Contacting others without sounding whiny or intrusive

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I fishing hate myself for feeling that. I wish I knew how to act or write so that I don't sound whiny or intrusive.
I guess many of us have that problem. Getting to personal. How do you arrange contacts so it doesn't become to personal and awkward.
Just writing this is awkward
But I think it is essential to have contacts to get the internet marketing going.
Another thing that is awkward is ending a mail with best regards or yours sincerely every time I post to that person. Feels kind of robotic.

Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author AlexanderBeloev
    Originally Posted by Nattsurfaren View Post

    I fishing hate myself for feeling that. I wish I knew how to act or write so that I don't sound whiny or intrusive.
    I guess many of us have that problem. Getting to personal. How do you arrange contacts so it doesn't become to personal and awkward.
    Just writing this is awkward
    But I think it is essential to have contacts to get the internet marketing going.
    Another thing that is awkward is ending a mail with best regards or yours sincerely every time I post to that person. Feels kind of robotic.

    Cheers
    Hey there,

    Writing on a forum regularly is enough I think to make a lot of contacts with people.

    You do not need to contact them personally.

    What do you mean with having contacts to get the IM going. Do you mean just knowing about them and the opposite or to meet them in the real live?

    Thx in advance
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  • Profile picture of the author Broyde
    Don't be too hard on yourself.

    I would tell you to work with your message until you feel as if it is something worth sending out. Make your messages the best that you can and then just remember that you are only dealing with other people.

    Give something good, and let the chips fall where they may. If you send something and there is a problem then you would just know one thing to do differently next time.

    How about CHEERS...does saying Cheers sound robotic.

    Cheers Nattsurfaren
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  • Profile picture of the author WarrenPeterson
    It takes time, but it is a skill you can learn. Don't worry about 'writing', and instead think of yourself as talking to your contact.

    You can even get a talk-to-type program, and actually talk to your contact.

    For your closing, say whatever you want, and whatever is natural for you. You can even come up with something that is uniquely for your contacts.

    One of my sites is about home theater. I end all emails with this: "On with the show! -Warren"

    So, just think about talking to your contacts, as if they were sitting at a casual lunch with you. Don't worry about writing to them, just talk with them.

    Sincerely, Warren
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  • Profile picture of the author jaybenoit
    That is the one thing you DON'T want to do is be robotic with your statements.

    Just like any kind of social gathering or party you may go to I always just mingle and start communicating with small talk until I understand the "rules" of engagement depending on the place I am at weather it be virtual (on the internet) or in real life.

    When sending email to an email list I suggest you just be a real person. Don't just write emails that are marketing a product to someone, write an email that markets "yourself" and then introduce a product. It is just like if you walk into a party, do you just walk up to someone and say "Hey, buy my awesome stuff over here". I HOPE NOT.... You would actually engage them and communicate getting to know each other. Then when opportunity exists you can promote a product / service. This actually gets your email list subscribers to follow you, not just signup on your email list and then immediately unsubscribe after you pound them will a million different affiliate offers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    You're like me, I am extremely shy, but you sound worse than me

    You will get over it. I am camera shy and never tried to make videos, and now I can't keep my ugly face or voice off of videos

    Stick around the WF and all that shyness will leave you sooner or later
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    • Profile picture of the author Nattsurfaren
      I have figured there is different levels and benefits with how you contact people.

      1. Forum.
      Not personal and no privacy but many people can read and give advice and you can respond when it suit you.

      2. PM, E-Mail
      More personal and you can share ideas that you don't want to do publicly. Not good I think for keeping a flow of your projects.

      3. Chat (typing), Skype for example
      Even more personal and you can bounce ideas in a constant flow and get help instantly.

      4. Skype with audio and video
      High level of personal contacts but if you aren't a fluent speaker it will cause problem. For option 3 the other thinks that you just become busy if you don't know how to express yourself

      5. Real contact in real life.
      Is the most personal and you can see if the other person is sincere. The downside is that you have to plan usually someone have to travel.


      I would prefer number 3 I think because I can have problem expressing myself and you can keep the ball running for a while without having to wait until someone kicks it rolling again as you would with option 1 and 2.

      Cheers
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      • Profile picture of the author Nattsurfaren
        LexiB
        So it is how to express yourself in a professional way that helped you?
        Make sense.

        Don't know there could also be a numbers game like selling affiliate products. No matter how bad it is someone will buy it eventually if there is enough time and traffic.

