What are YOU thinking?

tomw · 01-08-2009, 07:11 PM

We only get so many thanks per day, so I just want to write to thank everyone that took part in this thread. It's been a *real* education and I genuinely have read some really valuable stuff.

Thomas

InternetMoneyStream · 01-08-2009, 07:28 PM

To relate this to IM, try blinking your eyes while thinking about CPM and conversion rates vs. a CPA network check and imagine how you will spend it.

This works pretty well.

AuctionExecutive · 01-08-2009, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Okay, my wife just came home and we conducted a test.

Take what you want out of it.

I told her to look at the picture turning. I asked her what direction she saw
it turning in. I saw it left to right. She said the same thing.

I then said to her, okay, when you see the picture change direction to right
to left, yell "now". I'll do the same.

Each time the picture changed direction we both yelled now at the same
time.

The picture is changing the way it is bouncing, rotating or whatever you
want to call it. We did this for 5 minutes, each time successfully telling
when the picture changed direction.

Either are brains are connected or there is some actual random programming
to this photo.

Like I said, take what you want out of it.

My wife and I did this test too. At first, we both saw the picture go clockwise.

Within seconds, she noticed it go anticlockwise. I, on the other hand, did not see any change in direction for at least over a minute.

Lesley Huntley · 01-08-2009, 11:06 PM

I had been looking at it for a few minutes seeing it turn nothing but clockwise. My partner walked in and I asked him which way it was spinning for him. He said clockwise. We watched for a few seconds and he said "Woah it just changed! Is it anti-clockwise for you now?" "No," I replied. For him it seemed to flip back and forth seemingly randomly. It was only the fact I was looking at the same picture that he could believe it wasn't doing it by itself.

Yet no matter what I do, I can't get her to spin any other way but clockwise.

I'm very much the girl of a million ideas and strategies (too many, part of my problem), and like a previous poster, not so good at implementing. He quite often takes on my discarded projects and makes them work quite well.

Quite fascinating, now, back to trying to make her spin the other way. I must see this to believe it! He better not have been tricking me!!

Mike Long · 01-08-2009, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BSM

I'm thinking that RT brained individuals might come up with new concepts & services, while the LT brained folks would be the better implementers. Any comments?

Barbara,

This has been my problem for years.

I have too many ideas, too many blueprints. I never stop coming up with new concepts, new approaches, and new angles. I'm a dreamer, a big picture guy. I can create an entire 5-year plan in my mind in a matter of minutes.

Implementation on the other hand.....

The one time in my life that I managed to completely put together one of my plans, it earned a healthy 6-figures over it's 17 month run, so I know that some of my ideas are bound to be sound and not just some pie in the sky fantasy.

It's funny what comes into your life when you begin to accept yourself for who you are instead of constantly battling to try and be someone you're not....

Right about the time I realized that it might be beneficial for me to team up with a more logical, left-brained, implementer type, an old friend whom I hadn't heard from in quite some time contacted me.

Our strengths complement each other perfectly, so I'm very hopeful that we will be able to work together on a project and ultimately create a better product together then either of us could separately.

If you find yourself to be extremely dominant one way or the other, considering partnering with someone you can trust whose skills are the complete opposite of yours. It ultimately benefits both you and your customers, since you ultimately provide them with better service and a better product in the end.

~Mike

ExRat · 01-09-2009, 04:20 AM

Hi Paul,

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That the benefit of the second would be different for you is a matter of perspective

Well, I can't argue with that. Damn. Next...

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Seriously, I believe we're talking about "alikeness" from different angles. I mean something very much at the root of what we all want and need. The surface stuff is, lergely, a matter of how we choose to go about getting it.

I see - very true. But I'm still not sure that the major benefit for me is that it makes me like people more. Perhaps it helps me to dislike them less.

No, seriously, if we consider what this is -

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what we all want and need

...then I think that as I become a little wiser, I realised that I was previously a mindless drone, endlessly seeking those things/that thing ('it') in a way that probably ensured that I wouldn't get 'it'. Actually stopping to consider these things, was a breakthrough moment for me

.

