napolean hill philosophy... not sure about something

csrpj · 03-17-2010, 07:36 PM

maybe you guys can help clarify something for me.

in the forward of think and grow rich, i see a quote from hill (just started the book so specific references won't make sense to me yet): "what your mind and conceive and believe, you can achieve."

now, this sounds nice, and it's very empowering if it's true. but what about counter examples? i mean, if you can conceive and believe that you're gonna lose 100lbs in three days or become a billionaire soon, that doesn't mean you can achieve it. so doesn't that disqualify his quote (and from what i understand, lots of what the super popular book and based on)?

Mark1 · 03-17-2010, 07:48 PM

The key here is faith. None of us have the faith to become a billionaire in three days. There is just no way we can conceive of it. I believe it ties in with the law of attraction.

But you know I saw a series on lottery winners and this one lady wrote 113,000,000 on a piece of paper and placed it under her pillow. I don't know why she chose that amount. Anyway,she won a few weeks or months later. You guessed it 113,000,000 dollars.

She was interviewed on TV. Even if she didn't win the exact amount written on the piece of paper I am pretty sure she placed that paper under her pillow.

Tina Golden · 03-17-2010, 08:11 PM

Quote:

i mean, if you can conceive and believe that you're gonna lose 100lbs in three days or become a billionaire soon, that doesn't mean you can achieve it. so doesn't that disqualify his quote (and from what i understand, lots of what the super popular book and based on)?

He is referring to sane and rational people. Only delusional people would think that they could lose 100 lbs in three days, unless they weigh 500 lbs. and are having surgery tomorrow.

Tina

AwesomePossum · 03-17-2010, 09:14 PM

It's a philosophy geared towards our environment...logically, when you truly choose that you ARE a millionare and it enters your belief systems your subconscious naturally takes action to the truth that has been passed from your conscious...your subconscious does not rationalize...it only does(without hesitation) what the conscious passes on to it.

At this point we naturally act...and we influence our environment...now the tricky part is this....if we react to our environment, by law the environment must react to us...

So that's the underlying concept...Napoleon just sounds cooler! If you find a counter argument to this...please let me know

fasteasysuccess · 03-17-2010, 10:24 PM

I feel he meant we are only as succesful as we believe. So start believing you can do it as you learn and then put into action that knowledge right away. Basically believe, learn, do.

Mr. Enthusiastic · 03-17-2010, 11:40 PM

In his books, Hill asks the reader to temporarily set aside preconceptions long enough for him to make his points.

I think this is a fair request. I believe you will gain more from this book if you honor it.

As Hill also mentioned, if you prefer your old way of thinking you can always pick it back up again after you're done with the book.

The whole point of the book is how the concepts in your mind can be made real - through faith, autosuggestion, the Master Mind, and so forth.

Give him a chance to explain those things, before complaining that he's not yet explained it when you just haven't got any further in the book.

The book gives a great deal of very specific information about exactly what he means. If you finish it and aren't satisfied with Hill's approach, you can always conceive a resale of your book on Amazon or Ebay and then achieve it. (There's a reason that there's someone always ready to buy this book... and it's not that a sucker's born every minute.)

Chris

fasteasysuccess · 03-18-2010, 12:19 PM

just a bonus trivia fact about Napoleon Hill which was a great man and his books phenomenal, but in my new book I speak about a little known fact people don't know about him...

Towards the end of his career he actually ended up broke. That's Right ended up broke the Think and Grow Rich Man. I feel one reason is that he stopped believing in the knowledge he had and stopped taking action.

There's the bonus trivia for the day

To Your Success-

Mr. Enthusiastic · 03-18-2010, 12:32 PM

I think the "died broke" thing is nothing more than an unfounded and unkind rumor that spreads because it's such a shocking idea.

It's directly contradicted by the Napoleon Hill Foundation's site:The Napoleon Hill Foundation - FAQ

Quote:

Q: How did Mr. Hill die and when? I have heard he died penniless; is that true? Did he do everything he wanted to do and accomplish? Was there family?

