What do you think about Money?

honestbizpro · 03-21-2009, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by EnlightenedEntrepreneurs

I am not religious. However, I do gain priceless knowledge and wisdom from religious texts.

The Book of Proverbs is one of the best books I have ever read.

1. Wisdom > Money

Wisdom often brings enduring wealth (8:18, 21).
Wisdom yields better fruit than money (8:20).
Wisdom enables one to rightly use money (17:16).
Wisdom gives one proper restraint in the pursuit of money (23:4).

2. Righteousness > Money

Righteous people can have great riches that involve no trouble (15:6).
A poor, but blameless man (i.e. one who is righteous) is better off (i.e. before God) than a rich, but perverse man (28:6).
God often rewards the righteous with money (13:21).
It is better to have a little money with righteousness than much with injustice (16:8).

Hard Work --> Money

Diligent people, in contrast to lazy people, often have more money (10:4).
All hard work brings a profit whereas mere talk accomplishes nothing (14:23).
Acquiring wealth takes diligent planning; anything less may end up in ruin(21:5).
People who cannot control their spending habits end up with nothing (21:17).

Money = Limited Power

Money can do nothing to deliver someone from the wrath of God (11:4).
Money is very temporal and lasts but a short time (23:5; 27:24).
Money cannot be trusted in for it will lead to one's downfall (11:28). Trust, instead, in God (28:25).

Money Used Well = Good

Money can provide protection from certain problems and alleviate certain stresses (10: 15).
Money can be left as an inheritance to help one's descendants in this life (13:22).
An industrious wife can make sufficient money to help he family (31:18).

Rich, Deep Relationships > Money

Rich people tend to receive more attention from others than poor people do. There is often favoritism (14:20).
If you are rich, be careful of people who desire your friendship (19:4a).
If you are poor, do not be surprised if people abandon you for a rich friend (19:4b; cf. 19:7).
Those with money often become the target of thieves et al. (13:8).
The poor person can often see through the facade of the rich person who thinks he knows it all (28:11).
A good reputation with people is better than much money (22:1).
Because of money people often try to pretend to be something they're not; they live a lie (13:7).
Rich people often "lord it over" poor people (22:7).

Giving = Good

Generosity, not stinginess often leads to having more money (11:24).
Generosity often leads to the giver being spiritually refreshed (11:25).
Those who are stingy often end up with nothing (11:24b;11:26b; 28:22).

Dirty Money = Bad

Money gained by dishonest means dwindles away fast (13:11).
People who oppress others for money can come to poverty because of it (22:16a).

Greed = Bad

Greed for money can lead to family problems (15:27).
Do not charge exorbitant interest; justice will prevail (28:8).
Ask God for the proper amount of money (30:8).

Clearly, money is an important part of life, but the love of money will lead to one's downfall. In the end, money is a means to an end and not an end in itself. When it becomes the end, life becomes an empty and meaningless pursuit of material.

Money can be used for good and bad. Money can be acquired in good and bad ways. Nevertheless, karma will always prevail. Money alone will not bring happiness. The difficulty and the morality of acheiving wealth will be the ultimate determinant of one's happiness with the achieved wealth.

Wow, that's good stuff! Will come back time to time to read it again so I can stay grounded. Is that copyrighted? Just kidding.

I have been hearing alot about the Wall Street Debacle and the strategy of "short selling" that is some ruthless tactics that made alot of people rich...and poor.

My intent in life is to help as many people as I can to help themselves...and sometimes that takes money. So I welcome money into my life with open arms but I will keep it in constant flow in and out.

TheAge · 03-21-2009, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by upshurcreative

It also is the route of all evil.

Ridiculous.

- Adrian

Evasan · 03-22-2009, 04:33 AM

Money is important in life. But the obssesive pursuit of money at the cost of health - both physical as well as mental is dertimental to the whole purpose of making money.

NikkiM · 03-22-2009, 03:16 PM

I know you have heard "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" Well I feel that "money is in the eye of the beholder"

Money is nor good, or bad. Money can't buy happiness or keep you from getting robbed. Money is just a paper and coin representation of your efforts and hard work.

And sometimes, despite all your hard work, you still have no money.

Money is never a means to an end only because if the money stops, the bills and expenses keep coming in.

I belief that money is just a means of maintaining and achieving goods and services. Unfortunately, money is the barrier between what we have and what we want.

Bukola · 03-22-2009, 06:47 PM

I observe money as energy, an energy that we can choose to share, save, give away, etc. And this energy is the outcome (big and small) of our relationship with ourselves and others.

tricia2253 · 03-22-2009, 09:21 PM

There are more things in life to worry about than just money-for example, how to get a hold of it.

tshipp · 03-23-2009, 08:03 PM

For good or bad, money makes the world go around. I'd rather have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

Tony

honestbizpro · 03-23-2009, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by tshipp

For good or bad, money makes the world go around. I'd rather have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

Tony

2nd that, and when the money is making money I do not mind at all.

JamesMSpacey · 03-24-2009, 07:02 AM

I agree with the comments of the posters before me and reading them reminds me why I enjoy participating in this forum so much.

I was having a conversation with a mate on Sunday and we got into the subject of money. He quit a high paying IT job several years ago for health reasons and also to study music (he's a very talented jazz pianist). So I asked him how he was able to make that decision and how he'd survived with his family without that big pay check. He said, "Don't kid yourself, money is the root of all happiness". What he meant was that there's a lot of pressure in your life when you have no money.

