I cannot break this sleep habit (am I an owl, vampire or human?)

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Hey all,

For those of you that do IM/work from home full time/professionally, do you have troubles sleeping at the "conventional" times?

Me and my buddies joke about this, including ones in the same boat as me, but I think it's unhealthy...or at the least, just feels weird not seeing daylight for days lol.

No matter what time I get up in the day, I always find myself staying up really late into the morning. For example, it's 5.30 am here right now, and this happens most nights.

I try to break the habit by cutting my sleep short, and getting up early...but either I sleep right through or I DO get up, and stay awake right through to the following early hours of the morning the following night.

I live alone, which doesn't help with the routine. Any suggestions or shared experiences?

Kind regards,

Nick
#break #habit #human #owl #sleep #vampire
  • Profile picture of the author linkbeasts
    If the hours are not ruining your life is it worth worrying about ?If its an issue id suggest setting a time line per day and sticking to it where once the deadline for bed you set comes you go there, within a few days your body will get used to it. Can also use supplements to help with sleep and relaxation.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bart Loos
    Originally Posted by Nick Brighton View Post

    Hey all,

    For those of you that do IM/work from home full time/professionally, do you have troubles sleeping at the "conventional" times?

    Me and my buddies joke about this, including ones in the same boat as me, but I think it's unhealthy...or at the least, just feels weird not seeing daylight for days lol.

    No matter what time I get up in the day, I always find myself staying up really late into the morning. For example, it's 5.30 am here right now, and this happens most nights.

    I try to break the habit by cutting my sleep short, and getting up early...but either I sleep right through or I DO get up, and stay awake right through to the following early hours of the morning the following night.

    I live alone, which doesn't help with the routine. Any suggestions or shared experiences?

    Kind regards,

    Nick

    ... so what stops you from going to sleep at let's say 11pm?

    I wonder what you spent your time doing.. are you working.. or are you mindless surfing the internet, watching tv, ... or are you doing things that really ad value to your bizz?

    have fun

    Bart
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  • Profile picture of the author Audrey Harvey
    I can stay up late if I have to, last week it was 3.30am one night. I still have to get up early to feed the children, and too many nights like that leave me very weary.

    I also have no problems going to bed early, I sleep just fine.

    Bart, I will admit that I do spend some time before bed just surfing, because if I stop working and go straight to bed, my mind ticks over for hours!
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  • Profile picture of the author jaiganeshv
    If you are learning soemthing and in middle of completing something that helsp your business then its realy worthy, i think making these kinda posts in teh wee hours is really not
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Baker
    I don't think it matters when you sleep, so long as you do get regular sleep and enough of it, particulary if you live on your own.

    No different to shift working.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
    interesting responses guys. I d spend a lot of the time working, but some time just drifting too.

    It's weird...if I try to go to sleep earlier, I just cannot do it. Perhaps I have insomnia of some degree?!

    Anyway, I think you're right...as long as I get regular sleep and plenty of it, it doesn't really matter I suppose.

    Still, kinda frustrating
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    • Profile picture of the author Ben Armstrong
      Originally Posted by Nick Brighton View Post

      interesting responses guys. I d spend a lot of the time working, but some time just drifting too.

      It's weird...if I try to go to sleep earlier, I just cannot do it. Perhaps I have insomnia of some degree?!

      Anyway, I think you're right...as long as I get regular sleep and plenty of it, it doesn't really matter I suppose.

      Still, kinda frustrating
      It's just a matter of routine. If you make a deadline for yourself to be in bed every night then your body will get used to it and you'll start feeling tired a lot earlier. Try switching off the PC and doing something else for the last hour before you go to bed too.
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  • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
    I have spent years not worrying about time, i do not wear watches, do not care what day it is, nor the month. I also do not care when i sleep, if my body is tired and needs a rest it tells me, and i take a kip. all is good.

    What is weird is people who make themselves sleep at a certain time or turn off on purpose, those same people forcibly wake to screaming alarms and their body runs in a controlled manner not natural.