A: Napoleon Hill died at 87 on November 8th, 1970. He had just celebrated his birthday on October 26. He did not die penniless. He had endowed his foundation, and was living his dream. You can read his biography - Lifetime of Riches - to learn more about his family and later years. One son survives today, as well as numerous grandchildren. Dr. Hill - Napoleon's grandson - will do a conference call for our Mastermind Online in the next few months

Are they lying?

fasteasysuccess · 03-18-2010, 12:40 PM

Hill went broke towards the end of his career. But was saved by long time friend, and student, W. Clement Stone Insurance Giant who nursed him back to 'financial health'. (Apparently part of the deal was that Stone licensed the lion's share of Hill's work.) Otherwise his family would own the rights to his products and foundation right?

AwesomePossum · 03-18-2010, 12:59 PM

Ya, that was crazy...I was in shock the first time I heard it...then I realized...he studied the greats...he was never one of them

Studies are much more valuable though....as long as they can be applied!

Mr. Enthusiastic · 03-18-2010, 01:38 PM

If this is true, it would be sad that Mr. Hill was able to advise others but not himself.

However, dishonesty about his life would contradict the very principles he taught.

I'd like to see some reputable biographical source with more information. And not just a blog that reposted it from some email from someone's cousin's uncle's mother-in-law's housekeeper's pastor's secretary's barber's friend who was there!

fasteasysuccess · 03-18-2010, 01:43 PM

mr enthusiastic slow down. Like I said in the beginning great man and phenonemal books and principles. I can't name one person succesful who hasn't read atleast one of his books.

Just like A lot of people were under the impression that he was rich and started this book on his own. This is straight from wikipedia for you

The turning point in the writing career of Napoleon Hill is considered[who?] to have occurred in 1908 with his assignment, as part of a series of articles about famous men, to interview the industrialist Andrew Carnegie, one of the most powerful men in the world. Hill discovered that Carnegie believed that the process of success could be elaborated in a simple formula that could be duplicated by the average person. Impressed with Hill, Carnegie asked him if he was up to the task of putting together this information with only reimbursement for out-of-pocket expenses to interview or analyze over 500 successful men and women, many of them millionaires, in order to discover and publish this formula for success.[5]

You'll notice it said assignment not ventured on to or started his book by

To Your Success

Mr. Enthusiastic · 03-18-2010, 02:13 PM

I knew about his start with the Carnegie interview. What I question is the claim you brought up about the end of his life: would he have died broke if not for a "bailout" from Stone? If so, why wouldn't his foundation be honest about that? If not, who would have come up with the false claim, and how did it get to be a popular rumor?

Mandy Swift · 03-18-2010, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by csrpj

maybe you guys can help clarify something for me.

in the forward of think and grow rich, i see a quote from hill (just started the book so specific references won't make sense to me yet): "what your mind and conceive and believe, you can achieve."

now, this sounds nice, and it's very empowering if it's true. but what about counter examples? i mean, if you can conceive and believe that you're gonna lose 100lbs in three days or become a billionaire soon, that doesn't mean you can achieve it. so doesn't that disqualify his quote (and from what i understand, lots of what the super popular book and based on)?

Hi would like to throw my hat into the ring here. 'The Power Of The Mind' is something that science is only just getting to grips with here, quantum physics is only just scratching the surface of what is possible and how out thoughts influence things and things are created. Highly recommend 'The Answer' by John Assaraf. Best book I have ever read, very readable, no jargon. Brings together the 'science' of quantum physics in a fascinating read and applies it to really sound business success strategies.

If it all seems too 'unbelievable' to be able to get your head around, let's not forget that not so long ago in terms of evolution, people were convinced that the world was flat. They believed it was flat because they could see it was flat. Try it, if you went and stood on top of amountain and ignored what you had been taught at school, would you actually believe that we were spinning through space on a spherical earth structure at ridiculous miles per hour, held on only by this mysterious thing called gravity? I mean what is gravity? Can you see it? Can you smell it? Can you put it in a test tube and measure it?? No, but we don't have any problem 'conceiving' that this is in fact the 'truth'. Why not in years to come when we have our heads round the fact that time is not in fact linear, that everything exists all around us right now, will we not be able to access things with the power of our thoughts and beliefs. After all plenty of people have healed themselves from cancer and other diseases in remarkable time frames by the power of their belief. And conversely witch doctors are able to put 'spells' on people in primitive African cultures, literally causing them to die because of the power they exert on people's minds.... So yes, if you can conceive it and you can believe it (and more importantly you can believe it on a sub-conscious level - that's the really key thing to the whole process here) why wouldn't you be able to achieve it ?

