The Secret and The Law of Attraction Is A Fiction and you Should Not be Fooled for a Moment Longer

John Derrick · 03-20-2009, 07:46 PM

When I changed how I thought about the world.... and how I felt... everything around me changed. My life changed dramatically. Everything in it did... I went from bankrupt to a thriving online business. I lost 100lbs... I overcame two so-called uncurable diseases..... my health improved dramatically.

It is easy to make statements like "the law of attraciton is not real".

It is easy to say "a lot of rich people say that it worked for them, but it's just a coincidence".

Words are always easy to come by.

ACTIONS.... actions on the other hand speak much louder than words.

Results like mine are not rare.... in fact, they are the norm for people who wholeheartedly consciously change how they think and feel... a shift from the negative to the positive.

Results speak much louder than words.

fred59 · 03-21-2009, 05:13 PM

Enjoyed this post, don't know or care if the "Law Of Atraction" is ficitional or not but has shown me that I am in charge of my beliefs

aapillc · 03-30-2009, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ZigZag

If people are getteing results because of practicing Law Of Attraction techniques and principles—and they're more successful and happier than ever—then why come into the forum and start preaching against it?

I have a gratitude rock which I learned from The Secret and it's a wonderful exercise. I'm not expecting a Ferrari to fall in to my lap because of it however it's still a productive exercise. And I'm happier because of it.

Personally I believe that there's things going on in this World and The Universe that we're yet to understand.

Thousounds of years ago people would have been killed for proposing that the Earth was round instead of flat. And at one point in time people had to go into hiding by joining various secret societies because of their beliefs of science instead of religion to understand the World.

Now whether The Law Of Attraction is something that will be proved or partly explained at some point in the future is debatable however I always think it's good to keep an open mind.

This appears to be because they have not yet found what makes them happy. You only attact something you are afraid of, or don't understand. That being said...........To each his own....... and..."To thine own self be true"(Shakespeare)!!!!!

Charan Saini · 03-30-2009, 06:33 PM

Hi Richard,
If you have a strong belief and is prepared to give , you will receive back in life. If thats LOA, it works for me.

Adaptive · 03-30-2009, 07:28 PM

Quite a provocative title - superb headline copywriting!

Unfortunately, the sales letter is quite a letdown!

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I would like to point out the weakness of such flawed beliefs.

Fine, and it would be interesting to see the resulting conversation. However, you didn't do anything of the type:

You didn't summarize or define what particular beliefs you oppose
You didn't provide any evidence of weakness in those beliefs
You had one anecdote followed by your conclusion by assertion - which is no more powerful against LOA then it is in favor of LOA

Please note that I've not given a hint about whether or not I believe in anything related to LOA concepts... I'm only pointing out that your headline oversells what you actually provided here! This is a mistake that results in a lack of sales, in either online marketing or persuasion!

Regards,
Allen

warnock · 03-30-2009, 09:36 PM

Here is an interesting fact of physics that has just been proven. Lab experiments have proven that the observer affects the spin of an atom. And that spin will follow the intent of the observer. This makes a quantum connection with matter. Fact.

aekaplan · 03-30-2009, 10:07 PM

Here's a conundrum for you all. The fact that the OP says that the law of attraction is fiction is evidence that the law of attraction is true! If you firmly believe that this law is false, then it will cease to work for you, because your belief in its falseness will dictate your actions in such a way to lead you to believe that it is untrue. You attract it not working for you by virtue of your belief.

The law of attraction works when you allow yourself to believe it! That simple.

aapillc · 03-31-2009, 08:30 PM

Warnock,

Where can I read about this, I would like to learn more.
Ken

Aekaplan,

I like the conundrum.........

garyt · 04-01-2009, 03:41 AM

The LOA (a hyped up term, no doubt) states that we attract everything we experience in our life - including diseases, bad weather, accidents, lottery wins, etc

This is so hard for people to believe because it can never be proven - like religion. There will always be people on both side of the fence and they can and will find evidence to "prove" their stand but these are never real proof.

What I believe is this : forget about LOA, just know that having a positive mental attitude all the time is the way to happiness, wealth and health.

Then it will not conflict with another thoughts of attracting terrorists, cancer, etc into your life. Can't prove it is true or false so why waste time on it?

garyt · 04-01-2009, 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by aapillc

Warnock,

Where can I read about this, I would like to learn more.
Ken

Aekaplan,

I like the conundrum.........

Dr Quantum - Double Slit Experiment :

YouTube - Dr Quantum - Double Slit Experiment

Mind bloggling experiment shows observer can affect outcome ...

tonywarrior2 · 04-01-2009, 06:42 AM

This is an interesting and important thread.

This is my experience. I watched The Secret probably two years ago. I found it inspiring but it was obvious to me that it isn’t the whole story and I can see how some people might think it’s a load of nonsense. However, based on the little I learned in the movie I decided to do three tests, each of which was pretty much outside the bounds of co-incidence. The results were that two of the ‘tests’ dramatically came about with not much more than my intense focus through visualisation. The third did not. Statistically I would need to do at least 31 tests to draw conclusions, but for me it felt like there was something worth investigating further. So I read 20 or 30 books about quantum science, LOA, metaphysics etc. Some were good, some were not so good but I learned a lot. I also watched the movie ‘What the bleep do we know’ but didn’t like it too much.

I also decided follow-up some of the speakers from The Secret. I settled on the books of Ester Hicks. I don’t ‘get’ all of Ester’s stuff but a lot of what she writes sort of resonates with me. The one thing that really made the difference for me was understanding and practising the concept of alignment. Understanding this to the extent that I feel it is a reality for me took around 18 months - yep, I pondered and experimented with the idea of alignment for a year and a half. I got into it and it led to some amazing things, like selling my house in a property recession (to the one person who came to look), moving to a new country where I don’t speak the language (there was one mini-miracle after another) and so on. Anecdotes prove nothing really, but I share this because it might provide encouragement.

I don’t understand the science (the two quantum books I read made my head spin a bit) but I can sort of see a 'reality influencing' link between the idea of ‘observing the electron makes it behave differently’ and 'visualisation'.

For me the key was to stay humble, to keep an open mind and to trust for good things of God / the Universe. There is something amazing holding all of life together (check out a book on ‘The Field’) and the more in tune with that power you are, the greater your success and peace of mind will be.

Specifically about the LOA – I found Ester Hick’s model really helpful. For her the LOA has three parts:

-The law of attraction
-The science of deliberate creation
-The art of allowing

But that’s another story ...

richard515680 · 04-01-2009, 08:39 AM

According to 'wikipedia', some of the criticism stems from the mis-understanding of quantum physics! Mind blowing!

