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Why motivational things don't work.

by GordonJ
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External motivation is like deodorant on a marathon runner on a 90 degree day...it doesn't last long.

And we see that here, year after year after year.

Take Tony Robbins, the most successful motivational coach ever. Think on this:

30 years of motivational works, an estimated take home of 30 million bux a year translates to a LOT OF PEOPLE being motivated.

Some of these have spent tens of thousands of dollars to feel the heat of a Tony pep rally. They come back from the island all fired up (if not downright burned).

Then 6 months later, they need more, they have fallen back into their old habits.

And after 30 years, these people have become motivated failures. Failures by their own accounts because they have not achieved those Giant dreams which had been awakened.

In 10th grade Latin class I learned motive came from a latin word meaning to MOVE.

Motivational appeals move you mentally for a short period of time, but because most don't understand how and why the brain works, the movement (mentally toward positive belief) is short term and temporary.

A motive is a REASON to move.

It is the stimulus which causes a response of ACTION, or a response of movement.

All the positive thinking, the visualization, the manifestation practices in the world won't work unless there is a foundation. And too many have a foundation of sand on someone's beach, and when the tides come in, it washes everything away.

A foundation built on solid ground, on understanding the how and why, serves you better than the quick little shots of instant energy drinks that motivational stuff provides.

IF you find yourself in constant need of these little shots of motivation, you would be wise to take a look at your foundation...the WHY you are doing what you are doing...and the WHAT

the outcome will be when the motion is either concluded or at a point of rest which allows a look back to all the action, and then you can correct your action and adjust your MOVEMENT to get where you want to go.

So, how much deodorant do you need today?

GordonJ
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark_Austin
    Spot on Gordon.

    That's not to say positive thinking isn’t a good thing, the problem is, well…you need to think about it too much!

    Understanding the true process and nature of thought is far more important than the thoughts you are having themselves.

    There is far too much focus in the motivational world in getting people into a peak state,,,and we all know what comes after a peak!
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  • Profile picture of the author virtualglobalphone
    GordonJ, You have addressed the dilemma of "motivation" / "personality development" beautifully.

    One of the probable reason is "free will" which most of the adult can take up by throwing the cash.

    Today we all adults are lost in path and direction ... , so these motivational feels like a thing you can purchase and keep it in the pocket.

    But in reality its not... each of these words needs "action" of many years....

    So these 'motivational' words can be addressed right from kinder garden. So by the time kid grown into adult these words are part of the life.
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    • Profile picture of the author grumpyjacksa
      Originally Posted by virtualglobalphone View Post

      But in reality its not... each of these words needs "action" of many years....

      So these 'motivational' words can be addressed right from kinder garden. So by the time kid grown into adult these words are part of the life.
      Now THAT is a great idea. If we can maintain the enthusiasm and curiosity of children as they grow up, we will be helping them to develop into phenomenal people.

      Just my 0.02c
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  • Profile picture of the author Dprsunlimited
    I think their are 2 main problems that most people have
    1. Is they go try to get "motivation" for something that may make them $$$ but they don't truly like or even worse something that they hate and that quickly makes them lose "steam"

    And

    2. Most people lack specifics in their goals... your goals need to be spicific and measurable or you will quickly lose Steven just because your subconscious mind does not know what you truly want.

    For example if i tell you there is a box with $1,000,000 in it and if you find it you can have it. You may try but if that is all the information I give you, very quickly you will give up
    However; if I told you there was a box with $1,000,000 in it at locker 27 in DIA on the east wing and if you get there you can have it. Ypu would get there very quickly... unfortunately most people don't have specific enough goals to make them measurable and achievable so they lose "motivation"

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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    no deoderant and i work as a buscker on the las vegas strip..so it will be 105 degrees when i start working today ..

    deodorant caused me to break out in nasty rashes .. 7 quick showers a day helps avoid bo.

    anyway tony robin is much more than a motivation guy ..and manytimes taking part in those event allows you to meet other people ..

    you can turn the work you do into another boring job and squueze every second of productivity out of a day..or you can focus on doing the work in a way that motvates you
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  • Profile picture of the author NestZone
    Positive thinking is a simple process, but when we follow most of this talks on motivation, we become drown in our own thoughts.

    SIMPLE. Have you ever though of the sequence of occurrence of things in your life?
    Those things that you actually occupy your mind with are the things that really happen.
    You start living your life mentally before it manifest physically.

    Control your thoughts, you control your life.
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  • Profile picture of the author Happerz
    The problem is positive thinking requires education, and many of these people motivate us, and make us feel excited about all these promises, without proper education.

    They could stand there for four hours and tell you all about how you can fix a car if you just put your mind to it you all you have to do is get in there and try your hardest and you can do it it's all in your mind.

    But until I said down and actually teach us the intellectual information, no matter how excited we are, were going to go out with mostly the same actions and behaviors we went in with, and wondering why were not seeing a difference in our results.

    If we want to succeed, it requires two things:

    1. The emotional confidence and motivation to believe in ourselves enough to motivate ourselves to take action.

    2. The roadmap to know exactly what steps to take which will lead to the results we want.

    I know this because I face the same problem for many years.

    We already intuitively know we have the power inside us to succeed, what were wondering is why what we know to be true deep down inside ourselves already isn't working.
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  • Profile picture of the author dre1507
    Spot on, dude. I realized this just a while ago, and since then, I've stopped reading/watching motivational material. It has to come from within if you're just getting started. As a newbie in whatever your endeavor may be, what moves you has to come from your own reasoning. It's dangerous to take on and try to move forward with the thoughts/feelings/desires of someone else, because the minute you realize that what's been moving you isn't really what moves you, you're going to lose the will to continue. Now you're caught in a situation where you need to quickly find YOUR motive, because the longer you take to do so, the less likely you will continue to progress...IF you had even made any.

    External motivation only works for those who don't need much to get going again (keyword: again) i.e. those who've tasted of consistent success before, but have fallen into a bit of a slump. They don't need to be motivated every few months, because that one shot of motivation will not become their reason for moving. It will only serve as a reminder as to why they got moving in the first place. And so they'll be able to move for a long time again on their own.
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    • Profile picture of the author Happerz
      If breakdown the word emotion in relation to Einstein's E=MC2 (energy equals mass times acceleration), and remove the E from emotion, we end up with the word motion.

      E stands for energy, emotions are the energy in motion that drives us to take the actions we take, or don't take, based on the emotion that gets created, either way there is energy propelling us in a certain direction.

      External motivation works if we already have the education and know how to do a were trying to do, and we just need the mental belief in ourselves to get there.

      Then the worst part is we fail because we don't realize that we were taught properly, and it takes us months or even years to work up the motivation to try again, when the reality is we just needed to be taught correctly.

      We need to know how to direct our energy, if we don't were setting ourselves up for failure before we even get started.
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  • Profile picture of the author theoperator
    I tend to disagree.

    I know what your sying though. I myself went to a tony robbins rally only because I wnated to see what he looked like in person. But I left half way through because they started doing some weird things.

    However....

    One tiny spark of motivation can ignite a MASSIVE FIRE in a persons mind. Can change their whole mind, and whole world. And you never know what that spark might be or where it might come from.

    And I could list a thousand examples of this. But I don't have the time. Look up helen kellers mentor, and her background. Or any number of people. They got inspired by someone at some point, and the rest is truely history.

    And ya most fail. Most listen to that stuff and go right back to their habbits. But really most people aren't geared to soar to great hights. And that's perfectly okay. It takes all types for the world to go around. We wouldn't even be talking right now if everyone was some kind of hard charging A type personality. The world would be over long ago, as theired be too many sharks and not enough tuna.

    But motivation and inspiration is like sparks. Most die. Most don't do nothing. But all it takes is one spark to cause a fire right.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by theoperator View Post

      I tend to disagree.

      I know what your sying though. I myself went to a tony robbins rally only because I wnated to see what he looked like in person. But I left half way through because they started doing some weird things.

      However....

      One tiny spark of motivation can ignite a MASSIVE FIRE in a persons mind. Can change their whole mind, and whole world. And you never know what that spark might be or where it might come from.

      And I could list a thousand examples of this. But I don't have the time. Look up helen kellers mentor, and her background. Or any number of people. They got inspired by someone at some point, and the rest is truely history.

      And ya most fail. Most listen to that stuff and go right back to their habbits. But really most people aren't geared to soar to great hights. And that's perfectly okay. It takes all types for the world to go around. We wouldn't even be talking right now if everyone was some kind of hard charging A type personality. The world would be over long ago, as theired be too many sharks and not enough tuna.

      But motivation and inspiration is like sparks. Most die. Most don't do nothing. But all it takes is one spark to cause a fire right.
      Yes, you are right. Please consider the difference between inspiration and motivation.

      Motivation, as I presented it, is about movement, or daily activity in the direction of a goal.

      Inspiration, for my discussion, is a connecting of synaptic activity, movement in the brain.

      Having spoken to scores of inventors as part of my job at a big marketing company, I found out three things about inventors in general (ones trying to sell their invention).

      1) They fall in love with their idea and think "EVERYONE will want one"
      2) They want their million bux now, in spite of what the market tells them
      3) Their inspiration comes at any time, place and there appears to be no rhyme or reason.

      Sure, one could get inspired at a Tony Robbins rally, or even Amway (inspired to get out?)
      or while in the shower, taking a walk, reading, watching TV.

      In most instances, INSPIRATION is a precursor to Motivation, and in brain chemistry, that is a way that ideas take place, a collision of chemicals, so to speak.

      We all get inspired, and everyone here has had or will have a MILLION dollar idea.
      And we may get excited.
      Excitation is a neural response to stimuli.

      Excitation happens when we read the WSO section and think, "this guy has it figured out"...and spend our 7 bux only to find out, "NO he ain't".

      Tony Robbins is skilled and trained in exciting crowds.You left halfway through because THEY started doing weird things, but not weird for the masses. Next time stay and get a great lesson on mass control and mass hypnosis.

      I don't want to be splitting hairs nor parsing definitions, but, please consider that inspiration and motivation are. perhaps the double edges of a sword, and probably we don't have one with out the other.

      My studies and research have taken place after the cool down, after the high, when the crowd has gone home, pumped up, inspired and motivated...

      what takes place in the net few months, what happens which prevents them from applying all the knowledge they gained from Tony (et al) and repeat the cycle.

      How do we keep stimulating our brains to continuously tap into the inspiration which provided the original motivator, and how is the most efficient way to do that?

      But, I do agree with you, one spark can start a fire, but it quickly becomes cold embers anyone can walk over, the trick is to "feed the fire" with activity which takes one to their goal automatically.

      GordonJ
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  • Profile picture of the author Princess Balestra
    Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

    External motivation is like deodorant on a marathon runner on a 90 degree day...it doesn't last long.

    And we see that here, year after year after year.

    Take Tony Robbins, the most successful motivational coach ever. Think on this:

    30 years of motivational works, an estimated take home of 30 million bux a year translates to a LOT OF PEOPLE being motivated.

