jewin

I hadn’t planned on doing this video on the Law of Attraction. I ran across a rather poor explanation of The Secret tonight on YouTube and felt people just deserved a little better.

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Thanks.

LOA is something that I have found to be a hit and miss topic to talk about. But I ended up figuring out many people learn in different ways...so what may make sense to you, might not make sense to me!

I like your video, and I will be showing it to a few people I know

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Interesting video, I’ve read a little about the Law of Attraction but need to Research it more.

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jewin

Thanks guys, I'll do some follow up videos on related topics. Maybe a primer on visualization would be good.

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FortressDewey

Visualization works...just think of a sport that you play...imagine doing the repetition over and over in your mind, your mind donesn't know the difference and is able to develop those neural pathways, same thing with visualizing "riches" (however you want to define them).

Also, the law of attraction works on everything, be it "good" or "bad". I dare say attitude is everything. I know I don't like to be around people who are negative, as I can do that easily enough on my own.

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Good explanation Josh. LOA is definitely misrepresented by so many people. It is a scientific law that can be explained and proved.

One of my fav. explanations of LOA was from Bob Proctor in his book "You Were Born Rich". For those of you who have not read the book, I highly recommend it. You can grab a free PDF copy of his book on his website although the link appears to be broken at the moment. I would be happy to share a copy if anyone is interested.

AwesomePossum

Josh, I'm not arguing about the subconscious but I think it's silly to say that we certainly don't have a collective unconscious, of some sort, as well.

This isn't a defense for meta physics(I'm not even sure what meta physics is lol) but it's just my thought in the matter.

Matter can't be created nor destroyed but only transfered. At the same time there's a ridiculously LOW conversion rate in our food chain...

I'm not saying I believeyou're wrong because Please don't think that because I'm not sure on how this all works yet. Those are just the facts I'm aware of and that I think are worth noting

P.S: I'm not religious either lol

Mr. Subtle

There isn't any Law of Attraction in "real" science.







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AwesomePossum

LOL

Ya there is Mr. Subtle. Have you ever heard of your subconscious mind? Ring any bell? Ever study how it works? Ever study how our conscious mind works? Ever heard of belief systems? Ever heard of the Reticular Activating System?

Do you actually know how any of these systems operate?

Or is that all just fable?

But hmm...you know what? Your probably right though....Science doesn't like what they don't understand outside of their field because they personally don't understand it...so they discount it as fable when in reality science is fable anyways.

So I have a question for ya. what happens when we get sick?

Ya ya..there's a million answers but only one constant.

Our immune system is fighting a battle against the things that aren't suppose to be there.

You can't cure sickness through a lab in these cases because the problem is the body. But the whole field of science says...oh sleep deprivation. HERE: Take this sleeping pill that will chemically force you to balance yourself properly...and by the way leads to addiction. Just loook it up! Do a little scientific study on the other side of the fence and sees what makes sense.

If you keep an open mind one simple truth will always outweigh the defence no matter how complex of a reason.

Yet when we hear that it's law that our subconscious beliefs create our reality and perception of the world we completely ignore it and discount it as fable.

K dude. How bout you open up your eyes. And I agree that medicine saves lives so save that argument. My case is drugs don't cure the source of sleep deprivation. They make source of the problem worse. Medicine has a purpose but it doesn't lie in a lab it lies in nature.

How bout we drop the $1B industry BS that's been fed to us and start looking for the core fundamentals of how we operate as humans : 0

It's quite simple actually. Ever heard of eating healthy? Look at how many people live with an unbalanced diet...meat, bread, and dairy(which is sooo gross if you look into it. It makes me sick actually.) And Those are the healthy ones!!!!...that's a good one and in the process lets all together ignore all the natural foods(how every other species on the planet eats by the way. I don't think squirrels run around throwing pesticides on their nuts that kill other living things just so they can make the most commercialized money they can off of it.). The foods that give us all the nutrition we need....seriously who needs that when we have drugs and chemicals that we can put in our bodies every day?
The way we live our lives is a problem but we don't see past it because the people in the lab suits can't change because it drops billions down the drain. Once again medicine is good. I'm making no argument against this and I'm not making an argument at all.

