Will Edwards

I just wondered if anyone here saw Benny Hinn's appeal on God TV last night; and, if so, what you thought of it. This morning I felt compelled to write a Blog article about it - you can read it here ...

Benny Hinn - This Man Must be Stopped!

I am interested in what people have to say about the appeal itself and particularly interested in the opinions of US citizens on this kind of broadcasting.

Cindy Battye

Oh - I am totally with you! I think God has used him to minister to some people - but this 'send my $1k' and i'll pray for you thing is bull****.

Drives me crazy, wanna hit something kinda bull****.

Sad thing is that some desperate people are going to buy into this - and fund his next slicked over hairdo - and next fund pushing tv seminar. GRRR!!!

Kevin Birch

Hi

I'm a born again Christian, and VERY open to the signs and wonders of God, which include miraculous healings.

BUT, I do not know many born again Christians who agree with the Bennie Hinn method of doing anything - most people I know will quickly turn to another channel if this guy come on.

In our church (a very lively, Pentecostal, and LOUD church full of people younger than 30yrs old), we purposely move away from the 'cringe' factor because of the damage it can do to the mindsets of new people (either Christian or not) coming into the church.

So yes, I agree that Bennie Hinn should be stopped . . .

Kevin

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John Derrick

I have never understood the appeal of Benny Hinn.

He certainly isn't new... I remember waaaay back when Oral Roberts said God was going to kill him if he didn't raise so many millions of dollars (I forget the exact amount)....

and yes, he raised the money.

So there IS an appeal that strikes home with some people. I'd love to have someone explain that appeal to me.

It's so easy to see through that kind of stuff for most of us.

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Audrey Harvey

Good grief!!

I'm an atheist, and I think people like Benny Hinn should be jailed for fraud or theft. Isn't there some law against taking advantage of the feeble minded?

Audrey

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Edited to remove inadvertent double post.

Barry Davis

Benny Hinn is a complete charlatan and an embarrassment to all of us who call ourselves Christian.

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write-stuff

Actually, I don't think he did. But I guess God changed his mind and decided to let him live anyway.

Benny Hinn joins all the rest of the faith healers as charlatans. They never "heal" anything overt. It's always something that can't be measured. And plenty of studies have followed the "healed" after the service to discover that they weren't healed at all. (Now of course there are going to be documented cases of remision and spontaneous cures, but they are rare and statistically expected.)

Let's face it. If faith healing works, why can't they cure herpes and amputations? Are there certain conditions that are even too difficult for God to fix?

Mike McBride

Simple - this country (USA) is filled with simple-minded, poorly-educated people who believe in silly superstition. Just look at a couple posts in this thread - some people can't even think for themselves, but have to consult a two thousand year old book of fables for "guidance."

Grow up and grow a pair...

write-stuff

I'm sorry, Doug. I know you find solace in this, but the fact is that faith healing and praying do nothing more than what would be statistically expected. If clinging to this type of belief brings you joy, then by all means cling. And my best wishes to you.

People like Benny Hinn are predators, bilking the gullible for millions. I guess Robert Tilton is actually my favorite. He doesn't bother with all the touring. He runs his business much more efficiently.

Mike McBride

Oh my, I don't know if that's sad or scary. Check the calendar - it's 2008, not 208. The earth isn't flat, either, in case you hadn't noticed. I'd rather live in the here-and-now than in the superstitious never-was-and-never-will-be.

(Now you've done it, Michael - the villagers with their torches will be hunting you down and burning you at the stake, you heretic.)

Emailrevealer

Man I'm losing it. I though the thread was about Benny Hill. I thought the English comedian got saved and went on a Christian tv station.

I'm a former Evangilist with a traveling tent ministry on the NE of the US. I never accepted any money for it tho. I've met many very sincere Christians and also some that are in it for money and ego.
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I was simply being polite to you, Doug. These kinds of debates are entertaining, but ultimately futile. Circular reasoning at its finest.
Have a nice day.

Mike McBride

Ah, but you see that politeness is futile with those who've gulped the kool-aid. You just get condescension and insults in return - which is why I don't play that game with them.

This is exhibit A in how and why the religious right helped lead the U.S. down the garden path and into the abyss it finds itself right now.

John Derrick

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DougBarger

Hey it would only be sad or scary if you didn't know the truth.

But be of good cheer, you'll be happy to know it's neither sad nor scary since Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever.

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That guy is such a hypocrite. This is the same guy that was caught with an ear piece during ceremony with a lady in the rack room spitting out details about people. The same details that people filled out in prayer requests, and he was claiming to "feel" their needs and heal them.

