Why You Need Positive Thinking

14 years ago

Well, no matter which way you want to look at it...positive thinking is the only thing that drives me..so I'll stick with that!

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WritingMadwoman

14 years ago

Excellent post, and I could not agree more.

Positive thinking has done wonders for me over the years. If nothing else, it just helps you to feel happier - isn't that what most people are seeking? Happiness? Unfortunately many people think they have to have certain "things" to feel happy, when just improving their quality of thought would help a LOT!

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markfoo76

14 years ago

Originally Posted by ripperdav

Well, no matter which way you want to look at it...positive thinking is the only thing that drives me..so I'll stick with that!

That's great, ripperdav! If nothing, positive thinking will drive you to move forward.

Cheers~

Originally Posted by WritingMadwoman

Excellent post, and I could not agree more.

Positive thinking has done wonders for me over the years. If nothing else, it just helps you to feel happier - isn't that what most people are seeking? Happiness? Unfortunately many people think they have to have certain "things" to feel happy, when just improving their quality of thought would help a LOT!

Wendy

I agree, Wendy. It's just not possible to feel happy when all you think about is how bad things are going to turn out. Thanks for sharing!

Cheers~

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nehaluck11 14 years ago

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Positive thinking has done wonders for me over the years. If nothing else, it just helps you to feel happier - isn't that what most people are seeking? Happiness? Unfortunately many people think they have to have certain "things" to feel happy, when just improving their quality of thought would help a LOT!.
Well said Wendy, I am sailing the same boat with you. Positive thinking works as a panacea when you are embarrassed or feeling down. I would recommend every warrior to 'THINK POSITIVE AND BE OPTIMIST'
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Bart Loos

14 years ago

Originally Posted by markfoo76

I can't remember where I saw it. But the following comment was what I came across while reading some blogs or forum online:

Positive thinking doesn't pay the mortgage.
Positive thinking doesn't pay the bills and put food on your table.

Well... obviously the person who left the comment doesn't believe in Positive Thinking (at least, that's what it seems to me).

I think people who don't believe in Positive Thinking have totally missed the point. But who can blame them? They have probably been misled into thinking that it is enough to turn their lives around simply by having positive thoughts (hint: The Secret).

I agree that the message being conveyed in the movie 'The Secret' can be very misleading. The general message the movie is trying to tell us is: If you want to attract what you want in life, you have to constantly think about what it is that you want, and you will start seeing them appearing in your life. So, it seems all you need to do to dramatically change your life is simply to think about it!

Although it sounds incredible, one needs to understand that your success in life does indeed begin with the way you think. Let me explain why.

You see... success must first be created in the mind before it can be manifested in physical reality. Successful people are successful because they think and see the world very differently.

Where most people see problems, those with a positive mindset see money-making opportunities. Unless you have the positive mindset, you will never be able to see the limitless money-making opportunities around you.

Without a positive mindset, you will not have the focus, drive and determination to take the massive action necessary to implement the ideas and strategies.

Take Donald Trump for example. In the early nineties, Trump lost his entire fortune when he ended up with a massive US$935 million personal debt during the property market crash. Down, but not out, Trump pulled himself out of the pits to triumphantly make a fortune of US$3.7 billion, all within ten years!

Why didn't such a crushing failure crush him completely? It's because Trump may have lost all his physical wealth, but his true wealth did not lie in what he has stashed in his bank account; it lay in his mind.

It was his way of thinking and his financial intelligence that was worth billions, and that is what continues to make him a genius in negotiating the best deals.

In other words, even though the odds may be stacked against you, keeping a positive mindset can give you the mental push and energy you need to stick to your plan and build your life the way you intended.

If you develop a negative "I can't" attitude, it can pervade nearly every situation you're in. It can affect your business plans, career track, or even personal family or social situations.

And if you're still not convinced, why not look at it this way:

Positive thinking doesn't pay the mortgage. Neither does negative thinking.
Positive thinking doesn't pay the bills and put food on your table. Neither does negative thinking.

So if you're going to think at all, why not think positively?

Cheers~

Well I've a slightly different view. Both negative and positive thinking are not doing you a favor. A balanced viewpoint will give you much more then a highly positive feel good vp.

I've written about the dangours of Positive Thinking here before in this thread

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Bart

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markfoo76

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Bart Loos

Well I've a slightly different view. Both negative and positive thinking are not doing you a favor. A balanced viewpoint will give you much more then a highly positive feel good vp.

I've written about the dangours of Positive Thinking here before in this thread

Have fun

Bart

Hi Bart,

After reading your thread, I have the impression that there's been a mixed up between 'self-denial' and 'positive thinking'. For example, you mentioned:

"And I guess everyone does fall for this trap, an example can be as simple that you clean up the room, stiff all the mess in one closet, with the result that the mess is still there and probably will there for quiet some time, but that you feel good that the room is cleaned up.

Or avoid working on a certain project because there might be fear of failure getting in your way and you'll assure yourself that you'll get that project done after you've done these other 2 projects first.. and then when it's time to work on the project you're avoiding, you'll find an excuse to work on something else first...

These are mere examples of how people can keep themselves stuck while thinking positively and getting in a feel good rush."

I have to say what you mentioned in your thread is NOT positive thinking. This is simply the same as saying,"OK, at least I've done something. So everything's good." This is merely an excuse a person uses to justify his own laziness or fear.

Positive thinking is, when you're born with no legs and no arms, you're still able to live strongly and believe that you're brought into this world to do something great; to inspire other people to believe that nothing is impossible. And most importantly, even with no legs and no arms, you're still able to live a happy and fulfilling life. That's what positive thinking is all about. Watch video below:

Nick Vujicic

And you can also read a positive thinking story at my blog:

2 Choices to Determine Whether You Enjoy Your Life Or You Hate It

After you watch the video and read the story, I hope you'll have a better understanding of what's positive thinking.

