What do you think about Money?

honestbizpro · 03-10-2009, 05:43 PM

I meet alot of people that feel that the pursuit of wealth is an illness that's needs to be cured.

I guess in this day and age we see so many instances of Greed and excess that one may tend to have a negative perception of wealth.

They say that you should not concentrate on money because then you will not make any. But Bills do have to get paid.

We do alot of things we do not want to do...for some it could just be getting out of bed to go to a 9 to 5 that they dread. But we have to have a source of money.

Some Marriages and relationships are very stressed over finances.

People will back stab, hustle, do all types of unsavory things for money.

Rich people and wannabe rich were conned by a man who told them that they would make more money on wall street.

There are people who saved money their entire lives while mopping floors and then donated millions to colleges.

Some people can not keep money, some people collect money!

I read somewhere that money is a byproduct of giving Value.

Well some may be born into a pile of cash, are they more happy?

I guess everyone has a different perception of money, and just like tax brackets change, so do our perceptions of it either with an abundance of it or a lack of it.

This is the warrior forum. There is no tweeting, no celebrity gossip, no politricks, when we type it in our browsers are we thinking about making money?

I am editing and adding this free resource...it is one of my favorites that shaped my perception of money...

http://www.xtrememind.com/science.pdf

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pwety · 03-10-2009, 11:47 PM

As long as the amount of money can support your lifestyle. The lifestyle should be what can provide you with financial freedom and your fulfillment in life. So the first thing is to understand your major life purpose and from there create long, medium and short term goal.

Cheers .. Pwety

Adway · 03-11-2009, 04:15 AM

Money shouldn't be what holds your life together. It shouldn't be your main focus in life.... There are so many things that are better, more enjoyable. The thing is, you need money to get to those things that provide you comfort, etc....

Money is important, but shouldn't really be your passion in life. You can collect money all you want, but at the end of the day, its green paper in your hand... What next? collect more of it?

.... You can, but I just think there's more to life than simply making money your number one priority.

jayden.fellze · 03-11-2009, 04:30 AM

First work for money, then let money work for you. When you have enough always keep in mind to share especially to the less fortunate, because you can't bring them with you if you are no longer living.

sparkler1 · 03-11-2009, 04:30 AM

I like the way that Stephen Covey puts it in the Seven Habits...
Basically, if you have a goose that lays golden eggs for you - make sure you take care of the goose. If you have a business that supports you, your family, your lifestyle, your goals, etc...make sure you take care of that business. The important thing is not necessarily the money - its you, your family, your lifestyle, your goals....
Another favorite Covey quote "The main thing is to remember to keep the main thing as the main thing"

RoseRabbit · 03-11-2009, 01:25 PM

Money is energy, comes from trees!

honestbizpro · 03-11-2009, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by sparkler1

I like the way that Stephen Covey puts it in the Seven Habits...
Basically, if you have a goose that lays golden eggs for you - make sure you take care of the goose. If you have a business that supports you, your family, your lifestyle, your goals, etc...make sure you take care of that business. The important thing is not necessarily the money - its you, your family, your lifestyle, your goals....
Another favorite Covey quote "The main thing is to remember to keep the main thing as the main thing"

Had to do a search for this Covey Character!

Cool Stuff. Thanks.

"Promotes what he labels "The Character Ethic": aligning one’s values with so-called "universal and timeless" principles. Covey adamantly refuses to confound principles and values; he sees principles as external natural laws, while values remain internal and subjective. Covey proclaims that values govern people’s behavior, but principles ultimately determine the consequences. Covey presents his teachings in a series of habits, manifesting as a progression from dependence via independence to interdependence."

The 7 Habits

Habit 1: Be Proactive: Principles of Personal Choice
Habit 2: Begin with the End in Mind: Principles of Personal Vision
Habit 3: Put First Things First: Principles of Integrity & Execution
Habit 4: Think Win/Win: Principles of Mutual Benefit
Habit 5: Seek First to Understand, Then to be Understood: Principles of Mutual Understanding
Habit 6: Synergize: Principles of Creative Cooperation
Habit 7: Sharpen the Saw: Principles of Balanced Self-Renewal

honestbizpro · 03-11-2009, 08:53 PM

I was just reading about the entrepreneur who created Tapout. Tapout grossed more than $100 million in 2008 alone in sports fan apparel.

He died racing his Ferrari on the highway with a Porche.

That reminds me of the Late Great Corey Rudl who also died at the peak of his Internet Marketing career while racing porches. (on a race track)

Sad and Ironic.

Enjoying what you love has to be way cool. But bright flames blowing out so quickly?

They found some rich guys possesions on the side of a mountain where the plane he was piloting crashed. (some long distance flight attempt)

Is risk taking like crack cocaine? Is there a need to take everything to the extreme?

I know daredevil personas are not exclusive to the wealthy.

I like risk, and I like adrenalin rushes.

I love rollercoasters! But when it comes to taking certain risk we have to think about those that love us, care for us, who would be devasted by our absence.

Risking life doing daredevil stunts is kinda like getting rich from scamming. (Madoff..cough)

Why work so hard if you will not be around to enjoy it.

Just thinking/typing out loud.

