THIS is the reason you and others fail!!

K_tir

13 years ago

I agree with you.

You get tired of seeing thread after thread with similar topics.

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BigDaddys101

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

Hey Warriors,

Sorry but I'm getting fed up with people starting threads pronouncing that they have discovered the one reason why people fail at IM.

THERE IS NO 'ONE' REASON!!!!!

Andy

I think a BIG reason would be lack of effort

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Shaun OReilly 13 years ago

You've hit the nail on the head Andy.

When people start throwing around phrases that include
words like ONE, ONLY, NEVER, ALWAYS, etc, you can
usually be sure that they are making some incorrect
assumptions.

And you're right - people are complex creatures.

The idea that someone's success - or failure - could be
down to ONE thing is utter nonsense because people are
a complex system with many visible and hidden parts.

There's no one-size-fits-all.

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Jason Perez O'Connor

13 years ago

You know, I have a similar feeling towards those who keep throwing out statistics within the 90's such as 97% of people do this or don't do that, or fail because of this... with no data to back this up at all! Just figures they've seen plastered by others who have also made them up.

97% of people do this

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Shaun OReilly

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Jason Perez O'Connor

You know, I have a similar feeling towards those who keep throwing out statistics within the 90's such as 97% of people do this or don't do that, or fail because of this... with no data to back this up at all! Just figures they've seen plastered by others who have also made them up.

97% of people do this

A bit like the urban myth of the supposed Yale/Harvard
study on goals (that never actually happened!):

If Your Goal Is Success, Don't Consult These Gurus | Fast Company (no affil.)

Yet - there's no shortage of people who continue to
spread the myth that only 3% of people set goals.

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Liam Hamer 13 years ago

Very well said Andy I know when I was 'failing', there were at least 2 or 3 reasons why. I didn't have a proper plan, I wasn't analyzing my results and adjusting accordingly and I wasn't working consistently enough on specific areas.

It seems that the most commonly mentioned reason given by people here at the WF is 'moving from one thing to another, not sticking to one thing until you get good at it'. And yes, to an extent I agree with it, but it's often about so much more than just that. I know it was with me.
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  I agree totally. I think it can be human nature to try and categorise and simplify things, but sweeping generalisations that then get reported as fact don't do anyone any favours.
  
  Sweeping Generalisations should never be used in internet marketing.
  
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MarketingPro11

13 years ago

I fully agree with you Andy.People fail for different reasons and every person has his own reasons behind his failure.

But one thing remains common that every successful person fails at least one time before he becomes a success.

When I started marketing online,I failed for several months because I didn't have proper knowledge ,then once I started taking action I failed because I didn't have a proper plan.

Once these two were in placed,I failed for the next few months due to my lack of focus.....and I succeeded only after all these 3 components got into place.

So in my opinion the 3 basic reasons behind the failure are:
1)Lack Of Proper Knowledge

2)Lack Of Workable Action Plan

3)Lack Of Focus and Perseverance

And a person succeeeds only when all 3 components are in place and then perseverance takes care of the coming obstacles.

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Andyhenry

13 years ago

Originally Posted by MarketingPro11

I fully agree with you Andy.People fail for different reasons and every person has his own reasons behind his failure.

But one thing remains common that every successful person fails at least one time before he becomes a success.

When I started marketing online,I failed for several months because I didn't have proper knowledge ,then once I started taking action I failed because I didn't have a proper plan.

Once these two were in placed,I failed for the next few months due to my lack of focus.....and I succeeded only after all these 3 components got into place.

So in my opinion the 3 basic reasons behind the failure are:
1)Lack Of Proper Knowledge

2)Lack Of Workable Action Plan

3)Lack Of Focus and Perseverance

And a person succeeeds only when all 3 components are in place and then perseverance takes care of the coming obstacles.

Maybe I wasn't clear in my OP - I completely disagree....

I completely agree that this could be true for YOU at that time...

I completely disagree that they apply to everyone.

Also - there is the matter of what your definition of success is.

For some people this revolves around hitting a target of $xxx a month, for others it's about making more than enough to pay their bills and not need any other form of income, for others it's about learning new skills and accomplishing new tasks (like creating their own blog to express their views about something they're passionate about).

So - whatever was YOUR experience is valid FOR YOU.

Generalising and trying to create 'rules of success' or 'critical elements' are always an exercise in futility because they'll never apply to everyone.

So - my problem is not with people sharing what was their reality - it's when they (like you just did) try to state their reality as some sort of fundamental truth for all IMers.

Maybe I'm not making myself clear about this - but it's not about the actual 'rules' etc... it's about the assuming they apply globally. They don't and can't.

The only reason to try and tell people they do is really about the person making the statements. Either trying to validate their own experience by suggesting it's the same for everyone, or trying to position themselves as an expert to others. Neither of these necessarily help people as much as if they just shared their experience and didn't try to load it with anything else.

If you share your experience and let people take from it what fits - everyone wins.

If you try to create rules that apply to everyone - they'll always be wrong and fall short or mislead people.

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13 years ago

Most people fail in Internet Marketing because they're not business entrepreneurs - they're mere opportunity seekers.

