If You Are Not Making Money Now, I Guarantee You Will After Reading This.

Rachel Zaouche · 02-06-2009, 04:06 PM

Hi Mr Thiago

I loved your story and fair play to you to get up off your backside and do something about your life and your debts. I love your attitude and your spirit of sharing.

BUT I do think you may have been given the wrong steer in going to your bank. I think you quite possibly would have been able to fund your business, given your age etc, by a grant from The Princes Trust or a similar organisation.

Business support, information and advice | Business Link will give you some excellent free advice as it may not be too late to get assistance. I appreciate your comments about the bank, but being a financial planner, I have to say I would argue that you should look very closely at your finance options.

Also, I assume you have registered as self employed/set up Ltd Company/Partnership so dont forget that you can deduct the cost of this finance and some depreciation on your computers etc against profits as a tax deductible expense.

Whilst the value of money is perhaps an illusion, the wealthy (and powerful) people around us know two things - keep an eye on your costs (not the same as being a penny pincher!) and always pay yourself first. It is funny how you can always find the money to pay bills afterwards yet most people (poor people!) pay everyone else first and then realise that they have more month than money.

Best of luck to you.

Rach

Simon74 · 02-06-2009, 07:26 PM

Very interesting info, I will check it out. I really admire people like you so determinate.

All the best.
P.S. I am sure you will be a success

The 13th Warrior · 02-07-2009, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by RedPhoenix

All civilizations use a medium of exchanging effort (goods & or services) within the community. Money is just 1 medium of exchanging effort for effort. Even hunter-gatherer societies exchange effort for effort.

"Civilizations" that you know of. "Civilizations" within the past several thousand years until the present. That is only a drop compared to civilizations in the past that go into the hundred thousands of years ago. One can believe it or not.

The frame of reference referring to as "each" family as a self-sustaining unit with only allegence to themselves is untrue in what the root definition of what civilization or civil is, regardless of what webster says.

If the laws of nature and the universe operated in such a manner, there would be no existence.

How would one feel if your organs or oxygen in the atmosphere operated in the " give me something first" in exchange for their services....and maybe it would think that it "deserves" MORE than it is naturally designed to use or need, there would be problems.

Good thing that Man is the only one with this power of "choice" for if other entities operated as we do, then there is the end of time and existence.

Technologies in the past thousand years, that, TODAY, with computers and modern science, STILL can't figure out how they back then either made it work or how it worked.

How arrogant and mentally imprisoned are we, if, an engineer,TODAY, that can build and design a car from the ground up could'nt figure out how a wagon or cart could work a thousand years ago, to illustrate a simple example, there is lacking in the present worlds knowledge and definitions.

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Originally Posted by RedPhoenix

Hospitality or gifts offered to strangers/visitors/guests show kindness & emphathy but are certainly not proof that the "tribe/culture" in question does not function on at least an exchange of effort for effort basis.

"Yes", it is part of the proof. Most explorers that decided to live among even the most so-called uncivilized peoples continued to get that treatment.

Goods and services are for everyone to share, freely, though I don't expect most who reflect the opposite sentiment to comprehend.

If one is born with the gift and ability to heal, then that is what one does, period. Not " I'll heal you if you give me something", and that goes with all trades and disciplines.

Most equate "Life" , its meaning, purpose and reason in the vision of the life styles of the rich and famous. Live to ski, party, surf,lay in the sun all day, entertain ones self, play poker and gamble all day, etc.,...so when people cannot fathom something else, then its simply not for them to see.

That is why the Earth HAS to have a cleansing of sorts, because the majority of folks cannot comprehend this, which is why no matter who the leader is or what politics or theology, or design of the system, it is bound to fail, and fail miserably because of the lack of this ORIGINAL order of nature and people.

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Originally Posted by RedPhoenix

Are you suggesting that some adults are like children whilst others are like parents and that the latter are completely responsible for the former? That the child-adult has a right to expect the parent-adult to completely provide for them! That the parent-adult has the right to discipline & control the child-adult! Superior & inferior.

If somebody does not understand my {family/child/family of man} metaphor, it is useless for me to explain further.

Not to pick on the above quote, but most of the world would have problems comprehending this , simply for the 1st fact that we have yet to be HUMAN, let alone grow into manhood and womanhood.

The above quote is great, if we are talking in the philosophy of literal math numbers with no human soul/cohesive as a balance, or literal monetary or physical value given a tag or number to be assessed or monetary derivative thereof, with some unnatural/artificial system exploited to "each" family units unlimited capacity for monopolization, or using computer binary code as a guide into what it is to be human or have humanity.

Superior and Inferior are words incompatable with Humans and anyone using that is likely lost forever. These words are impossible to use and apply to people without some tinge, ingredient of blatant evil or would eventually erode to such, I don't care what scientist use them. These words are applicable only to physical objects in relation to specific purposes.

Its like trying to explain to a Robot what it is to "be" human or what the act of humanity "is", or what does it really mean, the term, "human soul".

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Originally Posted by RedPhoenix

Whilst I agree that we are given a rather slanted partial view of history and that it is constantly being revised in the light of new discoveries. What civilizations are you talking & where does your information on them come from? Plus more importantly what caused their demise & virtual obliteration? Please elaborate on this.

