the flaw in the law of attraction...

Li Weng · 12-08-2008, 06:29 PM

One obvious flaw is that it can't really explain why some babies are born with severe diseases. Surely they did not attract those things with their thoughts while they were in the womb.

And how does the law of attraction explain death?

Loren Woirhaye · 12-10-2008, 10:49 AM

People will disagree of course -

Li, the Law Of Attraction is a pseudoscientific theory and
a marketing ploy.

Some people use belief in the theory as a way to motivate themselves
toget things done.

Of course how you think influences your experience in life
but the theory that somehow thought-forms can be used attract
wealth, etc.... is pretty far out.

It is very, very possible to get all the results the LOA hype
promises without devoting any mental energy to practicing it.
That's because the LOA is a "belief system" - like a religion.
Some people need such a thing to take action, other people
do not.

MaskedMarketer · 12-10-2008, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Li Weng

One obvious flaw is that it can't really explain why some babies are born with severe diseases. Surely they did not attract those things with their thoughts while they were in the womb.

And how does the law of attraction explain death?

Some say because of what they did in past lives there energy will reincarnate for that particular experience.

Seems far out, right? Some people believe, some don't. Some people have spiritual beliefs, some don't.

I believe in evolution on every level.

The LOA has truth in it and some stuff is derived from hypnosis- but the way its marketed can be deceiving..

blackscorpion · 12-10-2008, 11:51 AM

It is what you believe it is. I believe in natural laws and showing gratitude while giving, speaking , acting and living in such away that vibrates positively with what it is I desire. It helps to make it my reality.

mojojuju · 12-10-2008, 12:11 PM

A marketing ploy?

That's something new.

Fake testimonials are a marketing ploy.

"Buy ONE get ONE FREE" while doubling all product prices is a marketing ploy.

If the law of attraction is a marketing ploy that can increase sales, then I want to learn more about it.

mojojuju · 12-10-2008, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaskedMarketer

- but the way its marketed can be deceiving..

Good point. It's important to distinguish something from the hype that surrounds it.

mojojuju · 12-10-2008, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Li Weng

One obvious flaw is that it can't really explain why some babies are born with severe diseases.

Do any fetuses know how to use the law of attraction?

Theaccidentalexpert · 12-10-2008, 01:12 PM

I think that maybe we come back to learn certain lessons until there are no more lessons we have to learn -- maybe that's where the babies LOA comes in. Maybe they are only here for a short time because they are at the end of their (learning) journey and are nearly complete.

The only sure thing is that no one alive has the sure answer. But we'll all find out sooner or later.

James Clark · 12-10-2008, 04:35 PM

Yeah, There aren’t any words in the English language to explain what hype is. But, I know it it when I see it. We make decisions with the "Automatic Mind" and that is all that I'm interested in. Getting people to make a "unplanned decision"

Jimmy.

J.Knight · 12-10-2008, 07:57 PM

This is why I believe the 'Law' of Attraction is only a 'Law' as far as the fact that when people think and act positively, their life will be the better for it.

The mumbo-jumbo of vizualization works because it gives people focus they didn't have before, making them more successful. How anyone can honestly believe that 'the universe' draws the things you vizualize into your life, is beyond me.

JK

James Clark · 12-10-2008, 08:32 PM

Most of them don't know what is happening in the world. People believe in Dreams. Did you ever notice that when you Daydream you feel relaxed inside. You could even take a 15 minute nap, and wake up refreshed, and ready to go.

They buy Dreams, over and over again. It's okay if it makes you get up and do something, that's the key.

Over the years, Daydreaming has been giving a bad rap. They label it as unproductive time, and a waste. Sometimes, when I'm working, and thinking about all the stuff that I have to do, just stop and Daydream about places, people, and things. Take a quick power nap, and then I'm full of energy. Also, in a better mood.

If you want to be successful, just give up TV.

Jimmy.

Bayo · 12-10-2008, 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Li Weng

One obvious flaw is that it can't really explain why some babies are born with severe diseases. Surely they did not attract those things with their thoughts while they were in the womb.

And how does the law of attraction explain death?

Babies

I don't think the Law Of Attraction attempts to explain 'every scenario' that exists in the world. Infact, one of the major premises is that you don't have to believe it for it to be true.

Like the Law Of Gravity.

A simple explanation for the baby question could be that what happens today is not a result of ... today's activities. Certain things took place ahead of the baby being born that ended up creating the result.

One definition (and I am not seeking to convince anyone with different views by the way) for this could simply be that the parents of the child had focused so intensely on not wanting their baby to be born with a severe disease that they attracted the very thing into their life.

You Define or By Default?

Now I must say that if you don't believe that you create your own destiny by your own thoughts and feelings, ie. you believe you are a subject to whatever happens to be going on at time , then this won't make sense.

Whatever a person spends the good majority of their time focusing on becomes their strongest 'attraction reference'. Whether a person chooses to own their life or leave it to something else is a choice either way.

Focusing on the 'don't wants' attracts that and its no different in the case of attracting a baby with a severe illness. Whether we know this or not, whether we accept it or not...it applies.

Death

The Law Of Attraction does not 'explain' death. This is another area where people tend to get confused.

It seeks to explain a simple concept that drives more things than we understand. People are the ones who try to hang their hats on it and refer to it as the be all and end all because its easier that way.

So, am I saying that it is everything?

