Why motivational things don't work.

by GordonJ 103 replies
External motivation is like deodorant on a marathon runner on a 90 degree day...it doesn't last long.

And we see that here, year after year after year.

Take Tony Robbins, the most successful motivational coach ever. Think on this:

30 years of motivational works, an estimated take home of 30 million bux a year translates to a LOT OF PEOPLE being motivated.

Some of these have spent tens of thousands of dollars to feel the heat of a Tony pep rally. They come back from the island all fired up (if not downright burned).

Then 6 months later, they need more, they have fallen back into their old habits.

And after 30 years, these people have become motivated failures. Failures by their own accounts because they have not achieved those Giant dreams which had been awakened.

In 10th grade Latin class I learned motive came from a latin word meaning to MOVE.

Motivational appeals move you mentally for a short period of time, but because most don't understand how and why the brain works, the movement (mentally toward positive belief) is short term and temporary.

A motive is a REASON to move.

It is the stimulus which causes a response of ACTION, or a response of movement.

All the positive thinking, the visualization, the manifestation practices in the world won't work unless there is a foundation. And too many have a foundation of sand on someone's beach, and when the tides come in, it washes everything away.

A foundation built on solid ground, on understanding the how and why, serves you better than the quick little shots of instant energy drinks that motivational stuff provides.

IF you find yourself in constant need of these little shots of motivation, you would be wise to take a look at your foundation...the WHY you are doing what you are doing...and the WHAT

the outcome will be when the motion is either concluded or at a point of rest which allows a look back to all the action, and then you can correct your action and adjust your MOVEMENT to get where you want to go.

So, how much deodorant do you need today?

GordonJ
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark_Austin
    Spot on Gordon.

    That's not to say positive thinking isn’t a good thing, the problem is, well…you need to think about it too much!

    Understanding the true process and nature of thought is far more important than the thoughts you are having themselves.

    There is far too much focus in the motivational world in getting people into a peak state,,,and we all know what comes after a peak!
  • Profile picture of the author virtualglobalphone
    GordonJ, You have addressed the dilemma of "motivation" / "personality development" beautifully.

    One of the probable reason is "free will" which most of the adult can take up by throwing the cash.

    Today we all adults are lost in path and direction ... , so these motivational feels like a thing you can purchase and keep it in the pocket.

    But in reality its not... each of these words needs "action" of many years....

    So these 'motivational' words can be addressed right from kinder garden. So by the time kid grown into adult these words are part of the life.
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    • Profile picture of the author grumpyjacksa
      Originally Posted by virtualglobalphone View Post

      But in reality its not... each of these words needs "action" of many years....

      So these 'motivational' words can be addressed right from kinder garden. So by the time kid grown into adult these words are part of the life.
      Now THAT is a great idea. If we can maintain the enthusiasm and curiosity of children as they grow up, we will be helping them to develop into phenomenal people.

      Just my 0.02c
  • Profile picture of the author Dprsunlimited
    I think their are 2 main problems that most people have
    1. Is they go try to get "motivation" for something that may make them $$$ but they don't truly like or even worse something that they hate and that quickly makes them lose "steam"

    And

    2. Most people lack specifics in their goals... your goals need to be spicific and measurable or you will quickly lose Steven just because your subconscious mind does not know what you truly want.

    For example if i tell you there is a box with $1,000,000 in it and if you find it you can have it. You may try but if that is all the information I give you, very quickly you will give up
    However; if I told you there was a box with $1,000,000 in it at locker 27 in DIA on the east wing and if you get there you can have it. Ypu would get there very quickly... unfortunately most people don't have specific enough goals to make them measurable and achievable so they lose "motivation"

    Just my thoughts
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    no deoderant and i work as a buscker on the las vegas strip..so it will be 105 degrees when i start working today ..

    deodorant caused me to break out in nasty rashes .. 7 quick showers a day helps avoid bo.

    anyway tony robin is much more than a motivation guy ..and manytimes taking part in those event allows you to meet other people ..

    you can turn the work you do into another boring job and squueze every second of productivity out of a day..or you can focus on doing the work in a way that motvates you
  • Profile picture of the author NestZone
    Positive thinking is a simple process, but when we follow most of this talks on motivation, we become drown in our own thoughts.

