Competition with Close Colleagues/Friends

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I have an old buddy, good friend of mine, and we grew up together doing pretty much the same thing, and getting really good at it. Throughout our time we've always had a, sort of, unspoken competition between us. This actually is a good reason why we're both so talented today in the area of interest that we grew up learning together. This is where it gets tricky.

We are both doing our respective things, and are both very happy for each other. There really is no direct competition, but I think it's gotten to the point where our opinions can massively sway the other's opinions, just because we trust each other so much. It's strange how if most people give me some sort of criticism, I brush it off no problem, but when it's my best friend and closest colleague, even if he doesn't know much about what I'm doing, he criticism's can throw me off, and vice versa. Even weirder, and probably more appropriate to my issue at hand, when MY criticism's throw HIM off, the fact that I threw him off (aka, make him butt hurt with honest critique) having thrown HIM off, then I get thrown off cause I feel bad or confused. How funked up is that? And it's not just criticism, but being around each other when the other is presenting a project of hisown, basically anything related to our careers. We just know each other so well. So, in other words, I'm thrown off by this guy, I lose my power with him. And it's all innocent, most of the time.

There is a lot of history between us, we are total opposites in terms of how we approach business, a project, managements, etc., often to both our detriment when we work together, so we don't. We are best friends, we share the fact that we both have PASSION and that we do often give each great advice that is taken well. But sometimes, I'd really like to get away from the psychic bond that we have, in terms of going my own path, which I've been doing for a while, but I feel like I still get tugged into his. I know it's just in my head, but I often feel as though: if I'm not in agreement with this cat, that I am missing some bigger picture, or that something is faulted in my character or practices. Thanks everyone.
#close #colleagues or friends #competition
  • Profile picture of the author TheNameless1
    NO ONE, huh? Too close to home? Or totally alien?
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  • Profile picture of the author Michela
    Have you spoken with your friend about this? If you have, what does he think about it? If you haven't, why not?
    Ask yourself honestly why his criticism throws you off.
    If that keeps happening, why are you both still presenting projects for critique?
    Maybe you should leave that part of your friendship aside. Focus on being friends and enjoying each other's company, maybe. See how that feels.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheNameless1
    Thanks Michela, I regret to say that we're way past that point. We already agreed, long ago, that we shouldn't be working together. I feel as though the accountability and integrity on is part is low, and he feels that I am too overbearing and bossy, but that's another story. Yea, we're just friends, and we know each other's fields, so it's hard NOT to present each other with what we're doing. It is true, I look to him, and vice versa, for validity. I'm the logical guy, business minded, step one, step two, etc. I can take an idea and make it happen, but I often look to people for good ideas. He is the visionary, the artiste, gives energy to the room, and feeds off everyone else's, comes up with ideas, but has no lasting accountability, and completely shuts down when people aren't feeding him excitement. We're like yin and yang (he's the yin!).

    It's like an ancient neuron system in my brain that is part of my identity. Just writing this post has put the spot light on the polluted connection we have. I'm allowing this awareness of it to grow. It's gonna be tough, but I think I can get past it. Thanks for responding, Michela.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michela
      Can you talk about this together and how you could possibly share ideas/critiques etc from what you've identified as his talent as visionary and yours as a systems person, the one who works out the steps to make those ideas a reality?

      I think I am beginning to understand a little more about the connection between you. I had a friendship with someone, very similar in many ways (not romantic). He was the talented visionary, I took action on his ideas, with his permission and participation. It became too stifling in the end and had to be changed. It's a shame you see part of your connection as "polluted". I get it.

      There are some effective and pretty simple things you can do to clear but not end that connection, so the energy between and around you both is clearer and less complex. It might make a difference. Let me know if you're interested.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheNameless1
    The simple answer is, and you can ask the dozens of others who have this similar problem with him, No. It's been talked about. That's why we've remained friends after agreeing not to work together. I've been through those issues with him a million times, and trust me, no matter how much rationale you give him, he is stuck in his own head.