And the next breakthrough was realising that once I got 'it' from myself, before seeking 'it' from others, and steered a path through life that was designed to further that aim, I would become more self-sufficient, less likely to be derailed by others and interestingly, more able to get 'it' from others as well.

Sidenote - I don't want to be a wombat, but I presume 'lergely' is a rare Myers typo of 'largely'? I only ask because (

) I occasionally right click to dictionary.com when reading your writing - although more often via a pdf, than from the forum.

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When we see how people go after what they want, we can more easily see where their approaches will conflict with our own

Or as it applies to dating, understanding which way the lady spins

Hi AuctionExec,

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My wife and I did this test too. At first, we both saw the picture go clockwise.

Within seconds, she noticed it go anticlockwise. I, on the other hand, did not see any change in direction for at least over a minute.

It's worth noting that females always pay a different kind of attention to other females. Particularly when their nipples are visible, and their husband is looking.

Hi Mike,

Great point. But for those who don't end up partnering with others, simply use your theory and pay particular attention to friends who have a different perspective, and ask them leading questions designed to get them to spill their opinion on the subject at hand, and treat their feedback like the 'holy grail' - (don't let the ni-sayers get in your way

)

naonline · 01-09-2009, 04:55 AM

Awesome thread. 100% clockwise but I think I know how to get some balance!

So which IM tasks are best suited left side and right side?

ExRat · 01-09-2009, 05:17 AM

Hi,

Just wondering, but did many people replying here follow this link -

NeuroLogica Blog Left Brain - Right brain and the Spinning Girl

...and read this -

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This news article, like many others, ignores the true source of this optical illusion and instead claims it is a quick test to see if you use more of your right brain or left brain. This is utter nonsense, but the “right-brain/left brain” thing is in the public consciousness and won’t be going away anytime soon. Sure, we have two hemispheres that operate fine independently and have different abilities, but they are massively interconnected and work together as a seamless whole (providing you have never had surgery to cut your corpus callosum).

We also do have hemispheric dominance, but that determines mostly your handedness and the probability of language being on the right or the left. There is also often asymmetry for memory, with some being right or left hemisphere dominant. But none of this means that your personality or abilities are more right brain or left brain. That much is nonsense.

Further, how your visual cortex constructs this optical illusion says nothing about your hemispheric dominance, and is absolutely not a quick personality profile.

tomw · 01-09-2009, 08:25 AM

Hi Roger,

Yes...I knew that the use of the image as a left/right brain test (and many news stories surrounding it) was wholly redundant. I used the widespread tabloid pop psychology angle to draw people in. Like I said in my reply to you, I was really interested in people's responses (and again as previously stated) in order to compound the message about perspectives. Also out of sheer curiosity concerning how people perceive themselves!

When Paul M posted the "truth" I replied,

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We make our own reality and react accordingly, based upon how we perceive the world around us!

This was the real message I was trying to get across and Paul Myers encapsulated and expanded it much more eloquently than I ever could when he wrote;

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Most perspective is subjective, and that causes some people a big problem. It's about understanding the role of experience in how we interpret things, and knowing just how often those interpretations can be completely wrong. Take this as a lesson in the mutability of perception. Understanding just how much of our daily experience is a matter of how we choose to look at things is a liberating lesson.

For me, the most useful parts of figuring out that perspective is malleable were learning to adjust my own and to see those of others.

Your input was (as always) invaluable too.

In light of a recent kerfuffle I was involved in concerning mindset and self help products, I thought this would be a far better way (or should that be simply a Thomas way?) of showing people that their own subjective perspective really does create their reality.

I thought it a more valuable and much more self-educational exercise to give people their own "aha!" or eureka!" moment rather than telling them that they can have anything that they want if they just ask the universe for it, for example!

Like I wrote in that discussion, nobody can motivate anyone else. We all have to do it for ourselves. I hope this practical example, rather than generalised rhetoric, has been of value in achieving this end.

Thanks to Sean (IM Reporter) for the inspiration.

[Disclaimer: No neurons where harmed during this experiment, although I hope that many millions of them have had to work a little harder...and hereafter will continue to do so.]