No, but it is one of the most important universal laws to understand.

jh.consultants · 12-11-2008, 02:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Theaccidentalexpert

I think that maybe we come back to learn certain lessons until there are no more lessons we have to learn -- maybe that's where the babies LOA comes in. Maybe they are only here for a short time because they are at the end of their (learning) journey and are nearly complete.

The only sure thing is that no one alive has the sure answer. But we'll all find out sooner or later.

I'm just dyin' here. I love the title of your book. I am presently battered 'n bleedin' from my sojourn thru the Jungle of Love.

Best of Luck.

jh.consultants · 12-11-2008, 04:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Li Weng

One obvious flaw is that it can't really explain why some babies are born with severe diseases. Surely they did not attract those things with their thoughts while they were in the womb.

And how does the law of attraction explain death?

Hi Li...I'm happy to shed some light here, as this is one of my areas of expertise.

You are correct. Babies do not 'attract' severe diseases at birth, or in the womb. The attraction of the disease in a youngling is most likely the LOA responding to the parent(s) vibration, not the baby's. It is possible a previous incarnation could carry forward such an attraction, too. But, because this is so; in either case, in no way negates or illustrates any flaw in the Law of Attraction.

With regard to LOA and death. That is simply apples and oranges. Birth and Death, is the natural order of things. It is the progressive cycle of the living, human experience. We are spiritual beings, using a human mechanism to express ourselves on this earthal plane. When the body breaks down, and the spirit passes on...literally, there is just a bag of bones left. Dust to dust...that is in the cards for all of us. Nothing to do with the LOA.

spidey2306 · 12-11-2008, 07:11 AM

I read a great explanation to how the LOA works by Tom Venuto the guy who created "Burn the fat, feed the muscle". He said that our brains have a very attuned filtering system that brings certain things to our concious attention and ignores others. Without out this filter we would probably all go mad from too much input.

If you remember tha last time there were construnction workers outside your office or home and the awful noise of the drills. After a while you start ignoring the drills and barely notice they're there. That's you brains filter at work.

Basically what Tom is saying is that if we focus on something say like losing weight then every input we get in our daily lives that is related to losing weight we will notice straight away becasue it is related to our current focus. That is our filter at work.

So everytime you see an article in the newspaper or a blog post or anything related to losing weight you will notice it and focus on it. If you keep doing this eventually you will find something or someone that will actually help you lose weight.

So after continuously searching for how to lose weight I come to a forum with people who all have the same goal then this could be the way that I end up losing weight.
He explains it better than I can but I hope you guys got the jist of what I'm saying.

FitJerk · 12-11-2008, 03:18 PM

It's not that the baby attracted those thoughts... when it was INSIDE the womb, the mother could have possibly attracted such negativity and passed it on to her child as defects.

the baby and the mother share a pretty deep connection so I don't see why negative energy could not be passed on.

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James Clark Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: USA Posts: 618 Thanks: 25 Thanked 86 Times in 74 Posts Social Networking	Re: the flaw in the law of attraction... Yeah, There aren’t any words in the English language to explain what hype is. But, I know it it when I see it. We make decisions with the "Automatic Mind" and that is all that I'm interested in. Getting people to make a "unplanned decision" Jimmy.
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J.Knight HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Oz Posts: 241 Thanks: 6 Thanked 30 Times in 16 Posts Social Networking	Re: the flaw in the law of attraction... This is why I believe the 'Law' of Attraction is only a 'Law' as far as the fact that when people think and act positively, their life will be the better for it. The mumbo-jumbo of vizualization works because it gives people focus they didn't have before, making them more successful. How anyone can honestly believe that 'the universe' draws the things you vizualize into your life, is beyond me. JK
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James Clark Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: USA Posts: 618 Thanks: 25 Thanked 86 Times in 74 Posts Social Networking	Re: the flaw in the law of attraction... Most of them don't know what is happening in the world. People believe in Dreams. Did you ever notice that when you Daydream you feel relaxed inside. You could even take a 15 minute nap, and wake up refreshed, and ready to go. They buy Dreams, over and over again. It's okay if it makes you get up and do something, that's the key. Over the years, Daydreaming has been giving a bad rap. They label it as unproductive time, and a waste. Sometimes, when I'm working, and thinking about all the stuff that I have to do, just stop and Daydream about places, people, and things. Take a quick power nap, and then I'm full of energy. Also, in a better mood. If you want to be successful, just give up TV. Jimmy.
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spidey2306 Warrior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: London, UK Posts: 12 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: the flaw in the law of attraction... I read a great explanation to how the LOA works by Tom Venuto the guy who created "Burn the fat, feed the muscle". He said that our brains have a very attuned filtering system that brings certain things to our concious attention and ignores others. Without out this filter we would probably all go mad from too much input. If you remember tha last time there were construnction workers outside your office or home and the awful noise of the drills. After a while you start ignoring the drills and barely notice they're there. That's you brains filter at work. Basically what Tom is saying is that if we focus on something say like losing weight then every input we get in our daily lives that is related to losing weight we will notice straight away becasue it is related to our current focus. That is our filter at work. So everytime you see an article in the newspaper or a blog post or anything related to losing weight you will notice it and focus on it. If you keep doing this eventually you will find something or someone that will actually help you lose weight. So after continuously searching for how to lose weight I come to a forum with people who all have the same goal then this could be the way that I end up losing weight. He explains it better than I can but I hope you guys got the jist of what I'm saying.
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