I'm stating this...don't call out things you don't know the slightest bit about because you simply don't know. You find some hyped up version of LOA and DECIDE on the spot it's fable.

common sense obviously gets us nowhere ; )

Mr. Subtle

I know there isn't any Law of Attraction in "real" science. But of course you're welcome to prove me wrong by providing some links to papers, in peer reviewed scientific journals, proving there really is a LOA in science.




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AwesomePossum

You are discounting all of psychology as a science then?

Mr. Subtle

Not stirring any pots, just trying to inform the credulous who think (The Secret) Law of Attraction is (real) science and not (new-age) pseudoscience.





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sexydiverguy

It works..It can be really weird.I actually explained it briefly to a group in a leadership seminar I had to attend. People were amazed with my explanation and the facilitator agreeing.

I do know a great deal of money has been made by all those involved in the movie and those who were marketing it.

Bart Loos

no

now show us where anyone in psychology refers to the LOA

with some peer reviewed research, pls

Gonna give you an example how things that most think are "scientific" aren't at all...

any one heard about the left right brain split...and how some people are left brain thinkers and others are right brain thinkers...

or how you only use 10% of your brain...

well those "beliefs" live only in the poppsychology world...

... and putting on sunglasses or not... has nothing to do with LOA

just as changing beliefs ... has nothing to do with LOA

.. just as neurology and biology has nothing to do with LOA

and just as medicine.. whateva that rant was all about ... has nothing to do with the LOA

but I must not have done my study.. and since you have done it very thoroughly . you can clearly explain us how those 200000 people that where alive and kicking a few months back in Haiti.. aren't any more...

they attracted the earthquake... right... all of them?
so they all must have had that exact same belief system?

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Bart Loos

sure which has nothing to do with the LOA

but with marketing..

marketing people.

where are the hundred of thousands,millions of new "millionaires and billionaires".that emerged after watching The Secret, .. where are all those winners of the lotto?

well lately we had a few tennis players believing they both where going to win that same tournament...

sadly enough...

it won't happen... no matter what they belief.

neither does my nice little grandma stand up from the death, because I would like that to happen...

...geezes people

get a grip ..

if you want something - focus on it and take action

stop wishing for that red bike to magically show up in the morning

... and by focusing on it you'll see more opportunities ...

which has nothing to do with the LOA

Have fun

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SuzanneR

I don't believe in LOA or any other kind of magical thinking (as Subtle recalls from our heady evolution discussions on Fortin's board haha!).


But I do think if you want something, and you gain focus...your subconscious starts to go to work--and it does start to feel like magic.

But it's not.

It's just a shift in your perception.

Your priorities change, therefore so does your vision.

I'm sure cognitive scientists can explain it much better than I can.

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AwesomePossum

LOL LOA has absolutely nothing to do with an Earthquake that occurred in at the core of Earth and the effect at it's surface.
but if you want to get into it like that....
1. Haiti had no engineering or housing regulations
2. Chili suffered the 7th largest earthquake in recorded history. 8.8 What was the death toll?
What was the difference?
Regulation and the enforcement of it.

And siiigghhh.....

K, I so I'm prurposely choosing to loose this battle so you win.

But here's my point to start which obviously went over your head. You're quick to discount reality because of your belief system : 0
Everyone takes LOA out of context and gives it a fairy tale analysis.

What LOA is to me is this. This is my perception.

First things first if we're on a scientific argument, disprove these defenses I give because that's what science is!! Disprove them please. I'm not going to run around for a week to win some silly confrontation in a forum when I can These are fields that have milestones of research put into them.