    I went to a meeting the other night and the guy i met started out with "O what a busy day I woke at xyz ran here ran there and rady rady", he then said what did your day go like i said well when i woke about lunch time, everybody was out so i just lazed the after noon in bed then got up and had a light meal and rest before coming here. these people who claim to get sleep always look stressed and tired to me thats for sure.
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  • Profile picture of the author cherylyeo
    Well 4 years in warrior forum with 1502 posts. You are too addicted and that explains your weird sleeping pattern. Get away from your computer and do some yoga, your body repairs itself during your minimum 8 hours sleep, if you don't rest at the right time, your organ will not get to do the servicing. Do consider to help yourself before you can help others.
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  • Profile picture of the author menj
    Have you considered the possibility that you might be all three? Haha, just kidding.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Miranda
    Like other posters it sounds like you are addicted to this forum. Go outside?

    For some people it doesn't really affect them health-wise to not get a lot of sleep but I know for myself I need at least 5-6 hours sleep to feel somewhat 'normal' the next day.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gclunis
    Honestly if you live by yourself and you don't have anyone depending on you then I really don't see a problem with it.

    The beauty of IM is that you can live those kinds of hours and still have a full time business going on.

    The only reason you should have to worry about your hours or sleep habits is if you let it cut into your social life.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
    thanks all - I appreciate the feedback, especially the ones about not caring, and only sleeping when your body tells you to - I totally agree, why worry?

    It does affect the social life tho - because I am often asleep when others are awake, which causes obvious issues!

    I do agree tho - you should not sleep at predetermined times, it is totally unnatural.
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    • Profile picture of the author MChriston
      Originally Posted by Nick Brighton View Post

      ...especially the ones about not caring, and only sleeping when your body tells you to - I totally agree, why worry?
      I'd go one further...

      Conventional wisdom suggests 9-to-5 working day and similarly that sleep should really be somewhere around 12am to 7am (approx).

      But conventional wisdom is flawed... it is after all talking about a convention. In other words, made up by someone somewhere with the idea being it fits all.

      BS nonsense!

      We're all different - some folk are night-owls, others are early-birds. And it doesn't stop there... there will be ups and downs through any day, and again everyone has their own particular flow.

      The key is to work WITH your own personal flow throughout the day - and not just with sleep, we're talking about knowing all of your highs and lows and then working accordingly.

      Funnily enough, last week I did a short video post on my blog about this very thing where I talk about scheduling your day with this flow in mind.

      (Unfortunately I can't post the link as I'm a new member so haven't earned that privilege yet! :p ...but the blog address is in my signature)

      As a bottomline I'd suggest adhering to convention will only work if that convention works for you.

      Cheers, Michael
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  • Profile picture of the author kebgolfer
    It's great that you are able to do what you want but, not really healthy. Try to get a good 7 hours sleep a night and start taking vitamins and start exercising regularly. Steady exercise routines, along with vitamins, help you to regulate your sleeping habits and to sleep a much deeper sleep. This in turn is much healthier and you will accomplish much more and be more creative.
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    • Profile picture of the author Isaachun
      Have you ever asked: Why do you want to change your sleep pattern?

      If there's not a strong reason, you'll probably never change.

      If you can't seem to change, then the only reason is a certain part of you don't see the benefit of changing. Handle that first before trying anything else as I guaranty you it will not work!

      If you do find the a very good reason and am determined to change, then you can try tricking your mind into waking up early. Google 'Steve Pavlina How to be an early riser'.

      I've tried it, and it works. However, I didn't do enough practice and fell back to my old habits and then I try to relook at why I want to make this change. Once I found my strong reasons, I've been sleeping early and waking up early ever since. It's all about inner motivation.

      Know the why and the how will take care of itself!


      Cheers!
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  • Profile picture of the author John M Kane
    You can "Re-Set" your bio-clock using 1) Melatonin 2)SAD lights
    Even Target sells the lights SAD Light Therapy : Home Health Care Equipment : Health : Target
    NOT an affl link
    There are many good one's I had an Appollo and loved it but, sold it.
    No longer need it.

