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  • Profile picture of the author dlundy1
    foolishness.
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  • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    this is not the forum for me to respond to this type of post ..but i find recently ..more and more places people are adressing this..

    let me say the the god jesus talks about.. which is not the god the church talks about .. is like a father.. who loves you and will provide for you.. and just wants your love ..

    not worship.. the only way to truly glorify god is to live the best ..most joyfull and loving life walking the path of a co creator with god ..not getting on your knees and begging for forgivness ..for sins that god doesn't even acknowledge
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    • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

      this is not the forum for me to respond to this type of post ..but i find recently ..more and more places people are adressing this..

      let me say the the god jesus talks about.. which is not the god the church talks about .. is like a father.. who loves you and will provide for you.. and just wants your love ..

      not worship.. the only way to truly glorify god is to live the best ..most joyfull and loving life walking the path of a co creator with god ..not getting on your knees and begging for forgivness ..for sins that god doesn't even acknowledge
      This is idiocy... This is all opinion based on your own personal belief. "The church" is such a broad term that I can't believe you would generalize it like that. What church? The catholic church? The pentecostal church? Apostolic church? Baptist church? And countless other churches in just the Christian faith?

      If you are talking about the God Jesus talks about, then how can you say that God doesn't want your worship? The Bible says differently. For sins that God doesn't acknowledge? The bible says differently once again. Now, the question is, is the God that Jesus talks about, the same God that is talked about in the Bible? If so, then your logic doesn't work. If not, then how do you get your information?

      I agree with you, that you should live your life with love, and joy, but to mention Jesus and then say the things you said is ignorant. Not ignorant as in stupid, but ignorant as the state of not knowing.
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      • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
        Ponder on this for a moment...

        Would you rather worship God doing all the things worship entails and find out you were wrong about Him upon death or not worship God and all that it entails and find out you were wrong about Him upon death?

        Terra
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        • Profile picture of the author AlexFromSeattle
          Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

          Ponder on this for a moment...Would you rather worship God doing all the things worship entails and find out you were wrong about Him upon death or not worship God and all that it entails and find out you were wrong about Him upon death? Terra
          What you formulated is Pascal's Wager.

          Beautifully answered by Hitchens: y2u.be/X94YffpUryo
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          • Profile picture of the author robestrong
            I have something (unbiased) to say.

            Regardless of your belief in a god (or God as the case may be), there have been a number of studies done that have demonstrated the positive benefits of religion in general. I'd like to add that the person who presented these studies was an unbeliever and an agnostic. Here are several key points:

            # Meditation/Prayer/Worship/What have you
            # Sticking to a set of basic rules
            # Being self controlling in terms of alcohol, sex, and other difficult to control urges
            # General emphasis put on self control and self discipline to varying degrees as opposed to more focus on "living in the moment" and throwing responsibilities to the wind

            Among other points that are incorporated into most religions.

            These benefits have had a large number of benefits both to the overall quality of life, length of life length (although in that area, the social end of it is more prevalent, but still doesn't nearly account for everything). Additionally, will power and self control, things which have been time and time again linked far more strongly to success than any other characteristic (such as intelligence), are far stronger.

            Furthermore, it's been evidenced that people who are generally successful and happy while being a non-believer of any form of faith have simply replaced these key points with their own, secular adaptations that have similar affects (such as meditation, a nutrition regimen, and the 7 habits of successful people for example) -- adding on sets of rules and an underlying structure to their lives.

            Depending on your personal views, you could see these benefits as obvious benefits for being religious, or as some of the reasons that religion is so prevalent. I don't care which you believe.

            But again, regardless of your view on religion, it's impact upon society at least in terms of success, will power, and general quality and length of life have been and continue to be huge.

            Personally I'm still somewhat undecided on my own religious views, but at the same time, I still respect it based on the raw statistics that unbiased parties have discovered, and have been cross referenced and peer reviewed and deemed as valid.
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            • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
              Originally Posted by robestrong View Post

              I have something (unbiased) to say.

              Regardless of your belief in a god (or God as the case may be), there have been a number of studies done that have demonstrated the positive benefits of religion in general. I'd like to add that the person who presented these studies was an unbeliever and an agnostic. Here are several key points:

              # Meditation/Prayer/Worship/What have you
              # Sticking to a set of basic rules
              # Being self controlling in terms of alcohol, sex, and other difficult to control urges
              # General emphasis put on self control and self discipline to varying degrees as opposed to more focus on "living in the moment" and throwing responsibilities to the wind

              Among other points that are incorporated into most religions.

