Persuasion Selling NLP? Recommendations!

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Hi All, in the early 1990's I read Frogs into Princes and used the 6 step reframe to heal a psoriasis condition my wife had for over 12 months. That was my first experience with NLP. Total inexperience blindly following a six step pattern and the outcome (healthy skin) has stayed.

I am curious if there is any NLP specific to the profession of selling. I am changing my job and moving into motorbike sales and must make it a solid and financially profitable move for myself and my new employer. I have read other NLP books and after all this time I am sure there must be NLP developments that upgrade my selling skills extensively. I have read and applied the mirror and match patterns including breathing with what seems good results although there is no noticable increase in sales.

Does anyone know a specific selling process that is as effective as the six step reframe I used to heal a skin condition? Surely if I can use the reframe process to heal a skin condition there must be a process I can use to heal the motorbike buyer's lack of bike by installing a new bike into their life. And specifically from me not some other motorbike shop.

Am I dreaming?
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  • Profile picture of the author KlikApps
    Oh absolutely you can use NLP in sales... Just google "NLP sales" and you'll find loads about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andy H
    Hi Keskillia,

    As part of my doctorate dissertation project I reviewed NLP material specifically related to sales. My research took me all the way back to 1975. There are several issues with NLP books written about selling, some of them being:

    Books written by therapists based on their theoretical view of how NLP might apply to sales.
    Books based on the transcripts of seminars that have you digging and digging for the magic bullet.
    Books written by people who don't have a clue. Period.

    I have been applying NLP in my sales and marketing career since the early '90s. I'm a certified Master Practitioner and Certified Trainer also.

    In my research project, some (certainly not all) sales people were able to almost double their sales in seven weeks.

    In the group that was taught only interpersonal NLP methods, The greatest increase in sales took place not after rapport building skills but after the buying pattern elicitation. This included the informal elicitation of values, criteria, simple metaprograms and the convincer strategy. Assuming you have rapport, get this right and the sale is all but yours.

    I can recommend the following books:

    Lakin, D. (2000). The Unfair Advantage. Illinois: Lakin Associates, for foundational work on using VAK through numerous business related mediums.

    Moine, D., & Lloyd, K. (1990). Unlimited Selling Power. New Jersey: Prentice-Hall, Inc., for hypnotic language patterns and "unfreezing" a decision (nominalizations).

    Johnson, K. (1995). Selling with NLP. London, UK: Nicholas Brealey Publishing Ltd., a pretty good all-rounder with an interesting way to address objections through "psychological sliding" - having the prospect perceive their objection through a rep system other than their primary system and notice how things change...

    Dilts, R. (1999). Sleight of Mouth. California: Meta Publications - the definitive guide to conversational reframing - an excellent approach for managing objections.

    Rose Charvet, S. (1995). Words that Change Minds. Iowa: Kendall/Hunt Publishing Company., a great book on metaprograms. You don't have to know all 60+ metaprograms to sell effectively. She includes a number of references to selling and a recommendation as to what metaprograms to focus on.

    Bandler, R., & LaValle, J. (1996). Persuasion Engineering. California: Meta Publications. Bandler's account of his use of NLP in sales. EXCELLENT book! VERY entertaining, VERY interesting, and a transcript of a seminar that leaves me wishing I was at the live event.

    I would also recommend an older book by Bagley, D. S., & Reese III, E. J. (1987). Beyond Selling. California: Meta Publications, a great foundational work to selling with NLP.

    Hope this helps,

    Andy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Hancox
    Richard Bandler's "Persuasion Engineering" covers NLP in the context of sales.
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    • Profile picture of the author Darren L Carter
      I would also recommend Richard Bandler's "Get the Life You Want"

      That book has loads of value for all aspect's of your life. I'm sure selling could fit in there easily.

      Peace,
      Darren L Carter
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      • Profile picture of the author christineconte
        Hey - quick question - has anyone read Persuasion Skills Black Book: Practical NLP Language Patterns for Getting The Response You Want by Rintu Basu and Debbie Jenkins

        This book has great reviews on Amazon - but I was wondering if anyone had any first-hand experience with this book?

        Thanks! Christine
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        • Profile picture of the author Andy H
          Originally Posted by christineconte View Post

          Hey - quick question - has anyone read Persuasion Skills Black Book: Practical NLP Language Patterns for Getting The Response You Want by Rintu Basu and Debbie Jenkins

          This book has great reviews on Amazon - but I was wondering if anyone had any first-hand experience with this book?