Thomas

bobsstuff · 01-09-2009, 10:03 AM

That is amazing. I glanced at the post and looked at the girl and she was going clockwise. Then I went back and actually read what you had to say about her and why she was posted and this time she was spinning counterclockwise.

Now I need to read the whole tread and see other's replies.

mello · 01-09-2009, 12:41 PM

Research in neuroscience and neuropyschology is changing what we thought of the brain. If you sufer brain damage young enough your brain can retrain itself to run function in different areas and compensate. Bit of a bummer if you get brain damage later in life though.

While the spinning girl may not be scientifically valid, Tom's intent and purpose was validated. Still, things like this always get us in - maybe the fact she changes direction so much (my perception) reflects how scattered my brain is!!
[IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/NATURA%7E1/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot-2.jpg[/IMG]
Thanks for the diversion, Tom. :-) [IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/NATURA%7E1/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot-1.jpg[/IMG]

GrantFreeman · 01-09-2009, 04:05 PM

Steve,

Technically, the picture doesn't move at all. The black pixels just change places with the white ones.

It also might help to realize that you're not really 'looking' with your eyes. In fact, you're "looking" with the sum of what your right hemisphere and left hemisphere come up with.

In other words, it's your mind that actually "sees" things. In this case, the pixels change, while your left brain tries to direct what it sees , and gives this information to the right brain and back to your visual cortex (where all this information came from)

If the left brain wasn't involved in directing this process, the image would not look like it's turning at all.

Confused yet?

TomW,

like in Madonna Vogue? Na. I can't. My left brain won't allow it!

Grant

creative producer · 01-09-2009, 07:44 PM

I could only see her going counterclockwise, so I guess I'm not as brain flexible as I thought I was. That was bit of a let down. This did remind me to put back the 2nd cupcake, though, so thanks for that! -CP

DynamicMentalFitness · 01-09-2009, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Very clever Tom.

I reloaded the thread multiple times because the first time the picture
was definitely moving the left leg from left to right.
Upon subsequent reloads, I noticed that on a few, the picture actually
changed rotations in the middle, going from right to left and then left to right.
So in actuality, this picture does both.
It's not an optical illusion and it isn't either a matter of perception. The
figure actually does change rotations.
To see it clearly, keep your eye planted not on the leg that's turning but
on the foot that is planted on the floor.
I think if we could examine the code for this, we will see that it does in
fact change rotation.

Good take and analysis, Steve.

I saw the same thing you saw right out the box because as a rational human being I know that my subjective visual insistencies do not determine the actual nature of an object.

Certainly, I understand the spirit and fuzzy intent, but Rationality and Reason is superior to merely buying into assumption for sentimentality's sake.

The graphic has absolutely NOTHING to do with - nor is one's interpretation of the graphic a predictor of - one's decision-making habits or tendencies.

I know it buggers some otherwise cuddly folk, but humanity isn't led out of the cave into the bright and shiny world - past the frightening, inhibiting shadows of superstition and delusion - by mentalities that accept every facade presented them as gospel.

No, humanity is ushered into the brightness (and out of the dark ages) by minds that question and test and demand verification - minds that prod and poke and irritate the comfort of precedent - minds like your own.

Give 'em hell, my friend.

Good job.

Christie Love · 01-09-2009, 11:47 PM

Cool. I only see the girl moving clockwise.

ExRat · 01-10-2009, 02:44 AM

Hi dynamicmentalfitness,

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Good take and analysis, Steve.

I saw the same thing you saw right out the box because as a rational human being I know that my subjective visual insistencies do not determine the actual nature of an object.

Certainly, I understand the spirit and fuzzy intent, but Rationality and Reason is superior to merely buying into assumption for sentimentality's sake.

The graphic has absolutely NOTHING to do with - nor is one's interpretation of the graphic a predictor of - one's decision-making habits or tendencies.

I know it buggers some otherwise cuddly folk, but humanity isn't led out of the cave into the bright and shiny world - past the frightening, inhibiting shadows of superstition and delusion - by mentalities that accept every facade presented them as gospel.