What I've found is that money is not much more than a means of exchange and if you only have in mind the idea of 'making money' then you're not going to be very happy. On the flip side, if you don't respect money - how hard it can be to come by and how much of an influence it can be on people's attitudes and behaviour - it can end up biting you hard.

Money is discussed a lot in these forums, but I've found that overwhelmingly it is used more as a metaphor for the success we are striving to achieve - Donald Trump refers to this as a 'score card' - or the lifestyle we are trying to create. It's more often than not simply a means of describing other goals and achievements that we want to pursue.

honestbizpro · 03-24-2009, 11:30 AM

"In America, first you get the Money, then you get the power, then you get the woman."

Tony Montana -Scarface (the Movie)

kenboss · 03-24-2009, 07:55 PM

Money should be a means to an end - but too many people see it as an end in itself, the idiocy of which is clear if you imagine yourself marooned on a desert island with nothing but a boatload of cash for company!!

mikebeta2 · 03-25-2009, 02:38 AM

money is a good servant and it has 2 purposes: to make me more comfortable so that I can become more creative, and to extend the services out of my personal presence.

nyting · 03-25-2009, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Clintonio

I believe, financial freedom is the first thing that you should accomplish in your life before anything else. Once you achieve this you will have no need to worry about money. It will give you time to focus on things that matter, like enjoying your life raising a family making a legacy for yourself and possibly others

Absolutely agree. While you don't have to worry about money, you will probably have a happier life; well, at least I am. I am not looking for any luxury names products. Most of my expenses are spent on great food rather than clothes?

Now that as I grow up, I see the importance of money in one's life, or I should say th necessity of money in one's life; I no longer have a "worry-free" life anymore.

nyting · 03-25-2009, 06:38 AM

The "story" about the high-pay IT professional quits his job, I had similar experiences. I quit my job about 5 years ago because of health problem. I never thought my first "official" job after graduated from college could end up like this. I guess, yes, just guess, I had energy to keep on work, work, work, and work; without knowing that I had exceeded the limit. Then, one day, I "crashed." Gave up my job, got rested, went to cruise... then ultimately, almost ran out of money.

At that time, I realized the pressure from no money situation... but there's nothing I could do... It ended up I spent 2 years studying full-time for a MBA degree; not a bad choice, isn't it?!

reynald2790 · 03-25-2009, 06:42 AM

Money is just a cycle of everybody's living. Without money we couldn't buy what we like. But, if without money there is no corruption in our countries. And there must be no problem in the world right now. But, money is a symbolization of market.

billbarrett · 03-25-2009, 06:55 AM

Money are a tool, just a tool. We are the ones who decide how to use it.

IMproducts · 03-25-2009, 02:44 PM

I think that "money" can be your best friend, but it can also be your worst enemy.

"Capitalize on Capitalism" as I heard Jay Abraham recently stated.

Cheers

Chris

honestbizpro · 03-26-2009, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by IMproducts

I think that "money" can be your best friend, but it can also be your worst enemy.

"Capitalize on Capitalism" as I heard Jay Abraham recently stated.

Cheers

Chris

If you are following Jay Abraham, you are on your way to making alot of money.

His concepts are not that difficult if you do it right...

Introduce Company A Mr/Ms Jelly, to Company B Mr/Ms Peanutbutter and bring them together (either by utilizing underused assets, cross promoting, and many other ways) while you make a huge upfront profit or ongoing profit or both.

Love Jay Abraham.

wordsmith101 · 03-26-2009, 02:07 PM

Money cannot buy everything. It, however, buys me freedom to travel and see different realities.

beabeck86 · 03-26-2009, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TheAge

Money is a beautiful thing. It is a metaphor for human achievement. No, money cannot buy you happiness. I am convinced only purpose can bring you that.

However, money is still very important. Money is the root of all GOOD.

Here's a speech from the novel 'Atlas Shrugged':
"So you think that money is the root of all evil?" said Francisco d'Anconia. "Have you ever asked what is the root of money? Money is a tool of exchange, which can't exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them. Money is the material shape of the principle that men who wish to deal with one another must deal by trade and give value for value. Money is not the tool of the moochers, who claim your product by tears, or of the looters, who take it from you by force. Money is made possible only by the men who produce. Is this what you consider evil?"

The rest of it can be found at: capmag.com/article.asp?ID=1826

(I am not yet able to post live links)

- Adrian

great understanding, shows composed maturity.
Per "The great Ben Mack" or someone BM interpreted,
"Money is a energy transferring mechanism"
Our realization may not be accurate but we all understand at some level or the other ----Money facilitates the transformation of energy, in a very basic and fundamental sense.
This(money) i offer/give you for this performed act(any work).
Money i worked for(energy spent or performed) i give you for energy you are about to spent/perform) or "vv".
That's about it, just my 2 cents(not much energy spent lol).

beabeck86 · 03-26-2009, 04:57 PM

Per "The great Ben Mack" or someone BM interpreted,
"Money is a energy transferring mechanism"
Our realization may not be accurate but we all understand at some level or the other ----Money facilitates the transformation of energy, in a very basic and fundamental sense.
This(money) i offer/give you for this performed act(any work).
Money i worked for(energy spent or performed) i give you for energy you are about to spent/perform) or "vv".
That's about it, just my 2 cents(not much energy spent lol).

Kay King · 03-26-2009, 05:03 PM

Money is quite good - may I have some more, please, Sir?

kay

bobcath · 03-26-2009, 05:05 PM

I always thought money was the most important of the 4 that Glenn mentions below. However since being diagnosed with a life threatening illness I now realise it's having good health, without it we have nothing!