          Thanks! Christine
          Hi Christine,

          I have read the book and it is a good one. Rintu has an excellent approach of teaching a few specific patterns; layering new patterns on top of those already taught/mastered by the reader.

          Rather than fill the book with theoretical and historical content, he offers a pattern, suggests multiple methods of using the pattern and like all good teachers he demonstrates the patterns he teaches through his writing.

          Rintu has an interesting take on rapport building which is: rather than become (consciously) overly involved in the process of matching and mirroring, act "as if" you are seeing an old friend for the first time in a while, perhaps from a distance at first. How would you approach that person? Chances are you would naturally smile, be genuinely excited to see the person and extend a warm hand as you reconnect. Would this approach enable you to generate virtually immediate rapport with anyone? Give it a shot and let me know

          I recommend that all of my clients/students also learn the more traditional methods of generating rapport so that at the very least, they know how to recover from the "as if" approach to generating rapport if it doesn't get the results they want and they can generate rapport with groups large and small.

          Though not a book specifically about sales, it can help anyone become more influential and persuasive. And everybody knows, in our business that's a good thing, right?

          Andy.
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        • Profile picture of the author Loren Woirhaye
          Originally Posted by christineconte View Post

          Hey - quick question - has anyone read Persuasion Skills Black Book: Practical NLP Language Patterns for Getting The Response You Want by Rintu Basu and Debbie Jenkins

          This book has great reviews on Amazon - but I was wondering if anyone had any first-hand experience with this book?

          Thanks! Christine
          I have read it. I was impressed. It's a practical book.

          Dilts's "Sleight of Mouth" is much more theoretical, which is cool if
          you want to know the theories about how and why the stuff works,
          but if you want to learn simple and effective language patterns
          Rintu's book is very direct and easy to learn from.

          Also Jamie Smarts Salad cards are cool.
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  • Profile picture of the author keskillia
    thank you All, I now have a specific direction. There is one more thing, I read in one of the forum posts about a therapeutic pattern that helped a couple stay together (whether they wanted to or not) and it used a metaphor about making coffee. That technique would be very handy to get the buyer to find the 'ah ha' moment and go ahead and buy the motorbike and enjoy it. Is that process available for selling products?
    For those of you who care - I am sorry for the gumby questions.
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    • Profile picture of the author Andy H
      Originally Posted by keskillia View Post

      thank you All, I now have a specific direction. There is one more thing, I read in one of the forum posts about a therapeutic pattern that helped a couple stay together (whether they wanted to or not) and it used a metaphor about making coffee. That technique would be very handy to get the buyer to find the 'ah ha' moment and go ahead and buy the motorbike and enjoy it. Is that process available for selling products?
      For those of you who care - I am sorry for the gumby questions.
      Hi Keskillia, while I am not certain of the exact structure of the metaphor you are referring to, I can state with absolute certainty that the use of metaphors is extremely effective in selling. Why? Because they work just outside of the conscious awareness of the listener, bypassing resistance.

      They also provide you with an excellent opportunity to incorporate embedded quotations, embedded commands, hypnotic language patterns, anchoring, elicit rapid state change and appeal to the buying patterns of the prospect.

      The "ah ha" moment you seek will usually come when you dovetail ownership of the motorbike with the individual buying patterns, especially the values and criteria of your prospect.

      In your situation, a really exquisite way to elicit buying patterns and criteria from a prospect (after you greet them) is to ask them: "What brings you in here today?" Their answer will usually be peppered with information that reveals where they are in the buying process, their preferred rep system, and their metaprogram "sorts."

      But the real gems are revealed when you ask them the follow up question: "What brings you in here NOW?" This is the moment when they will reveal their immediate motivation to you. You can then elicit the criteria for ensuring that what is motivating them is met and present the ownership of the motorbike in such a way that it meets their criteria. Ah ha!

      To those who sell on the phone, you can adopt this approach when receiving telephone inquiries and even when you receive call-backs from prospects. Example: "Hi John, wow, it seems like years since we last spoke, I've lefts lots of messages, what gets you to call me today? "Well, I just wanted to revisit your proposal." Sure, but why today? Why now? "To be honest Andy, we have to get this project done by the end of this month and we're running out of time..."

      Can you find a way to adapt this approach so that you can use it in your business? BTW, I didn't invent this pattern, I think I heard it first from Kenrick Cleveland.