AwesomePossum · 03-18-2010, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mandy Swift

Hi would like to throw my hat into the ring here. 'The Power Of The Mind' is something that science is only just getting to grips with here, quantum physics is only just scratching the surface of what is possible and how out thoughts influence things and things are created. Highly recommend 'The Answer' by John Assaraf. Best book I have ever read, very readable, no jargon. Brings together the 'science' of quantum physics in a fascinating read and applies it to really sound business success strategies.

If it all seems too 'unbelievable' to be able to get your head around, let's not forget that not so long ago in terms of evolution, people were convinced that the world was flat. They believed it was flat because they could see it was flat. Try it, if you went and stood on top of amountain and ignored what you had been taught at school, would you actually believe that we were spinning through space on a spherical earth structure at ridiculous miles per hour, held on only by this mysterious thing called gravity? I mean what is gravity? Can you see it? Can you smell it? Can you put it in a test tube and measure it?? No, but we don't have any problem 'conceiving' that this is in fact the 'truth'. Why not in years to come when we have our heads round the fact that time is not in fact linear, that everything exists all around us right now, will we not be able to access things with the power of our thoughts and beliefs. After all plenty of people have healed themselves from cancer and other diseases in remarkable time frames by the power of their belief. And conversely witch doctors are able to put 'spells' on people in primitive African cultures, literally causing them to die because of the power they exert on people's minds.... So yes, if you can conceive it and you can believe it (and more importantly you can believe it on a sub-conscious level - that's the really key thing to the whole process here) why wouldn't you be able to achieve it ?

I completely agree, the subconscious is where all of the "magic" happens

AwesomePossum · 03-18-2010, 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Enthusiastic

I knew about his start with the Carnegie interview. What I question is the claim you brought up about the end of his life: would he have died broke if not for a "bailout" from Stone? If so, why wouldn't his foundation be honest about that? If not, who would have come up with the false claim, and how did it get to be a popular rumor?

Don't you think it would be damaging to the association?...and they said he didn't die penniless...

Has anyone read the biography?

Just a lil input into the discussion..I'm not taking sides...just stating my opinion.

philsquires · 03-19-2010, 05:00 AM

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HugoG · 02-08-2011, 12:38 AM

I think that us human are only scratching the surface on what we are capable of doing. Until somebody proves the opposite, so people just wont believe they cant do it. Like for example the famous four minute mile. Now everyone is doing it. So I guess is just being completely certain that you are able to achieve that thing and you are most likely will achieve it.

Unwavering Faith.

huang zhi · 02-08-2011, 06:08 AM

You miss the point here that he said "can achieve." They can choose to or not to, it is just some people's choice to do it or not and take action on it that makes that the difference.

03-17-2010, 07:36 PM	#1
csrpj Active Warrior Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 59 Thanks: 9 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	napolean hill philosophy... not sure about something maybe you guys can help clarify something for me. in the forward of think and grow rich, i see a quote from hill (just started the book so specific references won't make sense to me yet): "what your mind and conceive and believe, you can achieve." now, this sounds nice, and it's very empowering if it's true. but what about counter examples? i mean, if you can conceive and believe that you're gonna lose 100lbs in three days or become a billionaire soon, that doesn't mean you can achieve it. so doesn't that disqualify his quote (and from what i understand, lots of what the super popular book and based on)?