Richard A.Cox · 04-01-2009, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Adaptive

Fine, and it would be interesting to see the resulting conversation. However, you didn't do anything of the type:

You didn't summarize or define what particular beliefs you oppose
You didn't provide any evidence of weakness in those beliefs
You had one anecdote followed by your conclusion by assertion - which is no more powerful against LOA then it is in favor of LOA

Regards,
Allen

I appreciate your nod towards the eye catching headline and would like to say how delighted I am that you have made the above points.

This is exactly the method used by many if not most of the LOA propagandists.

Loren Woirhaye · 04-01-2009, 10:29 AM

Hey Richard - this is quoted from Blair Warren - he posted it
here on WF a while back and I dug it out of his blog. Hope you
get a laugh

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I’ve been asked to elaborate on the Law of Extraction which I mentioned in a recent post. Since many of you have been using the Law of Attraction trying to get this information out of me, I am, of course, powerless to say no.

But first, I must confess the Law of Extraction isn’t my idea. It was revealed to me recently by a channeled spirit named Ralph while I was trying to tune into a weak radio station.

Apparently this law has been known by great hucksters throughout history and kept hidden from the masses for nearly a hundred years. Only now is this information being made available to the general public.

May it bring you the happiness and success it has brought to countless gurus past and present.

And now, as revealed to me by Ralph, here are…

The Nine Steps of the Law of Extraction

1. Promise people something they desperately want, no matter how ludicrous it may be.

For example, promise to show people - for a price, of course - how to get everything without doing anything.

2. Make the process for achieving this sound as mysterious as possible. For example, call it a mystery or maybe even a secret.

3. Legitimize your process by quoting a scientist or two. This way you can claim your process is actually “based” on science.

4. Assure people your process is foolproof. That is, anyone can do it and it will work every time all the time. Calling it a universal law is helpful in this regard.

5. Include a universal loophole so that when the process fails you can place the blame elsewhere.

For example, “The reason it didn’t work is because you didn’t do it right. Fortunately, there are advanced techniques that can help you.”

Notice, this loophole not only deflects blame, but also creates additional revenue streams (see points 6 and 7).

6. Sell advanced techniques in the form of high-dollar, back-end products, seminars and coaching programs using a multi-level commission structure in order to maximize revenue extraction.

7. Offer high-dollar “Certification Programs” to license others to sell your process to others. Be sure to require your licensees to also pay you a sizable percentage of any future sales they may make.

8. Focus your efforts on the right target audience. As the old saying goes, you can fool some people all of the time and they are the ones you need to focus on.

9. Express gratitude at least three times a day for all the abundance the Law of Extraction is bringing into your life.

Remember, the Law of Extraction is based on the principle that hope attracts money. Take pride in knowing that you are not only creating abundance for yourself, but doing well by your fellow man.

Richard A.Cox · 04-01-2009, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Loren Woirhaye

Hey Richard - this is quoted from Blair Warren - he posted it
here on WF a while back and I dug it out of his blog. Hope you
get a laugh

Excellent - I am so happy to have 'attracted' that

Richard A.Cox · 04-01-2009, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jediknight6

As Shakespeare said there are many things between heaven and earth, Horatio, that your philosophy cannot explain... Truth has many levels, only as you awaken to realms unaccessible to the logical mind do you understand the deeper truths.

Actually, Shakespeare has the character Hamlet say;

And therefore as a stranger give it welcome.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

While Hamlet (believes he) is talking to his Fathers ghost.

Just about as scientific as the LOA, wouldn't you say?

shazsays · 04-03-2009, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by softwarefilt

What you are talking about here is confirmations bias, which humans are known to act on. We have an eye for things that support our beliefs, and tend to ignore things that go against our beliefs. Completely natural.

I agree. Therefore it would make sense to choose beliefs that serve rather than hinder us.

The question then becomes how do we change our beliefs? The short answer is affirmations. They're free and extremely powerful.

Sharon

jamesviago · 04-03-2009, 04:41 PM

LOA - an impossible discussion. cannot be proven (yet).
law of extraction (as posted above) - hilarious, thank you!

here's what i think happens - that makes people believe in LOA:

1) the brain uses "beliefs about reality" to create perception filters.
2) those filters increase awareness and acceptance of things consistent with the beliefs, while blinding us to things inconsistent with the beliefs.
3) the person now experiences a bias in the environment consistent with the beliefs (even though an independent unbiased observer may be able to prove that no actual bias exists)
4) the person responds to the perceived change as if it were real, and gets results accordingly.

example from my busines:

when our sales people think "the market is tough", they filter their environment (and gather evidence) and alter their actions consistent with that beleif... and wow! our sales go down.

when our sales people think "the market is hot", they filter their environment (and gather evidence) and alter their actions consistent with that belief... and wow! our sales go up.

simple causality. no universal law, no quantum mysteries required.

does LOA exist on some metaphysical level? i don't really care.

my job is to influence the beliefs of my sale team, to cause them to believe things that result in them taking actions that cause sales to increase.

you can call that LOA - it certainly seems "mysterious" to many people - and of course it "works" so that solidifies belief. but that's why so many people "try and fail" with LOA; they expect some mystical power to deliver the results - forgetting that action (by you and the people you influence) that is consistent with the belief is vital, as my example shows. the author of The Secret gets that - "Ask, Believe, Recieve" - if you ain't receiving, then you asked wrong or didn't believe strongly enough... that makes it sound like magic, but...

...it's nothing more than the simple and well-documented cause-and-effect of human behaviour.

Either way, you can get on with using it to be successful. no need to wonder if you're "doing it right", it's neither magic nor rocket science.

good luck all.

Loren Woirhaye · 04-03-2009, 05:06 PM

The brain is a "sorting" machine... of sorts. There is a part of
brain function called the "reticular activating mechanism" which
basically sorts out all the stuff we aren't focused on seeing.

If you've ever taken heavy psychedelics basically they make
your sorting function go haywire and a lot more gets in and
it can get very confusing.

Autistic people have a lot more information "getting in" so they
develop ways to cope with the onslaught... the noise of it all.

If you buy a red corvette suddenly you will see other red corvettes
as if many more people have them... it's just your brain sorting for
what you are focused on.

I don't believe we "attract" things into our lives, but if we focus
on spotting opportunities, for example, we will see many more of
them.

No magical thinking required.

procoach · 04-03-2009, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard A.Cox

You cannot do anything '150%'

Except grow or diminish.

BTW, IMO *every* law is fiction, i.e. made up. The question then becomes, which law empowers you the most?

estateguy · 04-03-2009, 09:54 PM

Man's greatest illusion is their own realtiy

Brett Dunham · 04-03-2009, 11:07 PM

"The greatest revolution in our generation is the discovery that human beings, by changing the inner attitudes of their minds, can change the outer aspects of their lives" William James

I appreciate your opinion and think that the "Secret" takes it a little far. But I firmly believe that our thoughts are extremely powerful and capable of more than either you or I know. Who knows? Why does it bother you what other people believe, I guess there is no tooth ferry either. Live and let Live Brother!