Pat Ordenes · 03-12-2009, 12:03 AM

Zeitgeist - The Movie
about the monetary system..
I'm sure this has been posted before, but just in case...

robie · 03-12-2009, 03:10 AM

Money is important

morwanneg · 03-12-2009, 03:15 AM

In hell, people need money. In heaven, money is nothing because people are already in touch with their higher selves.

spietreser · 03-12-2009, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jayden.fellze

First work for money, then let money work for you.

I totally agree.

I think of money as a MEANS to do the things that you really want, money never should be the goal IMHO. Also, I try to always be grateful for the things that I do have, it keeps me humble and even more grateful for increase.

jasdon · 03-12-2009, 05:33 AM

The way you think about money, either attracts it to you, or pushes it further away.

When you think about money, are you thinking of debt, worry, trouble, lack of it...? If so, when you try to make money, you are doing it from a weak position; a position of desperation. To make money, you need to feel good about it or it'll never happen. Get excited about it - think of it as a game (or even a sport) if that helps - that's basically what it is. However, this must be a game where no-one loses...each side must get value.

Like they say, 'guns don't kill people; people kill people', similar can be said for money, 'money's not bad, (some) people are bad'.

Entrepreneurs make money - they create employment for others - they provide the basis for society. Entrepreneurs will be the force that gets the world economy moving again, not bail-outs.

Robert_Rand · 03-12-2009, 06:12 AM

Personally, I think the majority of people are brainwashed into believing that lack and scarcity equates to morality.

Sometimes it's subtle - but it's there...

And no money is definitely NOT everything. Far from it actually.

But there's no reason to feel guilty in any way taking all that you desire. Not taking from "anyone." That's the "fair share" scarcity mindset. I'm talking about taking from the Ocean of Abundance - claiming to the Universe that you are worthy of everything you desire. Ok, maybe I'm getting a little too metaphysical... I'll simplify it:

GET PAID!

Robert

P.S. Nice post HBP and very good points jasdon.

nyting · 03-12-2009, 06:54 AM

It is quite right that while I am typing in this forum, it's about money. It's because I'd attended a webinar and would like to make some income under such high unemployment rate.

On the other hand, I do like to write; therefore, this isn't a difficult task for me. I am just guessing, people joined this forum, probably hate the 9-5 work schedule; well, at least I am. There's always 2 questions in mind:

Who "invent" the thing "job"? and Who "invent" the thing "money"?

I see people work around the clock all day because they need the money for their house's and car's mortages. I can deal with cars; you can lease (personally, I don't believe in leasing...) or you can finance then own the car in 5 years. But a house, it takes 15 to 30 years - that means almost spending your whole life - not working for yourself, but working for your house.

Am I weird? Am I the only one in the world think like this? Think that the things "job" and "money" are disturbing the nature of people's lives?
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nyting

stefanjames · 03-12-2009, 07:00 AM

Money is the reason I strive so hard. Why? I'm going to get to a point where my money is working for me, then my family will never had money problems, I will donate to charities, and live the kind of lifestyle I've always dreamed of. So YES MONEY IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT!

James12C · 03-12-2009, 09:49 AM

Well - I needed to completely reverse a mindset that "There's wasn't enough... " to "There's plenty - and I'm going to enjoy my share - to spend, to enjoy, to share, to invest" (well, maybe not that last one!)

cowboyrob · 03-13-2009, 02:29 AM

This question has been a source of internal struggle for me for quite some time. I feel like my whole life up until now has been geared towards priming me for my adult life. Each and every day, I become more aware of the fact that my adult life's primary purpose is to make money so I can meet the needs of myself and my future family. But, what is the purpose of making any more than that? What's the point of striving for "ultimate riches?"

To me, money will be the means with which I am able to live a comfortable life, but not a lavish one. The riches that I will find in life will be, and always have been, from my family and friends. Due to the way society has developed, everyone must have a trade to stay alive. So, I will strive to make enough money in my life to find riches elsewhere.

Wizardofwisdom · 03-13-2009, 07:46 PM

Be happy, be completely and passionately yourself. The highest paid "commodity" in the world is enthusiasm!

Money follows naturally when you are contributing YOU to the world in all your uniqueness -whether you are an artist, a farmer, a writer, a doctor ... it doesn't matter - do it because you love it!

You are a human being, not a human doing! Don't chase money because the bills need to be paid. Giving of yourself fully IS how you give value - there is only one YOU!

From your resourcefulness, that is your re-SOURCE FULLNESS - give, and you will be rewarded with food, shelter, love and yes, your bills will get paid too.

I live this more and more each day - and it totally works.

Thanks for a good question.

All good things
Trev.

honestbizpro · 03-13-2009, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Wizardofwisdom

Be happy, be completely and passionately yourself. The highest paid "commodity" in the world is enthusiasm!

Money follows naturally when you are contributing YOU to the world in all your uniqueness -whether you are an artist, a farmer, a writer, a doctor ... it doesn't matter - do it because you love it!

You are a human being, not a human doing! Don't chase money because the bills need to be paid. Giving of yourself fully IS how you give value - there is only one YOU!

From your resourcefulness, that is your re-SOURCE FULLNESS - give, and you will be rewarded with food, shelter, love and yes, your bills will get paid too.

I live this more and more each day - and it totally works.

Thanks for a good question.

All good things
Trev.

Quit showing off! Who do you think you are? A Wizard of Wisdom?!!!!!