Cheers~

Mark

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Bart Loos

14 years ago

Originally Posted by markfoo76

Hi Bart,

After reading your thread, I have the impression that there's been a mixed up between 'self-denial' and 'positive thinking'. For example, you mentioned:

"And I guess everyone does fall for this trap, an example can be as simple that you clean up the room, stiff all the mess in one closet, with the result that the mess is still there and probably will there for quiet some time, but that you feel good that the room is cleaned up.

Or avoid working on a certain project because there might be fear of failure getting in your way and you'll assure yourself that you'll get that project done after you've done these other 2 projects first.. and then when it's time to work on the project you're avoiding, you'll find an excuse to work on something else first...

These are mere examples of how people can keep themselves stuck while thinking positively and getting in a feel good rush."

I have to say what you mentioned in your thread is NOT positive thinking. This is simply the same as saying,"OK, at least I've done something. So everything's good." This is merely an excuse a person uses to justify his own laziness or fear.

Positive thinking is, when you're born with no legs and no arms, you're still able to live strongly and believe that you're brought into this world to do something great; to inspire other people to believe that nothing is impossible. And most importantly, even with no legs and no arms, you're still able to live a happy and fulfilling life. That's what positive thinking is all about. Watch video below:

Nick Vujicic

And you can also read a positive thinking story at my blog:

2 Choices to Determine Whether You Enjoy Your Life Or You Hate It

After you watch the video and read the story, I hope you'll have a better understanding of what's positive thinking.

Cheers~

Mark

Mark this is exactly the point, for many people "Positive Thinking" is very often a form of self denial, without them realising it is. And there's a a neurological process that goes with it.

"Think positive " is the advice given to people who let limiting emotions and beliefs get in their way.

SO I only offer an other option for people.

Balance your limiting emotions, and beliefs. So you can start seeing the world fromout a more clear filter.

You gave the example of Nick Vujicic, which is great. Though 99% of the people are born with arms and legs, people have to realise that they are at cause of their life. And that they can have a choice. And this is a realisation that is something complete different then Positive Thinking.

Positive thinking is for those who have limiting self belief(s), that they want to get over. It's a way to overpower negative thinking. Which might work for a while, until this limiting belief creeps up again.

This is also exactly why affirmations will not work for most. Because the positive statement is in conflict with what they belief on a subconscious level about themselves.

Deal with the real cause instead of trying to use a patch.

Sound harsh? Maybe.. but think about it.

If you are confident and believe your worthwile, you don't need Possitive Thinking, actually you will likely never be falling into Negative Thinking either.

You won't have to say "oh I'm going to choose to be in a great mood today" when you wake up.

Deal with your unconscious limiting beliefs that stops you, instead of trying to overpower them.

As a personal coach I often help people get over these unconscious blocks and limiting beliefs.

If you need more clarification, feel free to ask.

Have fun

Cheers

Bart

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markfoo76

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Bart Loos

Mark this is exactly the point, for many people "Positive Thinking" is very often a form of self denial, without them realising it is. And there's a a neurological process that goes with it.

As mentioned in my last reply, there's been a mixed up between self-denial and positive thinking, so positive thinking is essentially DIFFERENT FROM self-denial. It doesn't matter if people have mistaken self-denial as a form of positive thinking or not, ultimately, positive thinking and self-denial are still NOT the same.

For example, An apple is an apple. It doesn't matter if I have mistaken it to be an orange. Ultimately, the apple is still an apple.

"Think positive " is the advice given to people who let limiting emotions and beliefs get in their way.

SO I only offer an other option for people.

Balance your limiting emotions, and beliefs. So you can start seeing the world fromout a more clear filter.

You gave the example of Nick Vujicic, which is great. Though 99% of the people are born with arms and legs, people have to realise that they are at cause of their life. And that they can have a choice. And this is a realisation that is something complete different then Positive Thinking.

Positive thinking is for those who have limiting self belief(s), that they want to get over. It's a way to overpower negative thinking. Which might work for a while, until this limiting belief creeps up again.

This is also exactly why affirmations will not work for most. Because the positive statement is in conflict with what they belief on a subconscious level about themselves.

Deal with the real cause instead of trying to use a patch.

Sound harsh? Maybe.. but think about it.

If you are confident and believe your worthwile, you don't need Possitive Thinking, actually you will likely never be falling into Negative Thinking either.

As human beings, we're constantly thinking, unless we're sleeping or meditating (maybe even then we're still thinking). And when we're thinking, our thoughts are either positive, neutral, or negative. If one doesn't need positive thinking, does that mean one needs neutral or negative thinking? I don't think so.

I don't mean we have to naively assume everything is going to turn out well because things don't always turn out the way we want it in real life. Of course we have to be prepared for the worst. But if the worst happens, then we have to face it with a positive attitude, and that's when we need positive thinking.

And nobody will never fall into negative thinking ever. No matter how confident or positive a person is, self-doubt will come creeping into the person. It's only a matter of how often that happens and how quickly the person is able to overcome the negative thinking every time it happens. So ultimately, even the most confident person will need positive thinking.

Cheers~

Mark

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Bart Loos

14 years ago

Originally Posted by markfoo76

As mentioned in my last reply, there's been a mixed up between self-denial and positive thinking, so positive thinking is essentially DIFFERENT FROM self-denial. It doesn't matter if people have mistaken self-denial as a form of positive thinking or not, ultimately, positive thinking and self-denial are still NOT the same.

Absolutely it matters. Especially when you're giving advice.

Think positive think positive screams the rest of the world. So you start ignoring those negative ideas, suppress your negative self talk, overpower your negative emotions... and you start to feel better, which is great ...

...then one tiny little thing happens and you're back in the rut, because the foundation is very very weak.

or even worse.. you keep suppressing your negative emotions ... until one day you snap.

It happens all the time.

Learn to deal with your negative emotions and change your unconscious limiting beliefs.