Richard A.Cox · 04-04-2009, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Brett Dunham

I appreciate your opinion and think that the "Secret" takes it a little far. But I firmly believe that our thoughts are extremely powerful and capable of more than either you or I know. Who knows? Why does it bother you what other people believe, I guess there is no tooth ferry either. Live and let Live Brother!

There is nothing 'Secret' about acting on your own thoughts.

One example the fantasists cite is the so called 'ability' to 'attract' a parking space en route to their destination, using, of course, the LOA.

It is this belief - that stuff going on inside their heads can directly affect other peoples actions and thereby achieve a pre-determined result that amazes me.

What I object is not that super-gullible people swallow this garbage as fact, it's the use of this fiction to scam money out of the poor suckers who buy into it.

Samsmiles · 04-04-2009, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard A.Cox

I was surprised to find this sort of tosh in the 'Warrior' forums.

So, to reprise my earlier post I would like to point out the weakness of such flawed beliefs.

I am aware than many successful people propagate versions of this so-called law.

But remember, they want to sell to as wide an audience as possible.

Let's not exclude the daydreamers, hey!

*****************

There is a true story about an Englishman who was in New York on business strolling along the sidewalk.

He passes a ringing public payphone, and, out of curiosity, answers it.

The person on the phone is known to him, it is a colleague from his London office.

They had intended to ring someone else in New York, but mis-dialled and he happened to answer.

Now here is the point.

If he had been thinking about that person or his office, this event would have seemed like magic, or the LOA.

But it would have happened anyway.

People with flimsy belief systems are happy to attach the 'LOA" label when if works in their favour.

But do not in the TRILLIONS of instances when it does not.

You are fooling yourselves by attaching great importance to nothing more than a series of coincidences where you are the sole arbiter.

For every LOA event that 'works' there are several trillion that do not - thereby disproving the theory, using the very same logic.

so, to summarize.

The 'Law' of Attraction is a fiction and does not exist in any way, shape or form.

As long a you have faith in it, you will look for reasons to support it, so you don't look like an idiot. That is human nature.

Give it up and get real.

Life is much more fun that way.

Hello Richard,

Read the "Master Key System" by Charles Haanel.

Haanel explains what the L.O.A. really is about, (not like the rubbish in the "Secret" and some of the other crappy so called "selfhelp" books), and most important he explains WHY it works!

C.H. was the inspiration behind N. Hill and (it is said) Bill Gates. And reading and studying Haanel's work has helped little 'ol me make some nice money too !

If you want a text copy of the book send me a PM.

Prosperity to us all!

David

raydp · 04-04-2009, 06:14 AM

Loa and Lol - one letter difference.

I too find it amazing that otherwise rational people fall for this tosh.

If your talking positive thinking, that's another matter.

Now what was that I was reading about the Tooth Fairy...

Ray

stevebetsworth · 04-05-2009, 11:55 AM

Although I DO believe in the general principles of the Law Of Attraction.......I DON'T really believe there is any MAGICAL force out there which comes to us making us successful etc. The real power behind the LOA is the principle of creating a POSITIVE MINDSET from the start. In order to be successful in anything you have to first BELIEVE you can do something then make a PLAN and take ACTION in order to achieve your Goal.

It's all about FLIPPING your Mind and getting off your BUTT and taking ACTION and never ever giving up!!

Cheere,

Steve

Jonathan 2.0 · 04-05-2009, 12:07 PM

I think there's definitely some truth to The Law Of Attraction.

What you think about will create the kind of World that you live in. That's why you should concentrate on what is good and pure. Concentrate on what you want and the dreams in your heart.

I can tell you that when you live in a World that is good and positive it's a mervelous way of life. You see beauty and kindness everywhere you go.

Steven Wagenheim · 04-05-2009, 12:15 PM

I don't believe in the law of attraction either, but this is what I do believe in.

In everything you do in life, you must have a positive attitude and outlook.

Because if you don't, and believe that it's not going to work even before
you try, you're doomed to failure.

I have done so many things simply because I made up my mind to do them.

Sure, I've been unsuccessful with certain things I've tried. But the point is,
I tried going in with a positive attitude.

How many of the things I did have success with would I have failed at if
I started with the attitude..."There's no way I can do this"

I was told by so many people that my business model sucked and that it
would never make me successful.

6 figures a year later...I'm laughing in their faces.

You have nothing if you don't the power of your own convictions.

Jonathan 2.0 · 04-05-2009, 12:41 PM

So what if people said that your business model wouldn't work. Getting the better of people isn't the way to go.

Steven Wagenheim · 04-05-2009, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ZigZag

So what if people said that your business model wouldn't work. Getting the better of people isn't the way to go.

You gotta stop taking posts so literally.

Jonathan 2.0 · 04-05-2009, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

You gotta stop taking posts so literally.

You should say what you mean Steven.

chrisoldcorn · 04-05-2009, 01:15 PM

I guess if you "attract" that the "law of attraction" doesn't work it actually is working.

Steven Wagenheim · 04-05-2009, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ZigZag

You should say what you mean Steven.

Apparently, you're not from the US. "Laughing in their faces" is an expression.
It doesn't actually mean I'm laughing in their faces.

Man, some people really need to get a life.

Nic Lynn · 04-05-2009, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard A.Cox

You cannot do anything '150%'

although I appreciate the sentiment.

Not at all true. While not 150% per se, I have paid "affiliates" 110% before to sell certain products. I can easily do it for 150% or any other amount. I learned long ago that you cannot say cannot.

Jonathan 2.0 · 04-05-2009, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Apparently, you're not from the US. "Laughing in their faces" is an expression.
It doesn't actually mean I'm laughing in their faces.

Man, some people really need to get a life.

Steven I've read many of your posts and you're often talking about getting the better of people. That isn't a good thing to do. Don't you understand that?

Here's an expression from England: "People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones." According to your statistics I guestimate that you've posted an average of 11 times a day—every single day—for the past 2.5+ years.

So you can hardly tell anyone they should be getting a life.

Steven Wagenheim · 04-05-2009, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ZigZag

Steven I've read many of your posts and you're often talking about getting the better of people. That isn't a good thing to do. Don't you understand that?

Here's an expression from England: "People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones." According to your statistics I guestimate that you've posted an average of 11 times a day—every single day—for the past 2.5+ years.

So you can hardly tell anyone they should be getting a life.

As I said, you've taken what I said way too literally and I'm done arguing
with you.

You can believe whatever you want to believe.

I care about as much as I care what the man on the moon thinks of me.

And in case you don't understand the above line, it's another expression.