Love That Contribution!

fahadabrarkhan · 03-14-2009, 07:15 PM

I think money is very essential part of everyday life. If you don't have enough money you feel empty , stressed out and have depression. Your boyfriend or girlfriend might break up with you if you don't earn enough. I was a bit suprised by the fact that money drives people to form relationship. No one wants to be a looser. Everyone wants to get more , earn more and have more fun in life.

salonmar · 03-14-2009, 07:31 PM

I agree with honestbizpro.

I think most people are not saying that they desire a lot of money just to have it, but since money is what we use in exchange for goods and services we all need some.

Who in their right mind don't want their family to have the best and live the best.
We only live up to our own self -image. If you have a poor self-image about money you will have poor finances.

The choice is ours.

jgand · 03-14-2009, 07:51 PM

Money makes the world go around.

You need it to survive and prosper.

But family is still more important.

nikmerchant · 03-15-2009, 04:49 AM

For me, money is only a tool.. nothing more, nothing less...

A tool to achieve whatever you want in life.. Money has no value physically but it has the value to have anything you want..

Is money is important? Hell yeah!!! But it not everything that you need in life, especially happiness...

honestbizpro · 03-15-2009, 07:20 PM

I know one thing, I had a blog on Gold Investing and that baby made me alot of money when I sold it!

vencedor08 · 03-15-2009, 07:31 PM

Money is good only when we are not selfish and do our best to help the needy...I mean the really needy people.

nyting · 03-17-2009, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jgand

Money makes the world go around.

You need it to survive and prosper.

But family is still more important.

agree with jgand. yes, family is still more important. I believe money is not a good topic to be discussed between family members. not with your parents, partners, nor siblings, nor closed friends. It will definitely hurt or even destroy the relationship between you and these people. My experience told me, never talke about money with people you care.

honestbizpro · 03-17-2009, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by nyting

agree with jgand. yes, family is still more important. I believe money is not a good topic to be discussed between family members. not with your parents, partners, nor siblings, nor closed friends. It will definitely hurt or even destroy the relationship between you and these people. My experience told me, never talke about money with people you care.

Oh my friend, you must not have ever had to see the family Drama after someone in the family passes away.

I mean some serious Drama! To the point where siblings are in court Vs. each other!

Yes! Discuss money! Plan! Document! Share ideas!

Know Intentions! Take action today, before something happens, not after.

jcisme · 03-17-2009, 03:20 PM

Nature's first imperative is survival and without money survival is almost impossible yet so many grow up with the idea that there is something inherently evil about money. You know it's the 'the love of money is the root of all evil' thing. Therefore, without even being conscious of it these two conflictin ideas can keep slamming into each other and causing all kinds of mischief in one's life.

spires · 03-17-2009, 03:27 PM

It makes no difference, as long as your happy in life.

David Perez · 03-17-2009, 03:42 PM

I simply think that its what you do with money that makes you happy. If I had to choose between being broke and unhappy and being rich and unhappy i'll choose being rich. I can work on the happy part. Thats just my opinion.

Dave

palaki · 03-17-2009, 07:35 PM

What I have experienced in my life is that money is the important element in your life, but it is not only the most important element though.
Money cannot buy a life to person who is going to die of cancer, however wealthy he cud be.
Money cannot buy you love..If it can..let me know
Therefore, there are many factors involved to judge money as a GOD..Well
on the other side, We need money to live and this is a sour truth of life..

ileneg · 03-17-2009, 07:45 PM

Here's a great book on this very subject - "Secrets of the Millionaire Mind" by T. Harv Eker.

ileneg

nyting · 03-18-2009, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by honestbizpro

Oh my friend, you must not have ever had to see the family Drama after someone in the family passes away.

I mean some serious Drama! To the point where siblings are in court Vs. each other!

Yes! Discuss money! Plan! Document! Share ideas!

Know Intentions! Take action today, before something happens, not after.

honestbizpro, definitely have seen those ugly drama in real life before. i never thought these ugly, dramatical scenes would happen that closed to myself... There's nobody passed away nor a will has been drafted or changed. What I've gone make up my mind not to discuss money with family or closed friends anymore. Money discussions turned into "arguments" because of different prospects or intentions; whether it's good or bad... but i do agree with you that planning and knowing others' intentions are essentials to avoid any troubles that may happen in the future.

the weird and tricky part is, once I pull myself out from any kind of money-related discussions, one may think that no more troubles related to money will come to you... however, these people say I am being "selfish" now... I wonder how they come up with this idea?!

money itself is not awful. the intention towards money can be horrible!

Virtual Banker · 03-18-2009, 07:53 AM

Our Battle is epic.

Mastering material wealth is the first step to get out of the way. If one cannot master material wealth, then they should not even bother going towards deeper pursuits.

honestbizpro · 03-18-2009, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by nyting

honestbizpro, definitely have seen those ugly drama in real life before. i never thought these ugly, dramatical scenes would happen that closed to myself... There's nobody passed away nor a will has been drafted or changed. What I've gone make up my mind not to discuss money with family or closed friends anymore. Money discussions turned into "arguments" because of different prospects or intentions; whether it's good or bad... but i do agree with you that planning and knowing others' intentions are essentials to avoid any troubles that may happen in the future.

the weird and tricky part is, once I pull myself out from any kind of money-related discussions, one may think that no more troubles related to money will come to you... however, these people say I am being "selfish" now... I wonder how they come up with this idea?!

money itself is not awful. the intention towards money can be horrible!

ahh, I feel you nyting.