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Steven Wagenheim 13 years ago

Andy, I have always appreciated your level head. Thanks for a "dead on"
assessment.

The numbers of possible reasons why people fail would stagger most folks'
minds.

So many of us try to "package" some reason for failure just like many
marketers try to package that "push button" success system. In both
cases, it's incomplete at best and dangerous at worst.

I myself can't count the reasons why I failed early in my IM career. Some
was lack of knowledge. Some was lack of funds to properly invest in my
business. Some was stress from worrying about being homeless. You'd
be surprised how incredibly hard it is to work under that kind of stress.
For some people...it's a killer.

And some people just flat out don't have the intelligence to run a
business, no matter what other people say to the contrary. We aren't
all born with the same ability to learn. Sadly, some people are mentally
handicapped to the point where the only way they'd be able to have a
successful business is if they had somebody literally run it for them.

And yes, some people aren't cut out for this...at all.

If I had it to do all over again, I wouldn't have gone through my early
failures like I did. I would have simply taken out enough money from the
bank in the form of a loan and hired the brightest minds in the business to
research a niche for me and setup the whole process.

Done.

Yeah, it wouldn't have been as fun. It would have pretty much just been
like investing in stocks, but it would have probably made me a lot more
successful than I am now so that I could do the things that I really
wanted to do with my life, like attend to my music career. Trust me, IM
was never my first choice. It was almost thrust upon me out of
necessity. And now that I've finally made something of myself, I spend
as little time working these days as possible.

My mother had a saying, God rest her soul.

"To thine own self be true."

And she was dead on the money with that one...another reason why so
many people fail. They're trying to do something that they deep down
inside can't stand.

Okay, I'll get off my soap box now. Thank you again for shooting straight
from the hip.
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jazbo

13 years ago

It all depends on what you class as "failure". For someone who can't see how they will eat tomorow, a couple of fiverr gigs is great.

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Jonathan 2.0

Banned 13 years ago

I beg to differ.

I think there is one reason why everyone fails at Internet marketing. And, this one thing can overcome almost everything that people “think” stops them from succeeding.

What's the reason? They give up too soon. That's it. That's the only reason why people don't succeed at IM.

Success is guaranteed if you keep taking action. (Providing you're not hoping to make 100's of millions first time around. And even then you can keep going.)

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Andyhenry

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0

I beg to differ.

I think there is one reason why everyone fails at Internet marketing. They give up too soon. That's it. That's the only reason why people don't succeed at IM.

Success is guaranteed if you keep taking action. (Providing you're not hoping to make 100's of millions first time around.)

Well - again I think that only applies to certain definitions of 'success'.

If the success you desire is to be a millionaire - no amount of working a bad model will get you there.

If the success you desire is to make 'some money' then persistent action can get you there. That's not to say you won't have spent more than you made, but some people feel like they're progressing just because they have money coming in - even if it's less than what's going out.

"success" for anyone is not guaranteed just by persistence.

Again - generalising is what breaks your argument. If you said it was true for you and your version of success it would make perfect sense. When you say it applies to everyone - that's what makes it wrong.

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Jonathan 2.0

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Hi Andy.

I think that when it comes to making something reasonable (like $1 million) and the success is defined as to making that much, I definitely think that not taking action is the only way a person can fail.

You mention that no amount of working a bad model will succeed. So what happens when it doesn't succeed? Some people give up.

However, others keep going. They may even keep taking action after another “failure.” And they’re the ones who will be successful - because they kept going.

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Jason Perez O'Connor

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0

Hi Andy.

I think that when it comes to making something reasonable (like $1 million) and the success is defined as to making that much, I definitely think that not taking action is the only way a person can fail.

You mention that no amount of working a bad model will succeed. So what happens when it doesn't succeed? Some people give up.

However, others keep going. They may even keep taking action after another "failure." And they're the ones who will be successful - because they kept going.

That and your last statement completely ignore what Andy was trying to get across.

How can someone, who although does want to continue, even after failure, keep taking action if they have a problem completely out of their control which stops them otherwise.

More time at work? Illness? Other responsibilities. etc.

Like Andy said, the reasons are different for each individual case. It isn't just as simple as having to take action, because some people don't always have that luxury.

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Originally Posted by Jason Perez O'Connor

Like Andy said, the reasons are different for each individual case. It isn't just as simple as having to take action, because some people don't always have that luxury.

And many people do.

If I can convince people that they'll be successful if they keep going (because they will) then I'd consider it a job well done.

I remember a guy who was a successful Internet marketer after completely losing his vision in an accident at work. So sometimes even people with “handicaps” can keep taking action and be successful.

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Jason Perez O'Connor

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0

And many people do.

If I can convince people that they'll be successful if they keep going (because they will) then I'd consider it a job well done.

I remember a guy who was a successful Internet marketer after completely losing his vision in an accident at work. So sometimes even people with "handicaps" can keep taking action and be successful.

Look, you're right, but you're also wrong. Perseverance can lead to success, but not everyone is cut out or able to do so for one reason or another.

I don't disagree with you completely, but I do disagree with your very short-sighted comment that there is just "one" reason why people fail.

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Davy44

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Jason Perez O'Connor

Look, you're right, but you're also wrong. Perseverance can lead to success, but not everyone is cut out or able to do so for one reason or another.