    Some of these have spent tens of thousands of dollars to feel the heat of a Tony pep rally. They come back from the island all fired up (if not downright burned).

    Then 6 months later, they need more, they have fallen back into their old habits.

    And after 30 years, these people have become motivated failures. Failures by their own accounts because they have not achieved those Giant dreams which had been awakened.

    In 10th grade Latin class I learned motive came from a latin word meaning to MOVE.

    Motivational appeals move you mentally for a short period of time, but because most don't understand how and why the brain works, the movement (mentally toward positive belief) is short term and temporary.

    A motive is a REASON to move.

    It is the stimulus which causes a response of ACTION, or a response of movement.

    All the positive thinking, the visualization, the manifestation practices in the world won't work unless there is a foundation. And too many have a foundation of sand on someone's beach, and when the tides come in, it washes everything away.

    A foundation built on solid ground, on understanding the how and why, serves you better than the quick little shots of instant energy drinks that motivational stuff provides.

    IF you find yourself in constant need of these little shots of motivation, you would be wise to take a look at your foundation...the WHY you are doing what you are doing...and the WHAT

    the outcome will be when the motion is either concluded or at a point of rest which allows a look back to all the action, and then you can correct your action and adjust your MOVEMENT to get where you want to go.

    So, how much deodorant do you need today?

    GordonJ
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    When they catch up, definition is here.
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  • Profile picture of the author oppyeaunome
    This post really hit home. I've discovered the same thing recently. Positive thinking and all of the other motivational techniques will only be able to take you so far. I used to be a motivational junkie. Everyday I would have to watch some video with someone that was pumping me up just so that I would be able to make it through my day.

    When the day is over, I'm burned out and would have to do the same thing the next day. I'm sure that if we were to get a list of the people that come to these types of events, we would all be able to find the same people that have been coming to these events for years and still are in the same place.

    I think that reason for this is that it's like a drug. When you watch a motivational video or you hear a motivational speaker you go on this sort of high and it feels good. The only problem is that you come down and start to feel so low that you start looking for the next video so that you will be able to get your next hit.

    Getting pumped up only lasts for the moment, but changing your habits is what gives you the power that you need to truly make it through your day.

    After reading "The Power Of Habit" by Charles Duhigg, I started to realize that there were many things in my life that were holding me back. Things that if I did not read the book I would not have ever thought about.

    As you said another big reason that most people give up is because they do not know their "why". Sometimes I would just sit while I was working and just ask myself the question "why are you doing all of this?" and after going through that, I would get the motivation I need to crank out a little bit more.

    I love this post that you've shared with us because there is so much simple truth in it.

    The first thing that I will tell anyone to focus on is why they want to have the things that they want in their life. The next thing that I would tell them to focus on is to take a look at the routines and habits in their lives. This will allow them to see the things that they need to change.

    Track your progress and over time. If you remain consistent you'll start to see small changes in your life which add up over time to give you the life that you want.
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  • Profile picture of the author Realwann
    Motivating people with the seeds that you planted in your head and you have been watering them maybe for years, making your self believe in what you say 100% and convince your brain with certain ideologies, is not really easy to transfer them to someone especially if they are going to hear what you are saying for the first time, everything needs time. Am a person who likes to motivate people around me, and i get frustrated about it when they dont react or dont feel the energy and the information am giving them and maybe some take it for granted... its my personal experience with my own circle.
    Like i said earlier when you try to motivate someone, you are talking to them with your experiences, with all the things you have done.. things you failed at, they wont understand you because they are not you, because you also grew from where you once were, and maybe they are still backwards or they will never be able to understand and encrypt your messages!
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  • Profile picture of the author arushithakur
    Hey GordonJ

    I would say positive thinking and motivation is an essential part of everyone life. Sometime we feel enthusiasm and zest for life is missing then you need motivation to regain focus in your life.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kenny Lee
    I think it's unfair to say motivation doesn't work.

    Motivation works if we have our goal and are committed to it. Rain or shine we will stay on our path. Even if we feel terrible waking up in the morning we will commit to our goals.

    When we are truly committed to our goals, then some external motivation will be catalyst that would push us closer to what we want to achieve.

    I believe motivation works but only if we are committed.

    Cheers,
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  • Profile picture of the author creratechange
    This post really attracted me.

    I have to disagree although you made some very valid points, and reading through the comments it seems many others agree with you.

    I was homeless when I was 22 for a period of time. I slept in a gym that wasn't 24 hour. I slept in a broken 2 seater convertible during the winter and christmas period and I stayed on various couches of different friends. All because everything failed when I tried to chase my dream.

    I got myself up and am now in the process of starting my own business. I'm not going to write an essay that will bore any of you, I just want to say that the reason motivation does not work for many of you is because you have too much. You are not in a situation with your back up against the wall as bad as you think, and trust me you have to put yourself in a situation where it is do or die and then you will see how far motivation will take you.But most of you won't do that. Motivation can give you so much but its your mind that you need to adjust to feel the full benefit from it.

    I've started online marketing for products I believe in and not only products that cost but products for free. You don't need to pay out all the time to make a start you can use YouTube and stuff yourself but if you seriously think motivation isn't helping you then try meditating first. That's what I did. I'll add a link you can watch a FREE video about the Awakening Of Yourself.

    Click this link!!!

    It is actually free so may be worth checking out but if not go bash YouTube, go buy books from Les Brown, Eric Thomas, Jim Rohn or countless others you can never spend too much investment on yourself no matter where you get it.

    Good Luck guys
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      I never said motivation doesn't work.

      Here is another way to look at it. Christmas. Many kids set up little trains that go around and around, and

      around. Some people, millions of them, but, not you, of course...

      go round and round and round to Tony Robbins, Jim Rohn, Les Brown, etc., etc. etc. workshops, seminars, books, courses...

      Again, MILLIONs of people and they look like that little train at Christmas. Blowing a lot of smoke, making noise and going around the tree, getting nowhere.

      Different from the guy with a basement full of trains, with cities, and mountains and tunnels for his toy trains to go through, around and over.
      Although it looks different than the Christmas train, at the end of the run, it too is a train that goes around and around. Just has a lot of ORNAMENTAL magnifiers on it to make it look like its going somewhere.

      Then, there are real trains. Some get on them and actually go somewhere, and a few even have a destination, or a goal of where they want to go.

      Motivational junkies just get on the nearest train, with the most smoke and noise coming from it, and end up where they started.

      The inspired and motivated get on the right train because they had the initial reason, THE initial spark, hunger or dissatisfaction and that is the all the motivation they need.

      A goal. A reason why. Continuous effort adjusted.

      OR, round and round the mulberry bush...

      GordonJ
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Phillips
    I don't listen to motivational messages any more because quite frankly I'm fed up with them.

    Instead I have compiled a hypnosis CD of my cherished hypnotist.

    I play it right while I'm a sleep and noticed monumental changes down the road.

    The problem with watching/listening to messages while you're awake is that they go to waste because you consciously reject them, or you get a quick fix that doesn't last long.

    Just sleep on it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Princess Balestra
    Here's onea mine bombed last year.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/mind-war...-motivate.html

    Motivation gurus, feel free to quote my ass.

    Thing is, any endya got in mind gotta have sum means attached, or you gonna busy yourself doin' sumthin' else less clearly defined an' desirable.
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  • Profile picture of the author theoperator
    I think it's ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING how Tony Robbins swears and curses endlessly in his private seminars like "date with destiny". It's so shameful, dispicable, gross, nasty, disrespectful, and I could go on and on. They say he does that as some kind of a psychological tactic. But what a farse. The guy tells you that you need to "raise your standards". Well it's like...ya Tony Robbins, I did raise my standards, that why I can't stand your B.S. and your stupid swearing. Like watch the show "I am not your guru" on netflix, you'll turn it right off after 10 minutes. After you watch him swearing and cursing at everyone endlessly. It's so sick. Like these people pay 5000 dollars to go there to attend and to be sweared at for 6 days. It's nuts. Tony Robbins is has turned into the most shameful fraud I've ever seen. But money corrupts people. So I'm sure he figures he has no accountability because he's rich or something. It's truely sad. Like to see someone you hold in high esteem go from a decent person to a total jerk! I hope he takes his own advice and raises his standards.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by theoperator View Post

      I think it's ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING how Tony Robbins swears and curses endlessly in his private seminars like "date with destiny". It's so shameful, dispicable, gross, nasty, disrespectful, and I could go on and on. They say he does that as some kind of a psychological tactic. But what a farse. The guy tells you that you need to "raise your standards". Well it's like...ya Tony Robbins, I did raise my standards, that why I can't stand your B.S. and your stupid swearing. Like watch the show "I am not your guru" on netflix, you'll turn it right off after 10 minutes. After you watch him swearing and cursing at everyone endlessly. It's so sick. Like these people pay 5000 dollars to go there to attend and to be sweared at for 6 days. It's nuts. Tony Robbins is has turned into the most shameful fraud I've ever seen. But money corrupts people. So I'm sure he figures he has no accountability because he's rich or something. It's truely sad. Like to see someone you hold in high esteem go from a decent person to a total jerk! I hope he takes his own advice and raises his standards.
      Please give this some thought, OK? I think it is a communication problem for YOU.

      He doesn't care, is purposeful in the language he uses, and that is what gives him his cult and his 30 million bux a year.

      I don't know YOU. But, I know human behavior. I'm currently trying to help people elsewhere with grasping the FOUR types...which is a condensed version of Jungian ideas, as used in the Myers-Brigg's test.

      Without launching into all that, you are probably a Green with some Yellow...and Tony on stage is a RED, very much so. Now these don't mean anything to you, may sound like nonsense to you.

      IF you were take just a little time and study how you process information and how other types of people present themselves to the world, because they can't help themselves. This would benefit YOU greatly, screw Tony, he's doing just fine.

      But your very powerful reaction to his language is a key, which if you take the time to unlock the WHY you feel so strongly about it, it may of great benefit to yourself down the road.

      GordonJ

      PS. I believe he swears more today, for one very simple reason, he wants to impress Frank Kern, who has Tony hypnotized like a little kitty with a laser. So, he can't help himself, the need to impress Frank is so powerful, he'd say anything. HA!
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  • Profile picture of the author firnena
    hope whoever deleted my comments here felt satisfied. (it was just a simple agreeing respond to what gordonj were saying here). I dont know why but surely felt sad by this unwelcome act towards me.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by firnena View Post

      hope whoever deleted my comments here felt satisfied. (it was just a simple agreeing respond to what gordonj were saying here). I dont know why but surely felt sad by this unwelcome act towards me.
      I give the mods the benefit of the doubt, but sometimes it does get annoying, I'm currently having my posts go to moderation before they get posted, which, is laughable, although

      it is frustrating at times to see they skip over the spam and crap and seem to go out of their way to moderate certain warriors.

      Please learn to accept the moderation, it is their sandbox, their litter box and they try to keep it as clean as the can...

      Keep participating with the knowledge that sometimes your babies are going to get thrown out with the dirty bath water. Honestly, many of my posts never see the light of day.