And please don't accuse me of trying to get "over" on people because
you couldn't be more wrong. I have helped more people in a week than
you've probably helped in 5 years.

Sheeesh

Jonathan 2.0 · 04-05-2009, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

And please don't accuse me of trying to get "over" on people because
you couldn't be more wrong. I have helped more people in a week than
you've probably helped in 5 years.

That's no excuse for being rude and telling people they should get a life when all their doing is giving you some friendly advice. We've created a positive atmosphere here and I trust that you will keep it that way.

RayAndLisaJ · 04-05-2009, 09:04 PM

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As long a you have faith in it, you will look for reasons to support it, so you don't look like an idiot. That is human nature.

Give it up and get real.

Life is much more fun that way.

So life is more fun not to have your own belief system? It is more fun to drop your faith to agree with someone who disbelives in your faith?

Listen if your bashing "The Secret" for going a bit overboard with the principles of the LOA, I'm with you on that 100%. But to try and bash the whole principle is also way off. If you want to enjoy a movie that in my opinion does a much more accurate job of depicting the LOA try "The Awakening" with Patrick Combs.

I think this is a much more down to earth prospective. I'd share a link but then that would probably be considered spamming.

Richard A.Cox · 04-06-2009, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by RayAndLisaJ

So life is more fun not to have your own belief system?

Well as you should by now have realized, this thread refers specifically to the fiction that is the 'LOA" and not any other belief systems.

Loren Woirhaye · 04-06-2009, 12:16 AM

Here's a story -

On Twitter the other day some dude I was following for no
particular reason Tweeted about "The liberals" - in a somewhat
derogatory way...

and I messaged him back saying "you know man, labeling people
isn't accurate. You might be surprised at the reasons people
have for voting the way they do..." (that isn't what I said,
but since I got the idea the fellow had been listening to radio
pundits who like to paint groups of people with a very broad
brush I wanted to make a point.

Here's the point - most people operate out of belief systems.
the beliefs in the systems support each other. In this case
there was a fellow who maybe has a set of values and he
conveniently is able to label a whole group of people whose
values he doesn't agree with/understand as "liberals" (meaning
"THEM") - creating a very safe-feeling US/THEM tribal feeling.

Ie. "we are the people with the smarter values and THEY are
the people who smoke pot and don't have their heads on straight."

I'm extrapolating here - don't take me too seriously

SO - what we have is that most people are walking around with
a whole barrelful of beliefs that form a system and have an
associated vocabulary for labeling one's own experiences and
other people, their values, their activities - usually in the context
of being "LIKE US" or "Not like us - like THEM!"

This is tribal consciousness I think - we would be well-served
if we could outgrow it sometime... but for the meantime it
sort of shows why people develop belief systems and more
importantly, defend them so fervently.

We all have 'em - but some of us are more skeptical of the
basis-in-reality of our beliefs than others. I'm always looking
not for what is convenient of "feels good" to believe, or more
accurately, think and behave as if IT were true, but for the
most accurate model of how other people REALLY behave
and the way things work.

Ie. the law of gravity seems pretty darn reliable.

The law of attraction is... well, a label for a set of beliefs some
people have.

total_freedom · 04-06-2009, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by aekaplan

Here's a conundrum for you all. The fact that the OP says that the law of attraction is fiction is evidence that the law of attraction is true! If you firmly believe that this law is false, then it will cease to work for you, because your belief in its falseness will dictate your actions in such a way to lead you to believe that it is untrue. You attract it not working for you by virtue of your belief.

The law of attraction works when you allow yourself to believe it! That simple.

If one has to believe in it in order for it to work, then it's the law of belief, not attraction.

If it's a true law, then it works regardless of what a person does, or doesn't do, believes or doesn't believe, and that's where many people are confused.

As Stephen Covey says, you can choose principles, such as honesty, loyalty, integrity, etc.

But can one choose a universal law? One can only become aware of it, and act accordingly.

If it is truly a law, then like would always attract like. But not so in magnets: positive attracts negative

Abraham (Esther Hicks alter Ego) suggests this is the law in action. That one 'like' (criminal) attracts a complimentary 'like' (victim) based on what they think and feel.

It's based on frequency, according them. If both are on a lower & similar frequency, then they will eventually gravitate towards each other.

On the surface, it goes against their own axiom - like attracting like. But if you go with their reasoning, it makes sense.

We can see evidence in watching people in groups. Whether it's clothing, hair style, or whatever - we see people around whom they are like.

We also see the opposite - two people who have no business being around each other, sharing the same space. Oh! They have the same thoughts then!

If that's the case, then everyone has something in common with everyone else: you got a nose, oh hey, I have one, too!

In the end, if everyone KNEW the law of attraction was REAL, I would imagine their thoughts and behaviors would radically shift, and the world would see a dramatic difference in human beings.

One person who knows this stuff deeply would be changing their own life and the lives of those around them.

Are we witnessing that? Is that anyone's experience here?

VMN · 04-07-2009, 08:58 AM

If you will pay attention to your thoughts and feelings, you will see.

You get what you think about whether wanted or not.

Victoria

yosis · 04-24-2009, 03:13 AM

It seems to all come down to Repetition. If you think a certain way over many days than something in your life is bound to happen to reflect that way of thinking. Also, some people have repeatedly thought of themselves as a failure...so it prevent them from taking the actions they need to get what they really want. While I too found some things problematic with the Secret...I think it can still help people get out their ruts so to speak.

Karen Connell · 04-24-2009, 04:12 AM

Live and let live.

If it makes someone FEEL GOOD to believe in The Law of Attraction why do you feel it necessary to try and make them feel wrong for believing.

I use the theory of The Law of Attraction to live my life and it makes me feel good.

What is wrong with that?

Karen

nvs74191 · 04-24-2009, 05:38 AM

Hello

Consider this:

There is nothing inside of you that can create a thought - you can only receive and emit them, as your brain acts as a transmitter/receiver, somewhat like a radio which tunes into a frequency to produce sounds.

You come to know this by experience (as in actualy observing) which is attained by meditation. In fact, if you spend long enough observing your thoughts, you will find that every thought you have arrives as a vibration first, then is mentalized by your past experience, assigned a label and presented as "your thought".

Look at why you are friendly with some people and not so with certain others. You tend to attract into your sphere of experience people with like minded nature. This is in fact an extension of how you look at a certain vibration and decide if you want to allow it into your world or not. If you choose to allow the vibration, your past experience and conditionings determine how you label the vibration as a thought, and claim it as your thought. (look at a rabbit in front of a rabbit vis a vis a rabbit in front of a wolf. The vibrations of the rabbit will be different in each case).

LOA works in a similar way, by conscious use of vibrations that you put out in the universe, and these vibrations you put out gather force and strength, when similar vibrations existing already in the universe (you are not the only one emitting and transmitting) find your vibrations and join forces with them.