Your thinking patterns are a SYMPTOM. They are the outcome of what you believe about yourself, often on a subconscious level. And often they are not the only symptom of those beliefs. It might be shyness, fear of failing, insecurity, negativity, ...

Build a better foundation.

Build a better you.

This will help people in the long run.

Have fun

Bart

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markfoo76

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Bart Loos

Absolutely it matters. Especially when you're giving advice.

I think you've got me wrong. When I say it doesn't matter, what I'm saying is, positive thinking is positive thinking, self-denial is self-denial. Just the same as an apple is an apple, and an orange is an orange. It doesn't matter if you have mixed them up, or if you're confused between them. THEY ARE STILL WHAT THEY ARE. The only thing that matters when giving advice is to help people differentiate between them.

Think positive think positive screams the rest of the world. So you start ignoring those negative ideas, suppress your negative self talk, overpower your negative emotions... and you start to feel better, which is great ...

...then one tiny little thing happens and you're back in the rut, because the foundation is very very weak.

or even worse.. you keep suppressing your negative emotions ... until one day you snap.

It happens all the time.

Learn to deal with your negative emotions and change your unconscious limiting beliefs.

Yes, you need to deal with your own negative emotions. You need to acknowledge it and seek to understand how it comes about. But you just can't hang on to them. Negative thinking will get you thinking, "What if I fail?" Positive thinking will get you thinking, "What if I succeed?" It's a matter of how you look at things; which angle are you looking from. So which one do you think is more helpful?

It may be true that when one tiny little thing happens and you'll be back in the rut. But you have to understand that positive thinking is not the only requirement in life to succeed. It is merely one of the many 'ingredients' of success. But it happens that positive thinking is one of the first few 'ingredients' you need to add to the mix.

If one little thing can crumble a person, it shows that the person lacks persistence, or courage. It's not because positive thinking is weak. All these 'ingredients' add up to how successful you can be. Just by being positive alone is not going to cut it for sure. But with positive thinking being one of the mix, you can't ignore or discount the value of it.

Cheers~

Mark

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Bart Loos

14 years ago

Originally Posted by markfoo76

Yes, you need to deal with your own negative emotions. You need to acknowledge it and seek to understand how it comes about. But you just can't hang on to them. Negative thinking will get you thinking, "What if I fail?" Positive thinking will get you thinking, "What if I succeed?" It's a matter of how you look at things; which angle are you looking from. So which one do you think is more helpful?

Hey,

I see it slightly different. I neither care about positive thinking or negative thinking. They are part of the same coin imo: an expression of you.

You gotta ask yourself... who needs 'positive thinking' in the first place???

It's not for those who are balanced and confident, are at cause and getting things done.

It are those who are not so balanced and confident in their own qualities or abilities that need 'positive thinking' into trying to deal with insecurities, doubts, fear of failures, limiting beliefs ...

Here's my belief about this. For those who are balanced and confident, 'positive thinking' is an expression of what they believe on a fundamental level. It's in sync with what they believe about themselves on a subconscious level. So when they get a moment that doubt or failure creeps in they will easily and automatically swing back to what they believe.

For those having limiting beliefs where 'negative thinking' is also just an expression about their beliefs. 'positive thinking' will only be a temporary patch. It's takes one little push to swing them back to 'negative' thinking because it's in conflict and not in sync with their unconscious.

And it will take repeated effort to keep them going.. over and over again

Anyway you get the point I guess.

I've a neat little trick that might help people here.

The moment you use positive thinking... slow down and notice if there are feelings showing up which might disapprove your positive thinking.

If not this is great.

If there are you should deal with these emotions and not ignore them. There are multiple change tools out there that you can use here, ie: EFT, 3dMind, NLP techniques, hypnosis, ... whateva you like.

An example might be something like the following:

Say your outcome in positive thinking is: "I will succeed and get my result by the end of the year", you stop, and next you feel a slight tense feeling showing up.

So I want you to pay attention to your own emotions and notice if there's a conflict between what you think on a conscious level and and an unconscious level.

ask yourself this .. what would be possible for you if your thoughts and positive thinking are in sync with what you really believe to be true...

How much will be possible for you now?

Have fun

Bart

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markfoo76

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Bart Loos

You gotta ask yourself... who needs 'positive thinking' in the first place???

Erm... I think everybody needs positive thinking. Because everybody is bound to face challenges in life and it is in time of challenges that you need to see there's hope. Positive thinking will help you to see hope.

It's not for those who are balanced and confident, are at cause and getting things done.

It are those who are not so balanced and confident in their own qualities or abilities that need 'positive thinking' into trying to deal with insecurities, doubts, fear of failures, limiting beliefs ...

Here's my belief about this. For those who are balanced and confident, 'positive thinking' is an expression of what they believe on a fundamental level. It's in sync with what they believe about themselves on a subconscious level. So when they get a moment that doubt or failure creeps in they will easily and automatically swing back to what they believe.

Well, I think it's a chicken and egg thing. Saying positive thinking is an expression of what you believe on a fundamental level implies that positive thinking comes after self-belief. I think otherwise. Without a positive attitude or thinking, how would one have confidence in the first place?

I'm not saying you'll automatically gain confidence just by having positive thoughts alone. There're other elements involved for sure. But I just can't see the possibility of being confident without positive thinking in the mix in the first place, which is why I think positive thinking comes before self-belief.

Cheers~

Mark

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Bart Loos

14 years ago

Originally Posted by markfoo76

Erm... I think everybody needs positive thinking. Because everybody is bound to face challenges in life and it is in time of challenges that you need to see there's hope. Positive thinking will help you to see hope.

Well, I think it's a chicken and egg thing. Saying positive thinking is an expression of what you believe on a fundamental level implies that positive thinking comes after self-belief. I think otherwise. Without a positive attitude or thinking, how would one have confidence in the first place?

Ever seen a little 6 month year old not having confidence? They don't have to think 'positive' to be confident. They are confident in learning, in what they want, in their curiosity... By the time they learn to walk they have fallen over a zillion times, and just get up every time again as confident. They don't feel they are not capable. They do not get in their own way of what they want.