              These benefits have had a large number of benefits both to the overall quality of life, length of life length (although in that area, the social end of it is more prevalent, but still doesn't nearly account for everything). Additionally, will power and self control, things which have been time and time again linked far more strongly to success than any other characteristic (such as intelligence), are far stronger.

              Furthermore, it's been evidenced that people who are generally successful and happy while being a non-believer of any form of faith have simply replaced these key points with their own, secular adaptations that have similar affects (such as meditation, a nutrition regimen, and the 7 habits of successful people for example) -- adding on sets of rules and an underlying structure to their lives.

              Depending on your personal views, you could see these benefits as obvious benefits for being religious, or as some of the reasons that religion is so prevalent. I don't care which you believe.

              But again, regardless of your view on religion, it's impact upon society at least in terms of success, will power, and general quality and length of life have been and continue to be huge.

              Personally I'm still somewhat undecided on my own religious views, but at the same time, I still respect it based on the raw statistics that unbiased parties have discovered, and have been cross referenced and peer reviewed and deemed as valid.
              I understand what you are saying completely, however these studies don't touch upon the spirit, soul, energy, whichever you prefer, after the human body that houses it finally gives out. A very important factor to consider, imho.

              @ AlexFromSeattle ~ I've never heard of it before. Are you saying that is a good thing, or not so much?:confused:

              Terra
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              • Profile picture of the author AlexFromSeattle
                Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                @ AlexFromSeattle ~ I've never heard of it before. Are you saying that is a good thing, or not so much?:confused:Terra
                Pascal's Wager is both foolish and cynical at its foundation. It tells non-believers that even if you don't find religion or the existence of god intellectually compelling, it's worth your while to pretend it is. Just pretend it all makes sense, and you just might be able to sneak yourself into heaven.

                Its also presumes that god - despite being all powerful, omniscient, all-seeing and perfect - is going to be fooled by your pretense of belief and let you into heaven.

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_Wager
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                • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                  Originally Posted by AlexFromSeattle View Post

                  Pascal's Wager is both foolish and cynical at its foundation. It tells non-believers that even if you don't find religion or the existence of god intellectually compelling, it's worth your while to pretend it is. Just pretend it all makes sense, and you just might be able to sneak yourself into heaven.

                  Its also presumes that god - despite being all powerful, omniscient, all-seeing and perfect - is going to be fooled by your pretense of belief and let you into heaven.
                  I see and I have to agree with the foolishness of Pascal on that point.

                  However, what I was suggesting is nothing close to what Pascal suggests.

                  If one truly understands what worship means, then they will see that pretending just cannot fit into true worship. If you are pretending, then you are not truly worshiping.

                  Worship is everything we think, everything we say, and everything we do, thereby revealing that which we treasure and value most in life. Nope, no room for pretenders!

                  Terra
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      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
        Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

        This is idiocy... This is all opinion based on your own personal belief. "The church" is such a broad term that I can't believe you would generalize it like that. What church? The catholic church? The pentecostal church? Apostolic church? Baptist church? And countless other churches in just the Christian faith?
        yes there are some 20 thousand or more different sects of christianity in the world today ..so pardon me for not knowing the god each one of them believes in.. i do know the God Jesus talks about ..

        now this isn't the forum to go into this.. but if you believe God created humanity in his image .. and you believe Jesus described God as the father ..

        do you yourself want your children to worship you .. or as a good parent i believe you want to support your children in becoming the best they can be .

        my knowing comes from a much different perspective ..life has many times pushed me to my knees ..God told me how to get up ..or has led me too the knowledge of how to get up ..

        if we where to argue or discuss ..in some other place.. i would much prefer us discuss from points where neither of us is write or wrong ..but from where we stand we see the same god.. but from different perspectives ..
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        Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

        This is idiocy... This is all opinion based on your own personal belief. "The church" is such a broad term that I can't believe you would generalize it like that. What church? The catholic church? The pentecostal church? Apostolic church? Baptist church? And countless other churches in just the Christian faith?

        If you are talking about the God Jesus talks about, then how can you say that God doesn't want your worship? The Bible says differently. For sins that God doesn't acknowledge? The bible says differently once again. Now, the question is, is the God that Jesus talks about, the same God that is talked about in the Bible? If so, then your logic doesn't work. If not, then how do you get your information?

        I agree with you, that you should live your life with love, and joy, but to mention Jesus and then say the things you said is ignorant. Not ignorant as in stupid, but ignorant as the state of not knowing.


        I have to agree with I am nameless comments

        any personal beliefs or relationship you have with your creator is personal and does NOT need a buffer as in church to facilitate this.

        the real value of any church is solely to mingle with like minded individuals to help support your views.

        same as in any association
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  • Profile picture of the author Young Financier
    Why not just forget about the god nonsense altogether?
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