Sometimes we can be as positive as possible about money but some people have been conditioned to think totally the opposite. Hard to teach old dogs new tricks they say...I guess that is when you have to look out for number 1.

I can remember when I lived in Wash. D.C. for a while, the panhandling was very common there, I would feel very good to offer some help to someone down and out on one corner, but what about the one on the next corner, and the corner after that?

You start to get numb to it. Now I just pick and choose when and how I give and I never need any fanfare or acknowledgement for it. I just do because I like to do it whenever I can.

redspin17 · 03-18-2009, 04:51 PM

I think money is a tool.

Whenever you see it as anything else, you can get yourself into trouble, not only in your relationships but in your life.

keithaul · 03-18-2009, 09:13 PM

At one point in the history of this world, this paper instrument we call 'money' never existed. Somewhere, somehow this negotiable instrument was created to exchange for goods and services. It's a part of our world today and we all need some just to have some necessities in life, like food, clothing and shelter.

If we choose to want a fuller life, than money will have to be a apart of that. For example, if we want and desire to travel to other countries then we must have more money to do this. With those travels we gather experience of traveling to other countries and learning the cultures of those places. We would also meet people we would not otherwise meet in our lifetime. This is the true definition of being rich because rich means an abundance of something. When traveling we gather an abundance of knowledge. The more knowledge we gather in our lifetime and apply that knowledge we become richer and lead a more fuller life.

redred1160 · 03-18-2009, 11:22 PM

Money is a road with cross ways it leads many ways just depends which way you go. By which i mean money is not a problem is what you do with it or to get it.

TheAge · 03-19-2009, 09:03 AM

Money is a beautiful thing. It is a metaphor for human achievement. No, money cannot buy you happiness. I am convinced only purpose can bring you that.

However, money is still very important. Money is the root of all GOOD.

Here's a speech from the novel 'Atlas Shrugged':
"So you think that money is the root of all evil?" said Francisco d'Anconia. "Have you ever asked what is the root of money? Money is a tool of exchange, which can't exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them. Money is the material shape of the principle that men who wish to deal with one another must deal by trade and give value for value. Money is not the tool of the moochers, who claim your product by tears, or of the looters, who take it from you by force. Money is made possible only by the men who produce. Is this what you consider evil?"

The rest of it can be found at: capmag.com/article.asp?ID=1826

(I am not yet able to post live links)

- Adrian

naruq · 03-19-2009, 09:29 AM

When you have money you have better options and more freedom. However, you should not just focus on money and ignore the other areas of your life.

honestbizpro · 03-19-2009, 04:49 PM

I can remember the first dollar I ever made online....worth much more than a dollar.

Karen Blundell · 03-19-2009, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheAge

Money is a beautiful thing. It is a metaphor for human achievement. No, money cannot buy you happiness. I am convinced only purpose can bring you that.

However, money is still very important. Money is the root of all GOOD.

Here's a speech from the novel 'Atlas Shrugged':
"So you think that money is the root of all evil?" said Francisco d'Anconia. "Have you ever asked what is the root of money? Money is a tool of exchange, which can't exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them. Money is the material shape of the principle that men who wish to deal with one another must deal by trade and give value for value. Money is not the tool of the moochers, who claim your product by tears, or of the looters, who take it from you by force. Money is made possible only by the men who produce. Is this what you consider evil?"

The rest of it can be found at: capmag.com/article.asp?ID=1826

(I am not yet able to post live links)

- Adrian

Adrain, brilliant comment! Everyone, everywhere should read Atlas Shrugged, not once but several times so that they understand it fully.

nyting · 03-20-2009, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by honestbizpro

ahh, I feel you nyting.

Sometimes we can be as positive as possible about money but some people have been conditioned to think totally the opposite. Hard to teach old dogs new tricks they say...I guess that is when you have to look out for number 1.

I can remember when I lived in Wash. D.C. for a while....

You start to get numb to it. Now I just pick and choose when and how I give and I never need any fanfare or acknowledgement for it. I just do because I like to do it whenever I can.

oh, thank you, thank you, thank you, honestbizpro... finally, seems like somebody in the world see my view. I thought I was crazy or out of my mind... or just couldn't be involved into this modern society! is there anybody else feel the same?!

I started to think money as a negative object a few years ago. The object "money," transformed me from a "yes" person to someone learns to say "No." One of my best friends told me it's time for me to learn something new - called "selfish" and it will make my life more happier! Say "no" if I am too busy and overwhelmed and stuff I don't feel I like to do., and etc. These lead to another conclusion, "Money" actually is not AWFUL at all, it's the intentions of men how they treats the money.

As you said, now that you like to give out whenever and wherever you want. It doesn't matter what others people think. I learn similar idea over the past several years. The bottom line is "Just don't over-spend and control yourself!" --
I gave out $5 to a girl in a parking lot for 3 candies during Christmas Eve because she said she wants to buy a decent gift to her mom. Well, most people will think that was a lie. What I thought at that moment was, what if that was true,

nyting · 03-20-2009, 05:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Virtual Banker

Our Battle is epic.

Mastering material wealth is the first step to get out of the way. If one cannot master material wealth, then they should not even bother going towards deeper pursuits.