No, humanity is ushered into the brightness (and out of the dark ages) by minds that question and test and demand verification - minds that prod and poke and irritate the comfort of precedent - minds like your own.

Give 'em hell, my friend.

Interesting, but I disagree. It seems you have missed something.

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humanity isn't led out of the cave into the bright and shiny world - past the frightening, inhibiting shadows of superstition and delusion - by mentalities that accept every facade presented them as gospel.

If Steven had maintained an open mind, once he found himself unwilling to accept the illusion, fine. But he actually jumped to an incorrect conclusion which was -

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It's not an optical illusion and it isn't either a matter of perception. The figure actually does change rotations.

Therefore he was completely incorrect. And many of us (who bothered to read the thread, and therefore the accompanying text which explained that it was nonsense to draw conclusions about being left sided or right sided) proved quite adequately that we do not accept 'every facade presented as gospel.'

tomw · 01-10-2009, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DynamicMentalFitness

Good take and analysis, Steve.

I saw the same thing you saw right out the box because as a rational human being I know that my subjective visual insistencies do not determine the actual nature of an object.

Certainly, I understand the spirit and fuzzy intent, but Rationality and Reason is superior to merely buying into assumption for sentimentality's sake.

The graphic has absolutely NOTHING to do with - nor is one's interpretation of the graphic a predictor of - one's decision-making habits or tendencies.

I know it buggers some otherwise cuddly folk, but humanity isn't led out of the cave into the bright and shiny world - past the frightening, inhibiting shadows of superstition and delusion - by mentalities that accept every facade presented them as gospel.

No, humanity is ushered into the brightness (and out of the dark ages) by minds that question and test and demand verification - minds that prod and poke and irritate the comfort of precedent - minds like your own.

Give 'em hell, my friend.

Good job.

...like I said, some people's responses have been interesting...

GrantFreeman · 02-17-2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Christie Love

Cool. I only see the girl moving clockwise.

That just means you're weird.

Grant

Lucio · 02-18-2009, 12:32 PM

There's a magic land that exists in parallel with our world. People there dwell for a cause and their lives are so fulfilling. I am thinking that having a good time rocks the craddle.

Cynergy Diva · 02-23-2009, 06:47 PM

Well, I couldn't get her to change direction, but she did jump. . .what does that mean?

Vincelog · 02-23-2009, 11:04 PM

I can't picture it to spin left. Any help?

Vincent
Personal Development Blogger

rbest · 02-23-2009, 11:28 PM

This is awesome. I can't seem to comprehend her turning though. Good graphic. Ooops, now I see it. Want to dance or play mind games? Now I see it the other way and it makes me wonder if I have a half a brain.

Thanks it is great.

Jonathan 2.0 · 02-23-2009, 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Very clever Tom.

I reloaded the thread multiple times because the first time the picture
was definitely moving the left leg from left to right.

Upon subsequent reloads, I noticed that on a few, the picture actually
changed rotations in the middle, going from right to left and then left to right.

So in actuality, this picture does both.

It's not an optical illusion and it isn't either a matter of perception. The
figure actually does change rotations.

To see it clearly, keep your eye planted not on the leg that's turning but
on the foot that is planted on the floor.

I think if we could examine the code for this, we will see that it does in
fact change rotation.

Nope. It's an optical illusion. Unless there's a computer that is wired up to my brain. I can make it spin any direction I want at any time I want. The part where the leg changes is your brain perceiving it to spin the other way.

That or it actually does change as well as being an optical illusion.

Jonathan 2.0 · 02-23-2009, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Vincelog

I can't picture it to spin left. Any help?

Vincent
Personal Development Blogger

You have to concentrate on which direction you want it to go when the image has it's side to you and focus on the outstretched leg rotating in the opposite direction.

WasabiHound · 02-24-2009, 11:56 PM

Right side...no wait left side...no wait right side....aww crap.

What do you do when the girl is not spinning at all?

Seriously though - great post TomW. Challenging to try to work out which part our head we might be using at any one time and that in fact one could dominate and drive us one way or how much potential we could unlock by using both.