NOTHING said here or demonstrated will change what people percieve or want to believe.

The fact is, the choice , for everyone, has already been made and even the wrath of god cannot change what people want in their hearts desire.

Any information one needs will either have been found or is in the process of finding , way before this forum was created.

Any NEW information would only solidify the path that one is ALREADY on , not disuade a person to something that redefines what one percieves and believes, no matter what the science or facts say, because the die has been cast on what people want, even if they are allowed to die and re-incarnate a few times, their path has been chosen deep in their heart, by them, by choice, and very little will be altered. Like I said before, if Hitler was re-incarnated a few times, he would most likely be a more craftier person than before, or Pharoah would do things a tad different to "extend" his time before the wrath, not much more.

For someone to ask means one was never "there" as far as a mind set.... like a person on a train and watching the scenary as they go by in thier direction, not being curious enough to see something that makes them stop the train or get off and go to a new direction.

At best, new information for people is like a cruise ship that docks at a port, look at the gift shops, take a few photos, then continue on in THE direction of the ships original destination, nothing more than an exercise or a "break" for the satisfaction of a curiosisty.

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Originally Posted by RedPhoenix

As long as the ego(personal awareness) exists which distinguishes 1 person from another, "I" , "You" etc will continue to be part of life. Whether a language has or had the equilavent words for Mine" or "Own" exclusive possession, use & consumption will have played at least some part in the lives of the people in question. Unless you are suggesting they had a "Borg-like" collective awareness and completely lacked individuality. Your meal sharing example is not all that different from a family in any western country sitting down to enjoy a meal together with members taking a portion from the main plates in the center of the table. A better example would be people helping themselves from a communal pot and eating with their hands. The control of resources is a natural extention of the "Them" and "Us" mentality of the ego state. It is neither fair or equitable and seeks to serve a group's self interest. Unless the ego awareness is transcended by the vast majority of people things will continue on much the same basis even under a "new" system.

"Unless the ego awareness is transcended by the vast majority of people ......",...yes, this will happen, and it can happen, once the people who will not choose to change are no longer here by natural forces.

Love..., most people say it, see it in dictionary but really lack its comprehension and purpose in the universe. There is a scientific and atomic law that operates this principle as we currently live.

Again, trying to explain what being human is and that a family unit is a microcosm of the macrocosm. "Your" baby daughter, means as much to me, not greater or lesser , than my baby daughter, even if I have never met you or your daughter.

Words like, in their literal sense, "I", 'Me", "Mine", "ego", "control of resources", "group self-interest", are words that are mechanical in nature and exemplifies the mis-use of possibly something of good. They are given life and definition by the operators soul.

Fair and Equitable is the path, purpose and direction of the human soul. To "Them" , "Us" or some entities or tools within themselves or definitions that cannot be changed or truely defined is simply another justification for "reasonable deniability" so people can continue doing what they do. Fair and Equitable is entrenched in natural law and direction, and we humans have the capacity to be even more perfect than universal forces are now.

A Gun is only a tool, and neither seeks Fairness and Equity, so what?

The only problem is, the invention and existence of this tool has its roots in evil, so even if this "tool" and word "Gun" is eliminated, if the root of the mind that envisioned this cannot be quantified, found, understood, then destroyed, then any philosophy that cannot address this soundly is futile and/or lacking, only has "pieces" of truth.

For someone to say that "collective awareness" and "individuality" cannot co-exist , there is no explantion that can make people to see.

Too quick to want to compartmentize things in some box so one can move on and justify ones path so as to "no need to work on and get into that" , " that " being, the root of evil in us all.

We are living in an age where only "Whole, organic, pure, unprocessed, unrefined, chemical free, hybrid-free" truth is the only thing that is going to work....time will show the philosophies and science that have reached their zenith are un-recyclable, and will erode as we speak, never to be used with efficency or effectiveness again, even if they worked for thousands of years, until on one way is left standing.

THE TRUTH, cares not whether you find it pallatable or of inconcievable taste standards.

A New way has come.

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Originally Posted by RedPhoenix

As for skills without developing these we would have no high technology and most likely we would be an extinct species. Monetary is just a word - there will always be a medium of exchanging value for value, of making a contribution. Yes change, improvements and even a complete overall may be called for. Zeitgeist & The Venus Project do have some great ideas but great ideas are not enough, practical solutions are called for that recognise the diversity & complexity of the actual situation. The real cause of inequality & unfairness is not the monetary system its our egocentric consciousness. Untill each person takes steps to transform themselves not much will change except the appearance of the playing field. The core character traits of humankind the primary drives & emotions have remained largely unchanged for thousands of years. Without higher awareness the game remains much the same. The good news is all change should begin with you, there is nothing to prevent you from working on yourself.

Evaluating Techological achievements as to the definition of what being human is is one of the primary mistakes and people must choose and desire on their own to take a self help on this one, no religion or philosophy can change the desire of the will.

Words are given meaning by their practice and spirit. The word , ideology, meaning and practice of the word {monetary} is coming to and end very soon, forever.

The Earth has a specific gravity density it operates under, what is that worth?

What numerical value does one put on the oxygen we injest, what formula do we need?

