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Unread 28th December 2009, 05:48 PM   #1
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Are you happy? What does that mean? Does that mean you'll never be unhappy? Does that mean you are happy at the moment?

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Is happiness something we constantly seek? Can we ever get there? If we get there will we always be there?

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Happiness is a mood in my opinion. It is something we all search for constantly. It is a never ending battle to gain happiness, and there is no way in hell it is permanent. The more you work on it, the more you get it.

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We don't seek hapiness, else, it will elude us. happiness comes only to those that do this that delight them.

That means happiness come to those that always do what they love and stay with almost forever.

Get motivated by what you do and be happy!!

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Happiness is a choice. Contentment is a choice. But often we allow circumstances to make our choice. Right now I'm happy because I'm thankful for the little I have.

Now how many of you met people that have "eveything" and are not happy? You will never find happiness on the outside, It must from within.

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Default Re: Is happiness a temporary or permanent state?

There are so many avenues that we could be happy or unhappy in, so it is quite possible to be both at the same time but in different areas of our lives.

I try to personally always have atleast one branch in my life where I am happy, so that I can always retreat there when life gets a little tough and see if I can extend it over into other parts.

We are multi-faceted people with multifaceted lives, so I believe that you can always be happy with something if you just search a little.

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Happiness is everyone's ultimate aim. It can be fleeting but internal peace and fullfillment can be lasting and permanent. I don't think we can attain the ultimate state of happiness in mortality.

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Maybe you can not always be happy. But you can always have a calm presence of mind.

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Are you happy? What does that mean? Does that mean you'll never be unhappy? Does that mean you are happy at the moment?




Is happiness something we constantly seek? Can we ever get there? If we get there will we always be there?
Perhaps when one has found peace, one will find happiness.

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Happiness comes with satisfaction in life.If we are not satisfied we feel unhappy,I.e.,desires are things that make people feel happy or unhappy.

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Default Re: Is happiness a temporary or permanent state?

Happiness is always temporary. You can't find it, you can't make it, you can only enjoy it when it happens to you.

You may be content or satisfied but that's not the same thing. People chase happiness as if it's a right - but sometimes if you just keep going along in life, it comes to you when you least expect it.

But that's just my own experience....


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Happiness comes and goes as soon as your thought changes.

Therefore, in order to stay happy all the time, control and guide your thoughts to think positive thoughts.
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Happiness can be a permanent state as long as you condition the mind to think in a certain way. Things will happen that are out of your control, and trust me, many of them will not be things you would have hoped for. The #1 key to staying happy is understanding that when an obstacle is thrown your way, you need to step back and determine a few different things. Is there ANYTHING I can do to fix this? If so, WHAT will I do? If you can determine solutions, and then pick a solution, your mind will be at ease, and you can continue to be happy while you are working through the problem. If there is NOTHING you can do about the obstacle, then you need to accept that, and accept whatever consequence the obstacle brings, and move on, doing your best to prevent obstacles of a similar nature in the future.

People who are not happy just do not know how to handle obstacles in their life. Once they determine exactly HOW they will handle obstacles, they will find happiness.
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For me, hapiness can be a temporary state and it can also be a permanent state. The choice is yours because you are in control of your own mind.
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All babies are born happy....until we condition them not to be.
Is that why they cry until we comfort them?

I think happiness is a state of mind, and that is relative.

Fulfillment on the other hand is something you can build your life around.

When we feel like we're constantly growing then we feel happy most of the time and fulfilled.
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Unread 29th December 2009, 11:43 AM   #15
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Default Re: Is happiness a temporary or permanent state?

Happiness tends to be a choice made on a moment to moment
basis. You need to live in the now to be truly happy, because
past happiness is a memory, and future happiness won't
make you happy where it counts, in the present.

There are many conditions some of us may face that make
ongoing happiness difficult - but if you're healthy and able-
bodied you can pretty much choose to be happy if you
want.

That being said, we are biological machines - and I've made
a study of this - if you eat foods and engage in habits which
acidify your blood, happiness is significantly harder to
maintain in an ongoing way.

Happiness is a habit - but so are the dietary and behavioral
habits that support the happiness habit.