1. Quantum Physics as a whole science.
2. The fact that the computer you're looking at was in fact created through thought and the development of that thought.
3. The reticular activating system.
4. Our subconcious and our belief systems. (Do you actually know how it operates??) Well here let me give you an "unscientific" epxlanation really quickly.

Our belief systems are developed through our conscious mind In other words our conscious mind is the gateway to what should be accounted for a belief. (I'll be repeating so I can get different perspectives taken into account. If things aren't said a certain way it is quickly discounted lol) Our belief systems(aka our reality : 0) are a direct result of 2 things. Our environment and our reactions to this environment.

Our subconscious plays no role in the development of belief systems. Why? Because it operates without hesitation. Zero hesitation because it controls all our our vitals...but our belief systems are also held in this realm.

Stick with me here...an open mind does wonders : 0

And once again our belief systems come from our environment. And we develop our beliefs that best adapt us to survive.

Because our number one goal in life is survival....right?
Or do I need to go through an explanation on survival too?

So through this process we've adapted to the environment.

So...uhhhgg...this is exactly why I'm not providing a journal for every explanation...I'm not doing busy work ; ) It's worthless and nothing but protocol.

K, bear with me. The path of least resistance. The way we operate...short explanation...hmm...k, so when we migrated west we followed ox paths...these ox paths were made out of the same process.. around the streets of boston the same concept happened but they decided to pave the roads over them. Right?? K, now that you checked your little journals we can move on.


Soo...this is where things start to get interesting. We've naturally adapted through our environment and we take the path of least resistance. That's where we're at.

So naturally we don't like to change our belief systems because it takes work so we attract(AKA FIND!! EVER HEARD OF THE RETICULAR ACTIVATING SYSTEM????? LOOK IT UP!! IT'S INGRAINED IN OUR SURVIVAL) an environment that is suitable for us. Thus replicating the process of attraction.

but we find out that those ox paths are quite bumpy but we know that we can change it by law(unless your stating that no one ever changes. We really don't need a journal for that right? SIIGGHH...hold on. There's a NASA study I ran into a while back, and I'm not going to look for it, that states it takes 30 days for our brains to readjust aka rewire itself aka to change habits and ways of thinking. You get the picture I hope. Parallel thinking does wonders ; ) The experiment had to do with giving astronauts goggles that flipped their sight upside down. After 30 days it switched the view right side up. One day off resulted in another 25 days to adjust.)

The trick in life is that life is nothing but an illusion that has been created by our environments and our personal reactions to this environment...so the real magic trick in life is to see through your own reality(the water you're swimming in) and realize that everyone lives life in a different manner. Ever heard of individuality? Ya, shockingly "LOA" plays a role in it : 0


That's the easiest way I can explain it without going too far into the "scientific" realm.

That's the nature of LOA. Once we understand this concept we can work on the process of restructuring our belief systems through harmony and repetition

And if you want to get down to business, as it turns out LOA is connected to success...what?? oh yeah definitely. The nature of success is this.....I'll explain this in scientific terms and then hope you get the concept of parallel thinking through the use of examples and observation.

Ohhh and by the way I got this all from Edison here:

1. Our fundamental physical reality is driven the bonds in atoms.
2. Atoms bond through attraction to opposite charges that make them neutral...aka bonding or harmony.
3. Given that atoms connect through energy(charges) that means we as humans do too. Ya, we have energies cuz we're alive : 0
4. This means we all strive for harmony. Every single one of us.
5. The problem is that our society is always out of balance constantly trying to rebalance itself. This creates cycles
6. So the mastery of life is the mastery of cycles.
We can go a loooot of places at this point but we move to LOA
7. In order to master cycles we have to uproot our belief structure given to us by our environment and replace it with the ability to properly adapt to all conditions that can present themselves. Not just the one that is in our immediate environment.
8. In order to change our belief systems we either ingrain through habit and repetition or through creating inner harmony. Creating inner harmony is the way to do....thus LOA. Inner harmony creates outer harmony(the ability to react to our environment without friction.)