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Mark1 Warrior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Contact Info	Re: napolean hill philosophy... not sure about something The key here is faith. None of us have the faith to become a billionaire in three days. There is just no way we can conceive of it. I believe it ties in with the law of attraction. But you know I saw a series on lottery winners and this one lady wrote 113,000,000 on a piece of paper and placed it under her pillow. I don't know why she chose that amount. Anyway,she won a few weeks or months later. You guessed it 113,000,000 dollars. She was interviewed on TV. Even if she didn't win the exact amount written on the piece of paper I am pretty sure she placed that paper under her pillow.
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AwesomePossum Drop It While It's Hot :0 War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Colorado Posts: 695 Thanks: 67 Thanked 95 Times in 81 Posts Contact Info	Re: napolean hill philosophy... not sure about something It's a philosophy geared towards our environment...logically, when you truly choose that you ARE a millionare and it enters your belief systems your subconscious naturally takes action to the truth that has been passed from your conscious...your subconscious does not rationalize...it only does(without hesitation) what the conscious passes on to it. At this point we naturally act...and we influence our environment...now the tricky part is this....if we react to our environment, by law the environment must react to us... So that's the underlying concept...Napoleon just sounds cooler! If you find a counter argument to this...please let me know

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Mr. Enthusiastic Enthusiastic Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 815 Blog Entries: 4 Thanks: 222 Thanked 224 Times in 170 Posts	Re: napolean hill philosophy... not sure about something In his books, Hill asks the reader to temporarily set aside preconceptions long enough for him to make his points. I think this is a fair request. I believe you will gain more from this book if you honor it. As Hill also mentioned, if you prefer your old way of thinking you can always pick it back up again after you're done with the book. The whole point of the book is how the concepts in your mind can be made real - through faith, autosuggestion, the Master Mind, and so forth. Give him a chance to explain those things, before complaining that he's not yet explained it when you just haven't got any further in the book. The book gives a great deal of very specific information about exactly what he means. If you finish it and aren't satisfied with Hill's approach, you can always conceive a resale of your book on Amazon or Ebay and then achieve it. (There's a reason that there's someone always ready to buy this book... and it's not that a sucker's born every minute.) Chris

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fasteasysuccess FastEasySuccess Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: wisconsin Posts: 485 Thanks: 2 Thanked 74 Times in 59 Posts	Re: napolean hill philosophy... not sure about something Hill went broke towards the end of his career. But was saved by long time friend, and student, W. Clement Stone Insurance Giant who nursed him back to 'financial health'. (Apparently part of the deal was that Stone licensed the lion's share of Hill's work.) Otherwise his family would own the rights to his products and foundation right?
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Mr. Enthusiastic Enthusiastic Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 815 Blog Entries: 4 Thanks: 222 Thanked 224 Times in 170 Posts	Re: napolean hill philosophy... not sure about something If this is true, it would be sad that Mr. Hill was able to advise others but not himself. However, dishonesty about his life would contradict the very principles he taught. I'd like to see some reputable biographical source with more information. And not just a blog that reposted it from some email from someone's cousin's uncle's mother-in-law's housekeeper's pastor's secretary's barber's friend who was there!

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fasteasysuccess FastEasySuccess Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: wisconsin Posts: 485 Thanks: 2 Thanked 74 Times in 59 Posts	Re: napolean hill philosophy... not sure about something mr enthusiastic slow down. Like I said in the beginning great man and phenonemal books and principles. I can't name one person succesful who hasn't read atleast one of his books. Just like A lot of people were under the impression that he was rich and started this book on his own. This is straight from wikipedia for you The turning point in the writing career of Napoleon Hill is considered[who?] to have occurred in 1908 with his assignment, as part of a series of articles about famous men, to interview the industrialist Andrew Carnegie, one of the most powerful men in the world. Hill discovered that Carnegie believed that the process of success could be elaborated in a simple formula that could be duplicated by the average person. Impressed with Hill, Carnegie asked him if he was up to the task of putting together this information with only reimbursement for out-of-pocket expenses to interview or analyze over 500 successful men and women, many of them millionaires, in order to discover and publish this formula for success.[5] You'll notice it said assignment not ventured on to or started his book by To Your Success
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Mr. Enthusiastic Enthusiastic Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 815 Blog Entries: 4 Thanks: 222 Thanked 224 Times in 170 Posts	Re: napolean hill philosophy... not sure about something I knew about his start with the Carnegie interview. What I question is the claim you brought up about the end of his life: would he have died broke if not for a "bailout" from Stone? If so, why wouldn't his foundation be honest about that? If not, who would have come up with the false claim, and how did it get to be a popular rumor?

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