On an insurance form, it says if you lose your arm, the value of it has been mathematically worked out to a dollar figure. Yes, logical, in the logic and mathematics of witches, demons, devils, and other soul-less entities that have two arms, two legs, and can calculate interest rates. Please don't bother to ask what this means because if you do, it is beyond the scope of comprehension. All it really takes , is the soul to be truely human to understand any of it.

Venus project may only have 1% of vision of the kind of world is going to evolve. I see things in the Venus project that will "infect" and retro-act the plague of our present world, so the change they propose would barely be temporary.

Anything and everything that leads toward the birth of the root of evil will not continue in the near future. One cannot invision or form anything or evolve anything until the root of evil is understood of how it came into existence, its purpose and its end, forever. If your religious, theosophy, ideology, philosophy,mathematics, cannot point out its orgin, cannot quantify the why it exist, cannot fathom its permanent solution , don't worry about it too much, we are continuing on a path we are unwilling to alter, no matter what we read or what we hear.

How can one understand, define, evolve and master Life if one does not know the root of evil , which is the enemy of existence and peace?

To say there will never be an end to evil, it will always exist in some form, is to say one is lost without recovery, will never see, which is why the best on the planet we have today, is under 20% brain capacity, the "other" 80% + will be actived in the new world when the root of anti-existence is removed from the planet , conscious, soul and future progentors forever.

This technology can easily manifest in physical achievements beyond this worlds comprehension but that will be the least and afterthought...most of this technologys root , focus, direction and power occupys brotherhood, sisterhood, peace, equity, love, empathy, unselfishness, selflessness, tranquility,harmony, reciprosity....these have molecular equivalents.

Any place you go on planet Earth, you would be "HOME" and treated as such, ALL peoples.

This "technology" DEFINATELY exist and will evolve beyond this worlds capacity to "see" in the future.

The 13 th Warrior

Charan Saini · 02-10-2009, 05:12 AM

Well done on your achievement ! and thanks for sharing

jaijav29 · 02-10-2009, 05:19 AM

Your story is very inspiring! This is what you get when you patience and hope. Don't ever give up.

theinfomaven · 02-10-2009, 06:31 PM

Thiago,

In your experience, what do banks look or ask you when applying for such a small loan or line of credit?

Patrick Warren · 02-10-2009, 09:58 PM

Is there a place on the web to watch the Secret?

stbernardcom · 03-23-2009, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The 13 th Warrior

Goods and services are for everyone to share, freely, though I don't expect most who reflect the opposite sentiment to comprehend.

If one is born with the gift and ability to heal, then that is what one does, period. Not " I'll heal you if you give me something", and that goes with all trades and disciplines.

This is where people have their own opinions. A person born with an ability to help others has the choice of how much they want to help others, because they have free will. If providing their service for free results in them not having a place to live or enough food to eat, it is wise for them to start charging or find creative ways to create income or trade for shelter, etc.

parrott · 03-24-2009, 09:02 AM

SO much of making and having money is in our mindset......Can you picture swimming in a pool of money? PIcturing things like that will help yo uattract money to you
LP

alewin77 · 03-24-2009, 10:32 AM

Yes I watched this when it came out too. Very good material and good for you for sharing it here.

highrider21 · 03-25-2009, 03:06 AM

I only watched about 30min of the video but it is very interesting. Now that America is in an economic crisis I think more people are realizing how insane our financial system works. I wonder if it is going to get worse or better after this crisis since the government keeps bailing out these huge corporations and banks with hundreds of billions of dollars. The one thing he didn't mention in the video was how we used to be on the gold standard and all of americas wealth was in fort knox.

billbarrett · 03-25-2009, 07:15 AM

Thanks, man. It looks interesting. I'll take a look

billbarrett · 03-25-2009, 07:18 AM

Here are some links to the book and to the movie:

The Movie: Zeitgeist - The Movie
The Book: http://www.rayservers.com/images/Mod...yMechanics.pdf

Mark Brian · 03-25-2009, 12:07 PM

I've always hated money but I am forced to be part of this monetary system. I'm glad the people have started thinking for the true meaning being absolutely one - not globalization - but just being absolutely one, in a resourced based system, without the need for money. I am enraged by just watching this movie, we have indeed truly become a disgusting profit oriented society. I remember Sbarro's "mission statement" that they display in their restaurants: "We are committed to profit"... it's just downright disgusting in a resource based system. I also remember Steve Balmer saying that the end-users of MS DOS/Windows have been deprived of the real (more advanced) state of technology that MS DOS/Windows can bring if they have not been under the hands of IBM in the 80s...

I can only hope that I'm still alive when this revolution, The Project Venus actually begins. Every single man on earth must watch Zeitgeist Addendum. We are the true CHANGE, not Obama or anything, only us. Damn, I hope the world burns all the money in the world and just start a clean slate.

Mr. Thiago · 04-10-2009, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RedPhoenix

All people living in social groups have a need for goods and services regardless of their "state of development". An effort is required by all adults to sustain & entertain their families & themselves. As people tend to have different likes, needs & wants a means of exchanging any surplus goods & services that you may have had for others that you wanted or needed became necessary. Initially this was done through barter - goods & services for other goods & services. As this was a cumbersome system the need for a neutral medium of exchange arose. This has taken various forms including coins, salt, semi-precious gems etc. All civilizations use a medium of exchanging effort (goods & or services) within the community. Money is just 1 medium of exchanging effort for effort. Even hunter-gatherer societies exchange effort for effort.