      Back to metaphors:

      When using metaphor to sell, there is almost always more taking place than meets the eye. However, there is a common misunderstanding regarding the use of metaphor in sales. That is that metaphors necessarily need to be complicated with lots of nested loops, etc.

      This notion comes from the application of NLP in a therapeutic environment and nothing could be further from the truth when it comes to selling. Remember, selling is NOT therapy!

      When a client comes to me for therapy. they are paying a lot of money listen to what I have to say. They are highly motivated to solve a problem or achieve a goal and so they listen intently to everything I say. They hang on to every word I utter with the full expectation that they will benefit from it.

      But, like I said, therapy is not sales

      In sales, especially in business to business sales, your stories will usually be shorter and to the point. Back in the day when I was first learning to sell door-to-door, I was taught the "feel, felt found" method of managing an objection. To this day, this method can be used as the basis to sell using metaphor.

      For example, a prospect says "I want to shop around." The salesperson might respond with: "Sure. I appreciate how you feel. In fact, I was talking with Mr. Jones last week who felt the same way AND after I reminded him about our 30 day price match guarantee he found that he could get the best of both worlds. How? Well, he chose to decide to take the widget home now so he could enjoy it AND have the complete confidence and peace of mind of knowing that if he found it cheaper, he is covered by our price match guarantee. The very same guarantee that you get by shopping with us today."

      A basic example, sure, but it reveals how simple a metaphor can be whilst being effective. Erickson himself used a similar process when he began a therapeutic metaphor with: "My friend John..."

      A couple of great books on the topic of therapeutic metaphor are:

      My Voice Will Go with You: The Teaching Tales of Milton H. Erickson by Sidney Rosen, ISBN: 0393301354. This is a great collection of metaphors Erickson used in his practice. Study the structure and replace characters/events/situations/lessons with your own.

      Therapeutic Metaphors: Helping Others Through the Looking Glass by David Gordon, ISBN: 0916990044. This book will provide you with a college level course on metaphor. Highly recommended for serious students.
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      • Profile picture of the author keskillia
        Thank you for your reply Andy H.
        Regarding the two questions you recommended "What brings you in here today?" and then "What brings you in here NOW?" I know you explained the reason/benefit for using both of them however could it cause the prospect to start to think that I am not listening since the two sentences differ by one word? Should the questions be separated by more conversation or does the client continue to elaborate.
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        • Profile picture of the author Andy H
          Originally Posted by keskillia View Post

          Thank you for your reply Andy H.
          Regarding the two questions you recommended "What brings you in here today?" and then "What brings you in here NOW?" I know you explained the reason/benefit for using both of them however could it cause the prospect to start to think that I am not listening since the two sentences differ by one word? Should the questions be separated by more conversation or does the client continue to elaborate.
          Great question, keskillia!

          The simple answer is calibrate the prospect. You can connect the two questions by repeating some of the prospect's answer to the first question back to them, essentially pacing their experience. For example: "Cool, so you've been looking for a bike for a while, you heard out us from a friend and you decided to stop by and take a look at what we have... But what got you in here today? Why now?

          When I use this method, I often soften my voice a little and lean in toward the prospect, as if I am expecting to hear more. I have never experienced a break I rapport or even resistance on the part of the prospect. The worst that has happened is that the prospect repeats themselves, "Well, like I said..." If nothing else, this give you an opportunity to confirm what you heard when the prospect answered the first question.

          Give this method a try in a safe environment and see what happens. You will be amazed at what people will reveal to you if you just ask those two questions.

          Let me know how it goes!

          Andy.
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  • Profile picture of the author keskillia
    I gave it a go and the ones that I stayed focused on (my mind wonders sometimes thinking of what I need to say) actually started opening up. I have an appointment with one next week for a test ride, and another said he will bring his partner in to see the bike (the partner is sometimes a way out for them and never see them again, it normally occurs after they hear the price).
    I also ordered the books 'Words That Change Minds' and 'Get The Life You Want'.
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    • Profile picture of the author Andy H
      Originally Posted by keskillia View Post