      GordonJ

      PS. Get in the habit of copying and pasting your posts, I save my all mine in a word doc, and after 15 years and 3 different Avatars, they number several thousand, and some of my most precious babies, haven't lasted long here...part and parcel of posting on someone's beach. Please continue.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dawn Grant
    If anybody wants to motivate their self then he/she has to use hypnosis. With the use of hypnosis technique a you can solve that entire problem which is not possible according your mind thoughts.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by Dawn Grant View Post

      If anybody wants to motivate their self then he/she has to use hypnosis. With the use of hypnosis technique a you can solve that entire problem which is not possible according your mind thoughts.
      No they don't. Hypnosis is not a cure all, it doesn't solve the entire problem. In fact, most people using hypnosis technique either do it all wrong, or don't know what they are doing and few have verifiable results.

      Hypnosis is a tool, can be a very good one, but for most people, it is just one more thing to waste time and money on. Started studying hypnosis with Fran Renner in 1965, so I'm not new to the subject.

      Sigh.

      GordonJ
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew Fox
    For two importunate years, I struggled in a couple of areas.

    I felt crippled, paralyzed and in disbelief for just about anything.

    Then I discovered the power of hypnosis. Started having results down the road...in a few months I was totally unrecognizable. What worked for me was to deprogram my mind from limiting beliefs - first. Second, I rewired myself to another belief system just by being hypnotized, a therapy of sorts.

    After that, I started seeing more opportunities emerge and started taking action. Then more results which led more to programming and more action.

    My life turned into a page turning case study comparing who I was before.

    Not all hypnosis is created equal. I stick to one hypnosis and the results keep on piling.What a revelation let me tell you.

    I'm down to it. Won't look back at the tragedy I was...most people nowadays look like plane-crash survivors. Not me any more.
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  • Profile picture of the author C G
    Forget about motivation.

    You should have the discipline to take action whether you feel like it or not.

    Cheers,

    C.G.
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    • Profile picture of the author MValmont
      Originally Posted by C G View Post

      Forget about motivation.

      You should have the discipline to take action whether you feel like it or not.

      Cheers,

      C.G.

      Exactly , it's all about discipline.

      That being said, this is exactly what Tony Robbins teaches though. He teaches ways to re-wire your brain in a productive way.
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      • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
        Originally Posted by MValmont View Post

        Exactly , it's all about discipline.

        That being said, this is exactly what Tony Robbins teaches though. He teaches ways to re-wire your brain in a productive way.
        This gets tossed around a lot here, what does it mean?

        You have NO wires in your brain, you can't call an electrician and get the job done, what exactly does this mean?

        See, on a house, when you rewire, it means to replace the old with the new.

        In the brain, are you replacing old neural paths with new ones, and do the old disappear? What about understanding the OLD, where they came from and how they got there?

        GordonJ
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        • Profile picture of the author MValmont
          Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

          This gets tossed around a lot here, what does it mean?

          You have NO wires in your brain, you can't call an electrician and get the job done, what exactly does this mean?

          See, on a house, when you rewire, it means to replace the old with the new.

          In the brain, are you replacing old neural paths with new ones, and do the old disappear? What about understanding the OLD, where they came from and how they got there?

          GordonJ

          I'm not a scientist but I know about brain plasticity. Habits are basically neural pathways in your brain. With enough willpower and the right strategy, you can re-wire these neural pathways.

          For example I used to be TERRIFIED of public speaking. I would think in a certain way about it, and I would feel a certain way about it...

          I started to go to toastmasters (exposition therapy basically) and after a while I started to think in a different way about it, and ultimately feel a different way. One could argue I changed my neural pathways and I re-wired myself.
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          • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
            Originally Posted by MValmont View Post

            I'm not a scientist but I know about brain plasticity. Habits are basically neural pathways in your brain. With enough willpower and the right strategy, you can re-wire these neural pathways.

            For example I used to be TERRIFIED of public speaking. I would think in a certain way about it, and I would feel a certain way about it...

            I started to go to toastmasters (exposition therapy basically) and after a while I started to think in a different way about it, and ultimately feel a different way. One could argue I changed my neural pathways and I re-wired myself.
            Your anecdote is typical with this mind part of the WF, but, I seek strategies and methods which are not anecdotal, but principle based.

            You have helped me to say, that most is NON science based. But more about belief, which has been proven in double blind samples; placebos work in a % of the population.

            But, what did you change in your brain chemistry? What and why was the OLD neural pathways and how did they get there?

            It is sort of like laying new cable on top of the old, and a storm comes along and washes out the top (new) and the old cable kicks in.

            My contention is, there is very superficial talk here about hypnosis (and I have no idea what that means to the people who post it)...and that we can

            REWIRE our brains. But there is not much on the HOW to do it. The right way to create new habits (which are behaviors) and stay with them long enough until they become part of our processes.

            And, there is never a mention of hereditary and or regional influences which are still having powerful influences over many people's decision.

            We rely on our 12 year old inner self, which was hard wired AT THAT POINT, AND to rewire that takes time, effort and UNDERSTANDING, not some Tony Robbins Pablam in a ready filled teet.

            GordonJ
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  • Profile picture of the author MValmont
    I just told you : brain plasticity.

    What is it that you don't understand? Just google the god damn thing and educate yourself.

    There are hundreds of books on the topic. I'm not going to take your hand and teach you everything. You need to be proactive.

    Read the book Mastery. Read a few books about habits also...I mean...Have you even read a few books? They all talk about it dude. Or just do a simple google research.

    I actually done the Unleash the power within seminar by Tony Robbins and it was amazing.

    Just educate yourself.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by MValmont View Post

      I just told you : brain plasticity.

      What is it that you don't understand? Just google the god damn thing and educate yourself.

      There are hundreds of books on the topic. I'm not going to take your hand and teach you everything. You need to be proactive.

      Read the book Mastery. Read a few books about habits also...I mean...Have you even read a few books? They all talk about it dude. Or just do a simple google research.

      I actually done the Unleash the power within seminar by Tony Robbins and it was amazing.

      Just educate yourself.
      OK, thanks I will. Aren't you the guy with the HUMAN FUND?

      I like the George Costanza version better. But thanks for your attitude and tone, it seems we have another guru among us. Good to know.

      GordonJ

      PS. Brain Plasticity is the WHAT, I asked about the how.
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      • Profile picture of the author MValmont
        Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

        OK, thanks I will. Aren't you the guy with the HUMAN FUND?

        I like the George Costanza version better. But thanks for your attitude and tone, it seems we have another guru among us. Good to know.

        GordonJ

        PS. Brain Plasticity is the WHAT, I asked about the how.
        Then Google it and educate yourself. As simple as that.

        Life is easy.

        Ps: Let's be honest, you never did a tony robbins seminar so you have no (*(&(*& clue what you are talking about. Who are you that these people go there and then a few months fater they are back to square one?

        I went to one and it was amazing. Would recommend it to everybody and especially to you because it seems like you need it.
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        • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
          Originally Posted by MValmont View Post

          Then Google it and educate yourself. As simple as that.

          Life is easy.

          Ps: Let's be honest, you never did a tony robbins seminar so you have no (*(&(*& clue what you are talking about. Who are you that these people go there and then a few months fater they are back to square one?

          I went to one and it was amazing. Would recommend it to everybody and especially to you because it seems like you need it.
          Now, correct me if I'm wrong (as I'm sure you will)...
          you are some sort of a "Life Coach" and you help people to master their finances, health and EMOTIONS, right?

          You are, as far as I can tell, a self-proclaimed expert with a mission to HELP people, eh? Your mission is to inspire people, and you don't believe in higher education but are an autodidact who has read hundreds of books and attended some seminars.

          I think you've inspired me to become your new best buddy on the Warrior Forum, with nothing better to do, I think you might be my new hobby.

          I have to wonder how much that 1 to 1 coaching costs and if it covers knee jerk reactions to questions on forums? May I advise you to meditate for a moment or take a deep breath, it is not HEALTHY Max to get yourself worked up over a forum post, is it?

          I am an eager student ready, willing and able to follow your every move.

          Thanks,

          GordonJ
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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    Nothing wrong with filling your Mind with great stuff every day to keep you inspired.
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  • Profile picture of the author MValmont
    No wonder why self-development don't work for you.

    YOU ARE the problem. Just read your posts dude. YOU ARE the problem. Your mindset is weak.

    You say tony Robbins is crap, yet you didn't even attend a seminar. I tell you I went and it was amazing, but yet you still believe you are right.... Reality vs the perception that you have in your brain. Which one has the higher % of being true?

    I talked about brain plasticity and you went crazy and mad and asked me to define it...WHY DON'T YOU DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH.

    YOU STARTED THIS TRHEAD complaining about how self-development don't work. I give you a reason why it works, and instead of getting smart and doing research about it, you completely avoid it. YOU ARE the problem.

    You see, your mindset is the problem and it is quite funny because you say self-development don't work and pretty much ALL self-development books say the same thing : mindset is key.

    You say i'm a self-proclaimed expert but you are the one starting a thread trying to convince us Tony Robbins is shit and self-development doesn't work. Who are you? What have you achieved?

    Give us a break. You clearly don't know what you are talking about. You talk about the WHY. Well, Tony Robbins talk about the WHY all the time my friend...

    Ps: Might seems like i'm mad but I'm not. I'm writing this during one of my breaks and I'm laughing at the same time. One thing I've found is that by being direct it is often better. Good luck to you.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by MValmont View Post

      No wonder why self-development don't work for you.

      YOU ARE the problem. Just read your posts dude. YOU ARE the problem. Your mindset is weak.

      You say tony Robbins is crap, yet you didn't even attend a seminar. I tell you I went and it was amazing, but yet you still believe you are right.... Reality vs the perception that you have in your brain. Which one has the higher % of being true?

      I talked about brain plasticity and you went crazy and mad and asked me to define it...WHY DON'T YOU DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH.

      YOU STARTED THIS TRHEAD complaining about how self-development don't work. I give you a reason why it works, and instead of getting smart and doing research about it, you completely avoid it. YOU ARE the problem.

      You see, your mindset is the problem and it is quite funny because you say self-development don't work and pretty much ALL self-development books say the same thing : mindset is key.

      You say i'm a self-proclaimed expert but you are the one starting a thread trying to convince us Tony Robbins is shit and self-development doesn't work. Who are you? What have you achieved?

      Give us a break. You clearly don't know what you are talking about. You talk about the WHY. Well, Tony Robbins talk about the WHY all the time my friend...

      Ps: Might seems like i'm mad but I'm not. I'm writing this during one of my breaks and I'm laughing at the same time. One thing I've found is that by being direct it is often better. Good luck to you.
      You must have a real man crush on Tony, sort of like Hinckley had on Jodie Foster.

      And, maybe you are right, I may not know what I'm talking about...but Tony has been at it for over 35 years now. Sold millions of books, had thousands of fanboys like you attend his seminars. Some even more than one, and to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars.

      Where are the millions of people like you who have improved and benefited from sucking the Pablam (old 50's formula for feeding babies when mommy didn't breast feed) from Tony's teets?