So if you want to argue, just stop the fanciness and play the game with your mind instead of protocol.

I'd actually love to have a grown up argument here so I'm sorry for being hostile in my explanation and I think it would be cool if we could get each others perspectives without a bunch of lame research. It does no good in reality anyways...because once again The reticular activating system. We find what we're looking for because without it we couldn't survive. It's ingrained in our survival....so could we just go the route where we talk things over without defense and simply state our different perspectives? That'd be chill..

If not I have no need to talk to you and you win. I don't care if your right or not. I'm not wasting my time like that though.

sexydiverguy

Ahhhh.....That is "the secret" and loa.....
Focus can be lost and that exactly why there can only be one winner.

AwesomePossum

... and by focusing on it you'll see more opportunities ...

hahaha....ya, that has everything to do with LOA.

The Reticular Activating System is LOA

let's disect.

Attraction: The act, process, or power of attracting.
Law: static or truth

by focusing: (a center of activity)
you'll see: (find thus replicating the process of attracting)

Saame thing dude. I can break it down more if you don't see it.

AwesomePossum

Chica, that's LOA.

When you're shifting your priorities and perceptions you are attracting different visions are you not?

AwesomePossum

hahahahahah...

New age science is not pseudo science!!

Unless your stating that all science is pseudo science.

This has nothing to do with LOA by the way.

Here let me explain:

How did Newton, Edison and Einstein go about this? This whole "science" thing?

They didn't run around disproving things. They looked at core fundamental truths. The things you don't need to provide scientific journals in defense of.

Mr. Subtle

You're right... Law of Attraction has nothing to do with science.




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AwesomePossum

K, so that's your response to my perspective?

AwesomePossum

and siiiggghhh....could you try to look at the bigger picture here.

I was talking about new age science. AKA getting out of the lab and looking at how nature operates and functions.....

Odahh

I had a long post i wrote out then deleted . I remember the religion and evolution chats we had on Fortin's board. I think those where part of the reason he shut it down. A few to many battles between board posters.

Back to the subject of LOA. There is a reason the concept was kept to the upper crust and the more advanced members of religions. In the general population it was "bad things happens to you because you where bad " " good things happened to you because you where blessed" . Upper crust and religious people new there was a lot more than just that to it.


There is harm in expecting the universe to treat you like a spoiled child. Via handing you what you want by just thinking about it. And imagining you have it really really really hard. There is harm in thinking you attracted some of the worst events in your life. The whole i am sinful therefor i was punished for my sin thing.

Using the law off attraction I have actually been far more effective attracting negative events. I was trained in the school of extreme negativity. One thing the law of attraction has helped me with. I stopped complaining constantly about everything. That has reduced stress a bit.

AwesomePossum

Alright Mr. Subtle,

In that case, you just discounted the core principles of chemistry and survival without providing evidence "solid concrete evidence" against this "fable" concept.

Way to keep an open mind.

If you bash at least give your perspective. Way to hold an intelligent conversation. My goodness...LOA is pseudo science is all I got out of you.
Why don't you want to talk it over like men?

Ever heard of looking at a different perspective and learning from it?

I'd love to hear an explanation at least so I understand where you're coming from.

Stay in your static life and stay in your lab.
I'll study the laws of nature and realize that it takes adaptation to live a good life. If that means there isn't a concrete line between fable and our laws so be it. Unlike you, I'm not looking for ways to stay the same and to discount all other concepts because it's outside of my realm of thinking.

Odahh

i am wondering if subtle took this chat to pm i am not seeing his responses to possum .. just three post from possum

AwesomePossum

hahah...ya he's not really talking.

I just want to get a perspective. I've kinda tried everything.

Odahh

That is right possum I forget you were not on the copywriter's board before it shut down . If I remember suble's perspective. If you can't prove it in a lab or with some hard method. Be very careful of discussing it with him as some sort of fact.