        What about:
        Hi I know you have your skype contact information available. Can I contact you and bounce some ideas that I have.

        This sound a bit awkward to me and maybe to personal but I really don't know. I sometime feel that I'm expressing myself like a drunk monkey. I'm not the talkative type really and regrettably unsocial often which has been a thorn my whole life. Sucks.
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        • Profile picture of the author LexiB
          Originally Posted by Nattsurfaren View Post

          LexiB
          So it is how to express yourself in a professional way that helped you?
          Make sense.

          Don't know there could also be a numbers game like selling affiliate products. No matter how bad it is someone will buy it eventually if there is enough time and traffic.

          What about:
          Hi I know you have your skype contact information available. Can I contact you and bounce some ideas that I have.

          This sound a bit awkward to me and maybe to personal but I really don't know. I sometime feel that I'm expressing myself like a drunk monkey. I'm not the talkative type really and regrettably unsocial often which has been a thorn my whole life. Sucks.
          It depends who you are contacting. If you are contacting me, the whole 'hey, can I skype you so we can mastermind a bit' will work. Try that with Jeff Walker and you'll get ignored. He probably won't even read the email. But if you shot his audience a personalized video, sent it to him on a DVD and wrote that letter, he may just reply.

          I learned that tactic in Total Product Blueprint by Brendon Burchard and it works well if you do it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nattsurfaren
      Originally Posted by Alex Blades View Post

      You're like me, I am extremely shy, but you sound worse than me

      You will get over it. I am camera shy and never tried to make videos, and now I can't keep my ugly face or voice off of videos

      Stick around the WF and all that shyness will leave you sooner or later
      Making videos where I put my face up in public isn't really my thing. Even if I'm not that shy that you were. I'm also against putting my self on facebook and let the whole world know about my family and friends. I wouldn't like having a hater becoming extra creative and use my public information to make a fubar out of me.
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      • Profile picture of the author Nattsurfaren
        It depends who you are contacting. If you are contacting me, the whole 'hey, can I skype you so we can mastermind a bit' will work. Try that with Jeff Walker and you'll get ignored. He probably won't even read the email. But if you shot his audience a personalized video, sent it to him on a DVD and wrote that letter, he may just reply.

        I learned that tactic in Total Product Blueprint by Brendon Burchard and it works well if you do it.
        I understand that. I also understand that people with a bit more fame get lots of e-mails.
        Still I would prefer someone relatively unknown over a public figure because a public figure probably would have high expectation of my skills and I would doubt that I'm the right person for him or her.
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        • Profile picture of the author Nattsurfaren
          It is just like if you walk into a party, do you just walk up to someone and say "Hey, buy my awesome stuff over here". I HOPE NOT.... You would actually engage them and communicate getting to know each other. Then when opportunity exists you can promote a product / service.
          I actually read something about that and it was term for this that I don't remember.
          A person that doesn't sell directly but instead gets acquainted with others to create opportunities.
          It is also very similar to what you are trying to tell me how to approach people that I'm contacting. I agree with you.
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        • Profile picture of the author LexiB
          Originally Posted by Nattsurfaren View Post

          I understand that. I also understand that people with a bit more fame get lots of e-mails.
          Still I would prefer someone relatively unknown over a public figure because a public figure probably would have high expectation of my skills and I would doubt that I'm the right person for him or her.
          They weren't born a 'public figure'. No one was. If you're honest and sincere in your approach, some of them will talk to you. I've done it and the ones I've met, worked with and learned from were all pretty humble guys (and one girl).
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      • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
        Originally Posted by Nattsurfaren View Post

        Making videos where I put my face up in public isn't really my thing. Even if I'm not that shy that you were. I'm also against putting my self on facebook and let the whole world know about my family and friends. I wouldn't like having a hater becoming extra creative and use my public information to make a fubar out of me.
        You don't have to put yourself or family on facebook, but you do have to put face on your brand. Once you realize that, you will have no problem showing your face on video. There is a saying, "A closed mouth, don't get fed "
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        • Profile picture of the author Nattsurfaren
          Originally Posted by Alex Blades View Post

          You don't have to put yourself or family on facebook, but you do have to put face on your brand. Once you realize that, you will have no problem showing your face on video. There is a saying, "A closed mouth, don't get fed "
          I tried the facebook thing once. I choosed an e-mail I though was relatively unknown and suddenly facebook started to spider all kind of private contacts I didn't want to show. I was chocked and impressed at the same time that it could figure out so much details of me.