    Sweet Dreams
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  • Profile picture of the author Edk
    What helps get me out of that habit is having the odd social affair to go to.
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  • Profile picture of the author GlengarryLeads
    For a while, wake up early in the morning, preferably like an hour before dawn. See how it makes you feel. Personally, I feel great at that time of day and ready to accomplish things... But,

    There's also a part of me that loves to stay up late and work on projects. It's all a matter of efficiency. I found that I am more efficient when I wake up earlier, because in the night I tend to "just do stuff" as opposed to doing productive things.

    By the way it's not that you can't break the habit, you just have no reason to. If it's working for you then there's no reason to change it, but I highly suggest that you give other things a try. The "5AM habit" is something that, in my experience, is worth cultivating -- and this is coming from someone who loves to stay up late.

    Remember: One of the great things that a 9-5 job gives people is routine. That might sound like something you don't want, but in reality it regulates their lives and keeps them "normal." Too much of it and you'll become a zombie who thinks that is their entire reality. Not enough of it, and you become detached from existence, too far out and end up being less productive.

    For one of my friends, the perfect balance has been to go to bed at 3am and wake up at noon. For me, it is more like going to bed at midnight, waking up at 8-9am. Getting up while it's still "morning" has huge advantages for your body and your general work ethic. It might not be apparent, though, until you've tried everything else.
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  • Profile picture of the author acms
    I think that as long as you get your work done it poses no real problem.

    However, as social life is also important, and you mentioned that you often sleep while your friends are awake. Then prehaps have some regular sleeping nights so you still get to spend time with friends.
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  • Profile picture of the author HugoG
    I think as long as you are not feeling drained during the day. You can still do it. There are people who just sleep 2 hours a day and have 20 minute naps and they have tons of energy. So you just have to find the right pattern for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brian Kerr
    Four issues.

    Eat small fatty foods before you sleep.
    Don't look at screens 1 hours before you sleep.
    Exercise during the day for at least 1.5 hours
    Clear your head of things, write everything you ever think about on paper before you sleep.

    All of these have amazing mental and physical reasons behind them... try it out... I am sure the first day you do it, you will find yourself with amazing results.
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    • Profile picture of the author WikiWarrior
      Originally Posted by Brian Kerr View Post

      Four issues.

      Eat small fatty foods before you sleep.
      Don't look at screens 1 hours before you sleep.
      Exercise during the day for at least 1.5 hours
      Clear your head of things, write everything you ever think about on paper before you sleep.

      All of these have amazing mental and physical reasons behind them... try it out... I am sure the first day you do it, you will find yourself with amazing results.
      ^ This. I would add that when you step away from the computer for the evening and are trying to get to sleep, reading for half an hour or so can help with this.

      I've also struggled with getting to sleep earlier in the past. It's that conundrum of wanting to get up early but really enjoying staying awake til late. I was going to sleep at 2:30am or so for a while and trying to be at my desk for 9am to start work again which just doesn't work in the long run.

      What solved the problem was realising that between 12:30am and 2:30pm I was surfing aimlessly, albeit enojyably, but getting nothing productive done. So now I try to switch off the PC by 12 - 12:30am (mon-fri), read til 1am and then I can easily get up by 7:30 - 8am feeling fresh.

      How about trying an experiment, like Pavlina talks about, and get up early for 1 solid week and see how you feel after. If you find you're more productive and enjoy it more than you do sleeping late, you have your answer. It really is a case of finding an optimum routine that works for you and you can stick to.
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  • Profile picture of the author hezell1989
    I usually stay on the computer 15 hours a day 7 days a week.


    i need help
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  • Profile picture of the author Tony Tikos
    I used to have a similar problem about a year ago, you should try staying up for a full 48 hours, and on the day you go to bed, sleep at around 10 or 11 pm
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