They don't think negatively AND they don't think positively.

This is the point people don't get.. confident people don't think negatively and they don't have to keep thinking positively to overpower their negative feelings either, . they filter the world much different then you do.

They go along with the flow and act upon it.

They know that the sun won't always shine,they realize that there will always be moments when there are clouds but they also know and feel in their core being that they are capable of handling whateva comes on their way.

They don't think about it they just act.

You got to realize that people come in this world with natural confidence.

Clear your emotions and beliefs and your natural confidence will arise again..so you do not have to overpower your fear when talking to someone else...

You know this is basically all about balance. Yin Yang, balance in your energy field, the balance between different parts of the brain, especially the neocortex and your reptilian brain.

Have fun

Cheers

Bart

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frankgotgame818

14 years ago

What Bart says,

"They don't think negatively AND they don't think positively.

This is the point people don't get.. confident people don't think negatively and they don't have to keep thinking positively to overpower their negative feelings either, . they filter the world much different then you do.

They go along with the flow and act upon it.

They know that the sun won't always shine,they realize that there will always be moments when there are clouds but they also know and feel in their core being that they are capable of handling whateva comes on their way.

They don't think about it they just act."

Makes me remember a very important book for me when I was struggling badly.

It's called 'Deep Survival, Who Lives, Who Dies, and Why' by Laurence Gonzales.
It contains stories about people in seemingly impossible situations. The stories tell what they thought about, what they did and the mental approach they took to keep going when all appeared to be lost.

It is not about positive thinking but the focus these people put on doing what needed to done at the time it needed to be done. The attention they put on the result they wanted made a huge difference for most of the people in difficult situations.

I can not recommend this book highly enough.

Frank C.

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markfoo76

14 years ago

Originally Posted by frankgotgame818

What Bart says,

"They don't think negatively AND they don't think positively.

This is the point people don't get.. confident people don't think negatively and they don't have to keep thinking positively to overpower their negative feelings either, . they filter the world much different then you do.

They go along with the flow and act upon it.

They know that the sun won't always shine,they realize that there will always be moments when there are clouds but they also know and feel in their core being that they are capable of handling whateva comes on their way.

They don't think about it they just act."

Makes me remember a very important book for me when I was struggling badly.

It's called 'Deep Survival, Who Lives, Who Dies, and Why' by Laurence Gonzales.
It contains stories about people in seemingly impossible situations. The stories tell what they thought about, what they did and the mental approach they took to keep going when all appeared to be lost.

It is not about positive thinking but the focus these people put on doing what needed to done at the time it needed to be done. The attention they put on the result they wanted made a huge difference for most of the people in difficult situations.

I can not recommend this book highly enough.

Frank C.

Hi Frank,

I've not read the book so perhaps I can't comment on the stories in the book. But my own experience is, I've been in difficult situations (not life and death situations though) and I had to make a decision whether to give up or to do what's necessary to go on. In a situation like this, a negative person would think, "What's the point? It's not going to help anyway." And he would give up. A positive person would think, "This is the only way out. If I don't do it, I'm damned. But if I do it, I will have at least 1% chance that I will make it. Screw it! I'll do it!" So he focuses on the 1% of chance and do what he needs to do. And I'm the latter.

Positive thinking is not about "Oh, everything's going to be fine". In fact, that could be a form of self-denial. Positive thinking is about keeping your focus on the 1% chance of success, no matter how small it may seem, instead of the 99% chance that things are not going to work out. The people in the stories may not have thought, "Oh, don't worry, it's going to be OK." But I'm sure they must have thought, "If I do it, there's at least 1% chance of success. I'll do it!" And that, my friend, is positive thinking.

Cheers~

Mark

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markfoo76

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Bart Loos

Ever seen a little 6 month year old not having confidence? They don't have to think 'positive' to be confident. They are confident in learning, in what they want, in their curiosity... By the time they learn to walk they have fallen over a zillion times, and just get up every time again as confident. They don't feel they are not capable. They do not get in their own way of what they want.

They don't think negatively AND they don't think positively.

I don't think 6-month old kids are naturally confident. I don't think they're able to do what they do because they're confident. They're able to do what they do because they do not know or understand failure. All they know is to keep moving forward to get what they want. You do not need confidence if you do not know or understand failure. The reason we adults need confidence is because we know and understand what failure is and that most of us are afraid of failure. And because we need confidence, we need positive thinking.

They know that the sun won't always shine,they realize that there will always be moments when there are clouds but they also know and feel in their core being that they are capable of handling whateva comes on their way.

Yes, confident people believe they are capable of handling whatever comes their way. That's because they think positively of themselves! Would a negative person have the same belief and be as confident? No, because they think negatively of themselves. Whether you're confident or not, it depends on how you see or think of yourself.

Cheers~

Mark

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Bart Loos

14 years ago

Originally Posted by markfoo76

I don't think 6-month old kids are naturally confident. I don't think they're able to do what they do because they're confident. They're able to do what they do because they do not know or understand failure.

Exactly Mark, that IS confidence.

Not having any limiting emotions getting in your way.

It's your natural state of being.

It's not something artificial. It's not a pumped up state, that you'll need to overcome and overpower negative feelings.

This what you're not getting. You don't NEED confidence, you already HAVE IT.

Never seen the difference between someone who's trying to look confident, and someone who is confident?

Originally Posted by markfoo76

All they know is to keep moving forward to get what they want. You do not need confidence if you do not know or understand failure.

Interesting don't ya think.

Here you say.. If you don't have fear in the way.. you don't need confidence..

Which is exactly what I've been telling you all along. Deal with your emotions.. so you do not have to patch them up with an artificial feeling of confidence or positive thinking.

Btw confidence is something you don't just think up. It's an expression of yourself and your core essence.

