, NLP, Sedona method, and
all the other similar methods can all be traced back to psychology
and our subconscious mind.

It's reprogramming the subsconscious mind because it's just like
a computer and it's what is shaping your world and controling
your habits.

It's quite simple.

Subconscious pattern ---- > Emotional State ----> Action (Habit)

So if you reprogram the first part in the chain the rest follow.

Your action is what gets your results in life. Many people know WHAT to
do to get the life they want, but fail to act on it. And it can all be traced
back to a subconscious pattern. A thought pattern that's holding you back.

Because you keep having the same reoccuring thought you identify yourself
as that, and your perception literally creates a world around you that
makes it seem real.

Maxwell strongly believed in the metaphysical as well. He even breifly talks
about it in the pyscho-cybernetic book.

I could write a book on it, but just remember the basis of all psychology is
pyscho-analysis then repgrogramming self sabatoging patterns something thats been around for about a century and a quarter.

Daniel

Self Actualization is one's true purpose. Everything
else is an illusion.

Ian Jackson

Take the easier route...

Read/apply the "The Master Key" (ISBN 0900 604 050) by Charles F Haanel. You can get an "original" copy by phoning R & W Heap Publishing at this number - even if you're not in the UK:
+44(0)161 427 3513.

And, see if you can get a copy of the twin CD set "The Cosmic Ordering Service" by Barbel Mohr (ISBN is 1-84456-396-0)

Loren Woirhaye

I wouldn't put PsychoCybernetics and Charles Haanel in the same
category. Haanel is basically metaphysical, which is not
how I would describe Maltz at all.

A person who hadn't read Maltz wouldn't know this however.

Daniel E Taylor

Then you obviously haven't read MALTZ. Even in PsychoCybernetics
he talks about his strong belief in the metaphysical.

Self Actualization is one's true purpose. Everything
else is an illusion.

Loren Woirhaye

you're out of line, dude.

kennethtang

Tim,

I'd characterize PsychoCybernetics' major premise as Rational Imagination. Maxwell Maltz was a scientist first of all, with a "religious" or metaphysical bent (although not strictly in the mainstream Judeo-Christian sense).

He believed (and rightly so, in my view) that Imagination rules where Will fails to move. However, whatever else he posited about Imagination, Will, the subconscious, etc was based firmly on the fundamental functionality of the human brain as a goal-striving mechanism.

Imagination provided the "code" (the mental pictures) that "programmed" the brain-computer while Will (or Rational Thought) provided the guidance on WHAT to code. In other words, Will was the Guidance Mechanism while Imagination was the Power Mechanism.

Both had to work together in order to (re)programm the brain for better performance or a change of habit or to instil winning attitudes.

Maltz also believed that, much like the human body has its own healing force, the human brain has its own creative force and if left to its own devices and without interference (after some initial preparation) will come up with just the right answers to questons asked of it or a course of action to take.

Much of the interference comes from overly critical judgment of performance, inappropriate self-image concepts, inappropriate worry, taking things too seriously, etc.

His premises make a lot of sense and are, above all rational. While he was of a religious bent, his metaphysics was not that of "The Secret" or "The Master Key" whereby human beings affect reality via vibratory emanations from their minds or thoughts. His was a metaphysics of rationality whereby we change our "brain-paths" and thereby our attitudes and actions, and thence events and realities of our world via our actions.

A lot of applications can be found for his methods/theories. Some obvious areas include sports psychology and sales. PscyhoCybernetics can be put to great use here. Heck, all the principles, strategies, methods found in sports psychology can be found in PsychoCybernetics and vice versa.

For obvious reasons, there isn't enough time and space to go into all that PscyhoCybernetics contains, but I hope that the above has been of help.

Kenneth

JohnB23

I'm not really into books like Psycho Cybernetics anymore (or nlp, or tony robbins).

But one part about Pyscho Cybernetics that sticks out for me is a passage about identity. I'm paraphrasing, but he said, "your identity is rock solid. Violating what you think your identity is, would be like a law abiding citizen becoming a criminal and violating the law". That was very powerful for me.

You think about the line between a law abiding citizen and a criminal. That's a very clear line. So you better know what your identity is. Because you'll act in ways to support your identity.

Daniel E Taylor

MALTZ DID believe in a universal mind (God, source energy, etc...),
and that we are all connected just like what the "Secret" talks about.

Not just in "rational" metaphysics as you put it.

The reason is because a man as intelligent as MALTZ understood
that obviously we use the imagination to reprogram our brain,
but that doesn't explain what the imagination is or how it was
created.

So he realized there was another aspect to this than just
plain pyschology.

aniel

Self Actualization is one's true purpose. Everything
else is an illusion.

Rachel Rofe

Tim,

I'd get the audio version.

I listened to it and tried to read the book after, and found the audio to be 100x better (and I'm usually the opposite).

The narrator on the audio has lots of enthusiasm and it comes across much less dry than the book.

griswold

Dude, I've read Psycho-Cybernetics about 5 times. Awesome. I'd gladly talk to you about it. I understand how talking things through (with feedback) helps to enhance learning.

You can skype me: michaelgriswold

Once you get it, you'll love it. And, instead of feeling like its some sort of magic trick, you begin to understand that it's simply learning to take control of your thoughts.

As Winston Churchill said,

"The price of success is taking responsibility over each one of your thoughts."