I thought being left handed my right side would dominate but actually it flips round quite quickly. (Which probably means I can't make up my mind at all).

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Lesley Huntley New Mummy Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Zealand Posts: 402 Thanks: 37 Thanked 23 Times in 15 Posts Social Networking	Re: What are YOU thinking? I had been looking at it for a few minutes seeing it turn nothing but clockwise. My partner walked in and I asked him which way it was spinning for him. He said clockwise. We watched for a few seconds and he said "Woah it just changed! Is it anti-clockwise for you now?" "No," I replied. For him it seemed to flip back and forth seemingly randomly. It was only the fact I was looking at the same picture that he could believe it wasn't doing it by itself. Yet no matter what I do, I can't get her to spin any other way but clockwise. I'm very much the girl of a million ideas and strategies (too many, part of my problem), and like a previous poster, not so good at implementing. He quite often takes on my discarded projects and makes them work quite well. Quite fascinating, now, back to trying to make her spin the other way. I must see this to believe it! He better not have been tricking me!!

01-09-2009, 04:55 AM	#107
naonline Nick Arthur War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The original Perth (Scotland) Posts: 436 Thanks: 80 Thanked 42 Times in 32 Posts	Re: What are YOU thinking? Awesome thread. 100% clockwise but I think I know how to get some balance! So which IM tasks are best suited left side and right side?

01-09-2009, 10:03 AM	#110
bobsstuff Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: So Calif USA. Posts: 1,836 Thanks: 173 Thanked 56 Times in 36 Posts	Re: What are YOU thinking? That is amazing. I glanced at the post and looked at the girl and she was going clockwise. Then I went back and actually read what you had to say about her and why she was posted and this time she was spinning counterclockwise. Now I need to read the whole tread and see other's replies.
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mello HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Down Under - Australia Posts: 143 Thanks: 20 Thanked 18 Times in 18 Posts	Re: What are YOU thinking? Research in neuroscience and neuropyschology is changing what we thought of the brain. If you sufer brain damage young enough your brain can retrain itself to run function in different areas and compensate. Bit of a bummer if you get brain damage later in life though. While the spinning girl may not be scientifically valid, Tom's intent and purpose was validated. Still, things like this always get us in - maybe the fact she changes direction so much (my perception) reflects how scattered my brain is!! [IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/NATURA%7E1/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot-2.jpg[/IMG] Thanks for the diversion, Tom. :-) [IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/NATURA%7E1/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot-1.jpg[/IMG]

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GrantFreeman Freeman Creations War Room Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Somewhere next to a desert cactus, USA. Posts: 1,078 Blog Entries: 6 Thanks: 273 Thanked 62 Times in 37 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: What are YOU thinking? Steve, Technically, the picture doesn't move at all. The black pixels just change places with the white ones. It also might help to realize that you're not really 'looking' with your eyes. In fact, you're "looking" with the sum of what your right hemisphere and left hemisphere come up with. In other words, it's your mind that actually "sees" things. In this case, the pixels change, while your left brain tries to direct what it sees , and gives this information to the right brain and back to your visual cortex (where all this information came from) If the left brain wasn't involved in directing this process, the image would not look like it's turning at all. Confused yet? TomW, like in Madonna Vogue? Na. I can't. My left brain won't allow it! Grant

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rbest Warrior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What are YOU thinking? This is awesome. I can't seem to comprehend her turning though. Good graphic. Ooops, now I see it. Want to dance or play mind games? Now I see it the other way and it makes me wonder if I have a half a brain. Thanks it is great.

02-24-2009, 11:56 PM	#125
WasabiHound Active Warrior Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Living in Sydney Posts: 45 Thanks: 13 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Social Networking	Re: What are YOU thinking? Right side...no wait left side...no wait right side....aww crap. What do you do when the girl is not spinning at all? Seriously though - great post TomW. Challenging to try to work out which part our head we might be using at any one time and that in fact one could dominate and drive us one way or how much potential we could unlock by using both. I thought being left handed my right side would dominate but actually it flips round quite quickly. (Which probably means I can't make up my mind at all).
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