      I'm not sure why you are making this personal, unless I really offended you and you're rushing to defend Tony (trust me, he doesn't need your help).

      As regards the rest of your blathering, you're pretty far off base with your assumptions. Glad to see you getting a laugh out of all this, coach, is that a technique you teach when getting people to mastery level of their emotions?

      It is a forum, public one at that. I posted my opinion. Others took exception and didn't have to drop to insulting and making it personal. But here we are, you laughing at me, me feeling sorry for you, and your mom.

      GordonJ
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      • Profile picture of the author MValmont
        Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

        You must have a real man crush on Tony, sort of like Hinckley had on Jodie Foster.

        And, maybe you are right, I may not know what I'm talking about...but Tony has been at it for over 35 years now. Sold millions of books, had thousands of fanboys like you attend his seminars. Some even more than one, and to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars.

        Where are the millions of people like you who have improved and benefited from sucking the Pablam (old 50's formula for feeding babies when mommy didn't breast feed) from Tony's teets?

        I'm not sure why you are making this personal, unless I really offended you and you're rushing to defend Tony (trust me, he doesn't need your help).

        As regards the rest of your blathering, you're pretty far off base with your assumptions. Glad to see you getting a laugh out of all this, coach, is that a technique you teach when getting people to mastery level of their emotions?

        It is a forum, public one at that. I posted my opinion. Others took exception and didn't have to drop to insulting and making it personal. But here we are, you laughing at me, me feeling sorry for you, and your mom.

        GordonJ
        I personally know many people that benefited from these training, but you personally don't because you just don't attract these kinds of people.

        Your mindset is your problem. I hang out with successful people and you don't.

        Your brain is so broken it's not even funny anymore.

        You say things that don't even make sense. You say : millions of people have done this seminar and nobody got results...SAYS WHO EXACTLY? I just told you I went and it was amazing. What it is that you don't understand? I also have about 10 close friends that went and they all say the same thing; it was amazing and they recommend it to everybody. Oh, and all of these friends have businesses and are making in the six digits minimum. WHO ARE YOU to say it is crap? You didn't even try it. You don't even know what you are talking about dude.

        You come here and try to be the voice of reason but you can't back it up with real data.

        Continue to make these threads and complain, I'll continue to travel the world, make a lot of money and progress because of all the things that I've learned on my journey (and I learned a lot from Tony Robbins), and maybe one day you will understand.

        I usually try to stay away from people like you, But since everybody sees this thread I just want to make sure people watching get some real information from someone who ACTUALLY WENT TO THE GODAMN SEMINAR and know what he is talking about.

        The whole premise of your thread is that motivation doesn't work because you need a WHY. However I'm telling you that Tony Robbins has been talking about this for more than 30 years, but you wouldn't know BECAUSE YOU DID NOT ATTEND HIS SEMINAR.

        I highly recommend you to watch this video by the way :

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        • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
          Originally Posted by MValmont View Post

          I personally know many people that benefited from these training, but you personally don't because you just don't attract these kinds of people.

          Your mindset is your problem. I hang out with successful people and you don't.

          Your brain is so broken it's not even funny anymore.

          You say things that don't even make sense. You say : millions of people have done this seminar and nobody got results...SAYS WHO EXACTLY? I just told you I went and it was amazing. What it is that you don't understand? I also have about 10 close friends that went and they all say the same thing; it was amazing and they recommend it to everybody. Oh, and all of these friends have businesses and are making in the six digits minimum. WHO ARE YOU to say it is crap? You didn't even try it. You don't even know what you are talking about dude.

          You come here and try to be the voice of reason but you can't back it up with real data.

          Continue to make these threads and complain, I'll continue to travel the world, make a lot of money and progress because of all the things that I've learned on my journey (and I learned a lot from Tony Robbins), and maybe one day you will understand.

          I usually try to stay away from people like you, But since everybody sees this thread I just want to make sure people watching get some real information from someone who ACTUALLY WENT TO THE GODAMN SEMINAR and know what he is talking about.
          You got results. A few of your friends got results. Am I wrong when I say millions have been exposed to Tony's books and courses?

          Do you know hundreds or even thousands of people like you who are all successful and all that?

          I never said EVERYONE, I do say the majority however. Maybe, it is YOU.

          Maybe you just have what it takes and would have achieved your dreams no matter what mom or Tony said and whatever you would have done may have given you success, maybe you are wired differently than most people. Maybe you have the extra something.

          Now, for the record, I was never complaining, just pointing out some facts about the whole motivational record, it isn't about me at all. I'm happy (and sad at the same time) for you and all that great success you are having, really, I am.

          But I'm getting more convinced you are one of those "special people" who just has the gift, and I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that your attitude and tone and personal admonishments directed at me come from a place you won't even consider.

          Maybe one day I will understand, where did you get the idea I've never attended a Tony seminar or anything else?

          Traveling the world and having money is a good thing for some people, and so far, you're not doing a very good job of staying away from people like me, or even me. What's up with that?

          You must like me. Thanks, but...I'm spoken for.

          GordonJ
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          • Profile picture of the author MValmont
            Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

            You got results. A few of your friends got results. Am I wrong when I say millions have been exposed to Tony's books and courses?

            Do you know hundreds or even thousands of people like you who are all successful and all that?

            I never said EVERYONE, I do say the majority however. Maybe, it is YOU.

            Maybe you just have what it takes and would have achieved your dreams no matter what mom or Tony said and whatever you would have done may have given you success, maybe you are wired differently than most people. Maybe you have the extra something.

            Now, for the record, I was never complaining, just pointing out some facts about the whole motivational record, it isn't about me at all. I'm happy (and sad at the same time) for you and all that great success you are having, really, I am.

            But I'm getting more convinced you are one of those "special people" who just has the gift, and I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that your attitude and tone and personal admonishments directed at me come from a place you won't even consider.

            Maybe one day I will understand, where did you get the idea I've never attended a Tony seminar or anything else?

            Traveling the world and having money is a good thing for some people, and so far, you're not doing a very good job of staying away from people like me, or even me. What's up with that?

            You must like me. Thanks, but...I'm spoken for.

            GordonJ
            I know you did not attend his seminar because of the way you are talking. If you did you would know that he is talking about THE WHY most of the time.

            Also, who are you to say that all these people didn't get anything out of the seminar? Do you know any people that actually went? Probably not.

            I don't have any special gift. Want to know my secret? I don't trust my brain, at all. Few years ago I truly looked at my life and said to myself : Am I were I want to be? The answer was no, then I came to the conclusion that pretty much everything that I believe must be wrong then. If I was not at the level of success that I wanted to be at, then clearly I was doing something wrong. I had a lot of false assumptions about the world around me.

            Example: I used to be really shy and I was REALLY afraid of public speaking. In my mind, everybody thought that I looked stupid and was bored when I was speaking. That was my assumption. I decided to test this assumption by EXPOSING MYSELF TO REALITY. Not to the imaginary world inside my head, REALITY. I went to toastmasters and I gradually became less stressed as I did it (exposition therapy), but ALSO, my assumption that everybody thought I looked weird was destroyed because more and more I was winning best speech of the night. I completely changed how I thought about it and how I felt. This is a deep level identity change. I don't care about the science behind it to be honest, I just know that it happened.

            Another example: I used to be a financial analyst working in real estate. I was not making a lot of money and I was living paycheck to paycheck. I found it weird because society tells us to go to university to make a lot of money, but in reality I WAS BROKE.

            I decided to listen to my friends that were making money and not my assumptions (that you had to go to university). They all had businesses and most of them had online businesses. I got interested in that and this is when I started to make a lot of money. It completely changed my life. I don't see things the same way.

            This is my special gift: I'm mentally flexible and I'm willing to expose myself to reality.
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            • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
              Originally Posted by MValmont View Post

              I know you did not attend his seminar because of the way you are talking. If you did you would know that he is talking about THE WHY most of the time.

              Also, who are you to say that all these people didn't get anything out of the seminar? Do you know any people that actually went? Probably not.

              I don't have any special gift. Want to know my secret? I don't trust my brain, at all. Few years ago I truly looked at my life and said to myself : Am I were I want to be? The answer was no, then I came to the conclusion that pretty much everything that I believe must be wrong then. If I was not at the level of success that I wanted to be at, then clearly I was doing something wrong. I had a lot of false assumptions about the world around me.

              Example: I used to be really shy and I was REALLY afraid of public speaking. In my mind, everybody thought that I looked stupid and was bored when I was speaking. That was my assumption. I decided to test this assumption by EXPOSING MYSELF TO REALITY. Not to the imaginary world inside my head, REALITY. I went to toastmasters and I gradually became less stressed as I did it (exposition therapy), but ALSO, my assumption that everybody thought I looked weird was destroyed because more and more I was winning best speech of the night. I completely changed how I thought about it and how I felt. This is a deep level identity change. I don't care about the science behind it to be honest, I just know that it happened.

              Another example: I used to be a financial analyst working in real estate. I was not making a lot of money and I was living paycheck to paycheck. I found it weird because society tells us to go to university to make a lot of money, but in reality I WAS BROKE.

              I decided to listen to my friends that were making money and not my assumptions (that you had to go to university). They all had businesses and most of them had online businesses. I got interested in that and this is when I started to make a lot of money. It completely changed my life. I don't see things the same way.

              This is my special gift: I'm mentally flexible and I'm willing to expose myself to reality.
              Well, it may be less about the "way I'm talking" and more about the way you are reading. You bring a lot of speculation and guesswork into the conversation, none of which is there in the OP, not implied at least. You've made a lot of assumptions based on one post, and have extrapolated from that what I have or have not done, what I know or don't know...and all because you have been hypnotized by Tony and have substituted more assumptions and replaced your old ones with new ones, like the one in which you think you know someone from a single thread in a public forum.

              Maybe go back and review your assumptions against a reality and not the world you have created in your mind.

              But, this is fun, eh?

              GordonJ
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  • Profile picture of the author MValmont
    No point arguing with you anymore. Enjoy your life.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by MValmont View Post

      No point arguing with you anymore. Enjoy your life.
      This clearly is proof you found what you brought along.

      And I do thank you for encouraging me to enjoy my life, even if it does lack Tony Robbins in it (is that even possible, to enjoy life without Tony?).

      Thanks Coach for your kind words, and I will enjoy it.

      GordonJ
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  • Profile picture of the author justincamp
    Reading self-help books or listening to videos of motivational speakers may fool you into thinking that you are already 'doing something good' and you get that high which will soon wear off because in fact, you have done nothing.

    Making a decision then taking action and seeing the progress you've made towards your goal, or having that feeling of accomplishment for a job well done will motivate you more than those other so-called "motivational stuffs".
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by justincamp View Post

      Reading self-help books or listening to videos of motivational speakers may fool you into thinking that you are already 'doing something good' and you get that high which will soon wear off because in fact, you have done nothing.

      Making a decision then taking action and seeing the progress you've made towards your goal, or having that feeling of accomplishment for a job well done will motivate you more than those other so-called "motivational stuffs".
      it is when one becomes a co-dependent, and needs a fix, and goes years without getting around to doing the thing they were inspired to do, is when it doesn't work.