That said, I'd rather be rich and unhealthy than poor and unhealthy

Bobby

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Originally Posted by glenn0728

money is one of the 4 pillars of success... health, wealth, relationships, and mental aptitude

honestbizpro · 03-26-2009, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by bobcath

I always thought money was the most important of the 4 that Glenn mentions below. However since being diagnosed with a life threatening illness I now realise it's having good health, without it we have nothing!

That said, I'd rather be rich and unhealthy than poor and unhealthy

Bobby

Directing my energy to you my friend.

And another thing..don't believe everything a doctor says. I see miracles all the time.

The fact that I finally got my S tuff together from a pretty wild past is testament to that.

nyting · 03-27-2009, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by reynald2790

Money is just a cycle of everybody's living. Without money we couldn't buy what we like. But, if without money there is no corruption in our countries. And there must be no problem in the world right now. But, money is a symbolization of market.

Partially agree. That's the reason I hate about money. Since when and who introduced the "matter" or "subject" of money. It becomes a cycle of EVERYBODY'S living. Men cannot live without it. I believe corruption exists w/out money; it just happens in another form, because men are greedy and like to manipulating others.

honestbizpro · 03-27-2009, 09:29 PM

Woman Loses Life's Savings in Shoe Box
KTLA News
October 16, 2008

SAN FERNANDO -- One woman not only lost her home in the "Marek Brush Fire", which destroyed dozens of homes, in the eastern San Fernando Valley, she also lost her entire life's savings.

47 year old Teresa Escamilla says she had $12,000 in cash tucked away inside a shoe box, which she stored in her closet. She had saved the money for five years working two jobs, one as a nurse's assistant, with hopes of buying a home of her own one day. But, that dream went up in smoke when flames tore through her home on Monday, leaving behind only ashes.

The mobile home Escamilla has rented for the past three years was one of 38 destroyed when the fire ripped through the Sky Terrace Lodge mobile home park in Sylmar.

"I don't feel like doing anything except staying on this little bed," Escamilla said Tuesday while resting on a donated cot at an evacuation center at San Fernando High School.

"It hurts so much," she said. "So much sacrifice so I could have something a little better."

Escamilla says she was working an overnight shift when the fire broke out early Sunday morning and was kept away from her home by firefighters.

When asked why she didn't put the money in a bank, Escamilla says she felt the money would be safer where she could see it.

jyzackoh · 03-28-2009, 03:38 AM

Well I don't know if anyone has said this but Money is just but a tool used to tag a value to something. Money is not the root of all evil. But the greed in man is!

So if we take a bigger perspective, almost everything bad starts with a bad intention, which usually comes from greed for power and glory, and greed for money.

What do you think?

jamesviago · 03-28-2009, 06:09 AM

the original quote is "the LOVE of money is the root of all evil". and relates to the effect of greed on our thought processes, and the way greed destroys our relationships.

many times that is misquoted as "money is the root of all evil". and the misquote is used to suggest that people who have money are somehow "wrong".

i've had more than enough money, and i've had insuficient money.
it's better to have enough.

but chasing money, directly, isn't the fastest way to get enough.
focusing on "i don't have enough" produces more of... not having enough.
that's a downward spiral, leading to financial tragedy for most people (yeah sure a few people strike it lucky but that's no way to plan your future).

the fastest way to have more than enough money is: to help other people get what they want. focusing on "helping people" produces more of... people who want your help.
that's an upward spiral, leading to appropriate rewards for the kind of help given.

when my team complain to me that they "need" more money, my answer is always "help more people". it always works, and i'm surround by generous, caring people who love what they do. greedy people can't stand it, they're gone in a matter of weeks - we don't have to get rid of them, they just can't handle the idea of giving first and receiving later, despite the clear evidence around them that our financial freedom is the direct consequence of helping people!

is that easy? hell no. if i could just be more giving i'd be a zillionaire.

honestbizpro · 03-28-2009, 09:57 PM

I am glad there is now focus on Corporate Bonuses for failing a company...those geniuses probably could not create their own company and survive.

Sheila · 03-29-2009, 04:49 PM

Money is symbol of energy - nothing more, nothing less. It has no inherent value, other than the value we place on it.

We provide value, we get money. We want something of value, we pay money. Money is a medium of exchange, it's the way we barter one thing for another.

honestbizpro · 03-31-2009, 06:09 AM

Wonder what the person who has endless money is worried about today?

nyting · 04-02-2009, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JuliaAdam

Not At All...!!
I always advice people who run for money that money is not everything you need to live happily.... but their are some other things needed to survive successfully i.e. passions, true love, care, positive support, peace of mind and more...

Peace of Mind is the Most Important part in my life. If money can buy peace of mind, money is indeed precious. However, I don't see money brings any peace to my life. There are full of gossips, arguments, and even fights. So as I said before, who in the world or in the universe, create such a thing called "money"??

People are greedy. Once they reach their goals, they want more; this especially applies to "money." Once I heard an old man told me, it's good to work hard and earn the money your deserve. However, you were just in the process of earning the money; thie money your've earned does not belong to you at all until the day you spent it for yourself or to others.

honestbizpro · 04-02-2009, 02:03 PM

When you have enough money...it will make you more money. I think alot of people need to study the rich and how they think. It is not about Greed but living in Abundance.

Rich Dad Poor Dad book opened my eyes to this. The person who strives to live in abundance will be able to help more people and create even more abundance.