I don't disagree with you completely, but I do disagree with your very short-sighted comment that there is just "one" reason why people fail.

I agree with you and others who suggest that there are many reasons why people fail to achieve their goals in business, career or anything else. However, perseverance is an important ingredient of success. Show me one person who achieved success the easy way and I'll show you one hundred successful people who would not have made it without perseverance.

So, what is perseverance? Well, perseverance is really doing something when it is most difficult to do it. You persevere because you have to, not because you want to. The circumstances under which people persevere may be different but their motivation is always the same: They can't afford not to go on.

If you approach your online business with such mindset, I can almost guarantee you that you will succeed beyond your wildest dreams. There are millions of people achieving success online every year. Why not you? And you? And you? Why not?

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Eric 90

13 years ago

Thank you Andy,
I think this post is quit good to make people step back and think a bit.
Succes aswell ase failure is truly individual you might view something that I have done ase succes, but I could still feel miserable and see myself as a failure.

I like the dead horse analogy verry good because it's shows why popular guru qoutes like just take action ore never give up ore you have to perserve don't apply to everyone in every Situation. Sometimes you have to adjust ore go a complete different way which cane lead you to you're on success, we are all differennt.

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Well, perseverance is really doing something when it is most difficult to do it. You persevere because you have to, not because you want to. The circumstances under which people persevere may be different but their motivation is always the same: They can't afford not to go on.

If you approach your online business with such mindset, I can almost guarantee you that you will succeed beyond your wildest dreams. There are millions of people achieving success online every year. Why not you? And you? And you? Why not?

Good luck!

I have to disagree with you here
what if he is doing the wrong thing ? If you're goal is to make 1 million in 12 months and you're dead broke and the only plann you have is writting articles and selling them for 5 $ a piece i bet you're not going to mae it.

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Andyhenry 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0

If I can convince people that they'll be successful if they keep going (because they will) then I'd consider it a job well done.

Again, I can understand why you say that but I completely disagree.

Continuing to take poor actions is often the recipe for failure.

Telling people to just keep going can be a massive disservice if they don't actually have a good plan.

You could tell a midget to keep practising basketball - but there's an overwhelming probability that he'll never be able to slam-dunk the basketball.

Persistance at the wrong things is not a successful strategy.

Trying to blanket state that persistence will conquer all is really not good advice and likely to cause a lot of stress because in order to be able to track progress you need some sort of timeline in order to comprehend whether you're actually going to achieve your outcome.

Saying "I want to make $1M" with no timescale is not a great recipe for achieving it. Any kid leaving school can save a million dollars over their lifetime but unless they create a plan to do it and follow through on that plan they're unlikely to succeed, even though it's actually very simple.

Not giving your goals any time reference is a classic way to underperform.

If a newbie says they want to make $10k - if it's over 10 years most people would say they'll do it. If it's over 1 month, their answer would be different. If it's over 1 day - then again the answer will be different.

Persistence is just a small part of the puzzle..
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- iva 13 years ago
  
  I have to agree with Andy on this one.
  
  There are so many reasons people fail. For some people "being persistent" can be a reason for failure. It also really depends on a person. For one, making 10K is a success; for another - failure.
  
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  Well OK Andy.
  
  You do things your way - I'll do them my way.
  
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  Andyhenry 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0
  
  Well OK Andy.
  
  You do things your way - I'll do them my way.
  
  :-)
  
  It's not about your way or my way.
  
  I'm not actually advocating a 'way'. Just wanting to remind people that we tend to over-generalise about this stuff and forget that sometimes what we think is true (because it is for us) must be true for everyone - and it's simply not the case.
  
  I'm completely open to changing my opinions about any of this and I'm not in any way trying to advocate 'my way' for anything. So I'm not coming from a place of your way vs my way - my way is to be open to learning how to be happier and more successful, and help others be the same.
  
  I understand why you say what you say but from my perspective it comes across a little like a cult or religious ferver where you're wanting to globally apply your thinking without any logical limits.
  
  You don't necessarily 'need' persistence to be successful and having it doesn't guarantee anything - so I just can't get onboard trying to make others think it's the answer to their problems. I've seen many persistent people fail because their goals had time-constraints.
  
  Telling someone who needs to make money this month to pay their rent that they didn't fail when they get kicked out onto the street because "if they just persist they will succeed" does not help them. If a farmer doesn't tend his crops in the time they need to be tended, persisting when it's too late will not get him a bumper crop.
  
  So - I may be missing something but I am persistently trying to understand your perspective.
  
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  Andy,
  
  These people who "failed" at Internet Marketing. (For whatever reason.) And, I understand many of them.
  
  What would you recommend they do now?
  
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  Andyhenry 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0
  
  Andy,
  
  These people who "failed" at Internet Marketing. (For whatever reason.) And, I understand many of them.
  
  What would you recommend they do now?
  
  It depends on what their goals are. 'doing IM' is not a goal.
  
  IM is just a strategy - a tool that you apply to your business. Not all businesses need it and not everyone should be doing it.
  
  IM is not some blanket business model that anyone without a plan should do by default.
  