Hello Vitual Banker, why would you think people should "master" material wealth?! Please correct me if I interpret it wrong: it sounds like, there's a war going on; people are going after money like drugged soldiers. If that's the case, money definitely is "evil" and it shouldn't be existed in the first place! In real life, as I said in previous post, money itself is not awful, it's how men's intentions (well, not all men...) treat money becomes "unhealthy."

reynald2790 · 03-20-2009, 11:45 AM

Well for me money is just a symbolization of success in business. Money is also a symbol of greediness and being corrupt in sense of using it in a wrong way.

glenn0728 · 03-21-2009, 04:20 AM

money is one of the 4 pillars of success... health, wealth, relationships, and mental aptitude

jyzackoh · 03-21-2009, 05:57 AM

Hi guys.

To me I think money is an important part of life. If you do not have money, you can't pay bills, you can't survive!

But the thing about money is, if you are obsessed with money, you'll keep trying to get more and slowly you'll think of unorthodox means of getting money. Earning money in my opinion should be enjoyable. It shouldn't involve doing things you hate.

That's my 2 cents!

EnlightenedEntrepreneurs · 03-21-2009, 12:08 PM

I am not religious. However, I do gain priceless knowledge and wisdom from religious texts.

The Book of Proverbs is one of the best books I have ever read.

1. Wisdom > Money

Wisdom often brings enduring wealth (8:18, 21).
Wisdom yields better fruit than money (8:20).
Wisdom enables one to rightly use money (17:16).
Wisdom gives one proper restraint in the pursuit of money (23:4).

2. Righteousness > Money

Righteous people can have great riches that involve no trouble (15:6).
A poor, but blameless man (i.e. one who is righteous) is better off (i.e. before God) than a rich, but perverse man (28:6).
God often rewards the righteous with money (13:21).
It is better to have a little money with righteousness than much with injustice (16:8).

Hard Work --> Money

Diligent people, in contrast to lazy people, often have more money (10:4).
All hard work brings a profit whereas mere talk accomplishes nothing (14:23).
Acquiring wealth takes diligent planning; anything less may end up in ruin(21:5).
People who cannot control their spending habits end up with nothing (21:17).

Money = Limited Power

Money can do nothing to deliver someone from the wrath of God (11:4).
Money is very temporal and lasts but a short time (23:5; 27:24).
Money cannot be trusted in for it will lead to one's downfall (11:28). Trust, instead, in God (28:25).

Money Used Well = Good

Money can provide protection from certain problems and alleviate certain stresses (10: 15).
Money can be left as an inheritance to help one's descendants in this life (13:22).
An industrious wife can make sufficient money to help he family (31:18).

Rich, Deep Relationships > Money

Rich people tend to receive more attention from others than poor people do. There is often favoritism (14:20).
If you are rich, be careful of people who desire your friendship (19:4a).
If you are poor, do not be surprised if people abandon you for a rich friend (19:4b; cf. 19:7).
Those with money often become the target of thieves et al. (13:8).
The poor person can often see through the facade of the rich person who thinks he knows it all (28:11).
A good reputation with people is better than much money (22:1).
Because of money people often try to pretend to be something they're not; they live a lie (13:7).
Rich people often "lord it over" poor people (22:7).

Giving = Good

Generosity, not stinginess often leads to having more money (11:24).
Generosity often leads to the giver being spiritually refreshed (11:25).
Those who are stingy often end up with nothing (11:24b;11:26b; 28:22).

Dirty Money = Bad

Money gained by dishonest means dwindles away fast (13:11).
People who oppress others for money can come to poverty because of it (22:16a).

Greed = Bad

Greed for money can lead to family problems (15:27).
Do not charge exorbitant interest; justice will prevail (28:8).
Ask God for the proper amount of money (30:8).

Clearly, money is an important part of life, but the love of money will lead to one's downfall. In the end, money is a means to an end and not an end in itself. When it becomes the end, life becomes an empty and meaningless pursuit of material.

Money can be used for good and bad. Money can be acquired in good and bad ways. Nevertheless, karma will always prevail. Money alone will not bring happiness. The difficulty and the morality of acheiving wealth will be the ultimate determinant of one's happiness with the achieved wealth.

Warrior J · 03-21-2009, 12:48 PM

I know money is important, it is absolutely necessary for everyone to survive. Money eludes people because people's perception of money is often very negative, so they see it as something evil and unpleasant and something they have to deal with. Rather than seeing it as something that is independent of actions and emotions and is simply a catalyst for people's deeds. Be them good or bad. Money is what you make it thus if in your mind money is a bad thing then that's how you will react to money. The same is true when you have a positive outlook on the green stuff.