Of course there is always exceptions...some people are very eccentric. Leona Helmsly ( a billionaire New York City hotel operator and real estate investor) left little to relatives and alot to her dogs!

Kingpin123 · 04-02-2009, 09:47 PM

Their is a saying that money is the root cause of all evil

If thats true then all are evil,that doesnt make anysense
i have seen my fellow warriors are not greedy of money

For me money is the root cause of all GOOD

Leon McKee · 04-02-2009, 10:27 PM

We need a method of efficient exchange for goods and services and that's all "money" is in my opinion. Here's my view...

I've personally come to the conclusion that life is about:

1) Relationships

2) Experiences

I also believe that in support of relationships and experiences my businesses should provide the following TOOLS:

1) Money

2) Time

3) Mobility

The above is similar to a reply that I made to an earlier post, but consistency is important

Leon McKee

honestbizpro · 04-02-2009, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon McKee

We need a method of efficient exchange for goods and services and that's all "money" is in my opinion. Here's my view...

I've personally come to the conclusion that life is about:

1) Relationships

2) Experiences

I also believe that in support of relationships and experiences my businesses should provide the following TOOLS:

1) Money

2) Time

3) Mobility

The above is similar to a reply that I made to an earlier post, but consistency is important

Leon McKee

I agree Leon.

Also good business relationships will make us more money as well.

honestbizpro · 04-03-2009, 10:32 AM

I can remember when I was very young and my grandmother kept giving me a collection of half dollar coins for my Birthday and at Christmas...I don't know if she was trying to teach me to save or become a coin collector!

All I can say is it was very awkward paying for my Double Cheeseburgers with all coins!

honestbizpro · 04-03-2009, 02:44 PM

I read this and it kind of explains how some people always want to borrow money or someone can win the lottery and lose it all...

"Before we can begin to deal with the ways to avoid new debt and liquidate existing debt, we have to understand just how we get into debt in the first place. The core problem is simple:

Repeated debt results from dysfunctional (or distorted) attitudes and perceptions about money and self. They are generally subconscious; we don’t even realize they’re there.

Yet they rule our behavior and actions with the power of a dictator.

It’s essential to recognize them for what they are.

Unless you do, no external event, no influx of money, no matter how large, is going to correct your financial situation."

jamesviago · 04-03-2009, 05:19 PM

if we are going to quote the famous quote about money in this thread, please let's stop misquoting it!

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Originally Posted by upshurcreative

Having alot of money is great as long as you know how to balance things out. It also is the route of all evil.

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Originally Posted by Kingpin123

Their is a saying that money is the root cause of all evil

If thats true then all are evil,that doesnt make anysense
i have seen my fellow warriors are not greedy of money

For me money is the root cause of all GOOD

Here's one translation of the famous quote, which has survived almost 2000 years:

"For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, in their eagerness to get rich, have wandered away from the faith and caused themselves a lot of pain."
1 Tim 6:10

the quote refers to greed and the way greed can destroy our relationships with others (including, in this context, with God).

it's good advice, and does not say anthing about money being the root of evil. and, as another poster has clearly shown, the good book of insightful quotes contains a LOT more quotes about money - and money ain't the problem, it's people's lust for money that leads to problems.

various translations of the "root of all evil" quote:

International Standard Version (©2008)
For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, in their eagerness to get rich, have wandered away from the faith and caused themselves a lot of pain.
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Certainly, the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil. Some people who have set their hearts on getting rich have wandered away from the Christian faith and have caused themselves a lot of grief.
King James Bible
For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
American King James Version
For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
American Standard Version
For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil: which some reaching after have been led astray from the faith, and have pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
Bible in Basic English
For the love of money is a root of all evil: and some whose hearts were fixed on it have been turned away from the faith, and been wounded with unnumbered sorrows.
Douay-Rheims Bible
For the desire of money is the root of all evils; which some coveting have erred from the faith, and have entangled themselves in many sorrows.
Darby Bible Translation
For the love of money is the root of every evil; which some having aspired after, have wandered from the faith, and pierced themselves with many sorrows.
English Revised Version
For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil: which some reaching after have been led astray from the faith, and have pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
Webster's Bible Translation
For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some have coveted, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
Weymouth New Testament
For from love of money all sorts of evils arise; and some have so hankered after money as to be led astray from the faith and be pierced through with countless sorrows.
World English Bible
For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some have been led astray from the faith in their greed, and have pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
Young's Literal Translation
for a root of all the evils is the love of money, which certain longing for did go astray from the faith, and themselves did pierce through with many sorrows;

gee1 · 04-04-2009, 07:05 PM

Money is certainly over rated...in this world.

I've always felt that real wealth is inner fulfillment, peace and happiness. When you truly understand your deep core values and walk them out through your principles. When you identify your God given purpose and have fun pursuing them. When you start enjoying the journey of life and stop wanting to reach the finish line of success.

However, money is not evil nor is it the root of all evil. The Bible says 'it's the love of money that is the root of all evil'...and I so agree. The constant focus and love of money can corrupt and distort your thinking, it can lead you into compromising your morals and principles...before long your desire for money out ways what you would do to get it.

The Bible also says in proverbs 'money answers all things'...this is to say money used well can do great things for us and others in this world. Pay bills, help others, share, provide comfort, create opportunity, create freedom, create a lifestyle and so on.

So it's how we see it, use it and what we'll do to get it.

I am fortunate to have systems in place that produce passive and residual streams of income but I still refuse to rate money higher than It deserves... family, peace, good friendships, giving and showing love is much much much more important.