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  I'm not going to keep on about this because I've had my say.
  　
  
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  People fail for lots of reasons, lots of specific reasons.
  
  Almost every reason you can think of, can be solved by taking more action. (Unless it's something serious but even then people have succeeded in spite of overwhelming obstacles.)
  　
  
  Originally Posted by Andyhenry
  
  IM is not some blanket business model that anyone without a plan should do by default.
  
  　
  That's something we can agree on, Andy. I think that having a solid plan is important.
  
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  I am surprised nobody asked the real question behind that:
  
  What is failure?
  
  A failure is only when you give up. Otherwise it is only a feedback
  
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  Andyhenry 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by BenoitT
  
  I am surprised nobody asked the real question behind that:
  
  A failure is only when you give up. Otherwise it is only a feedback
  
  Sorry but again - that's only one definition of failure and not one that applies to everyone.
  
  Again, I understand why you would say this and it's a popular self-help/coaching mantra but it's not actually true.
  
  Yes - you can argue semantically that you can't fail while you're still trying if your definition of failure is tailored to fit that.
  
  However - if your goal is to make $50k to pay your debts off before the end of the year and have a cash deposit for a house. Only making $2k and still being in debt with no cash saved up is failure.
  
  Failure is not a bad thing - Failure IS FEEDBACK.
  
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Andyhenry

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0

Hi Andy.

I think that when it comes to making something reasonable (like $1 million) and the success is defined as to making that much, I definitely think that not taking action is the only way a person can fail.

You mention that no amount of working a bad model will succeed. So what happens when it doesn't succeed? Some people give up.

However, others keep going. They may even keep taking action after another "failure." And they're the ones who will be successful - because they kept going.

Ok - so I know where you're coming from with your comments and don't get me wrong, I definitely agree that persistence is a valuable asset to have in your corner when it comes to making good on most things so don't think I'm suggesting that persistence is inherently bad - however......

Persistence at the wrong things will never get you success.

Sometimes you need to realise that you're flogging a dead horse and change your plan and try something different.

If you ride a horse into the desert and you want water - no amount of persistence will stop your horse (and you) dying before you get it. Ride your horse in the right direction and persistence may be the thing that makes all the difference.

Many people get into IM with no real idea of what their business model is and they think a 'try a few things and see what sticks' approach is what everyone does.
Obviously it's not - but for them it may make sense and so they just have a go at a few things and hope that whatever they can get to work will end up being able to get the success they desire.

Unfortunately most things will not just work out this way by random trial and error, and often people find something that makes some money but will never produce their desired outcome but because it's the only thing they got to work they feel like they have to persist because otherwise they've failed.

In many cases stopping what they're doing and starting again with a new approach is exactly what's needed.

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Originally Posted by Andyhenry

Sometimes you need to realise that you're flogging a dead horse and change your plan and try something different.

Wouldn't that mean "Keep taking action."

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

In many cases stopping what they're doing and starting again with a new approach is exactly what's needed.

(Haha) Andy - exactly. That's exactly what I'm talking about. By doing that they're taking action and being persistent.

I appreciate your comments Andy, because you know what you're talking about. But I just can't keep this knowledge in because I think it will definitely help people.
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Brendon Zahrndt

13 years ago

It's simply a lack of effort-the only true failure-that prevents people from achieving their goals.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by dhigler

It's simply a lack of effort-the only true failure-that prevents people from achieving their goals.

That is False. Lack of time, resources, finances, etc all come into play. Some people assume that because effort was a major part in their own success that those who don't succeed AUTOMATICALLY lacked effort. Very, very short-sighted line of thinking. Many effortful folks have failed, many lazy people have fallen into success. You need circumstance as well.

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Brendon Zahrndt

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Torreylee

That is False. Lack of time, resources, finances, etc all come into play. Some people assume that because effort was a major part in their own success that those who don't succeed AUTOMATICALLY lacked effort. Very, very short-sighted line of thinking. Many effortful folks have failed, many lazy people have fallen into success. You need circumstance as well.

Sounds like excuses. Just sayin'.

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oneplusone

13 years ago

Isn't this basically about generalisations v specifics

To say there's one reason is a generalisation.

People fail for lots of reasons, lots of specific reasons.

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Andyhenry

13 years ago

Originally Posted by oneplusone

Isn't this basically about generalisations v specifics

To say there's one reason is a generalisation.

People fail for lots of reasons, lots of specific reasons.

Yes and No.

It's true about failure and success and many other things. So yes I am making the point that generalisations tend to be less useful than specifics, but more specifically - in the context of people starting threads with the title and purpose of 'telling you the one/main reason why IMers fail' like they've reached the point where they understand failure/success and are now able to enlighten the masses.

It's a very ego driven thing to do and quite often the people doing it honestly believe what they're saying but just don't realise it's not true.

That would be fine if they were offering it up as them sharing their experiences in case it's of use to others - but that's often not what happens. They're often started with a "here's how it is" - "the real truth about success and failure" perspective and they lay out what they think as though it's fact.

In reality most of the time they just want people to agree with them and tell them how clever they are for sharing their insights and they don't realise that they're misleading people and also creating false expectations for many others.