      Also, those selling COACHING services, the guys here and all around who are making money from selling motivation, have a general skewed view.

      Too many coaches come from a place of severe unhappiness, and we can see that projected here. Their hero's journey from the depths of despair, having reached a crisis point, then having the inspirational/light bulb moment of discovery...becomes their HOW TO.

      It worked for me.

      They shout, exclaim, and yell from the rooftops, IT worked for me, if I did it so can you. And the one thing it seems they do, is project their own sorrow onto everyone.

      NOT everyone is in the pits, the dire straights, NOT everyone is being disowned, losing friends, falling into rabbit holes of drugs, alcohol or in need of an intervention.

      In fact, MOST aren't.

      They need a little push. A bit of a shove in the right direction. Some help. And they can often get that through a book, a person, an event and they really don't need a Guru, or a life coach or to spend thousands of dollars to do it in any anecdotal sort of way.

      Motivation is a good thing. Inspiration is good.

      It is when you find yourself not moving; days, weeks or months after attending a life changing event, and your life hasn't really changed...was the point of the OP, despite the thread getting hijacked by a life coach with something to sell.

      Get motivated, get inspired, but just make sure it is helping you get to where you want to go. IF you aren't making progress, then examine what you got all motivated about to begin with.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cindy H S
    They work honey, oh yes they do, just let the magic slide in.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by Cindy H S View Post

      They work honey, oh yes they do, just let the magic slide in.
      If they worked (for everyone), there wouldn't be a need for 1001 gurus.

      There is NO magic.
      Sorry.

      GordonJ
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      • Profile picture of the author MValmont
        Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

        If they worked (for everyone), there wouldn't be a need for 1001 gurus.

        There is NO magic.
        Sorry.

        GordonJ
        Nobody teaches magic.

        The main problem is YOU.

        You are the problem and you don't even realize it.

        You come here and bash self-help and it makes you feel good,

        But you are still a failure, and deep down you know it.

        YOU ARE the problem. Your mindset is weak and the way you think is why you are not there yet.

        The teacher appears when the student is ready.

        Have you ever read a book a second time and you thought to yourself : wow, I really didn't see it that way the first time?

        It was the same information both times, but the second time you absorbed the information in a different way.

        When the student is ready, the teacher appears.

        You can take the BEST BOXING COACH ever and make him coach someone with a bad attitude and this person WILL NEVER be a good boxer. Why? Is it because the teacher is bad? No! He's the best in the world! But the student simply suck. That's the truth.

        And you my friend, are not ready.

        You are still at the stage in which you blame the external world for your failures.

        SELF-DEVELOPMENT DOESN'T WORK, IT'S A SCAM.

        Dude, here is a secret: You are the problem.

        All the successful people are proactive and all the non-successful people think like you do.

        And I know you will come back here with the same old stuff, but again, you are the problem and deep down you know it, but it is much easier to blame the external world.

        You are not successful and you will never be until you fix that. That's the truth. I don't care you don't like me for saying it.
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        • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
          Originally Posted by MValmont View Post

          Nobody teaches magic.

          The main problem is YOU.

          You are the problem and you don't even realize it.

          You come here and bash self-help and it makes you feel good,

          But you are still a failure, and deep down you know it.

          YOU ARE the problem. Your mindset is weak and the way you think is why you are not there yet.

          The teacher appears when the student is ready.

          Have you ever read a book a second time and you thought to yourself : wow, I really didn't see it that way the first time?

          It was the same information both times, but the second time you absorbed the information in a different way.

          When the student is ready, the teacher appears.

          You can take the BEST BOXING COACH ever and make him coach someone with a bad attitude and this person WILL NEVER be a good boxer. Why? Is it because the teacher is bad? No! He's the best in the world! But the student simply suck. That's the truth.

          And you my friend, are not ready.

          You are still at the stage in which you blame the external world for your failures.

          SELF-DEVELOPMENT DOESN'T WORK, IT'S A SCAM.

          Dude, here is a secret: You are the problem.

          All the successful people are proactive and all the non-successful people think like you do.

          And I know you will come back here with the same old stuff, but again, you are the problem and deep down you know it, but it is much easier to blame the external world.
          Why it seems like only yesterday you had had enough of me, the kind of people you try to avoid at all costs, yet, here you are. Still touting, still pimping, still trying to get some business for your coaching services.

          Maybe you might want to consider giving me a cut, like an affiliate, for providing you so much sig file exposure. You just keep repeating yourself, over and over,
          on going perseverating
          and being redundant...

          and YEA, you think I'm the problem, but I must be very magnetic and/or attractive to you because you just can't resist me, can you?

          GordonJ

          PS. I am in no way, shape or form your "friend", would appreciate it if you quit referring to me as one, ok buddy?
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          • Profile picture of the author MValmont
            Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

            Why it seems like only yesterday you had had enough of me, the kind of people you try to avoid at all costs, yet, here you are. Still touting, still pimping, still trying to get some business for your coaching services.

            Maybe you might want to consider giving me a cut, like an affiliate, for providing you so much sig file exposure. You just keep repeating yourself, over and over,
            on going perseverating
            and being redundant...

            and YEA, you think I'm the problem, but I must be very magnetic and/or attractive to you because you just can't resist me, can you?

            GordonJ
            Just so you know, I'm not selling any life coaching services here as I'm not taking any clients. I have people writing me on my blog everyday for coaching and I don't offer any life coaching services so clearly you don't know what you are talking about. Again, trying to attack me instead of using the brain that you have to progress in life.

            The reason i'm replying to you is because I've never seen someone so....how to say it...Let's just say not street smart in my life.

            You really have a problem dude. You can't even argue properly, the only thing you do is attack me but even your attack are weak.

            I really feel bad for you.

            The reason why I'm replying is because I know other people are reading this thread and I'm not going to let you influence other people like this with this crap.

            What you are saying is dangerous because clearly are not successful and if people listen to you they will become like you.

            Now people can make their choice:

            Listen to the angry guy that claim that everything is a scam, nothing works and that doesn't have any success in life,

            OR

            The guy that actually went to the seminar and says it was amazing, makes a lot of money online, and can articulate his point of view and argue properly even though english is not his native language.

            That being said, enjoy your day
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            • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
              Originally Posted by MValmont View Post

              Just so you know, I'm not selling any life coaching services here as I'm not taking any clients. I have people writing me on my blog everyday for coaching and I don't offer any life coaching services so clearly you don't know what you are talking about. Again, trying to attack me instead of using the brain that you have to progress in life.

              The reason i'm replying to you is because I've never seen someone so....how to say it...Let's just say not street smart in my life.

              You really have a problem dude. You can't even argue properly, the only thing you do is attack me but even your attack are weak.

              I really feel bad for you.

              The reason why I'm replying is because I know other people are reading this thread and I'm not going to let you influence other people like this with this crap.

              What you are saying is dangerous because clearly are not successful and if people listen to you they will become like you.
              So, you're some sort of Mind Forum cop? You are protecting those people who somehow might come under my hypnotic influence???

              How kind and generous of you to protect these poor souls, I guess they can't, don't or won't think for themselves and come to their own conclusions, one way or the other.

              On their behalf, thank god you are here. My influence is dangerous, I'm a dangerous dude...and you are here to shelter those from the harm.

              God bless you dear soul.

              These Warriors. Who in the MIND forum, 99% of them already here because they are believers, who want the motivation, who want inspiration are going to be influenced by one guy who has simply stated...one size does not fit all.

              Again, thank you for your generosity of time and instruction.

              GordonJ

              PS. look at the spinning wheel, your eyelids are getting heavy, you want to close them...
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        • Profile picture of the author Daryl Jace
          I think we'd all agree that motivation is transient right? You can't sustain motivation day after day for decades or even years. I also think we'd all agree that motivation can/has been beneficial for all of us at some point in our lives. I think the issue with motivation is our reliance on it. We are relying on something that we all agree isn't reliable in the long term.


          What do we rely on then? I think the answer might be self control and discipline. It gets stronger with repeated use (I think) and self control is ignoring and not relying on something as transient and easily swayed as emotions. Accomplishing big goals requires almost always requires doing hard shit you don't feel like doing right? Isn't the best way to attack these goals with self control? If so why do so many people (myself included) suck at it and how do we improve it?
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    • Profile picture of the author socialentry
      Banned
      Originally Posted by Cindy H S View Post

      They work honey, oh yes they do, just let the magic slide in.
      thats what she said
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  • Profile picture of the author Princess Balestra
    Thing about the power within is, how did it get there?

    Sure, you got genetic predisposition & evolutionary Jurassics, an' sum people might wanna factor in various shadesa religion an' esoterica, but beyond that -- whaddya got?

    There is nuthin' hard wired into my brain about howta type alla this out -- same as when I get to be 127 an' droolin' into a bucket & nuthin' in my gray matter gonna prepare me for the tricks I gotta perform for keepin' holda my holographic teeth while I am bein' buttwhipped for the Dementiatwinkle Channel.

    Breathin an' peristalsis're automatic -- but txtin', like most stuff we learn, ain't.

    In that sense we are all plastic, continually adaptin' our interactions with the world to compensate for not bein' born knowin' evrythin'.

    It don't help how that very same world is pulsin' out on flux insteada fixed in sum kinda scientific control stasis we could split test on more easily -- but do not blame me for that.

    Thing is, most people do not wanna revise the stuff they learn, so they get stuck.

    Plasticity atrophies down to expert rigidity.

    So I figure what we're talkin' about here beyond motivation is motive, sans invisible hyphen an' evident suffix.

    Motive is movement toward a goal, an intention turned action, fusiona idea an' means kinda happnin' for good or ill as they play on out in unison.

    Hey -- motive drives alla the best movies an' fiction an' theater, so prolly we should put motive centrestage IRL.

    Thing is, if your motive power getsya whatya want, there is mebbe no reason to change it -- an' I am thinkin' GordonJ's "special people" here.

    But not all change is downta us, an' most times we gotta adapt, cos the world's change is bigger'n our personal iRealignmenta motive forces.

    So: Usain Bolt wakes up tomorrow an' gives up runnin' to become a basketball player cos he figures he is a tall enough guy.

    Ha! Like that is gonna happen.

    But what if he did wanna change?

    Swap out alla his expertise to get cool at sum other thing?

    Figure he gotta do that sumtime cos he can't gowan winnin' the 100m forever.

    So what is he gonna DO?

    What is the HOWsome gonna inform his wannabe-transmuted NOWsome?

    How is he gonna ask noo questions about himself gonna supply practical answers beyond idle wishin'?

    How is he gonna revise his motive power -- thought an' action allied as one -- so he no longer runs an' mebbe lectures or trains runners or establishes sum cruelty-free dolphin park for disadvantaged kids?

    I guess the problem with revision is, it takes time an' thought to swing a new direction gonna lead sumplace cos a lotta stuff we do is done on autopilot, with no hopea change or revision, or (critically) no sighta need for change or revision.

