Become a good sales man and girls will follow you

14 years ago

dude....

AMP(Authentic Man Program)

Social Dynamics

Inner game=happiness, more girls, and more fun with those girls.

Nice parallel too

That's just one parallel to marketing and business. If you really become a master at business you become a master at life

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WebsiteMarketer

14 years ago

Very accurate observation. I have noticed this in my own life for sure.

For some people like myself I am naturally personable and drawn to other people which led me to customer service and sales jobs.

If you aren't naturally this type of person it is very possible to learn the traits and develop the skills that can help you become better at meeting and picking up women.

Want to improve your luck with ladies? Throwing yourself into a sales job no matter how uncomfortable it may be for you can certainly be very helpful in developing your 'game'.

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Anoopchawla

14 years ago

website marketer i completely agree with you.Throwing yourself in uncomfortable situations makes you a better person and i think most of the guys don't get enough girls because they have fear of approaching.

A sales person does not feel fear in approaching people because he is very used to this situation. Another aspect of sales that may help you in getting more girls

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Dennis Gaskill

14 years ago

You want women to like you? It's easy:

- First, stop thinking of them as a prize to be won.

- Stop playing mind games with them...and with yourself.

- Listen to what they say. Really listen. Don't try to think up what you're going to say next while they're talking.

- Learn who you are and then be yourself. Stop trying to impress them with what you think they want to hear. You can't build a good relationship on false grounds.

- Get your ego out of the equation. If you make a mistake admit it. You don't have to be perfect to be perfectly likable, and you shouldn't pretend you are perfect because it comes across as arrogance. How you handle your mistakes and imperfections says a LOT about you.

- Don't set the agenda for every date. Ask HER what she'd like to do. Then do it, even it if sucks...and it often will!

- Keep yourself clean and well groomed. Neatness counts.

- Have a plan for the future. Women ARE interested in intelligence and men that think ahead. What is your 1-year plan, your 5-year plan, and beyond? Do you even have a plan? Making one up on the spot isn't very convincing, you know. Most women are more attracted to men who think about life than they are to men who just wander through life aimlessly.

- Realize that being a man isn't about how tough you are or how old you are, it's about maturity. I've seen guys blow it with girls because they lost their temper too much. Losing your temper is being out of control. It's a sign of weakness. Women want someone strong, but that isn't about bluster and false bravado.

Lastly, just be nice. Not only to them, but to everyone. Show your heart, not in a blubbery, wussy way, but in kindnesses to strangers, volunteer work, and anytime you can. Women want a NICE guy. Women notice who the genuine nice guys are and who is faking it to impress them. You can be nice to a woman all day, but if you flip off a guy that cuts you off in traffic as you drive her home that tells her as much or more than your words have throughout the date.

That's really all it takes. It doesn't take pick-up lines, posing, or lying. You don't need a manual. Just be REAL, and be confident in who you are. Trust me, confidence is sexy. So is the ability to laugh at yourself.

I would guess more guys have bad luck with girls because of what they don't realize their behavior and actions say about them than that which they are aware of.

Of course, there are always exceptions, some women will be forever chasing the "bad boy" for reasons they don't understand, and most will end in heartbreak after heartbreak.

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Raygun

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

You want women to like you? It's easy:

- First, stop thinking of them as a prize to be won.

- Stop playing mind games with them...and with yourself.

- Listen to what they say. Really listen. Don't try to think up what you're going to say next while they're talking.

- Learn who you are and then be yourself. Stop trying to impress them with what you think they want to hear. You can't build a good relationship on false grounds.

- Get your ego out of the equation. If you make a mistake admit it. You don't have to be perfect to be perfectly likable, and you shouldn't pretend you are perfect because it comes across as arrogance. How you handle your mistakes and imperfections says a LOT about you.

- Don't set the agenda for every date. Ask HER what she'd like to do. Then do it, even it if sucks...and it often will!

- Keep yourself clean and well groomed. Neatness counts.

- Have a plan for the future. Women ARE interested in intelligence and men that think ahead. What is your 1-year plan, your 5-year plan, and beyond? Do you even have a plan? Making one up on the spot isn't very convincing, you know. Most women are more attracted to men who think about life than they are to men who just wander through life aimlessly.

- Realize that being a man isn't about how tough you are or how old you are, it's about maturity. I've seen guys blow it with girls because they lost their temper too much. Losing your temper is being out of control. It's a sign of weakness. Women want someone strong, but that isn't about bluster and false bravado.

Lastly, just be nice. Not only to them, but to everyone. Show your heart, not in a blubbery, wussy way, but in kindnesses to strangers, volunteer work, and anytime you can. Women want a NICE guy. Women notice who the genuine nice guys are and who is faking it to impress them. You can be nice to a woman all day, but if you flip off a guy that cuts you off in traffic as you drive her home that tells her as much or more than your words have throughout the date.