Why did I start this thread? was it to make myself sound clever or promote my particular brand of 'success strategy'? No. It was because regardless of the bad stuff that happens in this forum - I still regard it as a community with a lot of amazing people many of whom I regard as friends and while I can bite my proverbial tongue most of the time when people are spouting off their version of the truth of IM, sometimes I just need to jump in and try to get people to take a step back and remember that it's ok not to know everything. We don't have to have all the answers.

But trying to make out we have answers that apply to everyone when they don't actually hurts more people than it helps.

Newbies come to this forum and see people acting like they know it all and are making tons of money and they think this forum is full of successful people and whatever is being shared about what works (or what causes failure) is true and we're building beliefs and expectations in people. Many of which are false and only going to hurt them and cause them stress as they struggle to make progress but think everyone else seems to have cracked the code.

The stark reality of the situation is that most people here are not making any decent money. Even some of the people who are considered successful or even gurus.

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Steven Wagenheim

13 years ago

Jonathan, this reply is directed specifically to you.

You claim that the main reason for failure is essentially giving up.

I'm going to give you a very personal example to show you that you are
incorrect with your assessment. It does NOT apply to everybody.

I am a songwriter. I have been writing songs for over 30 years. I probably
know more about the art of crafting a song than anybody here at this forum.

I went to school, learned composition, went to seminars, worked with some
of the brightest and most successful people in the business trying to get
my career off the ground.

In 30 plus years of writing songs, over 800 of them, I've had ONE song
published.

It NEVER got recorded.

I haven't made ONE DIME from my songwriting efforts.

I got two honorable mentions in two separate song contests.

In my book, that is FAILURE. I have not given up. I will never give up, but
the chances of my having a career as a songwriter are slim to none.

Why?

Many reasons that have NOTHING to do with giving up and having
persistence.

1. Lack of professional level talent.
2. Massive competition
3. Simply don't have the massive amounts of time to put into it.

In fact, I have 10 songs waiting to be judged on March 31 in the latest
Great American Song Contest. One of the songs I co-wrote with fellow
Warrior HeySal.

I have lived, breathed, eaten and slept music. There were nights that I
would wake up in the middle of the night with a tune in my head and run
to the keyboards to get it down.

None of my drive, none of my determination, none of my persistence
and none of my taking action is going to overcome those 3 things I listed
above (along with plenty more) to make me successful.

It doesn't matter how hard you try. You have to have the right formula,
ingredients, whatever you want to call it, to make something work.

I don't care how many times you try to bake a cake. If you don't put
some freakin flour in it, it's not going to rise.

And yes, I think you've completely missed Andy's point. You can't
generalize people's failures. I failed in the music biz for my reasons.

Somebody else might fail for different reasons.

We're not all freakin clones. We are human beings. And as human beings
we are individuals. And as such, we all have our unique strengths and
weaknesses. It is THOSE strengths and weaknesses that cause our
successes and failures...not to mention outside forces that are sometimes
out of our control.

You're trying to sell the guru "solution in a bottle."

The problem is, that solution, once taken out of the bottle, still falls
into the hands of the person using it. And just like nitro, in the wrong
hands, it can blow up.

So sorry Jonathan but I have to disagree with you 100%.

There is no one reason for failure...for anybody.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0

Hi Steven.

I appreciate your reply. I've heard some of your songs in OT and I think they're cool. I'll be following along with the contest. :-)

I mentioned something earlier which you probably missed. I said that sport isn't like Internet Marketing. And what I meant by that is that you don't need any kind of "innate talent" to be successful.

Sure if you want to be a successful copywriter you'll probably need some of that talent. However running a "successful" home business is something any person can accomplish.

In mathematics, if you can prove just ONE instance that something is
wrong, then it's wrong.

So, I'm going to prove my one instance and then drop this discussion
because we're obviously not going to change your viewpoint and thus
will get nowhere.

Anyone?

Okay, here's your scenario.

Name: John Doe
Financial Situation: Dead Broke
Mental Capacity: Severely mentally handicapped.

In other words, he can just about tie his own shoes. He needs constant
care day and night...but...he still has a heart and a soul and wants to
have his own successful home business.

Obviously, he can't do it himself in the condition he's in.

So he has only one option...have others run it for him.

However, to do that (no, his family can't. They have enough to do just
taking care of HIM) he has to hire an outside consultant or firm to set
things up and run his affairs.

Problem...refer back to financial situation.

Sure, he can ask for donations, charity, get on YouTube with his plea,
provided he can find some way of making a video...again, money only
for his care available, and flat out beg.

But none of these are guarantees of success.

In fact, putting your whole life in a stranger's hands can be downright
dangerous as hell.

Who do you trust?

And don't think for a minute there isn't somebody out there who will take
advantage of a handicapped person.

Can this person succeed? Sure, you can argue that anything is possible,
but it's a weak argument and a cop out answer.

While anything may be possible, some things are quite improbable and the
likelihood of them happening is slim to none.

Point is, no. not everybody can run a successful home business.

We'll no doubt have this argument until time itself stops, and that's fine.

Hopefully, the people who need to hear this message and the one Andy
shared with us all will hear it.

And maybe...just maybe...it will save somebody from walking down that
dead end street trying to do something that they may very well not be
cut out for.