Hospitality or gifts offered to strangers/visitors/guests show kindness & emphathy but are certainly not proof that the "tribe/culture" in question does not function on at least an exchange of effort for effort basis.

Are you suggesting that some adults are like children whilst others are like parents and that the latter are completely responsible for the former? That the child-adult has a right to expect the parent-adult to completely provide for them! That the parent-adult has the right to discipline & control the child-adult! Superior & inferior.

Whilst I agree that we are given a rather slanted partial view of history and that it is constantly being revised in the light of new discoveries. What civilizations are you talking & where does your information on them come from? Plus more importantly what caused their demise & virtual obliteration? Please elaborate on this.

As long as the ego(personal awareness) exists which distinguishes 1 person from another, "I" , "You" etc will continue to be part of life. Whether a language has or had the equilavent words for Mine" or "Own" exclusive possession, use & consumption will have played at least some part in the lives of the people in question. Unless you are suggesting they had a "Borg-like" collective awareness and completely lacked individuality. Your meal sharing example is not all that different from a family in any western country sitting down to enjoy a meal together with members taking a portion from the main plates in the center of the table. A better example would be people helping themselves from a communal pot and eating with their hands. The control of resources is a natural extention of the "Them" and "Us" mentality of the ego state. It is neither fair or equitable and seeks to serve a group's self interest. Unless the ego awareness is transcended by the vast majority of people things will continue on much the same basis even under a "new" system.

Do you have a well in your back garden that you draw water from? How does water get to your house/flat etc? Who filters, cleans & purifies it? Ever noticed how some people in less developed countries have to make their own arrangements for getting water. Yes they get it free if you ignore the effort that they had to make to obtain it. Anything that requires you to make an effort is not free. One way or another everthing has a "price-tag" of sorts. The simple fact is that when something is provided for you whether it be goods or a service; like having clean running water piped to your house; someone else has expended an effort to make that happen. The people that have expended this effort have given you value, enhanced the quality of your lifestyle, it is only fair & equitable that this be reciprocated and they receive a form of value from us.

As for skills without developing these we would have no high technology and most likely we would be an extinct species. Monetary is just a word - there will always be a medium of exchanging value for value, of making a contribution. Yes change, improvements and even a complete overall may be called for. Zeitgeist & The Venus Project do have some great ideas but great ideas are not enough, practical solutions are called for that recognise the diversity & complexity of the actual situation. The real cause of inequality & unfairness is not the monetary system its our egocentric consciousness. Untill each person takes steps to transform themselves not much will change except the appearance of the playing field. The core character traits of humankind the primary drives & emotions have remained largely unchanged for thousands of years. Without higher awareness the game remains much the same. The good news is all change should begin with you, there is nothing to prevent you from working on yourself.

Siochan leat

Mike

You couldn't be more right.

sarasayshi · 04-11-2009, 08:09 PM

Yea this is interesting. I saw the first one about 911 and was wowed. This is all too interesting. I have downloaded modern mechanics and will watch the movie.

Kim Thomas · 04-12-2009, 01:01 AM

thanks so much for the tips! i have been really looking for ways to make money and i reall appreicate you sharing your wisdom!!!!! i will take a deeper look into this and see what happens!! thanks again.

FrontLineMentor · 04-12-2009, 09:16 AM

Nice real story from you.
Thanks for sharing.
But it is about implementation
and discipline. If we just watch
the movie and no single step taken
nothing will improve...

Cmizer · 04-14-2009, 02:49 PM

Alright man! Congratulations! Thanks for the heads up I'm definitely going to check it out.

markfoo76 · 04-14-2009, 03:00 PM

Hi Mr. Thiago,

Thanks for sharing your story! It's very inspiring!

Cheers~

Mark

here4yoursuccess · 04-15-2009, 08:10 AM

Thanks for the info. I will check it out.

gussie789 · 04-15-2009, 09:48 AM

I gotta check this out. Thanks for the tip.

metafever · 04-15-2009, 09:53 AM

Looks nice . . . I will check it out for sure!

TiAndrine · 04-16-2009, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Livefire

You can find the Modern Money Mechanics pdf file at truthsetusfree dot com website......

Didn't find it at the above, I did find it here...

Modern Money Mechanics

tssen · 04-16-2009, 10:24 AM

gonna have a read now!

thurana · 04-17-2009, 07:14 PM

Thank you for the information. I'll definitely check them out.

Tristan Lee · 04-20-2009, 12:42 PM

Man, all these video's are very trippy...

I have have to wake up at 6 AM today and get to class at 8 AM.

I have never missed a class since the first day.

But after watching these, I have become depressed in an enlightening way.

It is both a good and bad feeling right now.

Thank you Mr. Thiago for showing me, and the rest of the people here, a new and different perspective of how the individual and the world works.

In addition, due to these events, I have decided not to go to class today.

Stevecyr · 04-20-2009, 01:41 PM

I think i would comment after watching this movie only...I have put that movie on torrent....lets see what it conveys and will tell u guys that whether it is worth or not!!

