Are all Internet Marketers Victims?

Very true - can't say much more.

Yeah I totally agree with what you are saying Andrew, You are right.

The problem is, is that some people expect to come on here and make millions in a 3 step know-it-all ten minute guide and they can't even tie their own shoe laces to begin with :p (Just kiddin'.)

I think what some people should realize, is that you can't always get everything right all of the time. One part may be wrong in what they are doing that caused the mistake which halted them from succeeding and if they just step back and correct that mistake it could bring results.

Then who is at fault, you may ask? The person selling the course? Or actually is it the person who bought it, convinced that they would make millions in no time?

I think the best thing someone can do is put their hands up and learn from the mistakes they have made, but you know, it is funny because they are called mistakes and it sounds all bad but they can be very beneficial because, if you are truly determined you won't make the same mistake twice and come out on top.

Nice post it's a shame more people don't think like you!

As a victim, you can't just take responsibility for failures. By that same token, a victim also should not be able to take responsibility for successes, although I'm sure that happens a lot. Successful business owners have pulled away from the victim mentality and realized that they are directly responsible for everything in their lives.

Real talk man, only you can create your own success. Handle it.

Absolutely. That's the key to every success or failure in life. Take responsibility and learn from it and move on or repeat the cycle over and over again and blame everyone else.

There will always be failures in Internet marketing and it is those that can learn from their mistakes and not give up that will come out winners in the end. many new people come into this business thinking that there is easy money to be made and unfortunately these slick sales pages do not help.

If people only took the time to learn the basics before they jumped in and splashed their cash around on every "get rich overnight product that is promoted". This is a long term business and that is how it should be looked at.

Kim

I agree. You have to take responsibility and learn from your mistakes.

I always remind myself that my failures are only failures if I fail to learn from them. This helps me dust off and keep running.

Lol. In my corporate days, we didn't call that "victim mentality"; it was just known as office politics.

Of course, the irony is that most people who have or develop a strong sense of personal responsibility such as your employers are keen to foster, usually end up starting their own businesses.


Frank

And the rest are all "Give me $27, and I'll tell you."

There's a scene in the movie "The Grifters" where a young con man is badgering an old con man to teach him. The old con man tells the young con man "Okay, I'll give you a lesson. Give me a $20 bill." The young con man does, and the old one stuffs it in his pocket, saying "Come back tomorrow, and I'll teach you some more."

Most of us in the audience smile knowingly and nod.

But to look at the kind of people who get into IM, they keep walking up to the experienced guy and handing him the $20. Every day. Sometimes several times a day. And then they start crying "Why do I still not know what's going on?"

Well, honestly, with con men and salesmen and marketers and product vendors... it's all kind of the same thing. The lesson is that you did not get what you wanted because you were not looking in the right place. You keep saying "it's all rehashed crap," which is sort of like the young con man thinking "but that's the same pocket he put it in last time."

Frank Kern does this thing that amazes people when I point it out. He'll say something like "I don't use a lot of NLP. In fact, I only know one NLP pattern, and I'm not very good with it." And then, for twelve pages, he will HAMMER you with the "presupposition" pattern from NLP, over and over and over again.

Or he'll say "What you have to do is tell people something really obvious they already know, and pretend it's an astounding revelation." And then, after talking about that a little, he'll say "the fact is, people like to buy from people who agree with them" and then talk about how astounding that is. He'll actually USE the word "astounding." He'll actually CALL it a "revelation." And he'll actually say OUT LOUD that "you'd think this would just be obvious."

He'll do everything except hit you on the head with a mallet and yell "I'M DOING WHAT I JUST TOLD YOU ABOUT, NUMBSKULL."

Look at all his marketing lessons. He'll give you a very short lesson about something important... and then he'll walk away from that lesson and let you watch him do it. For several pages. Or minutes, on a video. And the only way you really learn from it is to stop being taken in by his example, and understand that the small lesson was the real one, while the big one is just an example of the small one.