Idiot. The sad part is that people fall for this everyday.

write-stuff

No, that was somebody Popoff (sp?). I remember it on 20/20. Sad to say, I saw him on TV just a few weeks ago, scamming people again. Seems like he was selling miracle bread or manna from heaven or some such nonesense.

People want to believe in magic so these guys find large flocks of suckers just waiting to buy their blessings with cash. Part of the human condition I suppose. I'd like to say they're getting what's coming to them, but I feel bad that they're being taken advantage of. Ignorance is no excuse to fleece someone.

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Steve Tuggle

Benny Hinn is NOT a Christian. Benny Hinn is a manifest false teacher. Benny Hinn is pitiful as are those who follow him.

clbnc

You are right about that Jesus character. He was dead yesterday, today, and forever.

The "myth" lives on though.

Chad

Chris Lockwood

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Chris Lockwood

That's your "polite" answer? I'd hate to see the impolite one.

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Rod Cortez

Benny Hinn was exposed on Dateline many, many years where they had shown him with multiple cars (one of them was a Rolls) and several mansions. He was also exposed on another weekly magazine show. They also caught the majority of the checks and letters that he claimed he read go straight to the bank. The letters were thrown away and never read. The fake healings were also caught on hidden camera.

Benny Hinn is one of the biggest scam artists of our time. Not my opinion but a documented fact. Even after he was outed, my father still watched him claiming he was still doing God's work. Un-freaking-believable. It's hard to remove the horse-blinds when they've been on for so long.

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Audrey Harvey

I'm not bitter, just bemused.

However I do get disappointed when my 6 and 8 year old children are told they can't join the "club" and play in the cubby house because they aren't Christian. What a "Christian" attitude to have. I dislike hypocrisy.

Audrey

Patrician

I am a born again Christian and With all due respect, Benny Hinn is the most oily snake I have ever seen - he literally makes my skin crawl.

Nearly as bad though not as 'successful' is Robert Tilton. I have actually seen his horns - no joke. Read up on this guy - he is a blatant scam artist who has bilked millions of people. A complete low-life.

I don't know what the answer to the riddle is, (why); I do know that Christ prophesied that the world won't believe Him, but will believe anti-Christ readily.

There is nothing more diabolical of all the evil in this world than these 'people' that prey on people, who although believers, have to be dim-witted to believe every false prophet. They forgot to get in the discernment line?

This is not to say I have never been fooled before by the 'let us prey' crowd in other ways - (trusting people because they said they were Christians, or feeling like I had to be 'good' and give people the benefit of the doubt) but for some reason I was blessed to see through these particular demons like Hinn and Tilton.

(and please don't bother with 'judge not lest ye be judged') as it is not applicable here. (resist the devil) God gave us a brain for something.

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Asher

This is the Mind Warriors forum and I believe that the threads
should be about how to be strong mentally?

I don't see how bashing a Christian minister can be a positive
influence to anyone reading this thread other than to stir up
hatred and contempt towards Benny Hinn.

It is out of the context of this forum.

It is against the rules of this forum.

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Asher

The Warrior Forum has an overriding rule, I'll quote it.

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Mike McBride

I didn't say it was my polite answer, but you're right - you don't want to see my impolite one.

Gotta love those all-encompassing statements. I could just as easily ask, then, "Why are theists always such simple-minded, bleating fools?" Or, "Why are their apologists always such obnoxious jerks?"

Hey, that is fun - I don't feel as bitter anymore!

aikay77

Mike McBride,

Be careful the way you refer ti the Bible as a 2000 year old book full of fables.

Doug,

I'm with you. Jesus Christ is King forever, and the same, yesterday, today and forever more. Amen.

Ronald.

P.S. As for Benny Hinn, I have nothing to say. The only thing I got to say is...no preacher, faith healer, or whoever can save your soul. Only you can do it...by trusting, believing and worshiping God till you're called home.

Will Edwards

Asher

lol - Benny Hinn is neither Warrior, Guru nor God!

Will

Asher

True, but what's the point of this thread?

There's no positive impact that this thread has anyway that
I look at it. All responses to this thread have not been
positive ones.

This is a forum about Self Improvement, Success, Empowering.
Not about why you disagree with what a Christian minister is
doing something like that.

Let the religious forums handle that. It's not needed here.

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write-stuff

Hi, Asher. Well, why don't you just skip this thread? If it offends you, there is no one forcing you to read it. I really don't think you should be telling others what they can/cannot discuss.