I always keep myself in check with the question 'If you lost all your possessions and were left with the clothes on your back... do you have enough in you to be at peace, happy and content?'... the answer is a resounding 'YES!'

honestbizpro · 04-04-2009, 07:10 PM

Very insightful Gee1.

I think perceptions of money can change just like one's tax bracket.

If you speak to someone who was ridiculed at school because they had holes in both shoes but still had to wear those shoes in the dead of winter...they may never even allow the thought of not having money ever to enter their head once they became successful.

Jonathan 2.0 · 04-05-2009, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by fahadabrarkhan

I think money is very essential part of everyday life. If you don't have enough money you feel empty , stressed out and have depression. Your boyfriend or girlfriend might break up with you if you don't earn enough. I was a bit suprised by the fact that money drives people to form relationship. No one wants to be a looser. Everyone wants to get more , earn more and have more fun in life.

Real relationships aren't formed because of money. They're formed because of love. (If you want to call it that.)

People may want to align with you when you're successful. Because when you reach a high station in life you're afforded the privilege of helping people less fortunate than yourself.

Although money problems can put strain on a relationship a partner will never break up with you just because of money.

Having more fun in life and being a "winner" doesn't really have anything to do with money. (At least that's my opinion.) I used to think that money = success. I was wrong.

SOT · 04-07-2009, 05:19 AM

Money is not the root of all evil - money is just money. People, good or bad will do good or evil things with it. I used to think that wanting to be rich is a sin, but now I think that being rich gives freedom to have the time to help others and do good deeds. Look at the A-listers in Hollywood and the world's super rich. A huge percentage of them do charitable things and have foundations set up to help specific less advantaged groups. If you want to be a philanthropist, you first have to be rich. And to be rich, you need money!

BigCashDetective · 04-07-2009, 07:22 AM

Money should be the fire under your pants, the reason for your ambition.

But you can't let that be the only driver as then you can never have "too much money" and in turn you will never be fulfilled/truly happy.

Mark Smith · 04-07-2009, 11:27 PM

its over rated!!!! money creats more problems than solutions!

PeteNY · 04-07-2009, 11:31 PM

Money, to me, is like points you get for doing something useful for society.

Money is good. Greed is bad.

honestbizpro · 04-07-2009, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Smith

its over rated!!!! money creats more problems than solutions!

Heard of an incidental? That is when one of life's problems will only be solved by .....you guessed it....some cold hard cash.

car break down?
College fees?
braces?
illness?
coat?
loved one in need?

Lack of money can cause major problems and having it is the solution to many of lifes problems. IMHO.

Let me think of a problem that having a lot of money can cause...um...

borrowers
taxes
ulterior motives
jealousy/haters

I'll take it!

Simo · 04-08-2009, 12:06 AM

I think this is a great topic Bizpro - Thanks for starting this thread

I think in our pursuit of money we often get lost as to "having money" versus "flowing money." Its not really the money itself we strive to get, its more what we can do with the money once we have it... better lifestyles etc. So really money is a means to what we all really want... Freedom of choice to do what we want

Money is static unless it is flowed. What I mean by that is that when you use money for something then the money itself is useful. If it sits in a bank vault it isn't doing much except existing.

We are all flowing ideas by sharing on this forum. Imagine the power if all of us flowed $20 simultaneously to one cause. Now that is powerful.

To me money should be about its use as opposed to its attainment. Once you flow money to yourself (from setting up successful web businesses etc) and from yourself (i.e helping others on this forum or in the greater world), its difficult to turn off the pipeline.

honestbizpro · 04-08-2009, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by iamsimo

I think this is a great topic Bizpro - Thanks for starting this thread

I think in our pursuit of money we often get lost as to "having money" versus "flowing money." Its not really the money itself we strive to get, its more what we can do with the money once we have it... better lifestyles etc. So really money is a means to what we all really want... Freedom of choice to do what we want

Money is static unless it is flowed. What I mean by that is that when you use money for something then the money itself is useful. If it sits in a bank vault it is doing much except existing.

We are all flowing ideas by sharing on this forum. Imagine the power if all of is flowed $20 simultaneously to one cause. Now that is powerful.

To me money should be about its use as opposed to its attainment. Once you flow money to yourself (from setting up successful web businesses etc) and from yourself (i.e helping others on this forum or in the greater world), its difficult to turn off the pipeline.

Hey iamsimo! Where did you get that wisdom? I know they do not teach it in school...but they should.

I heard someone sing "I got my mind on my money and my money on my mind"

We all need to get our mind right about money or earning it will not be as rewarding.

sajae102 · 04-08-2009, 05:33 PM

Of course money cannot make happiness. That is for sure. I don't know how many CEO and business owners out there that claim they feel like a slave to their business! I could go on and on about how many CEO are stressed out. No wonder they go in debt going on vacations and spa! LOL but, money can cure some problems such as being secure in the future, paying for the best...but it just creates other problems. Have you ever seen someone with a big family that was rich? OH my gosh. They started getting calls from cousins they didn't even know they had. If i ever got rich, I would stash my money, feed the poor and the homeless, help children, build trees, but wouldn't tell a soul i had money.....It just causes all sorts of problems.

03-22-2009, 04:33 AM	#53
Evasan Warrior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 17 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What do you think about Money? Money is important in life. But the obssesive pursuit of money at the cost of health - both physical as well as mental is dertimental to the whole purpose of making money.