Once these vibrational alignment happens, circumstances, events and people arrange themselves in ways conducive to make your vibration a reality in your experience.(Please also know that by you getting what you desire it does not mean others are getting deprived - the law of balance in the universe ensures that you are matched with someone out there who does not want the thing you want. It is like ebay, matching buyer with seller) Our minds cannot imagine in what way our vibration will become a reality, as we don't have access to, so to speak, the universal database. Just like in ebay - the buyer does not know the seller and vice versa. But they are hooked up to make the transaction go through.

Don't forget that every conceivable thing you can think of is already there, only it is not in your field of experience (think Reticular Activation). When you are in vibrational alignment, it is in fact impossible for you not to have it. Think of all the things you have in your life. Has anything happened without you first having a thought about it? or desire for it?

This said, I look at people writing articles and books on LOA without understanding the roots of the mental science, and scratching the surface. I take pity on the people who are lured into buying ebooks and audios that don't actually have a firm foundational knowledge behind them. This is the reason many people say LOA doesn't work. I say it is impossible for it not to work, as the evolution of mankind and the universe in fact depends on it.

Our Maker has taken the autopilot route to managing - set the law of cause and effect into motion, and take your hands off. It works on autopilot. I can't think of God taking time to answer all prayers landing in his helpdesk. He would go mad. This is where the law of cause and effect, the law of attraction kicks in. It continuously operates to create experiences in your life, so that God can run a hands free operation - once he has set up the system, he can work on other projects and ebooks.

In fact, yogis and mystics spend years acquiring the deep knowledge about how to mind works and how to control it. They work with the breath to influence the intensity of the vibrations etc. and to slow down their thought vibrations to reach the stillness conducive to experientially realizing their "self".

Once you know how it works you have the means of right use of the mind with you. Till you get this knowledge, you should not, and in fact cannot effectively, teach others. I believe Joe Vitale is almost there, but not yet fully there.

bionictortoise · 04-24-2009, 05:49 AM

You're entitled to your opinion, but to call something 'tosh' means you are giving something you don't want - attention. This will ensure you get more of it! The LOA works, whether you believe in it or not.

I read 'How To Be Happy' years ago (from the 80s) by Andrew Mathews and the advice is very pragmatic and not daydreamy at all. It is very simple - a kid could grasp it. And there are humorous cartoons that break up the text nicely too.

But looking back, there are parts of that book that conform to the LOA, and yet it is a lot more subtle than 'The Secret' (which, although I agree with, I think it was written in a very naive manner).

Whenever I needed a day to go right, I told myself it would do, and it did (without fail). So this fact enabled me to have faith in the system. I always knew it worked before I knew it was called the Law of Attraction.

I feel so sorry for people without this knowledge, because life is so much harder for them.

Or put another way Sh*t happens - it's how you deal with it.

People who complain find it a lot more difficult to be happy. Who really suffers at the end of the day? - The complainant!

The fact you have gone to the trouble of composing a thread about it, means you will get more of the stuff you call 'tosh'! The only way to break the cycle is to give it a go.

The way I see it, if it could change your life immeasurably, what have you got to lose? You could just try it out for a day. If it doesn't work, ask yourself, "Did I really open my mind to its possibility or not?"

Try the great day exercise. If you believe tomorrow will be brilliant from start to finish, it will. AND no it won't JUST be your attitude that makes cool stuff happen. Stuff will happen that's so cool, you'll be blown away!

I wonder if you read or watched ALL of The Secret. What about the guy who put a picture of his dream house and forgot about it after moving house several times? Then he found he was living in that EXACT house - not one like it - the same one!

And how can you explain what happened to the gay comedian? Coincidences happen, but THAT many?

igorhelpsyousucceed · 04-24-2009, 07:19 AM

Mr. Cox,
I think that it was stupid of you
to even think to start this thread due
to the simple fact that all of us knew
how it was going to play out.

I will not try to argue with you because it
is pointless and it will just boost up the egos here,
including yours and mine, but I would only like to
state that the law of attraction is the most powerful
law in the universe.

~Igor

Nahar · 04-24-2009, 08:34 AM

You made some valid points, but the LOA is one of those things that are hard to prove or disprove. You have no evidence it doesn't work. Just because somebody made a movie about it and makes good money proves nothing. And I'm sorry but I really don't think you actually counted "trillions" of instances where the LOA didn't work. You simply chose not to believe it (and the Universe said: "Your wish is my command.").

Adaptive · 04-25-2009, 05:29 PM

Quote:

C.H. was the inspiration behind N. Hill and (it is said) Bill Gates.

David, I've read the Master Key book and I've seen the same claims you just mentioned - that it inspired both Hill and Gates.

Given what I know about them, this seems believable. However, I haven't been able to find anything more about these connections. Is there some place where I could read more of the story?

Regards,
Allen

FreeAgent13 · 04-26-2009, 01:42 PM

It seems that people are confusing the effects one's thinking has on their actions for the manifestation of the Law of Attraction. While it is true that you are the result of your thought processes (i.e. if you are more optomistic of an action you will most likely act to accomplish said action), what the LOA claims is more ambitious.

It claims that event of firing synapses in your brain, known as thoughts, in fact rearranges the very fabric of the universe to align with the nature of that thought.

Not only is this scientifically unsubstantiated, but also comes into conflict with it's self and some of our commonly held beliefs such as free will. For example, what would happen if two individuals disired two conflicting outcomes to an event with the same ferverency, who will the universe grant the wish to. And if I constantly wished for someone to do something that is expressidly aganst his best interest, will he submit to the universe or thowart it with free will.

03-20-2009, 07:46 PM	#51
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03-30-2009, 06:33 PM	#54
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03-30-2009, 09:36 PM	#56
warnock Warrior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The Secret and The Law of Attraction Is A Fiction and you Should Not be Fooled for a Moment Long Here is an interesting fact of physics that has just been proven. Lab experiments have proven that the observer affects the spin of an atom. And that spin will follow the intent of the observer. This makes a quantum connection with matter. Fact.

03-30-2009, 10:07 PM	#57
aekaplan HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 144 Thanks: 25 Thanked 16 Times in 7 Posts	Re: The Secret and The Law of Attraction Is A Fiction and you Should Not be Fooled for a Moment Long Here's a conundrum for you all. The fact that the OP says that the law of attraction is fiction is evidence that the law of attraction is true! If you firmly believe that this law is false, then it will cease to work for you, because your belief in its falseness will dictate your actions in such a way to lead you to believe that it is untrue. You attract it not working for you by virtue of your belief. The law of attraction works when you allow yourself to believe it! That simple.

03-31-2009, 08:30 PM	#58
aapillc Warrior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Richmond,Virginia Posts: 19 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The Secret and The Law of Attraction Is A Fiction and you Should Not be Fooled for a Moment Long Warnock, Where can I read about this, I would like to learn more. Ken Aekaplan, I like the conundrum.........