If you don't like it, just don't read it. Pretty simple solution.

Will Edwards

Hello Asher

You are entitled to your opinion of course, but perhaps I should again answer. This forum is about Self improvement as you say; and as such, it is rightly concerned with such matters as belief. What you are capable of, and what you are not capable of as a human being basically comes down to your belief system. There is absolutely no doubt that this is true.

The purpose of this thread was to ask what other people thought about the Benny Hinn broadcast; and, in particular, what US citizens felt about it. It has certainly been interesting to read those opinions including your own.

As for your question about positive impact, I believe this thread may indeed have a positive impact in the following ways ...

1. By alerting some people to the dangers of following such teaching - if it can properly be called teaching. Now that benefit is directly related to Personal Development.

2. By helping people to voice their individual opinions on a quite serious matter that appears to be hijacking the Christian message. Again completely related to the theme of material success, wealth and the pursuit of money.

3. By, in some small way, assisting China. Every $1000 not donated to the cause of taking this message to that country is $1000 better invested in my humble opinion.

I hope that explanation helps you to understand a little about my motivation in making the original post. It was not my intention to post further. I really wanted to see what others had to say on the subject, but your comments needed to be answered.

Will

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Asher

Hi Will,

There are various teachings around the world and it's only natural that some teachings conflict with others. Even Anthony Robbins had his share of that. If this thread was about a self-help guru and the things he teaches, there's nothing stopping the questioning of what he does in this forum as it is in context.

If you want to voice your concerns about what Benny Hinn is doing, wouldn't it be better addressed on the religious forums?

I really cannot see how there can be self improvement in this thread. If it was a thread purely about asking what people thought, I'd probably ignore it as write-stuff suggested. But the link to the blog entry in the beginning post isn't about alerting people to it - it's about "This man must be stopped!" and "Do not give this man your money!"

And THEN asking people what they think... the seed of discontent was planted from the very beginning.

How on earth is that personal development?

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Will Edwards

Hi Asher

I don't know what you think Personal Development actually is, but here is a definition from Wikipedia ...

Thus, I think that my post was not out of context.

Will

Asher

Thanks for that, Will. I didn't think to Wiki a definition for
Personal Development. Let's just agree to disagree for now.
(Don't start me up on the "arguing on the internet is like...")

I still don't think this thread proves to be helpful for anyone
at all other than to stir up disagreement towards a Christian
minister and the things that he do - for whatever reasons he
has.

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Will Edwards

Asher my friend, it has been a pleasure chatting to you. By the way, nice Blog you have there.

Good luck with it.

Will

Asher

Am always game for a friendly exchange of disagreements heh.
Thanks for the visit and compliment, you've got an even cooler
site than mine though

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ThomasW

Money grubbing charlatans are nothing new. Remember Jim and Tammy, Anal Roberts, Pat Robertson, Jiminy Swaggar, Jim Jones, James Dobson, and many,many more throughout time.

Television has been their playground for a long time. Before that, they were unknown to the general public except for their reality challenged followers.

Ther best way to handle these deceivers is for the federal goverment to TAX them!! That would end it for most of them.

TAX THE PREACHERS! Chase the money grubbers from the temple!

Seriously, if fools want to send money and beleive these are men, and women, of God it must be part of the Mystery!

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John Derrick

I wrote on my blog (see signature) about seeing a stage hypnotist perform in Cashmere Washington (at the fair of all places)

I was shocked to see him put people under by pointing at them or by swinging his hands... or just by making a noise with his mouth.

It looked EXACTLY like what Benny Hinn is doing.

One lady fell off the stage and it looked pretty painful, but he told her that she would not feel any pain, and then she didn't.

The power of the mind is amazing.

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John M Kane

Hi Will,

I appreciate you starting this thread and I have read several positive replies although Asher chose to generalize and said none were positive.

For myself this thread has impacted ME positively.

I've learned there is more discernment here than I originally expected.

I have noticed some Warriors are willing to express their faith openly.
That has had a positive impact on me. I am most happy to see that.

Personally I feel if solicitation of money is the "main" focus for a ministry then stay clear of that ministry.

There is a MAJOR problem in the world concerning Christians.
It has to do with the fact that anyone can state they are a Christian.

Well stating so, doesn't make it so.
You'll know them by their works is true. None are perfect as well. We fail daily to do good.
Personally I think most churches that signed the 501c3 contract with the government is no longer a place I would visit for instruction in salvation.