    So I would always wanna wonder about any kinda motivational stance gonna revolutionize your habits top to bottom in a flash cos I seen how disastrously unadaptable people are when they reeeealy wanna give up cigarettes, drugs, alcohol, gamblin', sex, an' other desirable stuff they taught 'emselves to want via the mediuma their anatomy.

    I guess motive is desire, brain an' body dancin' a tango to sum purpose.

    Bestya can do is dance awhile, reflectin' on your motion, direction an' style -- then stop, mebbe change sumthin', an' go again.

    Mebbe that reflective & momentary cessationa activity in advancea renewed action is what Gandhi meant by becomin' the change you wanna see in the world, because ifya do not STOP to think, an' ifya do not change howya follow through on the basisa that thinkin', you jus' do whatever your braino currently got.

    What else is in there other than stuff you wired up yourself by interactin' with the cosmos?

    Raw, unrefined sumthin' mebbe -- so besta luck bitin' the heads offa discontinued wild boar in pursuita progress.

    Thing is, too many motivators I see kinda layer on the action, effort an' Can-Do-power, an' jus' help crap people become better at bein' the crap they already got.

    Pumpin' up the expertly rigid always leadsta trouble -- an' I am not tryin' to be lewd here.

    To be fair, I ain't looked in much on Robbins, but he always strikes me as a secular evangelist with a face too big for his head.

    Jus' dippin' into his website, I notice he has sum stuff about mindfulness -- but I am kinda doobious.

    What he calls Primin' sounds a lot to me like hyperventilation.

    Tellya, I would wonder why I gotta take in a whole buncha Oxygen whose only purpose is to pump me up so I get sum kinda buzz.

    (I jus' tried it, btw, an' if you figure what I normally write is incomprehensible, you wanna see what I edited out here as I was gruntin' abominably like a baboon in heat.)

    Dunno, kinda goes nowhere for me, as does jumpin' around in a stadium alongside a zillion other people sans sexy frickin' rock band or Benedict Cumberbatch orally storytellin' in the flesho.

    Seems more practical to get the same kinda buzz from exotic dancin' or exercisin', an' power down to calmer Oxygen distribution by floppin' out on a Yoga mat.

    That way, you get to figure on what is necessary for breathin' -- onea motive's necessities -- insteada hyperinterferin' with sum hardwired process gonna keepya alive even if ur comatose.

    Tellya, breathin' is super hardwire, an' I would wanna leave it alone.

    Anythin' you can calibrate up from bein' comatose prolly got your motive on it, so you gotta take carea breatha life deliverin' the goods by trustin' your lungs over arbitrary oxygenatin' regimesa miked up pumpo.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

      Thing about the power within is, how did it get there?

      Sure, you got genetic predisposition & evolutionary Jurassics, an' sum people might wanna factor in various shadesa religion an' esoterica, but beyond that -- whaddya got?

      There is nuthin' hard wired into my brain about howta type alla this out -- same as when I get to be 127 an' droolin' into a bucket & nuthin' in my gray matter gonna prepare me for the tricks I gotta perform for keepin' holda my holographic teeth while I am bein' buttwhipped for the Dementiatwinkle Channel.

      Breathin an' peristalsis're automatic -- but txtin', like most stuff we learn, ain't.

      In that sense we are all plastic, continually adaptin' our interactions with the world to compensate for not bein' born knowin' evrythin'.

      It don't help how that very same world is pulsin' out on flux insteada fixed in sum kinda scientific control stasis we could split test on more easily -- but do not blame me for that.

      Thing is, most people do not wanna revise the stuff they learn, so they get stuck.

      Plasticity atrophies down to expert rigidity.

      So I figure what we're talkin' about here beyond motivation is motive, sans invisible hyphen an' evident suffix.

      Motive is movement toward a goal, an intention turned action, fusiona idea an' means kinda happnin' for good or ill as they play on out in unison.

      Hey -- motive drives alla the best movies an' fiction an' theater, so prolly we should put motive centrestage IRL.

      Thing is, if your motive power getsya whatya want, there is mebbe no reason to change it -- an' I am thinkin' GordonJ's "special people" here.

      But not all change is downta us, an' most times we gotta adapt, cos the world's change is bigger'n our personal iRealignmenta motive forces.

      So: Usain Bolt wakes up tomorrow an' gives up runnin' to become a basketball player cos he figures he is a tall enough guy.

      Ha! Like that is gonna happen.

      But what if he did wanna change?

      Swap out alla his expertise to get cool at sum other thing?

      Figure he gotta do that sumtime cos he can't gowan winnin' the 100m forever.

      So what is he gonna DO?

      What is the HOWsome gonna inform his wannabe-transmuted NOWsome?

      How is he gonna ask noo questions about himself gonna supply practical answers beyond idle wishin'?

      How is he gonna revise his motive power -- thought an' action allied as one -- so he no longer runs an' mebbe lectures or trains runners or establishes sum cruelty-free dolphin park for disadvantaged kids?

      I guess the problem with revision is, it takes time an' thought to swing a new direction gonna lead sumplace cos a lotta stuff we do is done on autopilot, with no hopea change or revision, or (critically) no sighta need for change or revision.

      So I would always wanna wonder about any kinda motivational stance gonna revolutionize your habits top to bottom in a flash cos I seen how disastrously unadaptable people are when they reeeealy wanna give up cigarettes, drugs, alcohol, gamblin', sex, an' other desirable stuff they taught 'emselves to want via the mediuma their anatomy.

      I guess motive is desire, brain an' body dancin' a tango to sum purpose.

      Bestya can do is dance awhile, reflectin' on your motion, direction an' style -- then stop, mebbe change sumthin', an' go again.

      Mebbe that reflective & momentary cessationa activity in advancea renewed action is what Gandhi meant by becomin' the change you wanna see in the world, because ifya do not STOP to think, an' ifya do not change howya follow through on the basisa that thinkin', you jus' do whatever your braino currently got.

      What else is in there other than stuff you wired up yourself by interactin' with the cosmos?

      Raw, unrefined sumthin' mebbe -- so besta luck bitin' the heads offa discontinued wild boar in pursuita progress.

      Thing is, too many motivators I see kinda layer on the action, effort an' Can-Do-power, an' jus' help crap people become better at bein' the crap they already got.

      Pumpin' up the expertly rigid always leadsta trouble -- an' I am not tryin' to be lewd here.

      To be fair, I ain't looked in much on Robbins, but he always strikes me as a secular evangelist with a face too big for his head.

      Jus' dippin' into his website, I notice he has sum stuff about mindfulness -- but I am kinda doobious.

      What he calls Primin' sounds a lot to me like hyperventilation.

      Tellya, I would wonder why I gotta take in a whole buncha Oxygen whose only purpose is to pump me up so I get sum kinda buzz.

      (I jus' tried it, btw, an' if you figure what I normally write is incomprehensible, you wanna see what I edited out here as I was gruntin' abominably like a baboon in heat.)

      Dunno, kinda goes nowhere for me, as does jumpin' around in a stadium alongside a zillion other people sans sexy frickin' rock band or Benedict Cumberbatch orally storytellin' in the flesho.

      Seems more practical to get the same kinda buzz from exotic dancin' or exercisin', an' power down to calmer Oxygen distribution by floppin' out on a Yoga mat.

      That way, you get to figure on what is necessary for breathin' -- onea motive's necessities -- insteada hyperinterferin' with sum hardwired process gonna keepya alive even if ur comatose.

      Tellya, breathin' is super hardwire, an' I would wanna leave it alone.

      Anythin' you can calibrate up from bein' comatose prolly got your motive on it, so you gotta take carea breatha life deliverin' the goods by trustin' your lungs over arbitrary oxygenatin' regimesa miked up pumpo.
      Well Princess, I think we are (or may be) sympatico. Hope so.

      As for the thread, I started it and as the OP, I feel the old WF obligation to respond to the posts which follow. Today, we can find all kinds of threads started by the drive by posters who are never heard from again.

      But I can only return a volley as it comes across the net. It is somewhat surprising to see someone who doesn't want anything to do with someone like me....spending so much time and energy

      to protect this sub forum from my dangerous influence

      So, Princess PLEASE be aware, there is danger here, but, you are apparently under the protection of a highly motivated guru.

      I promise, I won't respond to crickets in the mist, just let it roll off the board, as long as the Forum Cop just moves along and fills his piehole with a donut rather than spew his uncontrolled emotional knee jerk responses, eh?

      GordonJ
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      • Profile picture of the author Princess Balestra
        Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

        Well Princess, I think we are (or may be) sympatico. Hope so.

        GordonJ
        Hey — I figure we are sympatico on at least summa this.

        You raised a really astoot point earlier about the efficacya gurus, namely how what they got jus' don't work for evryone.

        An' this is not jus' the motivayshun niche — all kindsa sportspeople an' dieters an' writers got all kindsa methods an' techniques an' schemes which are not universally successful.

        Gotta factor in how sum people won't stick to the plan, but what is at issue in this post (I think) is WHAT WORKS?

        So I was wantin' to be scientific alongside my usual bombast, tryin' to figure how the guru deal — motivayshun or "My Special Diet" — don't work out 100% in the same way as settin' fire to Magnesium always throws up a flash.

        I see partial efficacy in so many schemes — especially alla the Wake Up At 5pm An' Excel Like A God posts typically frequent the MW section.

        Noo balls, please...
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        • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
          Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

          Hey — I figure we are sympatico on at least summa this.

          You raised a really astoot point earlier about the efficacya gurus, namely how what they got jus' don't work for evryone.

          An' this is not jus' the motivayshun niche — all kindsa sportspeople an' dieters an' writers got all kindsa methods an' techniques an' schemes which are not universally successful.

          Gotta factor in how sum people won't stick to the plan, but what is at issue in this post (I think) is WHAT WORKS?

          So I was wantin' to be scientific alongside my usual bombast, tryin' to figure how the guru deal — motivayshun or "My Special Diet" — don't work out 100% in the same way as settin' fire to Magnesium always throws up a flash.

          I see partial efficacy in so many schemes — especially alla the Wake Up At 5pm An' Excel Like A God posts typically frequent the MW section.

          Noo balls, please...
          First, an aside...you are doing a lousy job protecting your own court, the Copywriter one, there is a guy (George) who wants to steal your tiara with his "effortless exercise"... very creative writing he's got going, if "i" was you, "i'd" be a little GaGa over his meat dress...

          Now, try this titanium raquet for the MIND/Guru rackets:

          A 6'3" golfer is by nature, going to have a more upright swing than a 5'7" guy.

          But a PGA pro, a guru of sorts will teach them both the same, he has fundamentals, like all aforementioned gurus, which a dedicated student must adhere to. Some people just CAN'T visualize, not even if they have been to a real, professional hypnotist, or have paid 10K to attend a Tony Robbins, Visualize the coals not burning your flesh seminar.

          But back to golf (hey, every country club kid who plays tennis, has a set of clubs and a club pro at his beck and call)...

          So our friendly forum cop would have them attend a Tiger Woods seminar to get all pumped up and motivated and have Tiger inspire them (escorts extra)...and they come home with a mindset like Tiger's.