Warrior J

03-10-2009, 05:43 PM	#1
honestbizpro Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 3,842 Thanks: 195 Thanked 509 Times in 316 Posts	What do you think about Money? I meet alot of people that feel that the pursuit of wealth is an illness that's needs to be cured. I guess in this day and age we see so many instances of Greed and excess that one may tend to have a negative perception of wealth. They say that you should not concentrate on money because then you will not make any. But Bills do have to get paid. We do alot of things we do not want to do...for some it could just be getting out of bed to go to a 9 to 5 that they dread. But we have to have a source of money. Some Marriages and relationships are very stressed over finances. People will back stab, hustle, do all types of unsavory things for money. Rich people and wannabe rich were conned by a man who told them that they would make more money on wall street. There are people who saved money their entire lives while mopping floors and then donated millions to colleges. Some people can not keep money, some people collect money! I read somewhere that money is a byproduct of giving Value. Well some may be born into a pile of cash, are they more happy? I guess everyone has a different perception of money, and just like tax brackets change, so do our perceptions of it either with an abundance of it or a lack of it. This is the warrior forum. There is no tweeting, no celebrity gossip, no politricks, when we type it in our browsers are we thinking about making money? I am editing and adding this free resource...it is one of my favorites that shaped my perception of money... http://www.xtrememind.com/science.pdf .
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03-10-2009, 11:47 PM	#2
pwety Warrior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Contact Info	Re: What do you think about Money? As long as the amount of money can support your lifestyle. The lifestyle should be what can provide you with financial freedom and your fulfillment in life. So the first thing is to understand your major life purpose and from there create long, medium and short term goal. Cheers .. Pwety
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03-11-2009, 04:15 AM	#3
Adway HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: In California Posts: 331 Thanks: 54 Thanked 53 Times in 41 Posts	Re: What do you think about Money? Money shouldn't be what holds your life together. It shouldn't be your main focus in life.... There are so many things that are better, more enjoyable. The thing is, you need money to get to those things that provide you comfort, etc.... Money is important, but shouldn't really be your passion in life. You can collect money all you want, but at the end of the day, its green paper in your hand... What next? collect more of it? .... You can, but I just think there's more to life than simply making money your number one priority.

03-11-2009, 04:30 AM	#4
jayden.fellze It's just me! Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 471 Thanks: 11 Thanked 17 Times in 16 Posts	Re: What do you think about Money? First work for money, then let money work for you. When you have enough always keep in mind to share especially to the less fortunate, because you can't bring them with you if you are no longer living.
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03-11-2009, 04:30 AM	#5
sparkler1 Warrior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 15 Thanks: 1 Thanked 3 Times in 1 Post	Re: What do you think about Money? I like the way that Stephen Covey puts it in the Seven Habits... Basically, if you have a goose that lays golden eggs for you - make sure you take care of the goose. If you have a business that supports you, your family, your lifestyle, your goals, etc...make sure you take care of that business. The important thing is not necessarily the money - its you, your family, your lifestyle, your goals.... Another favorite Covey quote "The main thing is to remember to keep the main thing as the main thing"
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03-11-2009, 01:25 PM	#6
RoseRabbit Warrior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 1 Post	Re: What do you think about Money? Money is energy, comes from trees!

03-11-2009, 08:53 PM	#8
honestbizpro Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 3,842 Thanks: 195 Thanked 509 Times in 316 Posts	Re: What do you think about Money? I was just reading about the entrepreneur who created Tapout. Tapout grossed more than $100 million in 2008 alone in sports fan apparel. He died racing his Ferrari on the highway with a Porche. That reminds me of the Late Great Corey Rudl who also died at the peak of his Internet Marketing career while racing porches. (on a race track) Sad and Ironic. Enjoying what you love has to be way cool. But bright flames blowing out so quickly? They found some rich guys possesions on the side of a mountain where the plane he was piloting crashed. (some long distance flight attempt) Is risk taking like crack cocaine? Is there a need to take everything to the extreme? I know daredevil personas are not exclusive to the wealthy. I like risk, and I like adrenalin rushes. I love rollercoasters! But when it comes to taking certain risk we have to think about those that love us, care for us, who would be devasted by our absence. Risking life doing daredevil stunts is kinda like getting rich from scamming. (Madoff..cough) Why work so hard if you will not be around to enjoy it. Just thinking/typing out loud.
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03-12-2009, 12:03 AM	#9
Pat Ordenes Graphic designer warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 414 Thanks: 32 Thanked 55 Times in 41 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: What do you think about Money? Zeitgeist - The Movie about the monetary system.. I'm sure this has been posted before, but just in case...
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03-12-2009, 03:10 AM	#10
robie Active Warrior Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 57 Thanks: 13 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: What do you think about Money? Money is important

03-12-2009, 03:15 AM	#11
morwanneg Lost Monk Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: San Diego Posts: 149 Thanks: 6 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Social Networking	Re: What do you think about Money? In hell, people need money. In heaven, money is nothing because people are already in touch with their higher selves.
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03-12-2009, 05:33 AM	#13
jasdon HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: UK Posts: 156 Thanks: 24 Thanked 32 Times in 22 Posts	Re: What do you think about Money? The way you think about money, either attracts it to you, or pushes it further away. When you think about money, are you thinking of debt, worry, trouble, lack of it...? If so, when you try to make money, you are doing it from a weak position; a position of desperation. To make money, you need to feel good about it or it'll never happen. Get excited about it - think of it as a game (or even a sport) if that helps - that's basically what it is. However, this must be a game where no-one loses...each side must get value. Like they say, 'guns don't kill people; people kill people', similar can be said for money, 'money's not bad, (some) people are bad'. Entrepreneurs make money - they create employment for others - they provide the basis for society. Entrepreneurs will be the force that gets the world economy moving again, not bail-outs.