Originally Posted by markfoo76

The reason we adults need confidence is because we know and understand what failure is and that most of us are afraid of failure. And because we need confidence, we need positive thinking.

Here I'm going to give you an example: .. my gf and I are going to be on a training next week, and on the first evening there's going to be a fire walk..
I find this amazingly interesting... and I'm looking forward to it.. but not for the obvious reasons. Not to create a great state change, but to have the experience of 'fire walking'

This is what is going to happen... We'll get in a pumped up confident feeling like we can handle the world. Because we are going to accomplish or do something that on a certain level doesn't make sense to you. and it will feel great for sure. Gives you an adrenaline rush.

How long do you think that state is going to last btw? One hour, one week, a fortnight, 6 months, the rest of your life?

The same goes up with trying to use artificial confidence or positive thinking, they will get you out of your normal range of emotional states that you flow through, which you're not used to experience, which will just flop you back to your daily state you're used to experience.

Ever wondered why seminar goers. get amazing things done in the seminar and the days after that .. but a few months down the road have lost all these magical 'seminar skills' they had.

This is because the foundation is weak.

Build a better foundation people.

Originally Posted by markfoo76

Yes, confident people believe they are capable of handling whatever comes their way. That's because they think positively of themselves!

Here you're mixing a few things. Thinking positively about yourself ..or thinking positively about a certain outcome while you feel negative about yourself, feel failure, feel doubt, ... is a complete different animal.

Originally Posted by markfoo76

Would a negative person have the same belief and be as confident? No, because they think negatively of themselves.

Ok let me ask you one question... what is a person like that thinks negatively about themselves and now takes the advice and starts to ad positive thinking to the mix...

big incongruency imo

Originally Posted by markfoo76

"Whether you're confident or not, it depends on how you see or think of yourself."

Exactly that's what I've been telling you all along.

Euh??? .

How you see yourself is what you believe about yourself.

and is something completely different then positive or negative thinking about a certain context, or what might be possible, or what you could be doing, what choice to make, or keep focusing on that 1% chance ...

Cheers mate

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markfoo76

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Bart Loos

Exactly Mark, that IS confidence.

Not having any limiting emotions getting in your way.

It's your natural state of being.

It's not something artificial. It's not a pumped up state, that you'll need to overcome and overpower negative feelings.

This what you're not getting. You don't NEED confidence, you already HAVE IT.

Never seen the difference between someone who's trying to look confident, and someone who is confident?

Interesting don't ya think.

Here you say.. If you don't have fear in the way.. you don't need confidence..

Which is exactly what I've been telling you all along. Deal with your emotions.. so you do not have to patch them up with an artificial feeling of confidence or positive thinking.

Btw confidence is something you don't just think up. It's an expression of yourself and your core essence.

Here I'm going to give you an example: .. my gf and I are going to be on a training next week, and on the first evening there's going to be a fire walk..
I find this amazingly interesting... and I'm looking forward to it.. but not for the obvious reasons. Not to create a great state change, but to have the experience of 'fire walking'

This is what is going to happen... We'll get in a pumped up confident feeling like we can handle the world. Because we are going to accomplish or do something that on a certain level doesn't make sense to you. and it will feel great for sure. Gives you an adrenaline rush.

How long do you think that state is going to last btw? One hour, one week, a fortnight, 6 months, the rest of your life?

The same goes up with trying to use artificial confidence or positive thinking, they will get you out of your normal range of emotional states that you flow through, which you're not used to experience, which will just flop you back to your daily state you're used to experience.

Ever wondered why seminar goers. get amazing things done in the seminar and the days after that .. but a few months down the road have lost all these magical 'seminar skills' they had.

This is because the foundation is weak.

Build a better foundation people.

Here you're mixing a few things. Thinking positively about yourself ..or thinking positively about a certain outcome while you feel negative about yourself, feel failure, feel doubt, ... is a complete different animal.

Ok let me ask you one question... what is a person like that thinks negatively about themselves and now takes the advice and starts to ad positive thinking to the mix...

big incongruency imo

Exactly that's what I've been telling you all along.

Euh??? .

How you see yourself is what you believe about yourself.

and is something completely different then positive or negative thinking about a certain context, or what might be possible, or what you could be doing, what choice to make, or keep focusing on that 1% chance ...

Cheers mate

Have fun

Bart

In your opinion, is there a difference between a positive attitude and positive thinking? If no, are you also saying we do not need a positive attitude in life? If yes, please tell me the difference.

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Bart Loos

14 years ago

Originally Posted by markfoo76

In your opinion, is there a difference between a positive attitude and positive thinking? If no, are you also saying we do not need a positive attitude in life? If yes, please tell me the difference.

Cheers~

Mark

Hey Mark,

The difference between attitude and thinking is that attitude is much more a complete expression of where you stand for in your life, it's a combination of many things you experience on a regular basis, emotions, feelings, thinking, beliefs, your health, things you do, things you don't do, the context and how you hold yourself, ...

When you talk about "positive" thinking, attitude, viewpoint, ... you need a reference point. You do not know what 'positive' is when you do not compare that to something else you already "labeled" as the opposite/different (ie: negative thinking)

So the presupposition behind "think positive".. is that you are thinking negative in the current state.

As I said before .. positive or negative thinking are both sides off the same coin.

This is the reason that why people believe that "don't think positive" equals "think negative".

Which you'll have surely noticed reading this thread.

It's not an either or question, I'm giving you another choice.

You know, when feeling negative or doubt that you're going to make it, or whateva...is a recurring theme, then you need to look at what causes that.

I do NOT say that you gotta start looking at what might have happened somewhere in your past that screwed you up. That's for psychotherapy.. which nowadays we know ain't the way to help people improve.
I say look at the emotions and beliefs you have NOW that trigger your negative thinking, and deal with those.

Then lets address your other question: Do I believe that you need a positive attitude in life.

I would suggest as before to look beyond the label "positive". imo it's limiting.