That's really all it takes. It doesn't take pick-up lines, posing, or lying. You don't need a manual. Just be REAL, and be confident in who you are. Trust me, confidence is sexy. So is the ability to laugh at yourself.

I would guess more guys have bad luck with girls because of what they don't realize their behavior and actions say about them than that which they are aware of.

Of course, there are always exceptions, some women will be forever chasing the "bad boy" for reasons they don't understand, and most will end in heartbreak after heartbreak.

Well said. Also for me personally I have had way more success with women when I treat them like an equal. I think I have way too guilty of treating beautiful women like they are some type of untouchable goddess. It is crazy but when I treat them just like I would treat my bratty sister, I have has really great success. You are not doing anyone a favor by putting them on a pedestal. The most important thing when dealing with a women or a man is that you are always having fun.

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jbrace

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

You want women to like you? It's easy:

- First, stop thinking of them as a prize to be won.

- Stop playing mind games with them...and with yourself.

- Listen to what they say. Really listen. Don't try to think up what you're going to say next while they're talking.

- Learn who you are and then be yourself. Stop trying to impress them with what you think they want to hear. You can't build a good relationship on false grounds.

- Get your ego out of the equation. If you make a mistake admit it. You don't have to be perfect to be perfectly likable, and you shouldn't pretend you are perfect because it comes across as arrogance. How you handle your mistakes and imperfections says a LOT about you.

- Don't set the agenda for every date. Ask HER what she'd like to do. Then do it, even it if sucks...and it often will!

- Keep yourself clean and well groomed. Neatness counts.

- Have a plan for the future. Women ARE interested in intelligence and men that think ahead. What is your 1-year plan, your 5-year plan, and beyond? Do you even have a plan? Making one up on the spot isn't very convincing, you know. Most women are more attracted to men who think about life than they are to men who just wander through life aimlessly.

- Realize that being a man isn't about how tough you are or how old you are, it's about maturity. I've seen guys blow it with girls because they lost their temper too much. Losing your temper is being out of control. It's a sign of weakness. Women want someone strong, but that isn't about bluster and false bravado.

Lastly, just be nice. Not only to them, but to everyone. Show your heart, not in a blubbery, wussy way, but in kindnesses to strangers, volunteer work, and anytime you can. Women want a NICE guy. Women notice who the genuine nice guys are and who is faking it to impress them. You can be nice to a woman all day, but if you flip off a guy that cuts you off in traffic as you drive her home that tells her as much or more than your words have throughout the date.

That's really all it takes. It doesn't take pick-up lines, posing, or lying. You don't need a manual. Just be REAL, and be confident in who you are. Trust me, confidence is sexy. So is the ability to laugh at yourself.

I would guess more guys have bad luck with girls because of what they don't realize their behavior and actions say about them than that which they are aware of.

Of course, there are always exceptions, some women will be forever chasing the "bad boy" for reasons they don't understand, and most will end in heartbreak after heartbreak.

couldn't have said it better myself!! I get so tired of the games and I know they must too!

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Geenius

14 years ago

I once took a weekend job as a direct marketing salemans recommending a coffee product in a convenient store.

That monday i went on to approach and talk to 20 different women in one day!

So i definitely know what the power of sales can do.

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badboy_Nick

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Anoopchawla

What do you think Now do you want to become good at sales hun? I bet you do. ( All those girls are waiting for a nice salesman)

Technically, you are playing the "salesman".

But once you KNOW how to get the women, it becomes part of you and you don't have to TRY no more. The best people who are GOOD at getting women are naturals. No tricks, no strategy, no gimmicks ... they dont even need to SELL themselves, women buy when they see the offer all by themselves.

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2d0k

14 years ago

I'm a pharma salesman, how come girls don't chase me?

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Geenius

14 years ago

@2d0k they probably see the ring on your left hand and flee lol

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David McAnulty 14 years ago

Oh wow really guys. You could put together a Library the size of Texas on material related to this one specific topic. Be careful though I would suggest selling what you really have and avoiding the hype. You will really step in it if you set others expectations wrong.

This does not just apply to relationships, but business as well.
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Zabrina

14 years ago

Who's the better natural salesperson: the one who's trying to push their offer, or the one who gets a bunch of different customers trying to obtain what they may or may not even be offering?

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Nicky Papers

14 years ago

It's all about confidence...

Women and potential "customers" can smell it a mile away. Either you have game or you don't. A little BS and accentuating the positive can only get you so far.

If you say what you mean it becomes natural. Also, being passionate about what you do and what you are about will bring you to the next level.

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AwesomePossum

14 years ago

Confidence and being genuine...

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Kenster

14 years ago

Its more about marketing than sales. Just like a physical product, if the marketing is genius, it will sell, even if the actual product is garbage. If you are just focused on sales and not marketing, good luck, youre going to need it. Good marketing sells itself.