AwesomePossum

haha...oh thanks odahh. had no clue.

But I'm pretty sure chemistry and survival is hard fact....like core fundamentals in our science.

But maybe not...how do I know? I just studied Environmental Science for a year then I decided to give up and study Einstein, Edison, Newton, and generally the fields of psychology and success....but ya not too much lab work involved in any of that so I think I'm outa luck ; )
That's certainly fine with me. I like my open view better than any closed one no matter how sound that closed mind appears from the inside.

SuzanneR

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AwesomePossum

Exactly!! Thank you!

But it's the same exact underlying process.

We are in that sense FINDING our best suitable place in an environment. We are attracting ourselves to the environment as it is. Our environment is incredibly dynamic(individuals interacting in itself presents a case).
So dynamic that any belief structure can find it's proper place. We naturally fall into where we belong(aka our belief systems. Whether it's the happiest person on the planet or the saddest. Rich or poor. It doesn't matter on how an environment acts on an individual but how an individual acts in his/her environment. That's the nature of success. And all successful people say you need to start from the inside out. AKA harmony within yourself creates harmony(the ability to adapt to your environment.)

This is one of the core principles of survival.

AwesomePossum

Suzanne that was seriously the statement of the night

The outside world remains EXACTLY as it is.

soo what changes? what is the difference between successful people(in all aspects of life because that is what success is.) and unsatisfied people?

If the environment doesn't change what does?

Have you ever made a change in your life?

Did this change lead to a new environment for you?

But did anything in the environment actually change? Nope

AwesomePossum

And actually from a scientific perspective, your environment does in a sense adapt to you as well. It's law if you adapt to your environment that it must also adapt to you. "For every action there is a reaction." Reactions also create reactions because they are in themselves actions. ; )

An obvious example: think of all great leaders. They all made a change in the environment but they were simply individuals. If a power lies with one individual it lies with all or it wouldn't be law ; )

Bart Loos

nice ending ... the 'agressiveness and emotional attachement' in your post shines so hard.. that it completely blinds me from what your point exactly is

sorry to inform you but you're talking to someone who has been doing ''identity" level belief change work, with people from all over the world for the last 6-7 years

so I know a bit about 'beliefs' and what origins these beliefs.

I also happen to know quite a bit about the brain and it's neurology.

and since you seem to be really interested in how the brain works..

here are a few other references you can start out with: Joseph LeDoux, his books "the emotional brain", "your synaptic self" are very readable, and understandable even for those who have no background in neurology,

another nice one is Antonio Damasio... here's a good link:

FORA.tv - Antonio Damasio: This Time With Feeling

another useful one book, maybe a bit fluff, but still useful, is 'the care and feeding of the brain' by Dr Kenneth Guiffre. he came up with the 3dBrain model.. how information (through the senses) is distrubted on a neurological level.. and how this can create 'problems' (ie: limiting beliefs)... .

the research on mirror neurons, seems to be taking high pace... and then the poppsychology fields jump on to it, there is a trend in NLP to run with his ideas to dumb it down to explain how mirroring and matching work should work...

V.S. Ramachandran, ...take a look at his phantom limb pain work.. not my take but anyway pretty interesting for those who are studying how the brain works.

btw.. tommorow I'll be attending a speech and discussing by Giacomo Rizzolatti, who will be speaking here at the "i-Brain festival' at a venue here in Ghent, Belgium and on Sunday for instance we have a research discussion about 'fear' by the 'Molecular Imaging of Brain and behavior' MIBB research group, . which I'm also looking forward to....

.... you go on about changin beliefs and stuff.. and that might all be very valuable, indeed...

but you're jumping to unfounded conclusions to tie it in with a LOA...

it's dumbing down the whole process of how people function and what happens on a neurological level when they process information.

if you say to me, well Bart.. I use the term LOA as a metaphor to explain how your beliefs might have an effect upon what you perceive and achieve in the world ...
then you might have a small point.. though I think it's a very sloppy one..to help you explain some basic neurology, biology and human behavior

...but if you are running with it as if it is the "truth" ... you're just drinking the CoolAid ...