    SIMPLE. Have you ever though of the sequence of occurrence of things in your life?
    Those things that you actually occupy your mind with are the things that really happen.
    You start living your life mentally before it manifest physically.

    Control your thoughts, you control your life.
  • Profile picture of the author Happerz
    The problem is positive thinking requires education, and many of these people motivate us, and make us feel excited about all these promises, without proper education.

    They could stand there for four hours and tell you all about how you can fix a car if you just put your mind to it you all you have to do is get in there and try your hardest and you can do it it's all in your mind.

    But until I said down and actually teach us the intellectual information, no matter how excited we are, were going to go out with mostly the same actions and behaviors we went in with, and wondering why were not seeing a difference in our results.

    If we want to succeed, it requires two things:

    1. The emotional confidence and motivation to believe in ourselves enough to motivate ourselves to take action.

    2. The roadmap to know exactly what steps to take which will lead to the results we want.

    I know this because I face the same problem for many years.

    We already intuitively know we have the power inside us to succeed, what were wondering is why what we know to be true deep down inside ourselves already isn't working.
  • Profile picture of the author dre1507
    Spot on, dude. I realized this just a while ago, and since then, I've stopped reading/watching motivational material. It has to come from within if you're just getting started. As a newbie in whatever your endeavor may be, what moves you has to come from your own reasoning. It's dangerous to take on and try to move forward with the thoughts/feelings/desires of someone else, because the minute you realize that what's been moving you isn't really what moves you, you're going to lose the will to continue. Now you're caught in a situation where you need to quickly find YOUR motive, because the longer you take to do so, the less likely you will continue to progress...IF you had even made any.

    External motivation only works for those who don't need much to get going again (keyword: again) i.e. those who've tasted of consistent success before, but have fallen into a bit of a slump. They don't need to be motivated every few months, because that one shot of motivation will not become their reason for moving. It will only serve as a reminder as to why they got moving in the first place. And so they'll be able to move for a long time again on their own.
    • Profile picture of the author Happerz
      If breakdown the word emotion in relation to Einstein's E=MC2 (energy equals mass times acceleration), and remove the E from emotion, we end up with the word motion.

      E stands for energy, emotions are the energy in motion that drives us to take the actions we take, or don't take, based on the emotion that gets created, either way there is energy propelling us in a certain direction.

      External motivation works if we already have the education and know how to do a were trying to do, and we just need the mental belief in ourselves to get there.

      Then the worst part is we fail because we don't realize that we were taught properly, and it takes us months or even years to work up the motivation to try again, when the reality is we just needed to be taught correctly.

      We need to know how to direct our energy, if we don't were setting ourselves up for failure before we even get started.
  • Profile picture of the author theoperator
    I tend to disagree.

    I know what your sying though. I myself went to a tony robbins rally only because I wnated to see what he looked like in person. But I left half way through because they started doing some weird things.

    However....

    One tiny spark of motivation can ignite a MASSIVE FIRE in a persons mind. Can change their whole mind, and whole world. And you never know what that spark might be or where it might come from.

    And I could list a thousand examples of this. But I don't have the time. Look up helen kellers mentor, and her background. Or any number of people. They got inspired by someone at some point, and the rest is truely history.

    And ya most fail. Most listen to that stuff and go right back to their habbits. But really most people aren't geared to soar to great hights. And that's perfectly okay. It takes all types for the world to go around. We wouldn't even be talking right now if everyone was some kind of hard charging A type personality. The world would be over long ago, as theired be too many sharks and not enough tuna.

    But motivation and inspiration is like sparks. Most die. Most don't do nothing. But all it takes is one spark to cause a fire right.
    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by theoperator View Post

      I tend to disagree.

      I know what your sying though. I myself went to a tony robbins rally only because I wnated to see what he looked like in person. But I left half way through because they started doing some weird things.

      However....

      One tiny spark of motivation can ignite a MASSIVE FIRE in a persons mind. Can change their whole mind, and whole world. And you never know what that spark might be or where it might come from.

      And I could list a thousand examples of this. But I don't have the time. Look up helen kellers mentor, and her background. Or any number of people. They got inspired by someone at some point, and the rest is truely history.