03-22-2009, 03:16 PM	#54
NikkiM Writer & Dream Creator Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Bourbonnais, Illinois Posts: 41 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 12 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts Contact Info	Re: What do you think about Money? I know you have heard "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" Well I feel that "money is in the eye of the beholder" Money is nor good, or bad. Money can't buy happiness or keep you from getting robbed. Money is just a paper and coin representation of your efforts and hard work. And sometimes, despite all your hard work, you still have no money. Money is never a means to an end only because if the money stops, the bills and expenses keep coming in. I belief that money is just a means of maintaining and achieving goods and services. Unfortunately, money is the barrier between what we have and what we want.

03-22-2009, 06:47 PM	#55
Bukola Active Warrior Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: NYC Posts: 31 Thanks: 2 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: What do you think about Money? I observe money as energy, an energy that we can choose to share, save, give away, etc. And this energy is the outcome (big and small) of our relationship with ourselves and others.

03-22-2009, 09:21 PM	#56
tricia2253 Patricia War Room Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: , , USA. Posts: 33 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: What do you think about Money? There are more things in life to worry about than just money-for example, how to get a hold of it.
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03-23-2009, 08:03 PM	#57
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03-24-2009, 07:02 AM	#59
JamesMSpacey Aussie! Aussie! Aussie! War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 237 Blog Entries: 7 Thanks: 74 Thanked 43 Times in 37 Posts Social Networking	Re: What do you think about Money? I agree with the comments of the posters before me and reading them reminds me why I enjoy participating in this forum so much. I was having a conversation with a mate on Sunday and we got into the subject of money. He quit a high paying IT job several years ago for health reasons and also to study music (he's a very talented jazz pianist). So I asked him how he was able to make that decision and how he'd survived with his family without that big pay check. He said, "Don't kid yourself, money is the root of all happiness". What he meant was that there's a lot of pressure in your life when you have no money. What I've found is that money is not much more than a means of exchange and if you only have in mind the idea of 'making money' then you're not going to be very happy. On the flip side, if you don't respect money - how hard it can be to come by and how much of an influence it can be on people's attitudes and behaviour - it can end up biting you hard. Money is discussed a lot in these forums, but I've found that overwhelmingly it is used more as a metaphor for the success we are striving to achieve - Donald Trump refers to this as a 'score card' - or the lifestyle we are trying to create. It's more often than not simply a means of describing other goals and achievements that we want to pursue.

03-24-2009, 11:30 AM	#60
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03-24-2009, 07:55 PM	#61
kenboss Ken Williams War Room Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: London, England Posts: 154 Thanks: 96 Thanked 75 Times in 47 Posts Social Networking	Re: What do you think about Money? Money should be a means to an end - but too many people see it as an end in itself, the idiocy of which is clear if you imagine yourself marooned on a desert island with nothing but a boatload of cash for company!!

03-25-2009, 02:38 AM	#62
mikebeta2 Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 31 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What do you think about Money? money is a good servant and it has 2 purposes: to make me more comfortable so that I can become more creative, and to extend the services out of my personal presence.

03-25-2009, 06:38 AM	#64
nyting Active Warrior Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: California Posts: 39 Blog Entries: 12 Thanks: 3 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Social Networking	Re: What do you think about Money? The "story" about the high-pay IT professional quits his job, I had similar experiences. I quit my job about 5 years ago because of health problem. I never thought my first "official" job after graduated from college could end up like this. I guess, yes, just guess, I had energy to keep on work, work, work, and work; without knowing that I had exceeded the limit. Then, one day, I "crashed." Gave up my job, got rested, went to cruise... then ultimately, almost ran out of money. At that time, I realized the pressure from no money situation... but there's nothing I could do... It ended up I spent 2 years studying full-time for a MBA degree; not a bad choice, isn't it?!
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03-25-2009, 06:42 AM	#65
reynald2790 Music is my Life War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 286 Blog Entries: 3 Thanks: 16 Thanked 14 Times in 14 Posts	Re: What do you think about Money? Money is just a cycle of everybody's living. Without money we couldn't buy what we like. But, if without money there is no corruption in our countries. And there must be no problem in the world right now. But, money is a symbolization of market.

03-25-2009, 06:55 AM	#66
billbarrett Bill Barrett War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 132 Thanks: 64 Thanked 13 Times in 10 Posts Social Networking	Re: What do you think about Money? Money are a tool, just a tool. We are the ones who decide how to use it.

03-25-2009, 02:44 PM	#67
IMproducts Active Warrior Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 35 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: What do you think about Money? I think that "money" can be your best friend, but it can also be your worst enemy. "Capitalize on Capitalism" as I heard Jay Abraham recently stated. Cheers Chris

03-26-2009, 02:07 PM	#69
wordsmith101 copywriter Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 18 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: What do you think about Money? Money cannot buy everything. It, however, buys me freedom to travel and see different realities.

03-26-2009, 04:57 PM	#71
beabeck86 Warrior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What do you think about Money? Per "The great Ben Mack" or someone BM interpreted, "Money is a energy transferring mechanism" Our realization may not be accurate but we all understand at some level or the other ----Money facilitates the transformation of energy, in a very basic and fundamental sense. This(money) i offer/give you for this performed act(any work). Money i worked for(energy spent or performed) i give you for energy you are about to spent/perform) or "vv". That's about it, just my 2 cents(not much energy spent lol).