... and you see that it shines through in your posts all the way...

are you willing to be completely wrong?

now that's just a simple question... and if your first response is going to be to shoot that question back to me... you know your answer...

oh btw it really doesn't have to take 21 or 30 days to change beliefs or behaviors.....It can be as swift as a few minutes. but that's my personal experience speaking

Have fun

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Bart Loos

so why do yo want to call it 'the secret' and 'LOA'..

and not just .. focus and take action..

... hmm.

well maybe because that doesn't sound so sexy...

might it be just.. "marketing"..to make money

instead of really a law?

a sad scam...

well certainly that red bike.. wasn't achieved by focus and action.. but by wishful thinking... oh well... maybe it was focused wishful thinking... after all...

Have fun

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Mr. Subtle

Plus (at least) two more steps after taking the first two.

Yep, little boy wants a bike, believes he'll get a bike and he gets it with no effort. What they cut out of the movie is the boy's dad telling him... "Get off your lazy ass, get a paper route, work hard, save your money, then buy the bike." It's a frickin' miracle that LOA is I tell ya... a miracle!




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AwesomePossum

Bart, believe it or not I love being wrong That means I've learned something lol I don't mind that in the slightest bit.

And thank you for being patient even with my lack of. I was more gunning towards Mr. Subtle because he never contributed anything worthwhile to the conversation. All he can say is fairy tale which means he doesn't really understand that there's more to a Law then at the surface.

Like the Law of Gravity. Ya if you let go of something it falls. but it's just as important to know how the law operates.

And my point was no one's really looking at the name in itself. Law of Attraction. I have zero obsession with the matter in itself. I couldn't care less. But it has valuable assets to it such as visualizations and affirmations(even though they aren't good for everyone.). They include meditation, patience, acceptance. It's an incredible series of attributes that play a role so I don't want it to be counted as fable. It is a law You just have to look for it.

And lastly, my "belief" or when I see The Law of Attraction occur is through success. Not the people that talk about LOA but the people that teach about success.

Every successful person has inner harmony. The most successful and efficient people have very little friction. The saddest and most frustrated have an incredible amount of friction.

So LOA to me is Inner Harmony=Outer Harmony(aka success)

I also notice how people almost always find themselves in an environment they belong in...and if they don't belong there you can see it in their body langauge.

Of course this has nothing to do with science. Just observation but that's what I do more often than not.

Bart, right now I'm really interested in modeling behavior...not for theory but I want to learn about our different personalities, the benefits of each, and to blend them with their polarities. I've been trying to do that with my flaws. (Arguing included lol)

Do you know where I can find something like that?

oh! And I completely agree with you. I've changed my thinking from negative to positive in a matter of 3 or 4 days. Just by recognizing what I was thinking and when I found my self thinking the wrong way, I thought of a way to rephrase it. It happened incredibly fast.

But right now I'm looking for changing habit. I want to be always present in the moment but I always find myself thinking of some stupid theory and it's starting to get in the way of my life so I'm using the same concept. When I recognize I'm not present I stay there. It's taking a lot longer though.

I'm going to look through you post more tomorrow but I have to get runnin now.

Aaryn

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AwesomePossum

Bart, how do you go about developing Awareness?

And what do you feel is the most efficient way to change beliefs once awareness is developed?

I've noticed that I've been aware of things then I adjust and they just keep coming back so do I just keep adjusting and use patience or is there a more efficient way?

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I have sent my email address to your Hotmail.

Thank you

SuzanneR

I don't think this entirely true. It may be true for some but you can't make a sweeping generalization like that.

There are successful people who who are highly focused and know what they want...in some areas of their lives (like their career)--while the rest of their life is a shambles.