And with that, I respectfully bow out of the rest of this thread as I have
pretty much said all I can say on the subject.

Andy...thank you again.

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Perhaps I should recalibrate. The vast majority of people can run a successful home business. (And, if they keep going, they'll succeed.)

(Haha) What a terrible thought. I should hang my head in shame for wanting other people to be successful.

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Andyhenry

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0

Perhaps I should recalibrate. The vast majority of people can run a successful home business.

(And, if they keep going, they'll succeed.)

...

(Haha) What a terrible thought. I should hang my head in shame for wanting other people to be successful.

That's the problem here... It's not about you. You don't have to try to be right and convince the rest of us of it.

There's nothing wrong with your having your opinion and perspective - that's exactly my point here.... It only becomes a problem when you think it applies to everyone else too.

You can take away from this that you're being criticised for saying you want to help people, or that people seem to not understand that persistence can be a good quality - but that's not true and if you make it true for you - that's all on you.

Steven went to great lengths to give you an example you could've blanket apply your statements to. Not to "prove you wrong" or try to make out that you don't know what you're talking about - but simply to do exactly what I started this thread for and that - to question whether the things you've generalised to the point where you almost consider it a fact and realise that all you've done is close yourself off from the reality of things.

People are different - that's a good thing.

Success often includes failures - if you take them as lessons and continue trying to move forward - you're definitely stacking the odds in your favour.

Not everyone is cut out for every profession/pastime/sport/ etc....

Some people cannot work well without direction from others. Some people do not want to think about their career - they want to turn up and do a days work for a days pay and then spend their free time with their family. That doesn't make them a 'failed business person', it just means their preferences and priorities are different to someone chasing a career.

Not everyone is cut out for IM.

Sure you can get Sun Ming (tallest basketball player) to learn to ride a horse, but telling him he'll be the world's best jockey if he just keeps trying may not be the best career advice for him.

The thing is - it's easy to see lack of achievement at one thing as failure when it may just be feedback that you're not in alignment with your natural path.

Persisting at the wrong things leads to a life of unfulfilled dreams and feeling of failure.

There are many opportunities for most people to bring their goals into alignment with their skills, knowledge, beliefs and preferences. It's actually unfortunately common for people to think this is not possible and get started on the wrong path thinking that chasing money is essential in order to make decent money. It's only after some time when they realise they're not happy and not making good money that they step back and rethink their strategy. If they get told "just persist" they can step back on that cycle for years before they get back off.

Life is too short to waste it on the wrong things and too precious to spend feeling the lack rather than the love.

Finding your own path and not being led by others who think they know best is a big lesson for many people and in a forum like this where there are a lot of people wanting to do the leading - it's a valuable one that needs to be learned as quickly as possible.

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Michael Shook 13 years ago

It has been my experience that people who achieve success (in their own definition) have assembled their own individual meaning of the word and the path they took to get there. Sometimes they take more than one path but it was always their own path.

Lots of products and ideas are sold with the proposition that this is the BIG IDEA. Get it right and you will succeed. This can be true of course, when you change yourself around so that your life includes that big idea. if you don't, the odds that you will succeed are pretty slim.

There are plenty of folks who also have the idea that when they finally stopped running forward and just waited for a minute, that the BIG IDEA finally made sense or that it assembled itself in their minds without them doing much of anything.

That sometimes, the best ideas just show up while you are in the shower while you are thinking about nothing. That sometimes taking action actually prevents success from showing up.

Of course, then after the idea shows up, you probably have to do something with it, so I guess that is taking action. But the action is an effect of the idea, not a cause.
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Marvin Johnston

13 years ago

It is funny in a way to read the comments here, and I fully agree with Andy that everyone is different.

Andy saying that one size does not fit all (true enough) ... followed by comments saying one size does fit all (wrong) ... is just plain funny.

A way I've put it for years is don't force your limitations on me ... I have enough of my own.

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A way I've put it for years is don't force your limitations on me ... I have enough of my own.

Limitations. Limitations.

This is one of the most empowering concepts I've ever discovered.

People, literally, have the power in their hands to accomplish almost anything they want. Internet Marketing is something that anyone can be successful at. (It's not like sport.)

And, I believe, that the only reason I can fail (and the only reason why many other people can fail) is if we stop tacking action. If you think that's something of a limitation, then I can't help you.
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talfighel

13 years ago

There are so many factors that come into play when it comes to making it in this business.

There is no ONE single secret.

If you read Think And Grow Rich, this should give you what it takes to succeed online.

I really believe that it has all the secrets and important aspects to making it online and earning a decent income.

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13 years ago

Jonathan 2.0,

Basically what you're saying is that anyone can become a successful business man (IM is a business at the end of the day). The answer is NO: not everyone is cut out to create, manage and grow a successful business, just like not everyone is cut out to be an artist, a sport man, a family man, etc.

So yes, there are some innate characteristics you must have "built-in".

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13 years ago

Andy, I totally agree. I think people say this stuff more for the headline and to get their post read than because it is really true. A good, catchy, curiosity inspiring headline on your thread seems to be of paramount importance in this forum. And what could be better than "THIS is the reason you and others fail!!"