03-26-2009, 05:03 PM	#72
Kay King Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Gulf Coast, USA. Posts: 15,147 Thanks: 3,715 Thanked 4,149 Times in 2,262 Posts	Re: What do you think about Money? Money is quite good - may I have some more, please, Sir? kay

03-27-2009, 09:29 PM	#76
honestbizpro Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 3,842 Thanks: 196 Thanked 510 Times in 316 Posts	Re: What do you think about Money? Woman Loses Life's Savings in Shoe Box KTLA News October 16, 2008 SAN FERNANDO -- One woman not only lost her home in the "Marek Brush Fire", which destroyed dozens of homes, in the eastern San Fernando Valley, she also lost her entire life's savings. 47 year old Teresa Escamilla says she had $12,000 in cash tucked away inside a shoe box, which she stored in her closet. She had saved the money for five years working two jobs, one as a nurse's assistant, with hopes of buying a home of her own one day. But, that dream went up in smoke when flames tore through her home on Monday, leaving behind only ashes. The mobile home Escamilla has rented for the past three years was one of 38 destroyed when the fire ripped through the Sky Terrace Lodge mobile home park in Sylmar. "I don't feel like doing anything except staying on this little bed," Escamilla said Tuesday while resting on a donated cot at an evacuation center at San Fernando High School. "It hurts so much," she said. "So much sacrifice so I could have something a little better." Escamilla says she was working an overnight shift when the fire broke out early Sunday morning and was kept away from her home by firefighters. When asked why she didn't put the money in a bank, Escamilla says she felt the money would be safer where she could see it.
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03-28-2009, 03:38 AM	#77
jyzackoh Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 53 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 5 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: What do you think about Money? Well I don't know if anyone has said this but Money is just but a tool used to tag a value to something. Money is not the root of all evil. But the greed in man is! So if we take a bigger perspective, almost everything bad starts with a bad intention, which usually comes from greed for power and glory, and greed for money. What do you think?
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03-28-2009, 06:09 AM	#78
jamesviago Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Hamilton, New Zealand Posts: 95 Blog Entries: 4 Thanks: 10 Thanked 10 Times in 8 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: What do you think about Money? the original quote is "the LOVE of money is the root of all evil". and relates to the effect of greed on our thought processes, and the way greed destroys our relationships. many times that is misquoted as "money is the root of all evil". and the misquote is used to suggest that people who have money are somehow "wrong". i've had more than enough money, and i've had insuficient money. it's better to have enough. but chasing money, directly, isn't the fastest way to get enough. focusing on "i don't have enough" produces more of... not having enough. that's a downward spiral, leading to financial tragedy for most people (yeah sure a few people strike it lucky but that's no way to plan your future). the fastest way to have more than enough money is: to help other people get what they want. focusing on "helping people" produces more of... people who want your help. that's an upward spiral, leading to appropriate rewards for the kind of help given. when my team complain to me that they "need" more money, my answer is always "help more people". it always works, and i'm surround by generous, caring people who love what they do. greedy people can't stand it, they're gone in a matter of weeks - we don't have to get rid of them, they just can't handle the idea of giving first and receiving later, despite the clear evidence around them that our financial freedom is the direct consequence of helping people! is that easy? hell no. if i could just be more giving i'd be a zillionaire.
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03-28-2009, 09:57 PM	#79
honestbizpro Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 3,842 Thanks: 196 Thanked 510 Times in 316 Posts	Re: What do you think about Money? I am glad there is now focus on Corporate Bonuses for failing a company...those geniuses probably could not create their own company and survive.
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03-29-2009, 04:49 PM	#80
Sheila HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Pittsburgh, PA: USA. Posts: 168 Thanks: 49 Thanked 31 Times in 20 Posts	Re: What do you think about Money? Money is symbol of energy - nothing more, nothing less. It has no inherent value, other than the value we place on it. We provide value, we get money. We want something of value, we pay money. Money is a medium of exchange, it's the way we barter one thing for another.

03-31-2009, 06:09 AM	#81
honestbizpro Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 3,842 Thanks: 196 Thanked 510 Times in 316 Posts	Re: What do you think about Money? Wonder what the person who has endless money is worried about today?
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04-02-2009, 02:03 PM	#83
honestbizpro Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 3,842 Thanks: 196 Thanked 510 Times in 316 Posts	Re: What do you think about Money? When you have enough money...it will make you more money. I think alot of people need to study the rich and how they think. It is not about Greed but living in Abundance. Rich Dad Poor Dad book opened my eyes to this. The person who strives to live in abundance will be able to help more people and create even more abundance. Of course there is always exceptions...some people are very eccentric. Leona Helmsly ( a billionaire New York City hotel operator and real estate investor) left little to relatives and alot to her dogs!
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04-02-2009, 09:47 PM	#84
Kingpin123 KingPin Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: warriorforum Posts: 29 Thanks: 3 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: What do you think about Money? Their is a saying that money is the root cause of all evil If thats true then all are evil,that doesnt make anysense i have seen my fellow warriors are not greedy of money For me money is the root cause of all GOOD
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04-02-2009, 10:27 PM	#85
Leon McKee HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Bend, OR Posts: 102 Thanks: 6 Thanked 9 Times in 8 Posts	Re: What do you think about Money? We need a method of efficient exchange for goods and services and that's all "money" is in my opinion. Here's my view... I've personally come to the conclusion that life is about: 1) Relationships 2) Experiences I also believe that in support of relationships and experiences my businesses should provide the following TOOLS: 1) Money 2) Time 3) Mobility The above is similar to a reply that I made to an earlier post, but consistency is important Leon McKee