04-01-2009, 03:41 AM	#59
garyt HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: , , . Posts: 357 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 33 Thanked 12 Times in 10 Posts	Re: The Secret and The Law of Attraction Is A Fiction and you Should Not be Fooled for a Moment Long The LOA (a hyped up term, no doubt) states that we attract everything we experience in our life - including diseases, bad weather, accidents, lottery wins, etc This is so hard for people to believe because it can never be proven - like religion. There will always be people on both side of the fence and they can and will find evidence to "prove" their stand but these are never real proof. What I believe is this : forget about LOA, just know that having a positive mental attitude all the time is the way to happiness, wealth and health. Then it will not conflict with another thoughts of attracting terrorists, cancer, etc into your life. Can't prove it is true or false so why waste time on it?
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04-01-2009, 06:42 AM	#61
tonywarrior2 ~~ Fire-Ready-Aim ~~ War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Europe Posts: 114 Thanks: 4 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Re: The Secret and The Law of Attraction Is A Fiction and you Should Not be Fooled for a Moment Long This is an interesting and important thread. This is my experience. I watched The Secret probably two years ago. I found it inspiring but it was obvious to me that it isn’t the whole story and I can see how some people might think it’s a load of nonsense. However, based on the little I learned in the movie I decided to do three tests, each of which was pretty much outside the bounds of co-incidence. The results were that two of the ‘tests’ dramatically came about with not much more than my intense focus through visualisation. The third did not. Statistically I would need to do at least 31 tests to draw conclusions, but for me it felt like there was something worth investigating further. So I read 20 or 30 books about quantum science, LOA, metaphysics etc. Some were good, some were not so good but I learned a lot. I also watched the movie ‘What the bleep do we know’ but didn’t like it too much. I also decided follow-up some of the speakers from The Secret. I settled on the books of Ester Hicks. I don’t ‘get’ all of Ester’s stuff but a lot of what she writes sort of resonates with me. The one thing that really made the difference for me was understanding and practising the concept of alignment. Understanding this to the extent that I feel it is a reality for me took around 18 months - yep, I pondered and experimented with the idea of alignment for a year and a half. I got into it and it led to some amazing things, like selling my house in a property recession (to the one person who came to look), moving to a new country where I don’t speak the language (there was one mini-miracle after another) and so on. Anecdotes prove nothing really, but I share this because it might provide encouragement. I don’t understand the science (the two quantum books I read made my head spin a bit) but I can sort of see a 'reality influencing' link between the idea of ‘observing the electron makes it behave differently’ and 'visualisation'. For me the key was to stay humble, to keep an open mind and to trust for good things of God / the Universe. There is something amazing holding all of life together (check out a book on ‘The Field’) and the more in tune with that power you are, the greater your success and peace of mind will be. Specifically about the LOA – I found Ester Hick’s model really helpful. For her the LOA has three parts: -The law of attraction -The science of deliberate creation -The art of allowing But that’s another story ...
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richard515680 Active Warrior Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: , , United Kingdom. Posts: 47 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: The Secret and The Law of Attraction Is A Fiction and you Should Not be Fooled for a Moment Long According to 'wikipedia', some of the criticism stems from the mis-understanding of quantum physics! Mind blowing!
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04-03-2009, 04:41 PM	#68
jamesviago Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Hamilton, New Zealand Posts: 95 Blog Entries: 4 Thanks: 10 Thanked 10 Times in 8 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: The Secret and The Law of Attraction Is A Fiction and you Should Not be Fooled for a Moment Long LOA - an impossible discussion. cannot be proven (yet). law of extraction (as posted above) - hilarious, thank you! here's what i think happens - that makes people believe in LOA: 1) the brain uses "beliefs about reality" to create perception filters. 2) those filters increase awareness and acceptance of things consistent with the beliefs, while blinding us to things inconsistent with the beliefs. 3) the person now *experiences* a bias in the environment consistent with the beliefs (even though an independent unbiased observer may be able to prove that no actual bias exists) 4) the person responds to the perceived change as if it were real, and gets results accordingly. example from my busines: when our sales people think "the market is tough", they filter their environment (and gather evidence) and alter their actions consistent with that beleif... and wow! our sales go down. when our sales people think "the market is hot", they filter their environment (and gather evidence) and alter their actions consistent with that belief... and wow! our sales go up. simple causality. no universal law, no quantum mysteries required. does LOA exist on some metaphysical level? i don't really care. my job is to influence the beliefs of my sale team, to cause them to believe things that result in them taking actions that cause sales to increase. you can call that LOA - it certainly seems "mysterious" to many people - and of course it "works" so that solidifies belief. but that's why so many people "try and fail" with LOA; they expect some mystical power to deliver the results - forgetting that *action (by you and the people you influence) that is consistent with the belief* is vital, as my example shows. the author of The Secret gets that - "Ask, Believe, Recieve" - if you ain't receiving, then you asked wrong or didn't believe strongly enough... that makes it sound like magic, but... ...it's nothing more than the simple and well-documented cause-and-effect of human behaviour. Either way, you can get on with using it to be successful. no need to wonder if you're "doing it right", it's neither magic nor rocket science. good luck all.
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04-03-2009, 05:06 PM	#69
Loren Woirhaye Who'm I kidding? War Room Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Easthampton, Massachusetts Posts: 4,542 Blog Entries: 15 Thanks: 117 Thanked 904 Times in 651 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: The Secret and The Law of Attraction Is A Fiction and you Should Not be Fooled for a Moment Long The brain is a "sorting" machine... of sorts. There is a part of brain function called the "reticular activating mechanism" which basically sorts out all the stuff we aren't focused on seeing. If you've ever taken heavy psychedelics basically they make your sorting function go haywire and a lot more gets in and it can get very confusing. Autistic people have a lot more information "getting in" so they develop ways to cope with the onslaught... the noise of it all. If you buy a red corvette suddenly you will see other red corvettes as if many more people have them... it's just your brain sorting for what you are focused on. I don't believe we "attract" things into our lives, but if we focus on spotting opportunities, for example, we will see many more of them. No magical thinking required.
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Brett Dunham Warrior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Phoenix. AZ Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: The Secret and The Law of Attraction Is A Fiction and you Should Not be Fooled for a Moment Long "The greatest revolution in our generation is the discovery that human beings, by changing the inner attitudes of their minds, can change the outer aspects of their lives" William James I appreciate your opinion and think that the "Secret" takes it a little far. But I firmly believe that our thoughts are extremely powerful and capable of more than either you or I know. Who knows? Why does it bother you what other people believe, I guess there is no tooth ferry either. Live and let Live Brother!
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04-04-2009, 06:14 AM	#75
raydp Ethical Marketer. War Room Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Cromer, North Norfolk , United Kingdom. Posts: 753 Thanks: 40 Thanked 140 Times in 58 Posts	Re: The Secret and The Law of Attraction Is A Fiction and you Should Not be Fooled for a Moment Long Loa and Lol - one letter difference. I too find it amazing that otherwise rational people fall for this tosh. If your talking positive thinking, that's another matter. Now what was that I was reading about the Tooth Fairy... Ray