Kneb Knebaih · 04-20-2009, 10:00 PM

Killer post here...

Nice to see people discussing this stuff (at last) here on WF : )

This is the core of everything... the real meat.

Next step is Kaizen - Learn + Act = Improve.

Life´s an illusion. Attitude is everything.

So just get the life you want... JUST TAKE IT.

Thanks for showing up this stuff to discuss.

: )

Diver's · 04-21-2009, 04:21 AM

aha the secret sounds great..the secret to happiness

doomain · 04-21-2009, 07:08 AM

thanks for the link, I'll check it

rdbranson · 04-21-2009, 03:44 PM

Money is a tool that has worked very well in helping to create prosperity.

At the same time, like all tools, money can be abused.

One-at-the-time personal transformation is nice, but doesn't work well. Organized action that changes culture is the main way people change their consciousness.

RDB

goalpower · 04-21-2009, 06:17 PM

Thanks for the tip and thanks to all the other warriors responding - I've both watched Zeitgeist and read the money .pdf and they were eyeopening to say the least...

Here's another great read to open your mind - "The Master Key" by I think Charles Haanel - it is now free online - just google "The Master Key" - I believe it's more powerful than "The Secret"

elitesystem · 04-21-2009, 06:28 PM

i have bookmarked the thread, i am definitely going to check this out. thanks alot mate! rep added

Manticore · 04-21-2009, 10:59 PM

I'll have to check these out later, they sound like their pretty informative. Also if your interested int he subject of that holographic universe video, i recommend you check out a book by the same name written by Micheal Talbot.

yosis · 04-24-2009, 02:53 AM

"Zeitgeist & The Venus Project do have some great ideas but great ideas are not enough, practical solutions are called for that recognise the diversity & complexity of the actual situation. The real cause of inequality & unfairness is not the monetary system its our egocentric consciousness." --RedPhoenix

I agree. I also found that the Venus Project placed too much emphasis on Technology as a means to solve the world's problems. As if our technological advancements will change some of the fundamental problems that have little to do with technology. For example, we've had the technology to have electric cars for decades but greed, selfishness, and big business means our environment and our economics suffer.

Now my criticisms of the film doesn't take away from the fact that you've managed to change your life from whatever inspiration you were able to gather from it. That's wonderful and I applaud you. You're making moves to improve your life and that in of itself is an inspiration (our different tastes in movies notwithstanding).

Tony Vercetti · 04-25-2009, 12:35 AM

I will check out the video you mentionned, seems interesting and inspirational.

Adaptive · 04-25-2009, 12:55 AM

Quote:

Now I have 2 contracts from a couple of companies paying me around £300 each Monday - Friday for doing their SEO, Marketing, Articles, Business Cards, Flyers etc.

Thanks for the interesting thread. I have a few questions about the mechanics of what you did.

1. That seems like an assortment of online/IM and print graphics services. What is the theme you used to present them all as a package to your clients? Or did you start with one of these services and expand out to do others as well?

2. How did you get the clients?

3. Did you have some clients before you got the loan? If so were they the same clients you have now? If not, how did you convince the banker that you would be able to get clients and repay the loan?

Regards,
Allen

digidoodles · 05-22-2009, 08:19 PM

Thanks for the info... now if I could just find 4 hours...

DrAl · 05-24-2009, 02:37 AM

Awesome. It is not often I come across new information. Having read a lot about the banking system, I thought there wouldn't be much new, but really enjoyed the movie and ebook. Definitely has some other ways to explain the concepts and definitely cleared a few things up for me. Thanks

John Henderson · 05-24-2009, 05:21 AM

If anyone wants to see a video about fractional lending that genuinely educates (i.e. without the explosions and 9/11 footage), then spend 47 minutes watching the excellent animation "Money As Debt"...

money as debt - Google Video Search

1 Marketing · 05-24-2009, 05:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Henderson

If anyone wants to see a video about fractional lending that genuinely educates (i.e. without the explosions and 9/11 footage), then spend 47 minutes watching the excellent animation "Money As Debt"...

money as debt - Google Video Search

I was confused on the way how the saving rose to the huge bank balance instead of the debt... But if it is a loan financing etc. I don't think it is an achievement.

now watching money as debt...

oic800 · 05-24-2009, 11:18 AM

Thanks much for the post, I will definitely check it out. I could use a checkup from the neckup.

femkeshe · 05-24-2009, 12:38 PM

x for sharing, Mr. Thiago.

f.

Kezz · 05-24-2009, 06:23 PM

Great recommendation. I really feel that Zeitgeist Addendum is required viewing for everybody. I was shocked to realize how much I didn't understand about what is essentially the most fundamental systematic element of our society. Once you get a grasp on how the monetary system works, you understand the political and military movements around the entire planet.

The most important thing to realize out of all this, and it took me a while to come to understand it, is it is still not money that is the problem. The issue is threefold:

1. Currency issuance is controlled by a private business with private motivations, when it should be controlled by government.
2. Currency issuance has interest placed on it, thereby giving the aforementioned private businesses a cut on every transaction in the world, and creating inescapable debt.
3. Present day currency represents nothing, when it should represent something real, such as silver or gold.