It all depends on the context. If I would have a positive attitude towards someone who's been ripping me off, I might get ripped off time and time again. It limits my response.

Sometimes having a negative attitude or neutral attitude is going to give you more, or a playful attitude, or a serious attitude, or a humorous attitude, or a sexy attitude, or a subordanate attitude, or a stuborn attitude, or a fun attitude, or an angry attitude, or a frustrated attitude, or a relaxed attitude, ...

All depends on the context and the outcome that you want.

Get beyond the duality of positive/negative and you'll see that there are much more posibilties you can utilise.

Possibilities in life are endless and don't have to be dumbed down to just negative vs positive.

Does that answer your question?

Have fun

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TajwarAlexander

14 years ago

Positive thinking has lifted my life--logically speaking, it makes the most sense to me.

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automated_atty

14 years ago

Very good point! I'm a believer of positive thinking. It motivates me to do things essential in achieving my goals. Negative thinking on the other hand can make someone miserable...

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Will Edwards

14 years ago

Completely agree with the OP - you never heard of the Power of Negative Thinking & that's, of course, because it doesn't have any!

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steve-wilkins

14 years ago

Negative thinking is like a cancer and can take you over in more ways than one! Positive thinking is what has kept me going and kept me so deteminded with my online adventures so god bless it!

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Loren Woirhaye

14 years ago

Positive thinking I've found can be an asset and it is energizing to
feel good.

At the same time, sometimes when a person gets too positive they
get overconfident and delusional about what is realistic to achieve
with their effort and what is not realistic.

Ever wrote ten articles from a totally positive-thinking viewpoint
and then been disappointed in the traffic you got?

Well, that's because your positivism wasn't realistic because
you expected a bigger result than your effort merited.

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josspam

14 years ago

Nowadays I find sort of hard to think in a possitive matter... I don't why times tend to get really hard and I get down on it.

Good words thought... make days more bareable!

Sunshine comes after the storm!

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MemberWing

14 years ago

Positive thinking doesn't pay the mortgage.
Positive thinking doesn't pay the bills and put food on your table.

It's like saying "concrete in the foundation of my house doesn't make my bed warm". It doesn't immediately - but it sets a base for it to happen for years to come.

I'd suggest: positive thinking + positive feeling. Thoughts are blueprint - map. Feeling/emotions - is your vibration - fuel - that puts you in sync with what you are attracting in the given moment.

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anu_smart 14 years ago

Positive thinking gives you an air of hope always surrounding you..

I always beleive in positive thinking and i m a self-motivator too!

Negative thinking pulls a man down and makes him lose his confidence as time goes on..

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MemberWing

14 years ago

Here's my belief about this....
...what they believe on a ...
...what they believe ...
...back to what they believe...
...For those having limiting beliefs where .....

So it all boils down to beliefs!
Then - what is [limiting] belief?
Belief is a repeated thought associated with feelings.
Back to positive thinking then: to change limiting belief - change habitual thoughts and feelings. And these 2 could be done independently of each other.

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Bart Loos

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MemberWing

So it all boils down to beliefs!
Then - what is [limiting] belief?
Belief is a repeated thought associated with feelings.
Back to positive thinking then: to change limiting belief - change habitual thoughts and feelings. And these 2 could be done independently of each other.

Gleb

Hey Gleb,

A belief doesn't have to be a repeated thought. It often can be something that you never think about, but is just running in the background having.

I agree that the keystones that hold a belief together are associated feelings, that form a filter where you see the world through.

Since every (belief) filter is limiting on a level that it prevents us from perceiving the world without distortion, if it's negative or positive.

For this purpose I would say that 'limiting' means that it stands between you and what you want (ie: i'm not good enough to do X)

Have fun

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drwhogoesthere

14 years ago

Originally Posted by markfoo76

Positive thinking doesn't pay the mortgage.
Positive thinking doesn't pay the bills and put food on your table.

I have to agree with this comment. Positive thinking alone will do nothing for you.

People that just have postive thinking are the people who do not see the world in its true form. They walk through the day thinking that everything will be OK.

You need to have a postive attitude and a can do attitude. One that will address the problems that arise, and one that will take action when needed.

I think being happy and determined is more important than just being positive.

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MemberWing 14 years ago

You need to have a postive attitude and a can do attitude...

Define: attitude
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markfoo76 14 years ago

Originally Posted by drwhogoesthere

I have to agree with this comment. Positive thinking alone will do nothing for you.

I think I'd have to change the second sentence a little bit.

Positive thinking alone will not do everything for you. But you're gonna be needing it to help you get through life's challenges.

People that just have postive thinking are the people who do not see the world in its true form. They walk through the day thinking that everything will be OK.

That's not true at all. I'm a positive person but I'm not so naive as to think that everything in life is going to turn out all rosy. It is precisely the fact that not everything will turn out as you expected which is the reason why you need positive thinking! When things turn out really bad, negative people will be crushed. But for positive people, they'll think, "Hey, this is not the end of the world!" Just see Nick Vujicic in the video I posted above.

I think being happy and determined is more important than just being positive.

True. But positive people are generally more happy.

Cheers~

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Sandycmy

14 years ago

I wanna be just Happy --- Negative thinking can never give that ! So I stick to +

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Albus25

14 years ago

Cause If I can't change this problem, but at least I can change myself

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DavidYoung

14 years ago

positive thinking will give me energy to do my work. Negative thinking can't get you anything though.

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Chrissy Allen

14 years ago

Hey

I really dont understand why the importance of this issue isnt NAILED HOME at school.

This is very powerful for anything you want to achieve and i really dont know a more important ingredient for any topic/subject.

Positive thinking is the only way to do anything and the guy who said it doesnt pay the mortgage is missing a huge ingredient which will maybe change his life when he finally discovers the truth.

Nice post

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Loren Woirhaye

14 years ago

I look at Dan Kennedy as an example of positive thinking
integrated with realistic assessment of the marketplace.

The guy teaches positive thinking... and he's a real GRUMP!