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14 years ago

Become a good sales girl and all the men will follow you...

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Anoopchawla 14 years ago

Originally Posted by jazbo

Become a good sales girl and all the men will follow you...

Lol jazbo you made my day, Quiz in your signature link is really very interesting. Good job
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Andrew Davis

14 years ago

@ Dennis Gaskill
Your Post is so true!

I do follow all these steps, and they work wonders!
I'm still looking for the 1 right girl though, I don't take advantage of the girl's heart like "Players" do

Thanks again!

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Tony M.

14 years ago

This prompts a thought.

How relevant would a thread about Direct Response and Internet Marketing be, on a "pick up artist" forum ?
What would the quality of that thread be ?

You might have some great... smart, clever, people on there.
But whatever they would elaborate and assume about Adwords would most likely make no sense. Because it's not their area of expertise. Not their fault, but it would be pretty funny to read that topic if you were an Adwords expert.

That's the feeling a lot of people must get by reading the dating advice on this WF thread....

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acrasial

14 years ago

I'm a girl, and I'm not waiting for a guy. I go and get what I want, when I want it.

Who ever taught you that girls are just sitting around and waiting, needs a reality check! This is 2010! People make things happen in 2010, both women and men!

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Tony85

14 years ago

Originally Posted by acrasial

I'm a girl, and I'm not waiting for a guy. I go and get what I want, when I want it.

Who ever taught you that girls are just sitting around and waiting, needs a reality check! This is 2010! People make things happen in 2010, both women and men!

Ok, fact is, generally it's guys who have to put more effort in meeting girls than vice versa. Sure, sometimes things are reversed, but most of the time, guys are the ones who have to do more work to get what they want.

I'm willing to bet that 95% of all dating products are marketed and sold to men. There's a reason for that.

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Tony M.

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Tony85

I'm willing to bet that 95% of all dating products are marketed and sold to men. There's a reason for that.

Wrong.
David DeAngelo is quoted as acknowledging that his company's female product make him MORE profit than the male Double Your Dating line (and it's a pretty huge brand in that market).

It is true that the content is oriented differently (ie. for guys it's "here's how to get off your bottom and do something" and for girls it's often "here's how to wait better"

Now here's where this whole thread is wrong.

As someone who wants to meet a mate, you should NOT be a salesman. Not at all. Doesn't work.
You are the PRODUCT.

Can you imagine telling a woman :
- that you have testimonials from your ex partners ?
- that you're usually expensive, but TONIGHT she can get you at a discount ?
- that you have a refund guarantee if the first night isn't good ?

Won't fly.

I won't even comment on the whole "women want a NICE guy" belief system, over than saying that before people give advice (whether marketing or dating advice) they should disclaim the results they've gotten from it so far.
That would save us so much time

I personnally tested heavily the "nice guy" belief system for about 20 years, and it was the main instrument of me staying a virgin for the whole time... I'm pretty happy I stumbled upon the idea of doing what the guys who get RESULTS do, a few years ago. Changed my life (I actually have testimonials from ex girlfriends, but that's another story).

Tony

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acrasial

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Tony M.

Wrong.
David DeAngelo is quoted as acknowledging that his company's female product make him MORE profit than the male Double Your Dating line (and it's a pretty huge brand in that market).

It is true that the content is oriented differently (ie. for guys it's "here's how to get off your bottom and do something" and for girls it's often "here's how to wait better"

Now here's where this whole thread is wrong.

As someone who wants to meet a mate, you should NOT be a salesman. Not at all. Doesn't work.
You are the PRODUCT.

Can you imagine telling a woman :
- that you have testimonials from your ex partners ?
- that you're usually expensive, but TONIGHT she can get you at a discount ?
- that you have a refund guarantee if the first night isn't good ?

Won't fly.

I won't even comment on the whole "women want a NICE guy" belief system, over than saying that before people give advice (whether marketing or dating advice) they should disclaim the results they've gotten from it so far.
That would save us so much time

I personnally tested heavily the "nice guy" belief system for about 20 years, and it was the main instrument of me staying a virgin for the whole time... I'm pretty happy I stumbled upon the idea of doing what the guys who get RESULTS do, a few years ago. Changed my life (I actually have testimonials from ex girlfriends, but that's another story).

Tony

Thankyou. These people need a SERIOUS reality check. I'm a chick, and I'm laughing really hard and feeling sorry for some of the people above. Women aren't truly all that shy and helpless as people make them out to be.

If we really want something, and want to get involved with something, we will sure make it known. That's no different than men, just the ways we do it might be different.

Speaking of testimonials, I have seen profiles before (LOL)< of men who put testimonials on their profile. Was a good laugh. LOL.