I love the Venus Project, and I hope to see it as our future one day. But the truth is we are not ready for it. The bridge to a resource based economy free of money, is to first rid ourselves of the corruption of the present monetary system, so it accurately represents our resources, allows for fair trade, and allows prosperity to flourish. How do we do this?

1. Put currency issuance back in the hands of the government, where it is supposed to be.
2. Issue currency without interest, which has no place being added to it, as it is supposed to be a token for trade only.
3. Ensure that currency always represents some real resource, such as silver or gold, so its value doesn't become distorted.

Here's the tricky part. You have some extremely clever, extremely ruthless bankers who are the richest most powerful people on the planet because of the way they have gained control over currency, and corrupted its use to their own ends. These people are, and have always been, very hard to deal with. Every single person in history who has tried to go up against them, has met an untimely demise.

For example, did you know that JFK tried to introduce currency backed by silver? Before the year was out, somebody shot him in the head.

Take this opportunity to read up on the history of US Presidents trying to deal with the bankers, and trying to keep control of currency in government hands. You'll realize this has been going on for some time - since the beginning of the USA as a start. This struggle against bankers goes back even before that. At least to the Napoleonic wars. Shafting the people has been the family business for these folks for generations.

There is plenty of information around if you do a little web searching. Here's a good summary to get you started: THE FEDERAL RESERVE FRAUD

forest60 · 05-25-2009, 12:04 AM

It is very great info. Thank you so much.

reliance · 05-25-2009, 09:57 AM

This is the one of the best posting I came across. Thanks a lot for very good inspiring info.

1 Marketing · 05-26-2009, 04:57 AM

Yeah, off course with the videos of Matrix and very detailed discussion on the holographic imagination. Realization of Mind power, I must admit this is a great thread indeed.

WCA · 05-26-2009, 02:15 PM

Great resources, although I am not sure they are as much about making money as they are about the underlying current in the banking system.

Resources anyone should invest their time and energy into though.

danmorton · 05-28-2009, 09:22 AM

Mr. Thiago -

It's great to hear a success story like this.

You must have given your bank a great presentation to get the loan. That's what it takes to be successful.

Thanks,
Dan

02-06-2009, 04:06 PM	#51
Rachel Zaouche HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: , , United Kingdom. Posts: 305 Thanks: 31 Thanked 31 Times in 21 Posts	Re: If You Are Not Making Money Now, I Guarantee You Will After Reading This. Hi Mr Thiago I loved your story and fair play to you to get up off your backside and do something about your life and your debts. I love your attitude and your spirit of sharing. BUT I do think you may have been given the wrong steer in going to your bank. I think you quite possibly would have been able to fund your business, given your age etc, by a grant from The Princes Trust or a similar organisation. Business support, information and advice \| Business Link will give you some excellent free advice as it may not be too late to get assistance. I appreciate your comments about the bank, but being a financial planner, I have to say I would argue that you should look very closely at your finance options. Also, I assume you have registered as self employed/set up Ltd Company/Partnership so dont forget that you can deduct the cost of this finance and some depreciation on your computers etc against profits as a tax deductible expense. Whilst the value of money is perhaps an illusion, the wealthy (and powerful) people around us know two things - keep an eye on your costs (not the same as being a penny pincher!) and always pay yourself first. It is funny how you can always find the money to pay bills afterwards yet most people (poor people!) pay everyone else first and then realise that they have more month than money. Best of luck to you. Rach
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02-06-2009, 07:26 PM	#52
Simon74 HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: London Posts: 321 Thanks: 11 Thanked 47 Times in 21 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: If You Are Not Making Money Now, I Guarantee You Will After Reading This. Very interesting info, I will check it out. I really admire people like you so determinate. All the best. P.S. I am sure you will be a success
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02-10-2009, 05:12 AM	#54
Charan Saini Active Warrior Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 36 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Contact Info	Re: If You Are Not Making Money Now, I Guarantee You Will After Reading This. Well done on your achievement ! and thanks for sharing

02-10-2009, 05:19 AM	#55
jaijav29 Active Warrior Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 51 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: If You Are Not Making Money Now, I Guarantee You Will After Reading This. Your story is very inspiring! This is what you get when you patience and hope. Don't ever give up.

02-10-2009, 06:31 PM	#56
theinfomaven HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 127 Thanks: 24 Thanked 12 Times in 10 Posts	Re: If You Are Not Making Money Now, I Guarantee You Will After Reading This. Thiago, In your experience, what do banks look or ask you when applying for such a small loan or line of credit?

02-10-2009, 09:58 PM	#57
Patrick Warren Active Warrior Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 31 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Social Networking	Re: If You Are Not Making Money Now, I Guarantee You Will After Reading This. Is there a place on the web to watch the Secret?