      And ya most fail. Most listen to that stuff and go right back to their habbits. But really most people aren't geared to soar to great hights. And that's perfectly okay. It takes all types for the world to go around. We wouldn't even be talking right now if everyone was some kind of hard charging A type personality. The world would be over long ago, as theired be too many sharks and not enough tuna.

      But motivation and inspiration is like sparks. Most die. Most don't do nothing. But all it takes is one spark to cause a fire right.
      Yes, you are right. Please consider the difference between inspiration and motivation.

      Motivation, as I presented it, is about movement, or daily activity in the direction of a goal.

      Inspiration, for my discussion, is a connecting of synaptic activity, movement in the brain.

      Having spoken to scores of inventors as part of my job at a big marketing company, I found out three things about inventors in general (ones trying to sell their invention).

      1) They fall in love with their idea and think "EVERYONE will want one"
      2) They want their million bux now, in spite of what the market tells them
      3) Their inspiration comes at any time, place and there appears to be no rhyme or reason.

      Sure, one could get inspired at a Tony Robbins rally, or even Amway (inspired to get out?)
      or while in the shower, taking a walk, reading, watching TV.

      In most instances, INSPIRATION is a precursor to Motivation, and in brain chemistry, that is a way that ideas take place, a collision of chemicals, so to speak.

      We all get inspired, and everyone here has had or will have a MILLION dollar idea.
      And we may get excited.
      Excitation is a neural response to stimuli.

      Excitation happens when we read the WSO section and think, "this guy has it figured out"...and spend our 7 bux only to find out, "NO he ain't".

      Tony Robbins is skilled and trained in exciting crowds.You left halfway through because THEY started doing weird things, but not weird for the masses. Next time stay and get a great lesson on mass control and mass hypnosis.

      I don't want to be splitting hairs nor parsing definitions, but, please consider that inspiration and motivation are. perhaps the double edges of a sword, and probably we don't have one with out the other.

      My studies and research have taken place after the cool down, after the high, when the crowd has gone home, pumped up, inspired and motivated...

      what takes place in the net few months, what happens which prevents them from applying all the knowledge they gained from Tony (et al) and repeat the cycle.

      How do we keep stimulating our brains to continuously tap into the inspiration which provided the original motivator, and how is the most efficient way to do that?

      But, I do agree with you, one spark can start a fire, but it quickly becomes cold embers anyone can walk over, the trick is to "feed the fire" with activity which takes one to their goal automatically.

      GordonJ
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  • Profile picture of the author Princess Balestra
    Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

    External motivation is like deodorant on a marathon runner on a 90 degree day...it doesn't last long.

    And we see that here, year after year after year.

    Take Tony Robbins, the most successful motivational coach ever. Think on this:

    30 years of motivational works, an estimated take home of 30 million bux a year translates to a LOT OF PEOPLE being motivated.

    Some of these have spent tens of thousands of dollars to feel the heat of a Tony pep rally. They come back from the island all fired up (if not downright burned).

    Then 6 months later, they need more, they have fallen back into their old habits.

    And after 30 years, these people have become motivated failures. Failures by their own accounts because they have not achieved those Giant dreams which had been awakened.

    In 10th grade Latin class I learned motive came from a latin word meaning to MOVE.

    Motivational appeals move you mentally for a short period of time, but because most don't understand how and why the brain works, the movement (mentally toward positive belief) is short term and temporary.

    A motive is a REASON to move.

    It is the stimulus which causes a response of ACTION, or a response of movement.

    All the positive thinking, the visualization, the manifestation practices in the world won't work unless there is a foundation. And too many have a foundation of sand on someone's beach, and when the tides come in, it washes everything away.

    A foundation built on solid ground, on understanding the how and why, serves you better than the quick little shots of instant energy drinks that motivational stuff provides.

    IF you find yourself in constant need of these little shots of motivation, you would be wise to take a look at your foundation...the WHY you are doing what you are doing...and the WHAT

    the outcome will be when the motion is either concluded or at a point of rest which allows a look back to all the action, and then you can correct your action and adjust your MOVEMENT to get where you want to go.

    So, how much deodorant do you need today?

    GordonJ
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