    I didn't really post to discuss our specific problems that we have had in the past, because I'm not longer affiliated with him unless he needs some stuff done. For the record, I would never ask him for anything, because he can't held accountable. I'm OK with helping him, though.

    The problem is he is a charismatic person, manipulative, always sees how he can jockey a situation, and he's y best friend. Not only that, he respects me, because I can easily help him to see his BS. I'm fine not working with him; completely. I just have no idea what I would talk with him about... I've said it a million times you know? It's like telling someone to rewire their brain from the DNA up. And it's not my place anymore either. There's just that lingering... pattern that is there. Like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, they did respect each other, they even admired each other, but you know the rest.

    This is a sensitive topic, hell it's a compromising topic. I'm just starting out, again, in working a business. I guess I took a hiatus bout 6 years back because of the bad shit that goes on between business partners (this was one of the many projects he was involved in).

    Wow, that must be it. I guess I'm associating my feelings toward business with what happened with my old businesses that he was involved in years back when I was hanging by a thread starting out. Man, it was BAAAD. Almost ruined two friendships. Scared me away from business for 6 years. Had me set on not having a partner, and if absolutely necessary, make sure your partner isn't a friend. Hmm, gettin closer to the issue at hand, I suppose.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michela
      Originally Posted by TheNameless1 View Post

      The simple answer is, and you can ask the dozens of others who have this similar problem with him, No. It's been talked about. That's why we've remained friends after agreeing not to work together. I've been through those issues with him a million times, and trust me, no matter how much rationale you give him, he is stuck in his own head.

      I didn't really post to discuss our specific problems that we have had in the past, because I'm not longer affiliated with him unless he needs some stuff done. For the record, I would never ask him for anything, because he can't held accountable. I'm OK with helping him, though.

      The problem is he is a charismatic person, manipulative, always sees how he can jockey a situation, and he's y best friend. Not only that, he respects me, because I can easily help him to see his BS. I'm fine not working with him; completely. I just have no idea what I would talk with him about... I've said it a million times you know? It's like telling someone to rewire their brain from the DNA up. And it's not my place anymore either. There's just that lingering... pattern that is there. Like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, they did respect each other, they even admired each other, but you know the rest.

      This is a sensitive topic, hell it's a compromising topic. I'm just starting out, again, in working a business. I guess I took a hiatus bout 6 years back because of the bad shit that goes on between business partners (this was one of the many projects he was involved in).

      Wow, that must be it. I guess I'm associating my feelings toward business with what happened with my old businesses that he was involved in years back when I was hanging by a thread starting out. Man, it was BAAAD. Almost ruined two friendships. Scared me away from business for 6 years. Had me set on not having a partner, and if absolutely necessary, make sure your partner isn't a friend. Hmm, gettin closer to the issue at hand, I suppose.
      OK so your talking has been done.
      You know him.
      He knows you.
      You know you can't work together, and don't.
      You say you are OK with this.

      Then this:
      Originally Posted by TheNameless1 View Post

      There's just that lingering... pattern that is there.
      Just a thought - him or you? Who is hooking in to the old pattern?

      Originally Posted by TheNameless1 View Post

      I guess I'm associating my feelings toward business with what happened with my old businesses that he was involved in years back when I was hanging by a thread starting out.
      Fear. Trust. Letting go. This business is the six-year-older you. It's really good actually that this stuff is coming up for you now.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheNameless1
    Yes, I absolutely think it's me hooking the pattern. I'm not blaming him for my hang ups. I wrote the post to maybe get some insight on how to look at this kind of thing differently. And yea, I just have to keep revealing, and keep integrating it. If I don't ignore it, then I can integrate it fully. I know this sounds really weird, and possibly gay, but I'll tell ya, this guy is compelling. If he could hone his accountability, he would really have it. Thanks Michela, I guess we don't have to beat this one any longer.
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