03-24-2009, 09:02 AM	#59
parrott Warrior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 19 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: If You Are Not Making Money Now, I Guarantee You Will After Reading This. SO much of making and having money is in our mindset......Can you picture swimming in a pool of money? PIcturing things like that will help yo uattract money to you LP
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03-24-2009, 10:32 AM	#60
alewin77 Programmer 2 Marketer War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: London/Vancouver Posts: 15 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Contact Info	Re: If You Are Not Making Money Now, I Guarantee You Will After Reading This. Yes I watched this when it came out too. Very good material and good for you for sharing it here.
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03-25-2009, 03:06 AM	#61
highrider21 Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 57 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: If You Are Not Making Money Now, I Guarantee You Will After Reading This. I only watched about 30min of the video but it is very interesting. Now that America is in an economic crisis I think more people are realizing how insane our financial system works. I wonder if it is going to get worse or better after this crisis since the government keeps bailing out these huge corporations and banks with hundreds of billions of dollars. The one thing he didn't mention in the video was how we used to be on the gold standard and all of americas wealth was in fort knox.

03-25-2009, 07:15 AM	#62
billbarrett Bill Barrett War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 133 Thanks: 64 Thanked 13 Times in 10 Posts Social Networking	Re: If You Are Not Making Money Now, I Guarantee You Will After Reading This. Thanks, man. It looks interesting. I'll take a look

03-25-2009, 07:18 AM	#63
billbarrett Bill Barrett War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 133 Thanks: 64 Thanked 13 Times in 10 Posts Social Networking	Re: If You Are Not Making Money Now, I Guarantee You Will After Reading This. Here are some links to the book and to the movie: The Movie: Zeitgeist - The Movie The Book: http://www.rayservers.com/images/Mod...yMechanics.pdf

03-25-2009, 12:07 PM	#64
Mark Brian Spartan Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: PH Posts: 689 Thanks: 56 Thanked 60 Times in 36 Posts	Re: If You Are Not Making Money Now, I Guarantee You Will After Reading This. I've always hated money but I am forced to be part of this monetary system. I'm glad the people have started thinking for the true meaning being absolutely one - not globalization - but just being absolutely one, in a resourced based system, without the need for money. I am enraged by just watching this movie, we have indeed truly become a disgusting profit oriented society. I remember Sbarro's "mission statement" that they display in their restaurants: "We are committed to profit"... it's just downright disgusting in a resource based system. I also remember Steve Balmer saying that the end-users of MS DOS/Windows have been deprived of the real (more advanced) state of technology that MS DOS/Windows can bring if they have not been under the hands of IBM in the 80s... I can only hope that I'm still alive when this revolution, The Project Venus actually begins. Every single man on earth must watch Zeitgeist Addendum. We are the true CHANGE, not Obama or anything, only us. Damn, I hope the world burns all the money in the world and just start a clean slate.

04-11-2009, 08:09 PM	#66
sarasayshi Active Warrior Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Bay Area, California Posts: 94 Thanks: 30 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts Social Networking	Re: If You Are Not Making Money Now, I Guarantee You Will After Reading This. Yea this is interesting. I saw the first one about 911 and was wowed. This is all too interesting. I have downloaded modern mechanics and will watch the movie.
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04-12-2009, 01:01 AM	#67
Kim Thomas Active Warrior Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 31 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: If You Are Not Making Money Now, I Guarantee You Will After Reading This. thanks so much for the tips! i have been really looking for ways to make money and i reall appreicate you sharing your wisdom!!!!! i will take a deeper look into this and see what happens!! thanks again.

04-12-2009, 09:16 AM	#68
FrontLineMentor HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 167 Thanks: 12 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: If You Are Not Making Money Now, I Guarantee You Will After Reading This. Nice real story from you. Thanks for sharing. But it is about implementation and discipline. If we just watch the movie and no single step taken nothing will improve...

04-14-2009, 02:49 PM	#69
Cmizer Warrior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 29 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: If You Are Not Making Money Now, I Guarantee You Will After Reading This. Alright man! Congratulations! Thanks for the heads up I'm definitely going to check it out.

04-14-2009, 03:00 PM	#70
markfoo76 The Big Dreamer Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Singapore Posts: 95 Thanks: 7 Thanked 14 Times in 13 Posts Social Networking	Re: If You Are Not Making Money Now, I Guarantee You Will After Reading This. Hi Mr. Thiago, Thanks for sharing your story! It's very inspiring! Cheers~ Mark
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04-15-2009, 08:10 AM	#71
here4yoursuccess Tony Salerno Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 17 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 1 Post Social Networking Contact Info	Re: If You Are Not Making Money Now, I Guarantee You Will After Reading This. Thanks for the info. I will check it out.

04-15-2009, 09:48 AM	#72
gussie789 Active Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: JAMAICA Posts: 84 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: If You Are Not Making Money Now, I Guarantee You Will After Reading This. I gotta check this out. Thanks for the tip.
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04-15-2009, 09:53 AM	#73
metafever makemoney War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: The Internet Posts: 386 Thanks: 40 Thanked 30 Times in 15 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: If You Are Not Making Money Now, I Guarantee You Will After Reading This. Looks nice . . . I will check it out for sure!
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04-16-2009, 10:24 AM	#75
tssen Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 39 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: If You Are Not Making Money Now, I Guarantee You Will After Reading This. gonna have a read now!

04-17-2009, 07:14 PM	#76
thurana Warrior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 21 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: If You Are Not Making Money Now, I Guarantee You Will After Reading This. Thank you for the information. I'll definitely check them out.