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lakshaybehl

13 years ago

Originally Posted by acrasial

Thankyou. These people need a SERIOUS reality check. I'm a chick...

Really?

;-)

Originally Posted by acrasial

and I'm laughing really hard and feeling sorry for some of the people above. Women aren't truly all that shy and helpless as people make them out to be.

If we really want something, and want to get involved with something, we will sure make it known. That's no different than men, just the ways we do it might be different.

Speaking of testimonials, I have seen profiles before (LOL)< of men who put testimonials on their profile. Was a good laugh. LOL

But then marketing is no different sweetie... Customers know what they want. Can you influence what they want? Sure yes. In fact our buying decisions are so dynamic that we head out to buy something and end up buying something completely different. Hasn't it ever happened to you?

So while as a woman you may not be looking for a man... You definitely CAN be shaken if a man of certain quality comes around. The kind of man you see only once every few years. You know all those you had huge crushes on and just knew you couldn't get. At least not without having to do something special that other girls weren't doing. Your marketing positioning can be similar. And that positioning surely impacts the buying decisions of people. Buying decisions are rarely rational but mostly predictable. Same as the mating decisions.

-Lakshay

P.S. There are some of us who know how smart women are... Or shall I say how dangerously smart, eh?

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Tony85

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Tony M.

Wrong.
David DeAngelo is quoted as acknowledging that his company's female product make him MORE profit than the male Double Your Dating line (and it's a pretty huge brand in that market).

It is true that the content is oriented differently (ie. for guys it's "here's how to get off your bottom and do something" and for girls it's often "here's how to wait better"

I really have a hard time believing what Deangelo said. I really do. He gets more money from his women's products? If it really is true, then I was wrong. I don't believe it though.

But I guess that in some ways, his supposed method of teaching women to "wait better" kind of agrees with my original statement, doesn't it?

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lakshaybehl

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Tony M.

Wrong.
David DeAngelo is quoted as acknowledging that his company's female product make him MORE profit than the male Double Your Dating line (and it's a pretty huge brand in that market).

It is true that the content is oriented differently (ie. for guys it's "here's how to get off your bottom and do something" and for girls it's often "here's how to wait better"

Now here's where this whole thread is wrong.

As someone who wants to meet a mate, you should NOT be a salesman. Not at all. Doesn't work.
You are the PRODUCT.

Can you imagine telling a woman :
- that you have testimonials from your ex partners ?
- that you're usually expensive, but TONIGHT she can get you at a discount ?
- that you have a refund guarantee if the first night isn't good ?

Won't fly.

I won't even comment on the whole "women want a NICE guy" belief system, over than saying that before people give advice (whether marketing or dating advice) they should disclaim the results they've gotten from it so far.
That would save us so much time

I personnally tested heavily the "nice guy" belief system for about 20 years, and it was the main instrument of me staying a virgin for the whole time... I'm pretty happy I stumbled upon the idea of doing what the guys who get RESULTS do, a few years ago. Changed my life (I actually have testimonials from ex girlfriends, but that's another story).

Tony

There's at least one soul that does understand the seduction process properly the way it should be.

Life will continue... I am so happy. At least someone will get women.

I would like to present another parallel for everyone to ponder...

Is Dan Kennedy the consultant a salesman or a product?

Is he trying to sell you? Or do you naturally want to be the one working with him as your consultant...

That is... you want to be the one with Dan on Your side not your competitors. He is the super-unavailable-scarce-product. In fact he is not the commodity product, he is the "experience" and "status" product. Your consultant's Dan implies you are a big shot.

Same is the case with women. They either want to be seen (OR sleeping) with you... or not. Depending upon their experience. Are their core needs and addictions being satisfied? Are you the one they have to compete for?

The one with minimum availability and maximum choice amongst women will always out-attract the other guys... same as the one with better positioning in the market will outsell the others.

Yeah... I hear ya! This is a copywriting forum. And many copywriters want us to believe that they can sell with just a letter. Maybe! But I can surely sell a lot more with superior positioning.

"Psychological triggers" are subject to the proof elements embedded in the marketing. And the best positioning is one where they are already hanging off the cliff waiting to buy from ya!

-Lakshay

P.S. Tony, I don't know about testimonials. But hearsay makes you very wealthy especially when to comes to the bedroom ;-)

P.P.S. Times of slower marketing are coming. Very soon you will have to fight an entire battle to capture attention in and of itself. The delivery of an excellent sales message is still subject to capturing of attention. Sales letters and emails WILL not cut it anymore in the near future. Not everyone is ready for this change, but those who are will profit. Hands down.

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PeterDunin

13 years ago

great advice!I will be using this

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maidmarion

13 years ago

Some good advice here, and its true, the job as salesman/saleslady develops lots of skills! I liked Dennis's comments! Very wise. Good luck to you all

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