04-05-2009, 11:55 AM	#76
stevebetsworth stevebetsworth Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Eastbourne Posts: 17 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Social Networking	Re: The Secret and The Law of Attraction Is A Fiction and you Should Not be Fooled for a Moment Long Although I DO believe in the general principles of the Law Of Attraction.......I DON'T really believe there is any MAGICAL force out there which comes to us making us successful etc. The real power behind the LOA is the principle of creating a POSITIVE MINDSET from the start. In order to be successful in anything you have to first BELIEVE you can do something then make a PLAN and take ACTION in order to achieve your Goal. It's all about FLIPPING your Mind and getting off your BUTT and taking ACTION and never ever giving up!! Cheere, Steve
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04-05-2009, 12:07 PM	#77
Jonathan 2.0 Spiritual Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,167 Blog Entries: 12 Thanks: 558 Thanked 312 Times in 230 Posts	Re: The Secret and The Law of Attraction Is A Fiction and you Should Not be Fooled for a Moment Long I think there's definitely some truth to The Law Of Attraction. What you think about will create the kind of World that you live in. That's why you should concentrate on what is good and pure. Concentrate on what you want and the dreams in your heart. I can tell you that when you live in a World that is good and positive it's a mervelous way of life. You see beauty and kindness everywhere you go.
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04-05-2009, 12:15 PM	#78
Steven Wagenheim Content & Copywriting Wiz War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Roselle, NJ, USA Posts: 16,394 Blog Entries: 11 Thanks: 1,531 Thanked 6,192 Times in 2,288 Posts Social Networking	Re: The Secret and The Law of Attraction Is A Fiction and you Should Not be Fooled for a Moment Long I don't believe in the law of attraction either, but this is what I do believe in. In everything you do in life, you must have a positive attitude and outlook. Because if you don't, and believe that it's not going to work even before you try, you're doomed to failure. I have done so many things simply because I made up my mind to do them. Sure, I've been unsuccessful with certain things I've tried. But the point is, I tried going in with a positive attitude. How many of the things I did have success with would I have failed at if I started with the attitude..."There's no way I can do this" I was told by so many people that my business model sucked and that it would never make me successful. 6 figures a year later...I'm laughing in their faces. You have nothing if you don't the power of your own convictions.
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04-05-2009, 12:41 PM	#79
Jonathan 2.0 Spiritual Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,167 Blog Entries: 12 Thanks: 558 Thanked 312 Times in 230 Posts	Re: The Secret and The Law of Attraction Is A Fiction and you Should Not be Fooled for a Moment Long So what if people said that your business model wouldn't work. Getting the better of people isn't the way to go.
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04-05-2009, 01:15 PM	#82
chrisoldcorn Peak Performance Coach Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 18 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: The Secret and The Law of Attraction Is A Fiction and you Should Not be Fooled for a Moment Long I guess if you "attract" that the "law of attraction" doesn't work it actually is working.
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04-06-2009, 12:16 AM	#90
Loren Woirhaye Who'm I kidding? War Room Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Easthampton, Massachusetts Posts: 4,542 Blog Entries: 15 Thanks: 117 Thanked 904 Times in 651 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: The Secret and The Law of Attraction Is A Fiction and you Should Not be Fooled for a Moment Long Here's a story - On Twitter the other day some dude I was following for no particular reason Tweeted about "The liberals" - in a somewhat derogatory way... and I messaged him back saying "you know man, labeling people isn't accurate. You might be surprised at the reasons people have for voting the way they do..." (that isn't what I said, but since I got the idea the fellow had been listening to radio pundits who like to paint groups of people with a very broad brush I wanted to make a point. Here's the point - most people operate out of belief systems. the beliefs in the systems support each other. In this case there was a fellow who maybe has a set of values and he conveniently is able to label a whole group of people whose values he doesn't agree with/understand as "liberals" (meaning "THEM") - creating a very safe-feeling US/THEM tribal feeling. Ie. "we are the people with the smarter values and THEY are the people who smoke pot and don't have their heads on straight." I'm extrapolating here - don't take me too seriously SO - what we have is that most people are walking around with a whole barrelful of beliefs that form a system and have an associated vocabulary for labeling one's own experiences and other people, their values, their activities - usually in the context of being "LIKE US" or "Not like us - like THEM!" This is tribal consciousness I think - we would be well-served if we could outgrow it sometime... but for the meantime it sort of shows why people develop belief systems and more importantly, defend them so fervently. We all have 'em - but some of us are more skeptical of the basis-in-reality of our beliefs than others. I'm always looking not for what is convenient of "feels good" to believe, or more accurately, think and behave as if IT were true, but for the most accurate model of how other people REALLY behave and the way things work. Ie. the law of gravity seems pretty darn reliable. The law of attraction is... well, a label for a set of beliefs some people have.
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04-24-2009, 03:13 AM	#93
yosis Technologist War Room Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 35 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 15 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Social Networking	Re: The Secret and The Law of Attraction Is A Fiction and you Should Not be Fooled for a Moment Long It seems to all come down to Repetition. If you think a certain way over many days than something in your life is bound to happen to reflect that way of thinking. Also, some people have repeatedly thought of themselves as a failure...so it prevent them from taking the actions they need to get what they really want. While I too found some things problematic with the Secret...I think it can still help people get out their ruts so to speak.

04-24-2009, 04:12 AM	#94
Karen Connell I CAN do this... War Room Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: West Sussex UK Posts: 661 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 176 Thanked 143 Times in 113 Posts	Re: The Secret and The Law of Attraction Is A Fiction and you Should Not be Fooled for a Moment Long Live and let live. If it makes someone FEEL GOOD to believe in The Law of Attraction why do you feel it necessary to try and make them feel wrong for believing. I use the theory of The Law of Attraction to live my life and it makes me feel good. What is wrong with that? Karen