Michael

John Henderson

Hi Tim,

I don't know whether you already know about this, but there's an updated version of PC called "Psycho-Cybernetics 2000". It's been re-written by Bobbe Sommer in a much more up-to-date and approachable style. On Amazon.co.uk, you can pick up a used copy for £0.13, so I'm sure it'll be just as cheap wherever you are. Hope this helps.

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John Henderson

Sorry for digging up an old thread, but this seemed like the most appropriate place to post...

If anyone is having difficulty understanding Psycho-Cybernetics, Maxwell Maltz wrote a follow-up book called "The Magic Power of Self-Image Psychology" which may be of use. Whereas "P-C" is more dedicated to the theory of self-image psychology, "Magic Power" is all about practical exercises to apply the theory to your own life. I'm reading it at the moment, and can confirm that it's a more accessible route to Maltz's teachings.

Amazon.com: The Magic Power of Self-Image...

Hope this helps somebody!

aWholePlanet

Have to agree with John. I've been giving away copies of "The Magic Power of Self-Image Psychology" since the mid-70s. It has always seemed to me to be much more accessible and immediately helpful than "Psychocybernetics." However, I must say, an 8th grade reading teacher named Mrs. Clark possibly saved my life by giving me a copy of "Psychocybernetics" in 1966.

I was in an extremely depressive and suicidal state for some dumb teenage reason and the book turned on all the lights for me and turned my attitude around.

Maltz based his theories and teachings on the relatively new science of cybernetics and systems theory, as proposed by Norbert Wiener, Ph.D. in the 1940s.

Wiener's work led to servo mechanisms, feedback loops, self-correcting machines, and missile guidance systems.

Maltz applied these theories to the mind and to human behavior.

And Maltz taught that we think in images and that we don't respond to reality but respond to our limited images of reality. And so he taught how we can change the pictures and thus, change our responses.

For almost two decades now I've been writing that Richard Bandler and John Grinder and their various teams that helped develop NLP between about 1971 and 1981 borrowed richly from Maltz without giving him any credit.

Only recently have I become aware that I'm wrong. Or at least partially wrong. I don't know that they *didn't* borrow from Maltz. But what I have realized is that Maltz borrowed heavily from Gregory Bateson -- as did Bandler and Grinder and their teams. And Bandler and Grinder gave credit to Bateson for the borrowing. Maltz did not.

Anthropologist, semanticist and cyberneticist Bateson was the first to apply cybernetics and systems theory to human behavior and wrote and lectured about it extensively in the 1940s and 1950s. And continued to share wisdom and theories in cool publications like "Whole Earth Review" up until his death in 1980.

Interestingly, he was a professor at the experimental Kresge College on the UC Santa Cruz campus while NLP was being birthed there in the early 1970s, and knew Frank Pucelik and Richard Bandler and John Grinder at the time they were first working these things out. He even wrote the Introduction to Bandler's and Grinder's first co-authored book, "The Structure of Magic, Vol. I."

I'm now more inclined to believe that rather than appropriating huge hunks of "Psychocybernetics" outright, that the NLP founders and Maxwell Maltz both drew heavily from Bateson's theories and Maltz, in particular, made them accessible to the average person in a really easy to understand and follow self-help format.

(Maltz's language and examples aren't so accessible now, but that's only because the American language and culture have changed so much since 1960. The same is true with many of the early 1900s turn-of-the-century New Thought texts and psychology texts, some of which taught SOME of the same core principles that are at the heart of Psychocybernetics and NLP. The language and examples used in the books almost seem foreign now. The same will be true in 40 years of books on the bestseller list today.)

If you've ever done a workshop with Bandler -- or watched one on video tape -- or purchased any of his audios -- you're aware that much of the rapid change work that he does centers around having the clients examine the nature of the pictures in their minds at the moment they are experiencing unwanted behaviors.

"Psychocybernetics" does the same thing. And has you change those pictures.

Bandler (and his NLP teams) came up with more than a dozen aspects to examine in a mental picture. Or maybe it's more accurate to say, identified more than a dozen different ways individuals make and view mental pictures. They refer to these as "representational systems" and "submodalities." You can see a chart listing most of them -- though not in Bandler's specific and precise language -- on Wikipedia.org. Use the search term "Submodalities."

An NLP practitioner knows that each of those submodalities can be tweaked, manipulated, switched, etc. and that combinations of submodalities can be altered in one quick "swish". And that as the images are altered, so are the feelings and behaviors related to the image.

Maltz taught the same thing -- but he didn't have the extensive list of submodalities that NLP developed. Maltz would have you turn up (or down) the brightness, the colors, the size of the images. He might have you play them backwards, as in a movie running in reverse. He might have you change the soundtrack. All of that is valuable, when done with understanding of when how and why to do it and when it is done with precision.

And, interestingly, all of that was taught by Brown Landone as early as 1917 in several of his books. He called the process "Vivid Thinking."

And something similar was described by the remarkable genius and inventor Nicola Tesla as part of his creative process.

So, no, it's not all new. What matters is that you find someone who teaches it well and in a way that you grasp and can implement. And that you prove to yourself that it makes a difference in your life and effectiveness.

I haven't pulled out "The Magical Power of Self-Image Psychology" in several years. Think I will. And see if still seems as useful to me as it did the last time I gave a copy to someone who I thought would find it helpful. That was 12 years ago.

I'll mention as well that there is an audio book of Maxwell Maltz lecturing about "Self-Image Psychology." I bought it in a Glenwood Springs, Colorado, bookstore in 1989. Don't know if it's still in print, but is worth a search on Amazon if audio books appeal to you.

Best,
kwc