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Robert Puddy

13 years ago

Quote from Bill Cosby when asked what was the secret to success

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rcritchett

13 years ago

Good point ANDY,

I think you're touching on the fact that most people look at threads of that type (here's the one reason) and don't consider the fact that the thread starter is (in most cases) not being 100% literal, and IS only speaking from their position.

We should all be smart enough to know that people are going to speak strictly from their perspective, in a world of billions of people, with billions of experiences and billions of different angles on the same topic.

It always made me feel a bit edgy to watch people comment on other people's "here's the reason" posts with stuff like "NO, I don't agree, here's how it really is," as if there is actually ONE WAY, or one right perspective.

Cmon.

Anyway, good points my friend. Important stuff!

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sidharthbanyal

13 years ago

I think most people fail because they do not do proper planning. Planning is very important for every business. One should have business plan and he should execute that to get success. Secondly discipline plays important role. These two things if followed guarantees success.

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13 years ago

You're right. There could be many different reasons why people don't accomplish whatever goal they set out to do - and those reasons can change over time. What is important to remember is that you learn and grow from your mistakes, then reach back and help others who are struggling in the same situations you found yourself in. That's part of what Warrior Forum is all about - building relationships and helping others succeed.

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13 years ago

hey guys,
Starting your online business can yield amazing rewards but at the same time its a big risk. There are certain reasons why a person fail or succeed to his business. I don't see failure a reason for you to stop on your business path. But it can be a motivation for you to work harder, exert a lot of effort and study on the things you are lacking on. Motivate yourself and do the ACTION! Work a little hard on your business then eventually you'll see how far your actions and motivation lead you.
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dking1 13 years ago

I fully agree with you. We over generalize things but the real issue is that there are quite a number of reasons anyone can fail. The first thing is that i will like to say that FAILURE is temporary, the fact that you haven't made big money or you are not yet like the GURUS that claim to have made millions does not mean you have failed. What look like failure today may actually be an advantage because it could lead you to a great discovery of all time.Success is a process, you are probably in the process of becoming big success. Your mind is your biggest asset. What you call failure is opportunity to find out what does not work. The biggest problem is INACTION. For a whole year i paid for a domain, hosting,auto-responder and a whole internet course but i did nothing and so nothing works. Nothing works until it is worked - NO MATTER HOW GOOD A SYSTEM IS - you must shake up and work it. The real failure is when you pack up and you are not willing to try again.
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Anthony Vides

13 years ago

You are right Andy!
There are so many reasons as people in the world!
That is just an old fashion tactic to sell that nobody eats these times.
Great post!
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Soozi

13 years ago

I happen to agree with you too, there are many reasons people fail, however I think that the biggest problem is most people will not take responsibility for why they havent done so well and they blame everything and everyone else as to why they failed. Just my opinion ;-)

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Originally Posted by Soozi

I happen to agree with you too, there are many reasons people fail, however I think that the biggest problem is most people will not take responsibility for why they havent done so well and they blame everything and everyone else as to why they failed.

I think that's an important point Soozi.

Many people will blame this that and the other, rather than realizing they're in control of their success and failure.

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13 years ago

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After reading this thread again, I realized that I was being kind of stubborn and not listening to anyone.

(Sorry.)

All I wanted to accomplish is for people to have the same kind of mindset I have, because I think it will help them. However as Andy said to begin with, that can't apply to everyone and some people have definite limitations. That’s something I understand and appreciate now.

Well - I've hogged enough web space with this one, and thought I'd leave on something (kind of) “inspirational.”

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  After reading this thread again, I realized that I was being kind of stubborn and not listening to anyone.
  
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13 years ago

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AlanT

13 years ago

Personally, I believe that behind all the other reasons, there IS a single reason for success or failure.

It comes down to our own self-image, our belief in ourselves. If we truly believe that we have what it takes to succeed, we'll push through all the other factors until we reach that success.

Self-belief trumps a lack of education, or opportunity, or skill-sets. With a strong sense of self, we will correct those inadequacies if we truly desire success.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by AlanT

Personally, I believe that behind all the other reasons, there IS a single reason for success or failure.

It comes down to our own self-image, our belief in ourselves. If we truly believe that we have what it takes to succeed, we'll push through all the other factors until we reach that success.

Self-belief trumps a lack of education, or opportunity, or skill-sets. With a strong sense of self, we will correct those inadequacies if we truly desire success.

I can believe with all my heart and soul that I can
achieve a goal (or believe that I've already achieved
it) - but that does NOT make it inevitable.

There are other factors that come into success - and
failure, such as talent, ability, sufficient knowledge,
resources, etc.

I'm all for building your inner belief (a la Psycho-Cybernetics,
visualization, etc.) but belief alone is not the ONE factor
because there isn't ONE factor that applies to everyone.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Shaun OReilly

I can believe with all my heart and soul that I can
achieve a goal (or believe that I've already achieved
it) - but that does NOT make it inevitable.

Shaun

What you've said here is that your self-belief is not as strong as it could be.

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Shaun OReilly

13 years ago

Originally Posted by AlanT

What you've said here is that your self-belief is not as strong as it could be.

You may think that but that's not the case for me.