The 501c3 incorporated them and they must answer to the dictates of the government or face retribution.

I've stated elsewhere, the Bible must be studied. Few have read it.

There really is nothing else like it,nor has lasted so long in history.

Unfortunately, most people who reject it so strongly with such anger also probably have not read it. That isn't yanked out my behind as I ask people and if they are honest will often admit they have not read it much less studied it.
If it would be read, you could begin to understand why so many have died to defend it.

To make sense of our world we delete, distort and generalize what we see hear and feel.
Generalizing is mostly what racism is. Deleting the good that someone has done from one's memory can lead to hate. And we can distort the meaning of something by not having all the available facts to make a reasonable conclusion.

Bash my faith if you will, but to no avail, as I have faith and that means what you say or what you might do will NEVER change it.

I may fail daily,still I will continue to strive daily for we ALL will die some day and I do believe that THIS is NOT all there is.

My faith also means I do wish you well.

It doesn't make me so stupid that I will forever attempt to try and convince you to be a believer. For the Bible does say to shake the dust off your boots and move on.

The RULES of the forum were listed above as well and I feel no rules were broken on this thread.

What is obvious to me, agree or not, is some Warriors can't NOT be hyper emotional during debates.
One can clearly sense their anger if not their hate by there choice of words.

I challenge you all, me included, to please STOP and consider the effect your word choice has on us all. Before hitting the Post button.

If you really are a Warrior, to conquer your adversary, you must first conquer yourself(emotions).

Thanks again Will.

Techie Turtle

I'm wondering how some of you feel about Islam, Mohammed and the Koran? Is that a crock of lies too?

The 13th Warrior

Interesting stuff.

Him and people like him are really not the problem, an obstacle, yes, but not the problem.

The ultimate problem , evil, beast is within ourselves, look no further.

Be very careful what you wish for and pray for. People in one way, time or another eventually get our hearts desire/goal. Maybe not like we want it or when we want it, but we get it.

May not even realize we already got it. Or it will be not quite the way we pictured it or percieve it at all.

We usually get what we ask for. The evil leaders, governments, etc,. only represent what we are willing to tolerate. They only mirror our evil, though we percieve it not.

That's why no matter what time in history, or who the new leader, philosophy or way comes to fruition, the evil within comes to the fore.

Pick any one of us at random any where in the world, and maybe the 1st 3 months or so, we may try to do good. But then the power, money , ego, influence will pull out what was deep inside in the first place. These things do not corrupt; it removes fear of consequences so the REAL person can emerge. Most of us were always rotten, selfish, un-merciful, ego mannical , self-righteous, MOFO's with a God complex.

We justify everything we do as long as it flows toward the goal of our hearts true desire.

What I'm getting at is it really doesn't matter what THE TRUTH is, about anything. Proof, scientific evidence, historical documented fact, etc, are moot points if it does not congeal with our idea of what truth SHOULD be and congeal with our inner hearts goals.

We are supposed to desire truth irregardless of how horrible it is , who it hurts, what it hurts and condemns, as long is is scientifically measurable in the natural world.

People pray for protection, then a mangy dog barks in our path and we get steammed and curse fate. But that dog was possibly put there to steer you away from impending danger.

If we but paused, and focused as it says, " my sheep know my voice ", we should at least take a second to make sure our perception is accurate. That dog will prove that we are liars in our prayer and in what we ask for. Hypocrites. We ask for one thing with our lips, but our actions and heart are truley somewhere else.

If I am 700 lbs. and love chocolate and junk food, and some guy with a church, a doctor with a program, or a so-called science/new discipline says that I can do exactly what I want, and it is healthy and the possiblity of getting healthier doing pretty much what I always wanted to do anyway, I would summise that finally, the truth has been revealed and all detractors are arcane in their knowledge and will fight will feavor against them.

For instance, if it has no calories, its good. Be careful what you ask for...yeah, cake with no calories. But what else has no calories, salt, sugar and carbs?

How about rat poisin, dirt, sulfuric acid , industrial powdered waste like inorganic fluoride, a by product of aluminium production. Whatever we want, we will find it.

They bought politicians to unload garbage waste in our food and water we don't know about, make a profit and tell us it's good for us...even have some scientist publish crap to that effect.

Everyone is for sale.

That's how most of us go about defining and measuring truth. What we think it ought to be, not what it is.

Because when we want to get laid, get drunk, get entertained, get drugs, etc,. there is absolutely nothing stopping us from those goals.