          Reality. Tom Weiskoph, 6'3" journeyman golfer, some would say with one of golf's most perfect swings...a PGA taught swing and a very good golfer...

          Lee Trevino 5'7", one of the all time GREATS, with an imperfect stance, a flat swing which came from mastering the winds of West Texas...who was self taught, developed his own way of doing things and held completely different thoughts in his mind.

          But the guru, PGA Club Pro, would say (as per this thread)...

          YEA, but think of what Lee could have done if he had gone about it the right way, the only way...the "MY way because I went to Tiger's summer camp" way...

          I would teach a shorter guy how to use Lee's method, which better suits his natural abilities, and a taller guy to look at Tom's.

          BUT according the thread police, here to protect and serve...I don't know what I'm talking about. Also, 3% return on a cold mailing, a 97% failure rate (the other part of your thought) has made many a guy some very nice dough.

          GordonJ
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          • Profile picture of the author Princess Balestra
            Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post


            YEA, but think of what Lee could have done if he had gone about it the right way, the only way...the "MY way because I went to Tiger's summer camp" way...

            GordonJ
            Mebbe we got sum sorta principle at work here.

            Think about actors or singin'.

            Lotsa schoolsa thought in those fields about process an' craft -- evrythin' from method actin' to Chekhov to Brechtian to Bel Canto to tantric breathin' style wailin'.

            An' always there is gonna be sum Trevino person figures out sumthin' from scratch that works real good.

            Thinkin' herea guys like Ben Kingsley, David Bowie, Prince -- an' there are thousands more, evrythin' from art to dance & round back again to business entreprenoors.

            Comin' back to the very first post, gotta wonder on the external motivation gowin' on here.

            Can't see any argument these guys were not externally motivated holdin' water, cos evryone got influences.

            They took in stuff, found 'emselves sufficiently moved by events to act an' produce worka value, an' prolly they had sum kinda teachers along the way.

            But I guess what is gowin' on here is a kinda catalytic motivation rather than followin' too mucha the leada any formalised input from outside -- the One True Methoda The One True Guru kinda external.

            On the flip side, whenya got One True Method -- which oneya gonna pick?

            Anthony Hopkins is famously anti-Method actin' an' Dustin Hoffman famously pro- that deal.

            But who is gonna deny either guy the stirrin' performances they gave an' favor Hoff's Graduate innocence over Hopkins' Lecter corruption (or vice versa) for the sakea hailin' one motivatin' (ie "makin' actual") theater craft over another?

            What external doctrines are universally applicable to all?

            I guess evry guru believes their own One True Sumthin' is universal, open to all who walk the path, but insteada trampin' round the place in rags, attractin' followers to their charismatic person by oratin' round campfires an' from offa the topsa soap boxes, contemporary gurus are increasingly miked up an' packin' Rolex.
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            • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
              Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

              Mebbe we got sum sorta principle at work here.

              Think about actors or singin'.

              Lotsa schoolsa thought in those fields about process an' craft -- evrythin' from method actin' to Chekhov to Brechtian to Bel Canto to tantric breathin' style wailin'.

              An' always there is gonna be sum Trevino person figures out sumthin' from scratch that works real good.

              Thinkin' herea guys like Ben Kingsley, David Bowie, Prince -- an' there are thousands more, evrythin' from art to dance & round back again to business entreprenoors.

              Comin' back to the very first post, gotta wonder on the external motivation gowin' on here.

              Can't see any argument these guys were not externally motivated holdin' water, cos evryone got influences.

              They took in stuff, found 'emselves sufficiently moved by events to act an' produce worka value, an' prolly they had sum kinda teachers along the way.

              But I guess what is gowin' on here is a kinda catalytic motivation rather than followin' too mucha the leada any formalised input from outside -- the One True Methoda The One True Guru kinda external.

              On the flip side, whenya got One True Method -- which oneya gonna pick?

              Anthony Hopkins is famously anti-Method actin' an' Dustin Hoffman famously pro- that deal.

              But who is gonna deny either guy the stirrin' performances they gave an' favor Hoff's Graduate innocence over Hopkins' Lecter corruption (or vice versa) for the sakea hailin' one motivatin' (ie "makin' actual") theater craft over another?

              What external doctrines are universally applicable to all?

              I guess evry guru believes their own One True Sumthin' is universal, open to all who walk the path, but insteada trampin' round the place in rags, attractin' followers to their charismatic person by oratin' round campfires an' from offa the topsa soap boxes, contemporary gurus are increasingly miked up an' packin' Rolex.
              This sub forum has recently seen at least two new coaches come aboard, and with their 'TRUTHS" AND "FACTS", which are neither for reasons discussed...

              But consider these "facts.
              You were born, you will die.
              You come into the world with inherited genes, which may play a significant part in your life, albeit, mostly ignored by gurus.
              Your early childhood influences stay with yu for a long time UNTIL you decide to change them, the ones that you can.

              As a child, you were controlled by other people.
              As an adult, if you are controlled by other people (boss, supervisor) you have willingly
              surrendered your choices (in Western and Eastern free countries)

              If you have a job you hate or a boss you can't stand, remember how you got there, you WANTED IT, you asked for it.

              You have daily activities, you have behaviors which produce daily results, if you don't want those results, then you
              A) have to decide which results you do want
              B) do the behaviors to get the new results
              C) keep doing them

              Which is the essence of almost all "change your mind, change your life programs"

              So, there are universal applications, which work for anybody, anywhere (in the free world) and it does not require all the "magic" and voodoo of a Tony Robbins to understand what we,

              the ones who are the problem

              have to do to facilitate change.

              GordonJ
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  • Profile picture of the author mars244
    I totally agree with your rant Gordon. Changes come not at a mental level but at the energetic level which even below the cellular level. I mean within the auric forcefield of the person. I know that sounds woo-woo but its true. You MUST make the change in your energy field.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by mars244 View Post

      I totally agree with your rant Gordon. Changes come not at a mental level but at the energetic level which even below the cellular level. I mean within the auric forcefield of the person. I know that sounds woo-woo but its true. You MUST make the change in your energy field.
      It is whatever works, my fight is against the coaches who keep hyping and touting guru's methods because it worked for them, when there is plenty of evidence that people exposed to and practicing the guru way...don't get guru results, and my contention is simple

      the guru way, even the great Tony Robbins, doesn't have ways which work for everyone.

      Look for ways which work for YOU, not for someone else, no matter how much money he makes, nor how many girls he pick ups (being a PUA and all, nor where he has traveled in the world...

      SEEK and find motivation and inspiration which resonates, and WORKS for you.

      If what you do is working, and you aren't on a roller coaster ride of ups and downs like many Tony Robbins followers, fantastic, keep doing it.

      GordonJ
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  • Profile picture of the author beat ship
    I would have to argue that motivational things do work. For a reader like me, I like to keep myself motivated by reading on "motivational things" and listening to success stories. After all, there is a saying that "you are what you eat". When you read, you digest something. I remember my professor saying that we must eat the law (referring to our law book). Just like studying something, it is not always easy to just "eat" something. It is more importantly difficult when the subject of what you're eating is new to you like you didn't study this in college or it is a really wide topic to digest. So, when you say that motivational things don't work, they really do. Some people, like me, for example, who have not yet mastered the art of being a boss of their emotions, their moods, (notwithstanding the fact of being a woman and how this affects our moods) need this little sources of motivation to fuel our innate motivation which can sometimes decline because of external factors.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by beat ship View Post

      I would have to argue that motivational things do work. For a reader like me, I like to keep myself motivated by reading on "motivational things" and listening to success stories. After all, there is a saying that "you are what you eat". When you read, you digest something. I remember my professor saying that we must eat the law (referring to our law book). Just like studying something, it is not always easy to just "eat" something. It is more importantly difficult when the subject of what you're eating is new to you like you didn't study this in college or it is a really wide topic to digest. So, when you say that motivational things don't work, they really do. Some people, like me, for example, who have not yet mastered the art of being a boss of their emotions, their moods, (notwithstanding the fact of being a woman and how this affects our moods) need this little sources of motivation to fuel our innate motivation which can sometimes decline because of external factors.
      I can't argue with you, or any given you. Your anecdotal experience is not universally shared.
      You did qualify it, for "a reader like me".

      My argument isn't against any one given motivational strategy, it is only when the coaches, those with something to sell...continue to insist they have the "truth" and the "facts", and that any given guru's way is THE way to do it.

      I'm happy for you for staying motivated.

      GordonJ
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  • Profile picture of the author Borys Kurachenko
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  • Profile picture of the author siera
    Motivational things don't work with action. It is simply as that. It is how you process the motivation to improve your life.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by siera View Post

      Motivational things don't work with action. It is simply as that. It is how you process the motivation to improve your life.
      HMM, type or I'm confused. Did you mean without action?

      GordonJ
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  • Profile picture of the author intellg
    "IF you find yourself in constant need of these little shots of motivation..." That is a sure warning sign that you lack clarity in what you want out of life. Other signs could be buying or downloading so many self-improvement books or idolizing so-called business or health coaches. It is almost living vicariously through them and feeling successful already because of that association. So I agree, when it comes to making decisions about our life or how we want to change it, it's best to look within ourselves for answers.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by intellg View Post

      "IF you find yourself in constant need of these little shots of motivation..." That is a sure warning sign that you lack clarity in what you want out of life. Other signs could be buying or downloading so many self-improvement books or idolizing so-called business or health coaches. It is almost living vicariously through them and feeling successful already because of that association. So I agree, when it comes to making decisions about our life or how we want to change it, it's best to look within ourselves for answers.
      Earl Nightingale said,

      Success is the progressive realization of a worthy goal or ideal.

      If you believe this then the starting point is the goal, right? Progressive realization implies movement and adjustment toward the goal.

      What you want to change comes from the WHY you want to change. It is a good idea to take a look at ourselves, as in a mirror.

      What do you see that world sees? What do you want to see? The problem with so much motivation and personal improvement is the begin or starting line.

      It is NOW, but seldom takes in the how you got to now.

      My original OP simply says, motivational stuff only goes so far and often wears off, but when the GOAL is self generated and a worthy ideal, the need to achieve is in place, motivation is internal, and all the gurus in the world can't touch that.

      GordonJ
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  • Profile picture of the author sunsetcoder
    You cannot get motivated by just reading quotes you have to make your own way so that you can write quotes after getting success
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  • Profile picture of the author gibbsjoan85
    we need to set up goal to achieve it. Yeah, it is a matter of discipline on every things we have into our life. Focus and determination is important then.
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  • Profile picture of the author tomako
    Usually, a cheque in the hands will motivate most people 100 times more than any other thing. This also makes it clear why we need more motivation from others in the first years.

    And for the seasoned marketers, after some time they start to set their goals too high and forget the taste of success, and lost motivation.
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  • Profile picture of the author pabrigowar
    I pretty much don't know anyone with a very successful biz or really good in his/her profession without any coaching or at least subscribes to, on a regular basis, a sort of some source of motivation or inspiration...