04-20-2009, 12:42 PM	#77
Tristan Lee HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 148 Thanks: 0 Thanked 14 Times in 7 Posts	Re: If You Are Not Making Money Now, I Guarantee You Will After Reading This. Man, all these video's are very trippy... I have have to wake up at 6 AM today and get to class at 8 AM. I have never missed a class since the first day. But after watching these, I have become depressed in an enlightening way. It is both a good and bad feeling right now. Thank you Mr. Thiago for showing me, and the rest of the people here, a new and different perspective of how the individual and the world works. In addition, due to these events, I have decided not to go to class today.

04-20-2009, 01:41 PM	#78
Stevecyr HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 110 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: If You Are Not Making Money Now, I Guarantee You Will After Reading This. I think i would comment after watching this movie only...I have put that movie on torrent....lets see what it conveys and will tell u guys that whether it is worth or not!!
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04-20-2009, 10:00 PM	#79
Kneb Knebaih Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: , , USA. Posts: 1,057 Thanks: 104 Thanked 49 Times in 29 Posts	Re: If You Are Not Making Money Now, I Guarantee You Will After Reading This. Killer post here... Nice to see people discussing this stuff (at last) here on WF : ) This is the core of everything... the real meat. Next step is Kaizen - Learn + Act = Improve. Life´s an illusion. Attitude is everything. So just get the life you want... JUST TAKE IT. Thanks for showing up this stuff to discuss. : )
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04-21-2009, 04:21 AM	#80
Diver's HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: MY, SEA Posts: 195 Thanks: 85 Thanked 10 Times in 10 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: If You Are Not Making Money Now, I Guarantee You Will After Reading This. aha the secret sounds great..the secret to happiness

04-21-2009, 07:08 AM	#81
doomain Active Warrior Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 52 Thanks: 3 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: If You Are Not Making Money Now, I Guarantee You Will After Reading This. thanks for the link, I'll check it

04-21-2009, 03:44 PM	#82
rdbranson Warrior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 26 Thanks: 2 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: If You Are Not Making Money Now, I Guarantee You Will After Reading This. Money is a tool that has worked very well in helping to create prosperity. At the same time, like all tools, money can be abused. One-at-the-time personal transformation is nice, but doesn't work well. Organized action that changes culture is the main way people change their consciousness. RDB

04-21-2009, 06:17 PM	#83
goalpower MIND POWER Warrior Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Caledonia, MN, USA. Posts: 169 Thanks: 2 Thanked 14 Times in 13 Posts	Re: If You Are Not Making Money Now, I Guarantee You Will After Reading This. Thanks for the tip and thanks to all the other warriors responding - I've both watched Zeitgeist and read the money .pdf and they were eyeopening to say the least... Here's another great read to open your mind - "The Master Key" by I think Charles Haanel - it is now free online - just google "The Master Key" - I believe it's more powerful than "The Secret"
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04-21-2009, 06:28 PM	#84
elitesystem Web2Dominator Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: USA (VA / NY) Posts: 23 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Social Networking Contact Info	Re: If You Are Not Making Money Now, I Guarantee You Will After Reading This. i have bookmarked the thread, i am definitely going to check this out. thanks alot mate! rep added
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04-21-2009, 10:59 PM	#85
Manticore Warrior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: If You Are Not Making Money Now, I Guarantee You Will After Reading This. I'll have to check these out later, they sound like their pretty informative. Also if your interested int he subject of that holographic universe video, i recommend you check out a book by the same name written by Micheal Talbot.

04-24-2009, 02:53 AM	#86
yosis Technologist Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: USA Posts: 33 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 15 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: If You Are Not Making Money Now, I Guarantee You Will After Reading This. "Zeitgeist & The Venus Project do have some great ideas but great ideas are not enough, practical solutions are called for that recognise the diversity & complexity of the actual situation. The real cause of inequality & unfairness is not the monetary system its our egocentric consciousness." --RedPhoenix I agree. I also found that the Venus Project placed too much emphasis on Technology as a means to solve the world's problems. As if our technological advancements will change some of the fundamental problems that have little to do with technology. For example, we've had the technology to have electric cars for decades but greed, selfishness, and big business means our environment and our economics suffer. Now my criticisms of the film doesn't take away from the fact that you've managed to change your life from whatever inspiration you were able to gather from it. That's wonderful and I applaud you. You're making moves to improve your life and that in of itself is an inspiration (our different tastes in movies notwithstanding).
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04-25-2009, 12:35 AM	#87
Tony Vercetti HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 103 Thanks: 8 Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts	Re: If You Are Not Making Money Now, I Guarantee You Will After Reading This. I will check out the video you mentionned, seems interesting and inspirational.

05-22-2009, 08:19 PM	#89
digidoodles HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 141 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 40 Thanked 19 Times in 17 Posts Social Networking	Re: If You Are Not Making Money Now, I Guarantee You Will After Reading This. Thanks for the info... now if I could just find 4 hours...

05-24-2009, 02:37 AM	#90
DrAl Warrior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 15 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: If You Are Not Making Money Now, I Guarantee You Will After Reading This. Awesome. It is not often I come across new information. Having read a lot about the banking system, I thought there wouldn't be much new, but really enjoyed the movie and ebook. Definitely has some other ways to explain the concepts and definitely cleared a few things up for me. Thanks