But we seem to can't find what the truth is or where it is. A lie. We find what we are TRUELY looking for.

Benny is only a magnet that attracts like minded dross. If you define a miracle as magic, then he is your truth.

If you believe tinkerbell will put money under your pillow for a tooth, then you will seek any religion, philosophy or methodology that conforms to what you think truth should be.

There are persons that I percieve to be my mortal enemy, distasteful in every sense, but I will pause for a few seconds to make sure the answer and prayer I seek may come thru them, a bum, a dog, a child, someone mentally challenged, etc., it does not matter. No matter how bitter or what the taste.

Seek truth where ever and whoever the source it comes from, for the path toward the infinite cannot even begin without this serious character trait, where ever you or I may eventually go or even fail, it cannot start without this trait.

I can count on one hand , literally, in my life where I ran across people with earnest and seriousnes and with all out passion persue truth; they studied the bible and all it's versions, the torah, quran, buddism and making comparitive and scientific analysis in the natural and historic world, along with other philosophies. It did not matter how unpopular or distasteful it was percieved to be...they investigated, measured, compared and question with unbias and earnest. And they were usually on the journey alone. Just that fact alone , being solo in the journey, is enough for the majority say, " it's not for me, I'm out, even if it is the truth."

They would go to any church, synagogue etc., and take notes. They belonged to no church because they understood that the true temple is within.

Church , institutions is like school. Once you got the lesson , it is supposed to be time for you to move on, like a bird who grows wings and can fly on his own, like your parents when it's time for you to be grown and get your own place.

A righteous teacher in any discipline is only supposed to extract your natural talents/gifts and introduce you to yourself. He is supposed to teach you to be better than him, like your parents will do.

Then, he is supposed to get out of the way, where there is nothing and no one between you and your maker, a direct relationship.

If one has to keep coming back to the same classroom, school, class, church, mosque, priest, parents, politician, minister,etc,. then some one would say you are either remedial, slow, special needs education, mentally disabled or that institution and its teachers are criminally inept in their responsiblity as teachers and should find another trade, or prosecuted as frauds and mishandling and misabusing the most precious commodity in the universe.

Such crime is worthy of a death sentence. For they are producing and enabling incomplete and poisonous product in their station of the assembly line.

Truley educated in to start from nothing and build, be a producer, a job "maker", thats whats wrong with school and this economy..."be fruitful and multiply",....take what is here and make it better, truley, increase the good. Not to be some donkey on someone elses powerline to make him rich, and we waste away making a living instead of living. Wage slavery is still slavery.

A PhD, Bachelor degree, multiple degrees looking for a boss. Not educated, " Trained".

What we need to do for self improvement is so vast, we will be lucky to save ourselves. You will not be able to save anyone, as Lot tried to do. Could'nt even find ONE. As it was in the beginning, so shall it be in the end. Not only could he not save the city, he could not save his own wife.

If the Supreme Artchitect of the Universe with all his unequalled and yet to be comprehended power, wisdom and force would not even try to convince them to change, he knew they would not change , irregardless of the truth. He gave them and us the power of choice and we, whether most of us know it or not, have already pretty much made our decision, no matter what happens and what is proven or disproven.

And remember, he was God's chosen at that time and even HE had to run....so what does that say for those who are not even at his level?

One of the lessons here is no matter what the truth is, people are hardwired to their hearts desire, proof or no proof.

Very few of us are all about the truth, facts, brotherhood, sisterhood, true equality, true justice, true reciprocity, true peace, true sharing, true desire at wanting the best for a fellow man, truley the best at almost a fault, true love, caring, real impowerment of everyone, true freedom.

Peace= MY "piece".

Besides, their is more profit in confusion and chaos...peace and contentment equals less profit and markets. There always has to be a lacking, whether real or artifically induced. Very few can picture a world without commerce.... most of us believe it must be an ingredient in any civilization. We measure and model civilization by the past templates of history, which after Adam , are woefully derelect.

At our very best, if there were no more argument, undeniable proof, fact, evidence, science that what we DO NOT like or want is the truth, we would say, " yeah, ok, you got it, but I'm still going to exercise my life style and desires, anyhow.....I just can't do that."

There are many sects just within ONE religion, and how many are trying to get them all together to find out either who has best wisdom or piece it all together? Cause its all about power, cash and monopolizing resources.

Even the few so-called world conference of religions and/or sects within a particular religion or philosophy are disingenuious. Supposed to be like scientist, dispassionate and humble to what the natural truth is, getting to the bottom line, genuinely coming to a consensus of the best wisdom, so everyone can get closer to the real , tangible truth of the universe, not postering and displaying academic bravado ,ego, power games, intellectual positioning for accolatedes and recognition and other sick desires and agendas.