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Unread 31st December 2009, 09:23 PM   #16
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I think happiness is temporary. It is not everlasting such as things like peace, joy, and love.

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I believe that happiness is a state of satisfaction upon finding that one's life is balanced and harmonious, with everything we need and desire. Since circumstances are always changing, and people always have the capacity to change and grow, happiness is elusive. What used to be balanced and harmonious needs to be updated. Therefore we lose the old happiness of the past, and gain the motivation to make changes that will bring us new happiness in the future.
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Speaking from personal experience, happiness is very very temporary.
Maybe I could also say that "not being happy" is the default state and therefore we have to keep on
reading positive stuff, trying to do things and always keep trying to get there by some means or the other.

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I believe happiness is about satisfaction and achieving what's you've set out as part of your target. Certain people might not be happy even though the target has been breached while others will be filled with joy even though the target is partially met. It's the level of expectation that we are talking about here and be contended with what you've gained.

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Maybe you can not always be happy. But you can always have a calm presence of mind.
I totally agree with that

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I don't know about happiness, I think that's fleeting. And it depends on the object of your happiness.

When that changes, maybe your happiness does to. I think your happiness is tied to the presence of whatever it is that makes you happy - and it's condition affects the condition of your happiness.

Joy?

That (to me) is more intrinsic. That isn't tied to "outside" so much as "inside". It's embarrassing, but I can't remember the name of the incredible man that lived through Auschwitz and wrote about his experiences in his book.

He wrote something to the effect that he made his choice to be happy - happy to still be alive and that kind of thing. It's embarrassing to mangle something so profound like that from someone so meaningful.

But despite the details, it did stick with me. Victor F. or something like that? Maybe someone here knows.
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I can't remember the name of the incredible man that lived through Auschwitz and wrote about his experiences in his book.
You're on the right track, Nathan. It was Viktor Frankl with his book, Man's Search for Meaning. He discussed three sources of meaning we could create in our lives: to do work that matters; to have love for someone or something that matters; if we can't work or love, to exercise "the last human freedom" - our choice of attitude - in the face of inescapable suffering. Very powerful ideas.
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I think it's a state of mind at a particular moment. It's not something that can be maintained forever. I do think that you have the ability to control it though to a certain extent though. There is always someone who has it alot worse than you do.

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Happiness is very temporary for most.

Ultimately, happiness is a choice!


Sometimes, we just need a reminder to be positive in a bad sitution and realize that things could be worse. Be happy with who we are and what we do have ...rather than what we think we are lacking.

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There's something that really stands out to me as I read through the whole thread.

Everyone has their own unique definition of what "happiness" means!

Therefore:
  • there is no such thing as an objective truth about happiness... all we can do is each try to define and live it for ourselves... and we cause a lot of pointless pain when we try to tell each other how to be happy by our definition inside someone else's life...
  • OR... there is an objective truth to happiness in human nature, and most of us have got it wrong (since we each have our own definition)... probably causing a lot of pointless pain because of this misunderstanding
That's not a very happy thought, is it?
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Happiness may be a temporary state, but we can always choose to achieve that state of strive to always feel happy and content. It depends on what our outlook on life is. It's a choice.

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happiness is a byproduct of certain actions. its temporary cause everything is in a state of change. you have to change with it.

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Happiness is a temporary state. It is no longer permanent!

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Happiness comes and goes. Everyone is different to some degree, but you could be estatic one monent and sad the next.

Sometimes its hard to get that happy feeling back quickly.

I think happiness is the most important thing for yourself. Why wouldn't it be?

What good is wisdom, health and wealth without it?

We have to remember to treat others well also.

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There is no straight forward explanation what is happiness and unhappiness. There are moments that will cherish you forever and there feel little sense of happiness. According to me happiness is very short live whereas unhappiness always surrounds us. May be because we think happiness is going to be temporary while reasons of being unhappy are many. Say you need to pay your credit card bills and you need to meet deadline and many more as such. Well frankly speaking happiness comes in bits and pieces.
I was in the office and all of sudden some issue took place. After long time I was able to crack the problem and that was the moment that has given me ultimate satisfaction and happiness. There are external factor that influences our happiness. If we are not surrounded by material need then we would have less suffered with unhappiness.
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2. Fulfilling my family needs
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Happiness is based on circumstances while joy is based on truth, something that never changes.
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Happiness is just an emotion.