      I gave it a go and the ones that I stayed focused on (my mind wonders sometimes thinking of what I need to say) actually started opening up. I have an appointment with one next week for a test ride, and another said he will bring his partner in to see the bike (the partner is sometimes a way out for them and never see them again, it normally occurs after they hear the price).
      I also ordered the books 'Words That Change Minds' and 'Get The Life You Want'.
      Good job on taking action and noticing what happens! Stay with it. As you do this more and more you will find that your mind wonders less and your results will speak for themselves. Excellent!
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      • Profile picture of the author keskillia
        MANY THANKS, when I get to a position where I am selling bikes on the clients first visit I will be posting it here. I know a large portion of the potential clients have thoroughly researched the bike in which they have an interest before they walk in to view the bike (no thank you I am just looking is the safety net). They are begging to have the bike and need a quality sales person to assist them to the next phase. They go from wanting/desiring to owning on the first visit. The second visit is to ride their new bike away.
        I am positive this can be achieved.
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  • Profile picture of the author Loren Woirhaye
    It's not really NLP, and in fact it's "old school" hard close oriented,
    but "The Closers" by Jim Pickens/Ben Gay really influenced me a lot
    in the way I think about selling.

    It pulls no punches. Straight from the trenches. Reveals a lot of
    psychological games customers will try to play on you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Loren Woirhaye
    You job will probably be then to help them conclude that now really
    is the right time to get the bike... that it's okay and they can
    afford it and relax and stop shopping for the lowest possible
    price for the features they want.

    The price is probably a sticking point for some of your prospects -
    you'll want to help them find a way to drop the price issue, sign,
    and drive the bike away.... which they want to do anyway.
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    • Profile picture of the author keskillia
      That is correct Loren. I must motivate them to become motivated to take action right now. They have to feel safe with the process and feel comfortable they are making a good decision. There is no way that any thought of 'buyers remorse' or the feeling of being conned should ever enter their mind.

      My job is to sell enough bikes to keep the employer happy and earn a higher commission and to ensure the potential purchaser of each bike decides to buy it now and not browse forever or buy elsewhere after being motivated to buy.

      It has been said that the profession called selling is the highest paid hard work and the lowest paid easy work. I don't agree because I have seen some sales people sell way above their quota 4 to 5 times higher and on the outside they look to be very calm and with a minimum amount of effort. I have also seen other sales people (myself included) put in huge hours and not have a lot to show for it. Andy H said he was able to double the effectiveness of sales reps in his doctorate dissertation project within seven weeks. I am sure those reps that doubled their sales did not work harder, they more than likely worked very easy with excellent skills new to them and that is why it took 7 weeks to build up the increase. They would have had a specific pattern and more or less replicated it with every prospect, fine tuning it to the individual.
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      • Profile picture of the author Andy H
        Originally Posted by keskillia View Post

        Andy H said he was able to double the effectiveness of sales reps in his doctorate dissertation project within seven weeks.
        In the interest of full disclosure, while some participants did almost double their sales in seven weeks during my research project, this was not true for everyone.

        Due to the goals of the project and scope of my research I restricted the instructional material to pure NLP. That means I did not include material from other fields such as psychology, social science, information services or business to improve sales results.

        Blending methods from these fields with NLP methods increases sales even more.

        Andy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Loren Woirhaye
    Harry Browne's book on selling is really good and addresses
    how to be that salesperson who does really well without
    breaking a sweat.

    There are a lot of good books on selling, but Browne's
    book communicates some key things really well and
    succinctly. It's a very gentle approach, both for the
    salesperson and the customer.

    The Secret of Selling ~ Anything


    Browne ran for president of the USA for the libertarian
    party.
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  • Profile picture of the author keskillia
    Thank you for the disclosure Andy. I am very impressed with the process you used because it is like a science experiment. Specific and measurable.
    I have so much to benefit with the information I have received that I am already smiling and I will be at work with a winners grin with my skill level increasing. Loren I will order in the The Secret to Selling - Anything. The guy at the bookshop will love me even more now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andy H
    It WAS a science experiment, keskillia

    But more than that, it wan an opportunity for me to measure the exact impact of using NLP in the profession of selling. To my knowledge, I am the only person to conduct such a research project and demonstrate empirical evidence that NLP can be applied in a sales environment to increase sales not only on an interpersonal level but on an intrapersonal level also.

    During my research project I taught interpersonal NLP methods and intrapersonal NLP methods to two separate groups. Both groups experienced significant increases in sales.

    I did not have the opportunity to measure the impact of teaching both intrapersonal AND interpersonal NLP methods to a single group. That is what is what's next for me and the best thing is that I can extend my audience to include my friends in the IM world. So stay tuned
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