That's also why it keeps saying 13 disciples. Disciples, TRUE followers in heart, mind , desire, dreams and action. Sure, people applauded, listened, and said amen, and you're right when he taught, maybe even hung out and hung around and attended a good number of surmons, but still only have 13 disciples.

Most of us will and already have chosen Barrabus.

Over and over, the chosen few survive, and the rest of us are proven hypocrites, two-faced and liars.

The 13 th Warrior

The 13th Warrior

Something else to consider.

Like the false science , among many false sciences, of Magic. One science of Deception. To decieve your physical eye. We KNOW it's a trick, but if someone put a gun to our head and try to make us figure out how they did it, we would all be dead.

So imagine such science applied to other disciplines......and we don't even KNOW it's a trick or magic show being performed, smoke and mirrors, for instance, like politics. True brotherhood , sincere love negates such a word or science of such to exist, politics.

Your infant cries of hunger, you feed it. No posturing ,negotiations , weighing of deals and finding who is more deserving.

First, there is a Benny in every science, politics, philosophy, discipline and what have you, interwoven in educational doctrines and implementation of any practice and other things.

Benny is whatever he is. But look at the multitudes that follow him and support him. That is the scariest of all.

They are probably like us, all walks of life , skills and trades. Benny would not be Benny without them feeding his power. There's no power one has to convince them otherwise, save Divine plagues.

Also, Benny, his followers and the like are easy to spot and pick on, like an example in any discipline.

But the trick is to spot the not-so-easy stuff and people or things WE follow and feed power to.

Things WE define as LEGITAMITE and respectful.

They should be an example and mirror for our own, personal introspection.

I used to drive and see someone in the evening or night driving without his headlights on and say, " look at that idiot, don't know how to drive", but several times I looked down and found that I , the "other" idiot, did not have MY headlights on.

Since then, when I percieve fault in something or someone else, I IMMEDIATELY investigate myself with a microscope and magnifying glass and concentrate on my misgivings.....the person or thing I percieved is no longer an issue or of focus, only a wake up call, a forecast of MY future if I do not check myself.

Most of us are un-able or un-willing to do that, because of course, we are better than those stupid people, right?

Limitations of the (physical) is like the eye. Mechanically designed to look outward , but never inward.

The 13 th Warrior

The 13th Warrior

How evil is evil.

How hardwired are we in our choice?

Why things will continue to move in it's current direction, no matter what the forecast says?

Like the so-called lowly, unimportant guy in the crow's nest of the Titanic who warned, twice, to the Captain of impending danger and the Captain said not even God himself will stop this ship( the most technically advanced,biggest and most powerful of its time) from its scheduled course.

Not even the ship, the Morning Starliner or NorthStar liner previously was learned from.

If you dug up Pharoh, Ceaser, Hitler, Niccademus, King of Babylon, etc., give them life and existance again and gave them hundreds of more chances, the only difference is that they would be be more skilled in carrying out there deception and wickedness, and would probably give a little more mercy, ONLY to slightly extend their rule and get slightly more time from God's wrath.

Most of us are not much different.

Look in the mirror and make sure there's no Benny in you.

If you say there is none, it's almost a guarantee you have failed in the start of an attempt to start to change the world , starting from one's self.

The 13 th Warrior

clbnc

It stems from the same mythology as Hinn's nonsense. Enough said.

I get turned off really fast when I hear/read about those that claim to be/have "The Truth". I really wish that those that claim to have the truth would finally figure out what it is. Several thousand years later and it is still incompatible claims of nonsense. Enough already...

Chad

Patrician

'Let those that have eyes see'.

Because you are blind you are making a huge assumption that what you can't see is not true.

Maybe we can't prove what we know is true, but you also can't prove it isn't true.

We will ALL see - one way or the other...

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clbnc

Ahhh, the "argument from ignorance".
Argument from ignorance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That didn't take long.

Not to mention, the blatant contradiction of yourself. The context that I and a few others are taking "true" to include, is "proven". For something to be "true" it must be "proven". You are conflating "true" with "believe".

Please, in all seriousness, stop trying to convince people like myself that this nonsense is anything other than nonsense.

Like I stated in my previous post, the people who believe this nonsense have had several thousand years and still have failed miserably to demonstrate which one, if one even is, true. This is a miserable failure.

Chad