03-12-2009, 06:12 AM	#14
Robert_Rand HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 160 Thanks: 27 Thanked 21 Times in 17 Posts	Re: What do you think about Money? Personally, I think the majority of people are brainwashed into believing that lack and scarcity equates to morality. Sometimes it's subtle - but it's there... And no money is definitely NOT everything. Far from it actually. But there's no reason to feel guilty in any way taking all that you desire. Not taking from "anyone." That's the "fair share" scarcity mindset. I'm talking about taking from the Ocean of Abundance - claiming to the Universe that you are worthy of everything you desire. Ok, maybe I'm getting a little too metaphysical... I'll simplify it: GET PAID! Robert P.S. Nice post HBP and very good points jasdon.

03-12-2009, 06:54 AM	#15
nyting Active Warrior Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: California Posts: 39 Blog Entries: 12 Thanks: 3 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Social Networking	Re: What do you think about Money? It is quite right that while I am typing in this forum, it's about money. It's because I'd attended a webinar and would like to make some income under such high unemployment rate. On the other hand, I do like to write; therefore, this isn't a difficult task for me. I am just guessing, people joined this forum, probably hate the 9-5 work schedule; well, at least I am. There's always 2 questions in mind: Who "invent" the thing "job"? and Who "invent" the thing "money"? I see people work around the clock all day because they need the money for their house's and car's mortages. I can deal with cars; you can lease (personally, I don't believe in leasing...) or you can finance then own the car in 5 years. But a house, it takes 15 to 30 years - that means almost spending your whole life - not working for yourself, but working for your house. Am I weird? Am I the only one in the world think like this? Think that the things "job" and "money" are disturbing the nature of people's lives? -------------------------- nyting

03-12-2009, 07:00 AM	#16
stefanjames HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 209 Thanks: 0 Thanked 24 Times in 13 Posts Social Networking	Re: What do you think about Money? Money is the reason I strive so hard. Why? I'm going to get to a point where my money is working for me, then my family will never had money problems, I will donate to charities, and live the kind of lifestyle I've always dreamed of. So YES MONEY IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT!

03-12-2009, 09:49 AM	#17
James12C HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Bristol, UK, and Italy. Posts: 303 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 26 Thanked 35 Times in 25 Posts Social Networking	Re: What do you think about Money? Well - I needed to completely reverse a mindset that "There's wasn't enough... " to "There's plenty - and I'm going to enjoy my share - to spend, to enjoy, to share, to invest" (well, maybe not that last one!)
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03-13-2009, 02:29 AM	#18
cowboyrob Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Texas, USA Posts: 63 Thanks: 10 Thanked 10 Times in 9 Posts Contact Info	Re: What do you think about Money? This question has been a source of internal struggle for me for quite some time. I feel like my whole life up until now has been geared towards priming me for my adult life. Each and every day, I become more aware of the fact that my adult life's primary purpose is to make money so I can meet the needs of myself and my future family. But, what is the purpose of making any more than that? What's the point of striving for "ultimate riches?" To me, money will be the means with which I am able to live a comfortable life, but not a lavish one. The riches that I will find in life will be, and always have been, from my family and friends. Due to the way society has developed, everyone must have a trade to stay alive. So, I will strive to make enough money in my life to find riches elsewhere.

03-13-2009, 07:46 PM	#19
Wizardofwisdom HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Exeter, United Kingdom. Posts: 147 Thanks: 6 Thanked 53 Times in 23 Posts	Re: What do you think about Money? Be happy, be completely and passionately yourself. The highest paid "commodity" in the world is enthusiasm! Money follows naturally when you are contributing YOU to the world in all your uniqueness -whether you are an artist, a farmer, a writer, a doctor ... it doesn't matter - do it because you love it! You are a human being, not a human doing! Don't chase money because the bills need to be paid. Giving of yourself fully IS how you give value - there is only one YOU! From your resourcefulness, that is your re-SOURCE FULLNESS - give, and you will be rewarded with food, shelter, love and yes, your bills will get paid too. I live this more and more each day - and it totally works. Thanks for a good question. All good things Trev.
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03-14-2009, 07:15 PM	#21
fahadabrarkhan Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 63 Thanks: 4 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: What do you think about Money? I think money is very essential part of everyday life. If you don't have enough money you feel empty , stressed out and have depression. Your boyfriend or girlfriend might break up with you if you don't earn enough. I was a bit suprised by the fact that money drives people to form relationship. No one wants to be a looser. Everyone wants to get more , earn more and have more fun in life.

03-14-2009, 07:31 PM	#22
salonmar biz developer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Greenville, NC USA. Posts: 69 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Social Networking	Re: What do you think about Money? I agree with honestbizpro. I think most people are not saying that they desire a lot of money just to have it, but since money is what we use in exchange for goods and services we all need some. Who in their right mind don't want their family to have the best and live the best. We only live up to our own self -image. If you have a poor self-image about money you will have poor finances. The choice is ours.
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03-14-2009, 07:51 PM	#23
jgand jgand Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 75 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: What do you think about Money? Money makes the world go around. You need it to survive and prosper. But family is still more important.
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03-15-2009, 04:49 AM	#24
nikmerchant Active Warrior Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Malaysia Posts: 48 Thanks: 2 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Social Networking	Re: What do you think about Money? For me, money is only a tool.. nothing more, nothing less... A tool to achieve whatever you want in life.. Money has no value physically but it has the value to have anything you want.. Is money is important? Hell yeah!!! But it not everything that you need in life, especially happiness...
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03-15-2009, 07:20 PM	#25
honestbizpro Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 3,842 Thanks: 195 Thanked 509 Times in 316 Posts	Re: What do you think about Money? I know one thing, I had a blog on Gold Investing and that baby made me alot of money when I sold it!
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03-15-2009, 07:31 PM	#26
vencedor08 HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 106 Thanks: 1 Thanked 14 Times in 14 Posts	Re: What do you think about Money? Money is good only when we are not selfish and do our best to help the needy...I mean the really needy people.