I can believe with all my heart and soul that I'm the 100m
Olympic Champion - but that doesn't mean I'm gonna beat
Usain Bolt any time soon.

(I'm 39, have decent fitness but I'm not athletic at all).

I've also been immersed in the field of Personal Development
since 1996 so I don't need many more lectures on the
importance or techniques of building of my own self-belief.

Success or failure comes down to more than just belief.

FACT.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Shaun OReilly

You may think that but that's not the case for me.

I can believe with all my heart and soul that I'm the 100m
Olympic Champion - but that doesn't mean I'm gonna beat
Usain Bolt any time soon.

(I'm 39, have decent fitness but I'm not athletic at all).

I've also been immersed in the field of Personal Development
since 1996 so I don't need many more lectures on the
importance or techniques of building of my own self-belief.

Success or failure comes down to more than just belief.

FACT.

Dedicated to mutual success,

Shaun

Making money online has nothing to do with physical abilities, therefore your example does not apply to this thread.

Besides, the 'FACT' that the world was flat turned out to be nothing more than a belief. Many other 'FACTS' have also turned out to be false, so how can any of us say that we are truly incapable of changing 'FACTS' through our beliefs, unless we try?

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Shaun OReilly

13 years ago

Originally Posted by AlanT

Making money online has nothing to do with physical abilities, therefore your example does not apply to this thread.

Besides, the 'FACT' that the world was flat turned out to be nothing more than a belief. Many other 'FACTS' have also turned out to be false, so how can any of us say that we are truly incapable of changing 'FACTS' through our beliefs, unless we try?

If you want to continue to believe that belief in yourself
is the single reason for success or failure - then that's
your choice.

I happen to believe that belief in yourself is not the
single reason for success or failure.

We'll just have to agree to disagree - agreeably.

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Originally Posted by Shaun OReilly

We'll just have to agree to disagree - agreeably.

Dedicated to mutual success,

Shaun

Agreed.

As they say, no one can change another's mind. They have to do it for themselves.

All I can do is to present what I believe to be the truth, and give you the option to consider it for yourself.
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Andyhenry

13 years ago

Originally Posted by AlanT

Personally, I believe that behind all the other reasons, there IS a single reason for success or failure.

It comes down to our own self-image, our belief in ourselves. If we truly believe that we have what it takes to succeed, we'll push through all the other factors until we reach that success.

Self-belief trumps a lack of education, or opportunity, or skill-sets. With a strong sense of self, we will correct those inadequacies if we truly desire success.

I'm not going to argue with your logic because I feel very much the same - however in the context of this thread and people starting threads with "X is the reason you're failing/succeeding" I'm still happy that it's a massive generalisation that will always have exceptions.

The point here is not whether there is one main reason for any particular person, but that no 'one' reason will ever be the only thing stopping everyone.

I think it's great to pick obstacles and share ways that we or others have overcome them and removed them so that others can benefit from lessons and experiences - but that's not what we're talking about here.

Sharing personal experiences of what works and doesn't I think is an invaluable benefit of communities like this forum.

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13 years ago

I think a lot of internet marketers fail is because they think these are get rich quick sites, when they, in fact, are not. IM takes time and it also takes work. Tons of people need to realize that.

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Cliff_OBA

13 years ago

There's some great ideas and discussion here. If you consider success and failure to be relative to the individual, and their goals, desires, what have you, then clearly there is no 'universal truth' to why someone would fail as there is no universal definition of failure. Even if you allow others to define the criteria for your own success, those definitions will still be different for different people. Everyone learns differently, is motivated by different things, responds differently to situations... the list is infinite. We're all different, in some way.

I have to say, though, that in a marketing forum I do not expect to see too many statements like "I discovered one single, amazing truth that propelled me to wealth beyond my wildest dreams, but it probably doesn't apply to everyone here". Although, in reflection, maybe I'm wrong in that - I would be much more likely to read that post. Now I have some thinking to do...

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TBInternetMarketing

13 years ago

In my opinion people fail online because they don't take action. They think they are, but they never do and then quit after a few months because they haven't made a cent.

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There have been people with strong self belief who have failed, and, people with no self belief who have succeeded. i.e. Evander Holyfield still waiting to become undisputed world champ again(hows that working out),George Foreman winning the gold medal, Rulon Gardner Gold medal(neither believed they would win they just gave it the ol college try).

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Fazal Mayar

13 years ago

good points but one thing that i find unfortunate is when people dont know what they are doing much and provide hard works just to find out what they are doing is a waste of time. Read before applying folks!

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Michael Newman

13 years ago

A breath of fresh air.

I ignore most threads with such headlines. If success requires a mix of factors, and it does, then, failure would/could be due to a mix of factors. There's a part of us that yearns for the ''secret''...for the ultimate factor for...We want short-cuts to IM Nirvana.

Life teaches us that it's not that simple. There are usually many factors at play in most situations. It's difficult to single out just one factor as the sole...

I've never bought the idea that anybody/everybody can be successful. It smacks of the ''whatever a man can conceive, he can achieve'' mantra.

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dlmore

13 years ago

Patience is the key to successful online marketer.

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THIS is the reason you and others fail!!

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