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"Recognize beauty and ugliness is born. Recognize good and evil is born."

Are you happy? Sometimes, yes.

What does that mean? How would you know you were happy unless you'd once been unhappy? The meaning of happiness only makes sense at all in relation to what is not happy.

Does that mean you are happy at the moment? Yeah I guess so. I feel pretty alright at the moment. I'm not sick, I have no major pressing issues that are holding me down and it seems like it's going to be another beautiful day.

Though happiness is a slippery beast and once we recognize it there is the ever present possibility that by recognizing it we'll try to grasp at it by asking questions like "Am I really happy?" Which of course puts it off and then we're caught in the mess of trying to go left to get rid of right (left here is of course happiness where right is unhappiness). And so the more we chase it the more elusive it becomes.

Is happiness something we constantly seek? To the extent that you can do something poorly, yes. Because it's obvious when we look around at a culture that is largely obsessed with the pursuit of happiness, the pursuit of happiness is a very effective way to keep happiness just beyond arm's reach.

Can we ever get there? No. But happiness can happen. Like all things spontaneous though, you can't force it.

If we get there, will we always be there? Surely not! Happiness implies unhappiness. Just like unhappiness implies happiness. If you find yourself on either pole... watch out, the other is on its way. (Really though there's nothing to watch out for because there's nothing to be done about it.)

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Nothing is permanent, everything is temporary. The only constant is change.

The more you focus on attaining happiness, the less likely you'll get it. Happiness is not an end but the result of doing or being something you enjoy doing/being.

If you keep an eye out for happiness, it will not come. Let it sneak in.

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I think we just make ourself not happy some people think that money is the key to happiness but many of these millionaires are not happy people at all. Where if you end up travelling to a poor country people barely surviving are happy what they are doing smiling etc. Where here people are all after one thing money and if they don't have it they are not happy. My 2 Cents
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Happiness is a state of being you go through. As humans, we go through a lot and that's normal.

It isn't good or bad, it just is.
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I believe that life is a never-ending pursuit of happiness. We are constantly pursuing happiness. That's what life is all about.

"If I can convince this girl to be my girlfriend, I'll be happy."

"If I can get this promotion, I'll be happy."

"If I can make $5,000 in sales this month, I'll be happy."

The truth is, none of these things TRULY make us 100% happy. Once we achieve a goal, we're on the lookout for another goal.

I believe there are moments in our lives where we can feel totally satisfied, but those moments are generally short-lived. They flitter away before we have a chance to realize they're gone.

I really wouldn't have it any other way. In my mind, life is pointless unless you have something to strive for.

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Nothing is permanent, everything is temporary. The only constant is change.

The more you focus on attaining happiness, the less likely you'll get it. Happiness is not an end but the result of doing or being something you enjoy doing/being.

If you keep an eye out for happiness, it will not come. Let it sneak in.

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It is an emotion. Emotions come and go just like the weather. Just like the earth, it is not sustainable to be one way all the time.

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Happiness and emotions go altogether. If a person is very emotional, he will never be happy...
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It depends on the person and the situation.

I don’t know if it is even possible to define happiness at all. Happiness means something different to every one, and there cannot be an “objective” definition. However, recently I had my own shot at defining happiness, which aims to be more “scientific” and “objective” (as much as this is possible for a subjective feeling such as happiness):

“A person can be considered to have experienced a “happy” moment if the person chooses to re-live it as an end in itself if offered at no cost.”

For the detailed derivation of this conclusion please have a look at "Spreadinghappiness" in google or website searches What do you think about this definition?

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We cannot be happy all the time, no one does. If you would you wouldn´t even know it. The Low feelings are what permit you to enjoy the high feelings.
There will always be highs and lows in life. Reason gives us the ability to choose our thoughts. Even when you are on a natural down swing, you can choose good thoughts with free will and continue to move up toward your goal.

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Happiness is contentment in the present , joy is looking back on the past and excitment is to the future lol well so iv heard
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Google "The Option Method".... and read everything you can by Bruce Di Marsico.

Here's a quote of his...