Also--there are people who struggle with depression etc (no inner peace there)--but yet have the inner strength to keep on trucking towards what they want.

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AwesomePossum

We have different perspectives on success Suzanne.

Success isn't money...it isn't materialistic wealth...not at all. That's achieving financial freedom.

Success and business and success in life are two different ball games. I'm talking about success in life. Harmony between the aspects of your life. You can't be happy without harmony...are you saying depressed people have inner harmony? Because they surely don't. That is my generalization. I think you might be too focused in. I'm not talking about specific areas but rather life as a whole. I'm talking about overall harmony in life. Overall Balance and Harmony is required to live a happy and fulfilling life. That is my generalization and nothings cut and dry...just the underlying process. Look at chemistry. Unbalanced charged atoms look for balance. It's a core principle in our existence and balance and harmony are the same exact thing

It starts inside of us not outside.
Materialistic possession is only an effect of true success not the cause of it.

Steve Baker

I have no documented proof of LOA.

All I personally know is that when I follow the principles of it and "the secret" and similar teachings, PLUS take massive action, massive results happen for me.

It's just like sitting at a casino table with 4 aces. Unless you are prepared to do something with them, they are totally and utterly USELESS!

It really cheeses me off that (this is my interpretation anyway) people get all hyped up with LOA and all the other stuff out there and then bag it when no results happen.

Sorry to burst their bubble, first off, we have to believe in ourselves and be positive . . . but we all have to get off our butts and take action - and lots of it, plus continue taking action for as long as we choose to have results.

AwesomePossum

I think the problem is that people are looking at LOA in the wrong way. They are looking inside of it looking to see if it works rather than looking at what occurs(the actual end result) when belief systems are changed...does it have to do anything with LOA?

NO NOT IN THE SLIGHTEST BIT. But what's the result of us restructuring our belief systems? We change...what happens when we change? We create a different environment....without this process no one could ever change anything about themselves because changing yourself would do no good.

So no, neurology has nothing to do with LOA as we know it.
However, it doesn't change the end result.

What actually happens when you change your belief systems?

Outside of LOA context?

Bart Loos

Aaryn,

there are a few things here "we, people are not trained to be present"...it's something you want to cultivate.

we shift through different levels of awareness throughout the day. Trancing out, day dreaming might be a very useful thing to do... in the right context at the right time, the same goes with different awareness levels, ie: being super focused.

so the question is: what exactly do you mean with "being present"?

is that being aware enough to pick up the energy and emotions from a friend on the other side of the planet, or is that noticing exactly what someone says to you when you're out clubbing, or is that noticing all the licence plates of the cars you pass on the free way...or what kind of trees you pass while noticing the play of the clouds, ... maybe it's noticing how many breaths you took when you were running up the stairs, while listening to what your friend is yelling at you, and feeling how it feels how to move your body fluently...
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maybe it's just being able to shut up your thinking and just notice..

but on the other hand.. there might be some stuff that gets in the way of being able to be present (ie: thinking stupid theory) and getting out of your own head, and paying attention to what's happening around you might be a good thing to do... :-)

so the questions are:

what do you avoid feeling by 'thinking of some stupid theory'?

or

what does it allow you to keep feeling by 'thinking of some stupid theory'


have fun

Bart

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Bart Loos

the question is what do you think this 'awareness' is going allow you to be able to do that you're not capable of doing now?

I'm a bit clueless about your question. what is the way to change a belief when you notice that you have a limiting belief? is that what you're asking?

or did you mean to communicate something entirely different?


well you are artfully vague about what you are aware of and what and how exactly that you adjust.

one of the main causes of not being able to change or adjust, is because most have no clue about what the real issue is.

they look at the symptoms. they change the symptoms without addressing the underlying structures and driving cause... . which results in either the same symptoms popping up again some time later, or creating new symptoms

ie: stop smoking, start smoking again or create a chocolate addiction

makes sense?

Have fun

Bart

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