Do you know how I buy products now? It will blow your mind.

I pay for the quality of the sales page. I don't even care what it's selling.

And once I click the buy button, I start analysing the sales funnel. Okay, here's an OTO. Back up, leave, okay there's an exit pop. I stay on the page, there's a downsell. Okay, back up, hit the buy button again. Still getting the OTO; say no... okay, same downsell. Turn it down, see what happens. All right, back up, bookmark the OTO. Open in a new tab.

Sometimes I get through the whole process over $100 lighter in the PayPal account, and I don't even care if I ever download the product. Because I just got $1,000 worth of education in how this marketer builds his sales funnels.

Do you think Kevin Riley or Brian McLeod or Jason Fladlien or Robert Plank would sit down and explain to me how their sales funnel works? Not over three hours for $100. Hell, no. Maybe 20 minutes just because they're flattered I asked. Maybe an hour for $250. Maybe they have a sales funnel product I can buy. But it is one hell of a bargain to just step through the funnel.

I've got three products on my hard drive right now that I haven't even looked at, because I just wanted to see the sales funnel.

But those people who have been fooled 86 times think the sales page and the buy button and the sales funnel and the payment page are the wall between them and their product. They race past all of them, trying to get to the "real" lesson.

They've missed it.

And before I figured out that this "wall" was what I really needed to be studying, I went back through a boatload of products and looked them over to reverse-engineer what made them good or bad products. Which is where you can start. Take the product you can't sell for crap, and compare it to the product that just flies out the gate. What is different about them? There has to be something. Right?

It took far longer than it should for me to realise the people buying them aren't comparing the bad product to the good one. They don't have the product. And you would be AMAZED how many people hear me say that and nod, slowly, waiting for me to explain.

Look, seriously, if you don't get that the products are still on the other side of the wall when you click the buy button... I can't help you. That has to sink in. Until you hit the buy button, you are just looking at a sales page. That's all. That's what you're using to make your decision. The quality of the product doesn't enter the picture until AFTER you hit the buy button.

Now go back over this post and read it again until you understand what I did here.

If my next project fails, I will blame this thread for putting me in the wrong state of mind. If this thread for some reason gets deleted, then I will blame society.

Amazing post, fellas.

Right now there are 2900 people viewing the WSO Section.

..... 2900.

I know a some of them are the successful guys, learning new things to see if they can implement a new strategy to scale their current ones or get another source of income.

But a lot of them- (I know because I was there before)- are the guys who just cant get enough about learning the greatest new trick.... but they never implement it.

....the problem is, once you pick up that shiny coin (method) and put it in your pocket for a day or two (a folder on your computer), it loses its shine and you find a new shiny one to check out....

It really takes hard work and determination to be a successful internet marketer. And continue learning...

Re: Are all Internet Marketers Victims?


Only the ones who choose to be...

Some great replies here, the more you look at self development and get an understanding of why the people who are at the top of the field are doing it makes you realise they haven't got to the top by accident.

Moral of the story, invest in yourself and realise that it takes hard work and you will have to overcome some big mental hurdles to achieve success.

Very well said. I believe investing in a coach/mentor is the best route to take, I have a few and I defnitely don't regret it. It helps you avoid a lot of pitfalls.

Very well said. Just learn from mistakes. Like everybody said, failure/mistakes is the best experience to get better.

Reminds me of the Carpenters mantra "I've cut this board three times and it's still too short."

Become a player but yes, dont scam people.

Help people and offer good info, do this and do this well and watch the money come to you.

this could not be put more simple than this...... you are 110% right and this is how it goes with so many people today in society..... the blame game is what i like to call it......

if i think about your word , it's quite true , someone must stop to blame the other...

Hi,

I am new to IM and this forum. I appreciated what you had said and agree that when we fail, we must not point our fingers at others. We should start analysing ourselves to see if we made any errors and learn.

Totally agree, you can't blame anyone for your misfortunes, well you can but its not going to help you to get you where you want to be.