"The Cause of Unhappiness

The cause of unhappiness is a belief. What happens, no matter how undesirable or destructive to our life, health, desires or loves, does not cause unhappiness. The belief that we have to be unhappy is the only cause. To state it simply:

“If a person did not believe they had to be unhappy, they would not and could not be.”

Happiness is the freedom to be as we are, however we are; richer or poorer, in sickness or in health, gaining or losing, succeeding or failing, wanting or not wanting, approving or not approving, forever. Happy is what we are and what we’ll be if we don’t believe we are wrong to be as we are."

by Bruce Di Marsico
Montclair, Saturday, July 3rd, 1993

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Unread 14th December 2010, 09:39 AM   #45
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Is happiness a temporary or permanent state?
Happiness is "temporary" and "permanent" at the same time, but on different levels.
First, let's see ... who is looking for happiness? ... and why?
Is it "the physical body"? Is it "the mind"? ... or is it "the Soul"?
"The body" has no consciousness by itself, so it can't search for happiness.
"The Soul" it is always in the state of bliss; it is in fact it's own nature (absolute existence-absolute knowledge-absolute bliss/"Sat-Chit-Ananda"), so once it is already in this state, it does not make any sense to look for it.
It is the continuously-changing-disturbed "Mind" who is looking for happiness, because is trying to get to the balanced state (which is already achieved by the Soul). As long as "the mind" is kept focus on the outside world, in whatever activity you are performing, it will find from time to time samples of happiness, offered for free by the creation itself (like Bill Gates when offers free samples of a program). Now, if you are performing the same activities, BUT keeping the mind focused on the inside (where the Self/Soul resides), it will get eventually to the "permanent" state of happiness. This time, you have to pay the price (similarly when you buy a full program from Bill Gates); and the price is: PRACTICE.
Practice of what?
Practice of YOGA.
It is the only way to switch the mind from "temporary" to "permanent".
At the level of "restless/uncontrolled/disturbed" mind, the happiness is only temporary. But, at the level of the Soul or a "calm/controlled/undisturbed" mind, the happiness is permanent.
P.S. Warning: Do not be foolish-ed by the "beautiful Yoga center next to your door", because it's helpless to take you there (like a blind which will try to show the way to another blind). Only original/ancient/vedic yoga and a master, which both are hard to find, will be helpful.
If you really decide to do this change, I wish you good luck; you definitely need it.
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I agree with the first comment! It's a state. It's a state of cellular communication. We send neurotransmitters in our brains to create happiness. The biggest reason I believe many people do not achieve happiness is because they have a misconception as to what it is. I woke up this morning, happy, but intentionally happy. You create happiness in your nervous system. Once you become conscious of it, and start doing it deliberately, it becomes easier and easier. If you can consciously train your brain to create happiness with more things to the point where pretty much everything makes you happy, life becomes amazing. In addition, mind training exercises such as 30 minutes of alpha state optimization (often called meditation), help tremendously with your brains ability to regulate itself, create certain emotions and to have an overall control over the processes inside. Additionally, as human beings, I think that happiness naturally comes when we're growing, expanding and moving towards something specific in our lives as well as when we contribute directly to the lives of other people! Great post, great topic! I'm happy!

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Happiness is only temporary,so we should enjoy it while it lasts!
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Are you happy? What does that mean? Does that mean you'll never be unhappy? Does that mean you are happy at the moment?




Is happiness something we constantly seek? Can we ever get there? If we get there will we always be there?
If happiness comes from within... without the need of any external "source" of happiness like a good news or promotion or extra dollars or a sexy lady in bed... then it can be eternal.

True happiness...

1. Is not based on material possessions or progress
2. Comes from within and comes in unprecedented torrents
3. Comes only after you have a great deal of control over your anxious mind.

All other happiness is but a trailer of what can be.

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I feel happiness is real in some way and we use it to help us grow as people...I don't know if it's ever possible to be happy but I'll live in the illusion believing I'm happy because it's better than being sad.

Everything comes in waves and it moves up and down...it's just the way humans are. Just look at markets if you'd like to look at our emotions and how certain situations create growth and drawbacks.

The truth is you can grow and be alive and have a lot of fun.

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I am most of the time happy, sometimes I am not.
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