    I personally think it super necessary as humans... with many weaknesses and always prone to adversities (i know there are always exceptions to the rule) .

    Also, timing and the right Guru are also critical... susceptibility (when it's time) and maturity (when you realize it's now or never) meet the right Gurus ... you're off to a great life!!!

    But these motivational sources (including meditation and positive visualization), just like everything else in life, have to be maintained and consistent to keep you on fire. And when you hit a ceiling or a wall (like creative blocks, making mistakes, frustrations, etc.) you have to be mature enough to be able to clear your mind, bounce back, and start swinging again... and again... and again.

    These gurus I listen to and subscribe to are like fuel to me... these guys keep me alive, motivated, clear headed, inspired, resilient, and tenacious! You need to find a handful of people who will support you all throughout your journey ... which is a lifetime
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  • Profile picture of the author Gas Dumfarht
    Depends what you feed your mind with.

    Sometimes you are EATEN by what you are FED.

    So choose your motivation wisely.
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  • Profile picture of the author Walter Parrish
    The thing most people don't realize is that in life on this plane we are always in a battle with ourselves. That being the case we must always take Action. There is a reason why this forum is called Warrior, because Warriors understand that we are at war and our Baddest Enemy is ourselves. Below is a note I put on facebook not to long ago that may help. It's from one of Anthony Robbins Videos

    Change Your Mind To Change Your Reality


    1 Feed And Strengthen The Mind

    Stand Guard At The Door Of Your Mind. Create Long Term Routines and Being Accountable, Reading, Audio Tapes, Books, Mantras, Incantations - Saying To Yourself over and over again until your mind begins to believe it. We are What We Eat, We are What we Read, We Are What We Listen To, We Are What We Do. Tap Into Your Real Ability To Thrive In Any Environment - Basically The Hero or Warrior In You

    2 Feed And Strengthen Your Body.

    Sometimes Old Thoughts Keep Coming Back So, what Is Going To Change That Mind Faster Than Anything Else Is A Radical Change In Your Body. A Radical Shift In Your Physiology. Push Physically To Over Come Fear. To Get Rid Of Fear We Feed The Mind And Strengthen The Body.

    3 Get A Role Model or Role Models That Inspire You

    4 Get A Proven Plan or A Plan And Take MASSIVE ACTION
    Get A Good Goal Achievement System Going

    5 Feed And Strengthen Your Spirit
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by Walter Parrish View Post

      The thing most people don't realize is that in life on this plane we are always in a battle with ourselves. That being the case we must always take Action. There is a reason why this forum is called Warrior, because Warriors understand that we are at war and our Baddest Enemy is ourselves. Below is a note I put on facebook not to long ago that may help. It's from one of Anthony Robbins Videos

      Change Your Mind To Change Your Reality


      1 Feed And Strengthen The Mind

      Stand Guard At The Door Of Your Mind. Create Long Term Routines and Being Accountable, Reading, Audio Tapes, Books, Mantras, Incantations - Saying To Yourself over and over again until your mind begins to believe it. We are What We Eat, We are What we Read, We Are What We Listen To, We Are What We Do. Tap Into Your Real Ability To Thrive In Any Environment - Basically The Hero or Warrior In You

      2 Feed And Strengthen Your Body.

      Sometimes Old Thoughts Keep Coming Back So, what Is Going To Change That Mind Faster Than Anything Else Is A Radical Change In Your Body. A Radical Shift In Your Physiology. Push Physically To Over Come Fear. To Get Rid Of Fear We Feed The Mind And Strengthen The Body.

      3 Get A Role Model or Role Models That Inspire You

      4 Get A Proven Plan or A Plan And Take MASSIVE ACTION
      Get A Good Goal Achievement System Going

      5 Feed And Strengthen Your Spirit
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      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_eYb3hLb_k
      #4. Get a good goal achievement system going.

      At the end of the day, this is all you need because one can find success without the need for motivational gimmicks, like most of Tony Robbins stuff, which means we've come full circle in the thread since he was first mentioned.

      Apparently his power is so gigantic, he has an army of defenders when anyone renders anything other than brown nosing praise in his direction. What did people do before Tony Robbins? Mostly failed.

      Which is what most people are doing now, and the OP was to shed some light on the TIME wasted by millions of people who buy into the external premises of "follow the guru" down the rabbit hole.

      If Tony or other gurus are part and parcel of your goal achievement system, all well and good, but hardly necessary.

      I stand by my OP.

      GordonJ
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      • Profile picture of the author Walter Parrish
        well, all the guru's as you call them mention goals being the number one thing and that will work fine if you are a doer. however, if you are not a do and didn't grow up with a gold or silver spoon I still think 5 come into play, heck even if you are a doer and got your goals setup and in action I really can't see how you would be very successful without them.

        as far as guru's are concerned I would say use whatever drives you. I liked Robbins because he sums things up in a nice way. he even through in NLP in his book if I remember right this was back before people were into that sort of thing.

        so, robbins is someone I would recommend people read.
        Unlimited Power - Anthony Robbins
        Maximum Achievement - Brian Tracy
        Born To Win - Zig Ziglar
        See You At The Top - Zig Ziglar
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  • Profile picture of the author George Schwab
    Re: Why motivational things don't work.

    motivational "things" do work, if they come in the right
    combination at the right time. And in real life, not as an
    abstract theory in your mind.

    Personally I encountered a "double whopper" at a time
    in person, a combination of experiencing the "best place"
    together with the "best woman ever" - and even after
    leaving both by necessity for a longer time - I was
    SO motivated to come back to both. And here I am.
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  • Profile picture of the author st0nec0ld
    Motivation comes with dedication, it actually works well together.
    It is how you are willing to work things out, and how you enjoy doing these things.
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  • Profile picture of the author The Little Weasel
    Mind programming works. I was "there" before I knew it. Like me, you will go far.

    Very far.
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  • Profile picture of the author louiem
    It's good to be motivated, but without discipline, it's useless.

    You could be motivated 100% but if you don't wake up early in the morning and work hard on your dreams, then you won't be successful.
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  • Profile picture of the author madaboutmarketing
    I can't agree they don't work. They do, but they last much shorter than the motivation driven from the inside. Take Brian Tracy, if anything he says or writes will force you to change your life for better, than it's a good thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author SWIG
    One of the probable reason is "free will" which most of the adult can take up by throwing the cash
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  • Profile picture of the author velvetcake
    A motive is a REASON to move.
    yes. a similar quote:

    if you have a big enough 'why' then you will figure out the 'how.'
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  • Profile picture of the author hubertkoh
    That is because motivation is like a supplement, you need to take it long time and constantly needs to be replenished.

    At some point, you have to do the motivation yourself, by finding the switch to grind on every single day of your life.
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  • Profile picture of the author Master Blake
    They work.

    These things work.

    I can feel them float inside my brain.
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  • Profile picture of the author Corey Pluto
    I completely agree, if you can't settle on a source of power it could feel demotivating.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kaupo Tomson
    Different things work for different people. What works for one person, might not for you.

    When someone says that motivational things help them and put them in a state of mind where they feel more powerful and more likely to take action to change their life, it's not ours to say whether they are right or wrong.

    People are different. Always have been. Motivational things work on some and won't work on others. That's why we have all those different people spreading all kinds of positive messages around the world. Someone is listening and getting value from them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Time Transporter
    Sometimes, it's hard to wake up from the trance.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew Fox
    They work, just like negative thinking does so is the positive part of the equation.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5WZ_N5-bcs
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Bill
    Gordon, A fish is not a tree and no amount of arguing with the fish (or anyone else) that it's not a tree will make it into a tree. It's not a fish's job to be a tree.

    Motivation isn't suppose to KEEP you going. It's supposed to GET you going. Your reason "why" will keep you going.

    Stop blaming the fish for not being a tree.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by Mr Bill View Post

      Gordon, A fish is not a tree and no amount of arguing with the fish (or anyone else) that it's not a tree will make it into a tree. It's not a fish's job to be a tree.

      Motivation isn't suppose to KEEP you going. It's supposed to GET you going. Your reason "why" will keep you going.

      Stop blaming the fish for not being a tree.
      Isn't a REASON WHY motivation enough to start? It seems backwards.

      Cause, if you have a reason to begin;
      a need,
      want,
      fire in the gut,
      burning desire as the motivational gurus might say,
      then that is all you need to both start and sustain yourself.
      It ends with the beginning.

      GordonJ
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      • Profile picture of the author Ron Lafuddy
        Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

        Isn't a REASON WHY motivation enough to start? It seems backwards.

        Cause, if you have a reason to begin;
        a need,
        want,
        fire in the gut,
        burning desire as the motivational gurus might say,
        then that is all you need to both start and sustain yourself.
        It ends with the beginning.

        GordonJ
        Of course.

        The reason why is then followed by action.

        Action must be taken first, before the motivation to keep going begins.

        The cycle is the same when closing a sale.

        It's all about having a big enough REASON WHY.

        Ron
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Bill
    Not backwards at all. Lots of people have a why. Doesn't mean they're going to get off their fat lazy arses to do anything about it. Or maybe they don't think they can. The right motivation will get them started. Then it's up to their why (and hopefully regular motivation) to keep them going.

    Motivation obviously works. Anyone who says it doesn't isn't thinking straight.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Bill
    Wrong. Like I said; most people have a why. They don't do anything about it because they lack motivation.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ron Lafuddy
      Originally Posted by Mr Bill View Post

      Wrong. Like I said; most people have a why. They don't do anything about it because they lack motivation.
      Let's try it again from a different perspective.

      The reason most people do no do anything, is that their WHY is not BIG ENOUGH.

      Example: You accidentally set yourself on fire and it's quickly spreading.

      Can you imagine a big enough WHY to begin trying to put the fire out?

      Perhaps, self preservation.

      So, you TAKE ACTION and rapidly begin doing whatever you can to smother and extinguish the flames.

      The MOTIVATION TO KEEP GOING after the initial action is started, insures that you get the fire completely out, to keep from burning alive.

      Everything supports the initial WHY.

      Ron
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Bill
    Being physically on fire isn't really the same thing is it? People generally don't need motivation to stop their flesh from burning.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by Mr Bill View Post

      Being physically on fire isn't really the same thing is it? People generally don't need motivation to stop their flesh from burning.
      to see one straight thinking guy on this forum. Thanx.

      GordonJ (zig-zag thinker)
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    • Profile picture of the author socialentry
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      Originally Posted by Mr Bill View Post

      Being physically on fire isn't really the same thing is it? People generally don't need motivation to stop their flesh from burning.
      But what if the guy is suicidal?
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  • Profile picture of the author AL Hummel
    You can never go wrong with self loving thoughts.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joyce Birmingham
    My take on it is that we indeed need motivation every day, just like deodorant...
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  • Profile picture of the author jw22777
    Couldn't agree with you more bud. Thank you for sharing this post!
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  • Profile picture of the author Tahreem Saeed
    If your work doesnt inspire you, you owe it to yourself to search for work that does. And searching for quotes to keep your spirits up is like filling a bottomless pit with a few grains of sand. Happiness comes only from within.
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