He puts it something like "successful marketers are big-picture
optimists and small-picture pessimists"

Meaning, most of the things you try and test won't work out,
but try enough ideas and refine your approach with an eye
on your big goals and you'll likely get there if you are persistent
enough.

I guess that's another way of saying "laugh at failure" - because
when you are selling stuff you always get a lot of no's.

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14 years ago

I believe in think positive. by my experience i think a person can grow up with positive thinking. if we think positive then will happen positive with us.

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samthor

14 years ago

postive thinking is ok to a point.... the problem lies when it becomes too extreme.
Extreme pessimism is bad for us. It does us no good to all ways see the bad in every situation. But on the other end extreme optimism is just as dangerous. It leads to ignoring warning signs and problems.
Always and only looking for the flowers and never seeing the snake..... might result in a poisonous bite.
Yes you are responsible for your own thoughts. You create your own life. But it must be balanced. And if should deal in reality.
Our western culture keeps promoting this "positive thinking' as a way to blind us to the snakes out there. Just keep looking at the flowers, don't mind the snakes.

This is how the tragedy in Sedona happened. James Ray one of the guys behind The Secret charged ppl thousands of dollars to attend a "Spiritual Warrior Retreat".
The power of positive thinking helped these attendees "see beyond" the high price tag , and "look past" the haphazardly and poorly constructed sweat lodge.... Cause well we wouldn't want any negative thoughts in our heads. Even as people passed out, vomited and slipped into comas the attendees were encouraged to "stay positive and stay focused" instead of using their common sense to save their own lives.

When the ambulances and police finally arrived on the scene, how did the Guru James Ray handle the reality of the scene? He ran and hid. He refused to cooperate with the police. He never visited anyone of his paying customers in the hospital or speak to them directly. A vague apology was posted on the website and a spokeswoman for the retreat offered the explanation that 3 people died in the sweat lodge because those people decided to leave their bodies and vibrate to a higher plane.
Very positive.

Not to rain on your parade or anything. But a balance is necessary.
First, you must see things as they ARE.

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MissTerraK

14 years ago

Because birds of a feather flock together! If you are negative, just as a magnet, you will repell all postives!

Attitude determines altitude, or how high=successful you become!
Negativity limits your success to pretty much ground level=failure

Positivity is not an emotion, it's a way of life! A choice you have the power to make!

Not everybody's life is peachy keen, many have had a lot of horrendous things happen to them, they chose to use those experiences to determine whether they would become bitter=negative,...

Or they chose those circumstances to determine whether they would become better=positive

Notice the only difference in those words is I, leaving the choice up to everyone, themselves, to choose negativity or positively!

Reasons enough?

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Bart Loos

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

Because birds of a feather flock together! If you are negative, just as a magnet, you will repell all postives!

Attitude determines altitude, or how high=successful you become!
Negativity limits your success to pretty much ground level=failure

Positivity is not an emotion, it's a way of life! A choice you have the power to make!

Not everybody's life is peachy keen, many have had a lot of horrendous things happen to them, they chose to use those experiences to determine whether they would become bitter=negative,...

Or they chose those circumstances to determine whether they would become better=positive

Notice the only difference in those words is I, leaving the choice up to everyone, themselves, to choose negativity or positively!

Reasons enough?

MissTerraK

MissTerrak,

Why want you to get stuck in an either or case?

life is much more then just + vs -

Why do people want to put it in just 2 boxes?

Is that the way to grab it? to control it, to understand it?

Life is a flow through context by context.. and your choice to hold yourself is endless and does not limit to just + or -

Have fun

Cheers

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MissTerraK

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Bart Loos

MissTerrak,

Why want you to get stuck in an either or case?

life is much more then just + vs -

Why do people want to put it in just 2 boxes?

Is that the way to grab it? to control it, to understand it?

Life is a flow through context by context.. and your choice to hold yourself is endless and does not limit to just + or -

Have fun

Cheers

Bart

Because mediocrity is worse than both, it's like sitting on the fence, sitting in limbo!

Everything thing has an opposite: up, down, in, out, right, left, knowledgable, ignorance, I could go on and on! But if a person wants mediocrity=poor quality, they have the right to choose that as well!

Good luck to you!

MissTerraK

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markfoo76

14 years ago

Originally Posted by samthor

postive thinking is ok to a point.... the problem lies when it becomes too extreme.
Extreme pessimism is bad for us. It does us no good to all ways see the bad in every situation. But on the other end extreme optimism is just as dangerous. It leads to ignoring warning signs and problems.
Always and only looking for the flowers and never seeing the snake..... might result in a poisonous bite.
Yes you are responsible for your own thoughts. You create your own life. But it must be balanced. And if should deal in reality.
Our western culture keeps promoting this "positive thinking' as a way to blind us to the snakes out there. Just keep looking at the flowers, don't mind the snakes.

This is how the tragedy in Sedona happened. James Ray one of the guys behind The Secret charged ppl thousands of dollars to attend a "Spiritual Warrior Retreat".
The power of positive thinking helped these attendees "see beyond" the high price tag , and "look past" the haphazardly and poorly constructed sweat lodge.... Cause well we wouldn't want any negative thoughts in our heads. Even as people passed out, vomited and slipped into comas the attendees were encouraged to "stay positive and stay focused" instead of using their common sense to save their own lives.

When the ambulances and police finally arrived on the scene, how did the Guru James Ray handle the reality of the scene? He ran and hid. He refused to cooperate with the police. He never visited anyone of his paying customers in the hospital or speak to them directly. A vague apology was posted on the website and a spokeswoman for the retreat offered the explanation that 3 people died in the sweat lodge because those people decided to leave their bodies and vibrate to a higher plane.
Very positive.

Not to rain on your parade or anything. But a balance is necessary.
First, you must see things as they ARE.