04-03-2009, 10:32 AM	#87
honestbizpro Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 3,842 Thanks: 196 Thanked 510 Times in 316 Posts	Re: What do you think about Money? I can remember when I was very young and my grandmother kept giving me a collection of half dollar coins for my Birthday and at Christmas...I don't know if she was trying to teach me to save or become a coin collector! All I can say is it was very awkward paying for my Double Cheeseburgers with all coins!
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honestbizpro Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 3,842 Thanks: 196 Thanked 510 Times in 316 Posts	Re: What do you think about Money? I read this and it kind of explains how some people always want to borrow money or someone can win the lottery and lose it all... "Before we can begin to deal with the ways to avoid new debt and liquidate existing debt, we have to understand just how we get into debt in the first place. The core problem is simple: Repeated debt results from dysfunctional (or distorted) attitudes and perceptions about money and self. They are generally subconscious; we don’t even realize they’re there. Yet they rule our behavior and actions with the power of a dictator. It’s essential to recognize them for what they are. Unless you do, no external event, no influx of money, no matter how large, is going to correct your financial situation."
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04-04-2009, 07:05 PM	#90
gee1 Active Warrior Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 54 Thanks: 2 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: What do you think about Money? Money is certainly over rated...in this world. I've always felt that real wealth is inner fulfillment, peace and happiness. When you truly understand your deep core values and walk them out through your principles. When you identify your God given purpose and have fun pursuing them. When you start enjoying the journey of life and stop wanting to reach the finish line of success. However, money is not evil nor is it the root of all evil. The Bible says 'it's the love of money that is the root of all evil'...and I so agree. The constant focus and love of money can corrupt and distort your thinking, it can lead you into compromising your morals and principles...before long your desire for money out ways what you would do to get it. The Bible also says in proverbs 'money answers all things'...this is to say money used well can do great things for us and others in this world. Pay bills, help others, share, provide comfort, create opportunity, create freedom, create a lifestyle and so on. So it's how we see it, use it and what we'll do to get it. I am fortunate to have systems in place that produce passive and residual streams of income but I still refuse to rate money higher than It deserves... family, peace, good friendships, giving and showing love is much much much more important. I always keep myself in check with the question 'If you lost all your possessions and were left with the clothes on your back... do you have enough in you to be at peace, happy and content?'... the answer is a resounding 'YES!'

04-04-2009, 07:10 PM	#91
honestbizpro Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 3,842 Thanks: 196 Thanked 510 Times in 316 Posts	Re: What do you think about Money? Very insightful Gee1. I think perceptions of money can change just like one's tax bracket. If you speak to someone who was ridiculed at school because they had holes in both shoes but still had to wear those shoes in the dead of winter...they may never even allow the thought of not having money ever to enter their head once they became successful.
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04-07-2009, 05:19 AM	#93
SOT Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: London, United Kingdom. Posts: 29 Thanks: 4 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Social Networking Contact Info	Re: What do you think about Money? Money is not the root of all evil - money is just money. People, good or bad will do good or evil things with it. I used to think that wanting to be rich is a sin, but now I think that being rich gives freedom to have the time to help others and do good deeds. Look at the A-listers in Hollywood and the world's super rich. A huge percentage of them do charitable things and have foundations set up to help specific less advantaged groups. If you want to be a philanthropist, you first have to be rich. And to be rich, you need money!
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04-07-2009, 07:22 AM	#94
BigCashDetective Active Warrior Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 56 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What do you think about Money? Money should be the fire under your pants, the reason for your ambition. But you can't let that be the only driver as then you can never have "too much money" and in turn you will never be fulfilled/truly happy.

04-07-2009, 11:27 PM	#95
Mark Smith Warrior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 27 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What do you think about Money? its over rated!!!! money creats more problems than solutions!

04-07-2009, 11:31 PM	#96
PeteNY HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: New York Posts: 117 Thanks: 8 Thanked 18 Times in 13 Posts	Re: What do you think about Money? Money, to me, is like points you get for doing something useful for society. Money is good. Greed is bad.

04-08-2009, 12:06 AM	#98
Simo Watch this Space War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 200 Thanks: 100 Thanked 30 Times in 24 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: What do you think about Money? I think this is a great topic Bizpro - Thanks for starting this thread I think in our pursuit of money we often get lost as to "having money" versus "flowing money." Its not really the money itself we strive to get, its more what we can do with the money once we have it... better lifestyles etc. So really money is a means to what we all really want... Freedom of choice to do what we want Money is static unless it is flowed. What I mean by that is that when you use money for something then the money itself is useful. If it sits in a bank vault it isn't doing much except existing. We are all flowing ideas by sharing on this forum. Imagine the power if all of us flowed $20 simultaneously to one cause. Now that is powerful. To me money should be about its use as opposed to its attainment. Once you flow money to yourself (from setting up successful web businesses etc) and from yourself (i.e helping others on this forum or in the greater world), its difficult to turn off the pipeline.
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sajae102 Active Warrior Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 69 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Social Networking	Re: What do you think about Money? Of course money cannot make happiness. That is for sure. I don't know how many CEO and business owners out there that claim they feel like a slave to their business! I could go on and on about how many CEO are stressed out. No wonder they go in debt going on vacations and spa! LOL but, money can cure some problems such as being secure in the future, paying for the best...but it just creates other problems. Have you ever seen someone with a big family that was rich? OH my gosh. They started getting calls from cousins they didn't even know they had. If i ever got rich, I would stash my money, feed the poor and the homeless, help children, build trees, but wouldn't tell a soul i had money.....It just causes all sorts of problems.
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