03-17-2009, 03:20 PM	#29
jcisme Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: So. California Posts: 53 Thanks: 9 Thanked 11 Times in 2 Posts	Re: What do you think about Money? Nature's first imperative is survival and without money survival is almost impossible yet so many grow up with the idea that there is something inherently evil about money. You know it's the 'the love of money is the root of all evil' thing. Therefore, without even being conscious of it these two conflictin ideas can keep slamming into each other and causing all kinds of mischief in one's life.
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03-17-2009, 03:27 PM	#30
spires www.Secrets4Adwords.com Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: London Posts: 116 Thanks: 0 Thanked 12 Times in 9 Posts Social Networking	Re: What do you think about Money? It makes no difference, as long as your happy in life.
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03-17-2009, 03:42 PM	#31
David Perez Warrior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What do you think about Money? I simply think that its what you do with money that makes you happy. If I had to choose between being broke and unhappy and being rich and unhappy i'll choose being rich. I can work on the happy part. Thats just my opinion. Dave
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03-17-2009, 07:35 PM	#32
palaki Clients are Welcome Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: I live in Philippines Posts: 52 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Contact Info	Re: What do you think about Money? What I have experienced in my life is that money is the important element in your life, but it is not only the most important element though. Money cannot buy a life to person who is going to die of cancer, however wealthy he cud be. Money cannot buy you love..If it can..let me know Therefore, there are many factors involved to judge money as a GOD..Well on the other side, We need money to live and this is a sour truth of life..
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03-17-2009, 07:45 PM	#33
ileneg HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 375 Thanks: 32 Thanked 29 Times in 25 Posts	Re: What do you think about Money? Here's a great book on this very subject - "Secrets of the Millionaire Mind" by T. Harv Eker. ileneg
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03-18-2009, 07:53 AM	#35
Virtual Banker Active Warrior Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: not San Diego Posts: 98 Thanks: 6 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	Re: What do you think about Money? Our Battle is epic. Mastering material wealth is the first step to get out of the way. If one cannot master material wealth, then they should not even bother going towards deeper pursuits.

03-18-2009, 04:51 PM	#37
redspin17 Warrior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Carpinteria, California Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: What do you think about Money? I think money is a tool. Whenever you see it as anything else, you can get yourself into trouble, not only in your relationships but in your life.
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03-18-2009, 09:13 PM	#38
keithaul Active Warrior Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Chicago Area Posts: 72 Thanks: 2 Thanked 22 Times in 16 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: What do you think about Money? At one point in the history of this world, this paper instrument we call 'money' never existed. Somewhere, somehow this negotiable instrument was created to exchange for goods and services. It's a part of our world today and we all need some just to have some necessities in life, like food, clothing and shelter. If we choose to want a fuller life, than money will have to be a apart of that. For example, if we want and desire to travel to other countries then we must have more money to do this. With those travels we gather experience of traveling to other countries and learning the cultures of those places. We would also meet people we would not otherwise meet in our lifetime. This is the true definition of being rich because rich means an abundance of something. When traveling we gather an abundance of knowledge. The more knowledge we gather in our lifetime and apply that knowledge we become richer and lead a more fuller life.

03-18-2009, 11:22 PM	#39
redred1160 Warrior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What do you think about Money? Money is a road with cross ways it leads many ways just depends which way you go. By which i mean money is not a problem is what you do with it or to get it.
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03-19-2009, 09:03 AM	#40
TheAge Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 58 Thanks: 8 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	Re: What do you think about Money? Money is a beautiful thing. It is a metaphor for human achievement. No, money cannot buy you happiness. I am convinced only purpose can bring you that. However, money is still very important. Money is the root of all GOOD. Here's a speech from the novel 'Atlas Shrugged': "So you think that money is the root of all evil?" said Francisco d'Anconia. "Have you ever asked what is the root of money? Money is a tool of exchange, which can't exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them. Money is the material shape of the principle that men who wish to deal with one another must deal by trade and give value for value. Money is not the tool of the moochers, who claim your product by tears, or of the looters, who take it from you by force. Money is made possible only by the men who produce. Is this what you consider evil?" The rest of it can be found at: capmag.com/article.asp?ID=1826 (I am not yet able to post live links) - Adrian

03-19-2009, 09:29 AM	#41
naruq Karim Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: New York Posts: 664 Thanks: 0 Thanked 35 Times in 33 Posts	Re: What do you think about Money? When you have money you have better options and more freedom. However, you should not just focus on money and ignore the other areas of your life.
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03-19-2009, 04:49 PM	#42
honestbizpro Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: , , . Posts: 3,842 Thanks: 195 Thanked 509 Times in 316 Posts	Re: What do you think about Money? I can remember the first dollar I ever made online....worth much more than a dollar.
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