04-24-2009, 05:38 AM	#95
nvs74191 Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Kolkata, India. Posts: 594 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 44 Thanked 71 Times in 44 Posts Contact Info	Re: The Secret and The Law of Attraction Is A Fiction and you Should Not be Fooled for a Moment Long Hello Consider this: There is nothing inside of you that can create a thought - you can only receive and emit them, as your brain acts as a transmitter/receiver, somewhat like a radio which tunes into a frequency to produce sounds. You come to know this by experience (as in actualy observing) which is attained by meditation. In fact, if you spend long enough observing your thoughts, you will find that every thought you have arrives as a vibration first, then is mentalized by your past experience, assigned a label and presented as "your thought". Look at why you are friendly with some people and not so with certain others. You tend to attract into your sphere of experience people with like minded nature. This is in fact an extension of how you look at a certain vibration and decide if you want to allow it into your world or not. If you choose to allow the vibration, your past experience and conditionings determine how you label the vibration as a thought, and claim it as your thought. (look at a rabbit in front of a rabbit vis a vis a rabbit in front of a wolf. The vibrations of the rabbit will be different in each case). LOA works in a similar way, by conscious use of vibrations that you put out in the universe, and these vibrations you put out gather force and strength, when similar vibrations existing already in the universe (you are not the only one emitting and transmitting) find your vibrations and join forces with them. Once these vibrational alignment happens, circumstances, events and people arrange themselves in ways conducive to make your vibration a reality in your experience.(Please also know that by you getting what you desire it does not mean others are getting deprived - the law of balance in the universe ensures that you are matched with someone out there who does not want the thing you want. It is like ebay, matching buyer with seller) Our minds cannot imagine in what way our vibration will become a reality, as we don't have access to, so to speak, the universal database. Just like in ebay - the buyer does not know the seller and vice versa. But they are hooked up to make the transaction go through. Don't forget that every conceivable thing you can think of is already there, only it is not in your field of experience (think Reticular Activation). When you are in vibrational alignment, it is in fact impossible for you not to have it. Think of all the things you have in your life. Has anything happened without you first having a thought about it? or desire for it? This said, I look at people writing articles and books on LOA without understanding the roots of the mental science, and scratching the surface. I take pity on the people who are lured into buying ebooks and audios that don't actually have a firm foundational knowledge behind them. This is the reason many people say LOA doesn't work. I say it is impossible for it not to work, as the evolution of mankind and the universe in fact depends on it. Our Maker has taken the autopilot route to managing - set the law of cause and effect into motion, and take your hands off. It works on autopilot. I can't think of God taking time to answer all prayers landing in his helpdesk. He would go mad. This is where the law of cause and effect, the law of attraction kicks in. It continuously operates to create experiences in your life, so that God can run a hands free operation - once he has set up the system, he can work on other projects and ebooks. In fact, yogis and mystics spend years acquiring the deep knowledge about how to mind works and how to control it. They work with the breath to influence the intensity of the vibrations etc. and to slow down their thought vibrations to reach the stillness conducive to experientially realizing their "self". Once you know how it works you have the means of right use of the mind with you. Till you get this knowledge, you should not, and in fact cannot effectively, teach others. I believe Joe Vitale is almost there, but not yet fully there.
	Swaminathan Last edited by nvs74191; 04-24-2009 at 05:52 AM. Reason: to add more thoughts.

04-24-2009, 05:49 AM	#96
bionictortoise Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: UK Posts: 48 Thanks: 12 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Re: The Secret and The Law of Attraction Is A Fiction and you Should Not be Fooled for a Moment Long You're entitled to your opinion, but to call something 'tosh' means you are giving something you don't want - attention. This will ensure you get more of it! The LOA works, whether you believe in it or not. I read 'How To Be Happy' years ago (from the 80s) by Andrew Mathews and the advice is very pragmatic and not daydreamy at all. It is very simple - a kid could grasp it. And there are humorous cartoons that break up the text nicely too. But looking back, there are parts of that book that conform to the LOA, and yet it is a lot more subtle than 'The Secret' (which, although I agree with, I think it was written in a very naive manner). Whenever I needed a day to go right, I told myself it would do, and it did (without fail). So this fact enabled me to have faith in the system. I always knew it worked before I knew it was called the Law of Attraction. I feel so sorry for people without this knowledge, because life is so much harder for them. Or put another way Sht happens - it's how you deal with it.* People who complain find it a lot more difficult to be happy. Who really suffers at the end of the day? - The complainant! The fact you have gone to the trouble of composing a thread about it, means you will get more of the stuff you call 'tosh'! The only way to break the cycle is to give it a go. The way I see it, if it could change your life immeasurably, what have you got to lose? You could just try it out for a day. If it doesn't work, ask yourself, "Did I really open my mind to its possibility or not?" Try the great day exercise. If you believe tomorrow will be brilliant from start to finish, it will. AND no it won't JUST be your attitude that makes cool stuff happen. Stuff will happen that's so cool, you'll be blown away! I wonder if you read or watched ALL of The Secret. What about the guy who put a picture of his dream house and forgot about it after moving house several times? Then he found he was living in that EXACT house - not one like it - the same one! And how can you explain what happened to the gay comedian? Coincidences happen, but THAT many?

04-24-2009, 07:19 AM	#97
igorhelpsyousucceed Mastermind Marketer War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: , , Israel. Posts: 1,335 Thanks: 366 Thanked 296 Times in 130 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: The Secret and The Law of Attraction Is A Fiction and you Should Not be Fooled for a Moment Long Mr. Cox, I think that it was stupid of you to even think to start this thread due to the simple fact that all of us knew how it was going to play out. I will not try to argue with you because it is pointless and it will just boost up the egos here, including yours and mine, but I would only like to state that the law of attraction is the most powerful law in the universe. ~Igor
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04-24-2009, 08:34 AM	#98
Nahar Greg Pawlik War Room Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Poland/USA Posts: 94 Thanks: 41 Thanked 14 Times in 10 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: The Secret and The Law of Attraction Is A Fiction and you Should Not be Fooled for a Moment Long You made some valid points, but the LOA is one of those things that are hard to prove or disprove. You have no evidence it doesn't work. Just because somebody made a movie about it and makes good money proves nothing. And I'm sorry but I really don't think you actually counted "trillions" of instances where the LOA didn't work. You simply chose not to believe it (and the Universe said: "Your wish is my command.").

04-26-2009, 01:42 PM	#100
FreeAgent13 Warrior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 17 Thanks: 6 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post Social Networking Contact Info	Re: The Secret and The Law of Attraction Is A Fiction and you Should Not be Fooled for a Moment Long It seems that people are confusing the effects one's thinking has on their actions for the manifestation of the Law of Attraction. While it is true that you are the result of your thought processes (i.e. if you are more optomistic of an action you will most likely act to accomplish said action), what the LOA claims is more ambitious. It claims that event of firing synapses in your brain, known as thoughts, in fact rearranges the very fabric of the universe to align with the nature of that thought. Not only is this scientifically unsubstantiated, but also comes into conflict with it's self and some of our commonly held beliefs such as free will. For example, what would happen if two individuals disired two conflicting outcomes to an event with the same ferverency, who will the universe grant the wish to. And if I constantly wished for someone to do something that is expressidly aganst his best interest, will he submit to the universe or thowart it with free will.
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