Whatever principle or theory there is, there's always a right way and a wrong way to apply it. Take medicine for instance. Medicine is meant to cure your sickness. But if you take an overdose, it may cost you your life. Not only do people need to understand positive thinking and why it works, they also need to understand how to apply it correctly, and not just follow the principle blindly. This applies to all principles and theories.

Cheers~

Mark

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samuel_sawyer

14 years ago

"Take Donald Trump for example. In the early nineties, Trump lost his entire fortune when he ended up with a massive US$935 million personal debt during the property market crash. Down, but not out, Trump pulled himself out of the pits to triumphantly make a fortune of US$3.7 billion, all within ten years!"

If you look at everything he wrote, he does not vouch so much for the positive thinking. He works 12 hours each day even in the days he doesn't work.

This does not mean that you need to work hard to achieve success. But taking action is way more important than the positive thinking.

Try to think "I can't" thoughts and still take action and you will see that you will make more things happen than just by being positive.

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markfoo76

14 years ago

Originally Posted by samuel_sawyer

"Take Donald Trump for example. In the early nineties, Trump lost his entire fortune when he ended up with a massive US$935 million personal debt during the property market crash. Down, but not out, Trump pulled himself out of the pits to triumphantly make a fortune of US$3.7 billion, all within ten years!"

If you look at everything he wrote, he does not vouch so much for the positive thinking. He works 12 hours each day even in the days he doesn't work.

This does not mean that you need to work hard to achieve success. But taking action is way more important than the positive thinking.

Try to think "I can't" thoughts and still take action and you will see that you will make more things happen than just by being positive.

There's no one principle that's the cure for all. Each principle is just part of the 'success mix'. When I say you need positive thinking, I do not mean that's the only 'ingredient' you need to succeed. Taking action is also part of the mix. If you'd like to know what are the rest of the 'ingredients', check out my free eBook The 77 Traits of Highly Successful People.

Cheers~

Mark

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RMcIntyre 14 years ago

I actually just posted an article on my blog dealing with this very subject. You can read it here if you're interested:

Minds Without Limits Blog

Success is composed of many elements, but without positive thinking as a starting point, you are more likely to attract things that you don't want as opposed to the things that you do.

Donald Trump is a hard worker, but you can be assured he is also a positive thinker who believes in himself to the fullest extent. Without these ingredients, he would never have been able to achieve the success he has.

Cheers,

Ron
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thadbong

14 years ago

I believe in positive thinking. Recently wrote a blog post about it, don't want to rehash everything here. You can find it below.

The 6 Secrets Of Happy People #1 - Positiveness | Thad Bong's Journal

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SamanthaHall

14 years ago

I agree that positive thinking is must and should to become successful in the life. I feel that i should improve more positive attitude in some things.

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Liane Fitzpatrick 14 years ago

What is really the key to manifesting is visualization. If you want positive things you visualize positive things and you will attract positive things by feeling positive. Not everyone requires a positive attitude to get what they want. If you say Dan Kennedy is a grump (I wouldn't know as I haven't met him) and yet he so successful doesn't have anything to do with him feeling positive or being positive. He visualizes his success. Visualization does not require positive thinking or even moral behaviour. Many miserable, unethical people become very wealthy and successful because they expect the results. They have visualized themselves as wealthy and successful.

For me, positivity is much preferred over misery, but for anyone to use the law of attraction to create a desired outcome you must visualize yourself experiencing the desired result.

The law of attraction, or manifesting your destiny, requires you to imagine/visualizing yourself in the desired state. If a grumpy person visualizes themselves in a wealthy financial state then they will become a grumpy person in a wealthy financial state.

The same result will occur for a positive person.

Positive feelings + visualization = a positive person manifesting their goal.

Go forth and visualize! If you can't, send me an email. I have been teaching people to manifest through visualization for years! My personal email is Sagelifecoaching@telus.net. Please do not use this email for sending me your products, this is only for if you are interested in learning how to manifest!

Maybe I should offer a WSO for Warriors to learn to manifest through visualization!
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Nick Pena 14 years ago

I firmly believe that Positive thinking is a mental attitude. One that connects into the mind thoughts, words and images that are conductive to growth, expansion and success.

A positive mind anticipates happiness, joy, health and a successful outcome of every situation and action. Whatever the mind expects, it finds.

I empower everyone to change the mental attitude and think positive today!
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warriorofsuccess

14 years ago

In Total Agreement! And I'm Positive About That!

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tinywebdesigner 14 years ago

Trust it, positive thinking makes a lot of thing success!
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RJ.Moff

14 years ago

Because you attract objects through the law of attraction. A positive thought is 100s of times more powerful than a negative thought.

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priyatham 14 years ago

Originally Posted by RJ.Moff

Because you attract objects through the law of attraction. A positive thought is 100s of times more powerful than a negative thought.

Very true!
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Bart Loos 14 years ago

Originally Posted by RJ.Moff

Because you attract objects through the law of attraction. A positive thought is 100s of times more powerful than a negative thought.

How specifically?

Are you saying that 1-5 days of "positive thinking" a year is enough to balance out 360 days of "negative thinking"?

Or 1 positive thought about having or attracting your favorite car is enough to overpower 80 thoughts of not deserving/or being able to attract that car

Is that what you are sayin?

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Vas^Co

14 years ago

I think positive thingking is a foundation to get sucsess

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John Cabral

14 years ago

I am working on an audio called Millionaire Mindset which will be an audio with brainwave entrainment with affirmation script.

Brainwave entrainment can be a very powerful tool. I have used it when studying for tests and for relaxing.

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countkenshin

14 years ago

positive thinking is a good thing, even if you fail just look at the bright side you've learned something right? its always a good thing that you learn so that for the second time it happen again you know how to deal with it again

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DPSikes

14 years ago

I was told long ago that your attitude determines your altitude. So yes, being positive certainly help with success.

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f4ll3rs

14 years ago

Agree! Thank you so much for sharing this

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14 years ago

It's all in how you present
the definition of positive
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You'll get different actions
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14 years ago

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