          There should be a choice I think what type of role I would like to have when doing internet marketing. When selling my product then my details should be used. when selling other products the other company details should be used. That is how I see it. If I would do affiliate marketing with a product that is not mine then I should have a choice if I'm comfortable putting my face in public. I wouldn't do that also because I suck in doing that and I would pay someone on fiverr to do that instead.
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  • Profile picture of the author LexiB
    I wouldn't worry about being intrusive if you are contacting the people in the correct way. It seems to me like you're looking for JV partners or something to mentor you or whatever.

    I'll tell you exactly how I did it.

    For 2 years I wrote - "Hey can you help me" or "hey can you promote my stuff...TODAY?"

    And no one answered.

    Then I got some training (paid for it) and learned the right way. About 10 months ago I started writing..

    "Hey, my name is Lexi. I just wanted to write you quick to say how much I appreciate (product). Since we are creating and selling the same information, I know my circle of influence would love (product) as well. Before I mentioned it to my audience, I wanted to get your permission first.

    Also, you probably saw the DVD in the package I sent. I shot some really cool content just for your audience. Feel free to use it however you want. I'm sure you'll find it valuable and I know they will too. For ease of access, I uploaded the video to my site here >> (LINK).

    Let me know what you think about me promoting (product).

    Talk soon,
    Lexi"

    This was a real letter, hand written and packaged with DVD shipped via FedEx.

    I shot a short 10 minute video of some really cool content then I sent it out to every big name JV partner I could find in the niche I was working in. Not all of them replied obviously but I got a bunch of great connects out of it.

    Now whenever I get into a niche that I'm actually going to be creating products in I do the same thing and it works every time.
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  • Profile picture of the author onSubie
    You could literally use Lexi's letter as a swipe file. Not without her permission, of course, but it is a great example:

    1. Introduce yourself! Many people don't even do that much. Including you in the example request for a Skype contact you posted.

    Hey, my name is Lexi.

    2. Show appreciation for them and that you know something about them. It doesn't have to be a product, it could be a thread you both commented on, the city you both live in, saw that they liked fishing.

    I just wanted to write you quick to say how much I appreciate (product).

    3. Explain why you may share a common interest in connecting.

    Since we are creating and selling the same information, I know my circle of influence would love (product) as well.


    4. Always ask permission.

    Before I mentioned it to my audience, I wanted to get your permission first.


    5. Do something specific for them or offer to do something for them with no strings in appreciation of their time. Don't just say "I have lots of skills so let me know if you ever need a hand". And make it easy for them to access.

    Also, you probably saw the DVD in the package I sent. I shot some really cool content just for your audience. Feel free to use it however you want. I'm sure you'll find it valuable and I know they will too. For ease of access, I uploaded the video to my site here >> (LINK).

    6. Then ask for what you want.

    Let me know what you think about me promoting (product).

    In marketing everyone networks. It is how business and work get done. So nobody is going to be shocked that someone approaches them and asks for a contact, or help or a partnership. It is part of the business.

    But it is how you go about making contacts and how you show what you bring to the table and the mutual benefit of any relationship.

    Mahlon
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  • Profile picture of the author JasonBennet
    I will personally try to introduce myself first and try to understand the other party. This is great as they can feel that you are trying to understand them. I will do that before I start to promote any products to them.

    To overcome your shyness, why not attend the local meetups or local networking event. Haha once you are there, you are being forced to talk and network with people. It seems very scary but once you go through it, you will find that it is not so scary after awhile and it might even be fun
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  • Profile picture of the author mialove
    Wow.
    I feel so embarrassing now.
    With my "perfect" English skills i just say something like:
    "Hey, i have a great site with exclusive , interesting content, would you like to promote each other? Here is the pass to my members area to check out.

    After reading Lexy email template, its feels super unprofessional and bad looking.
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    • Profile picture of the author LexiB
      Originally Posted by mialove View Post

      Wow.
      I feel so embarrassing now.
      With my "perfect" English skills i just say something like:
      "Hey, i have a great site with exclusive , interesting content, would you like to promote each other? Here is the pass to my members area to check out.

      After reading Lexy email template, its feels super unprofessional and bad looking.
      Frank Kerns F word every 3 seconds is pretty unprofessional too. His beard is horrible as well. But the guy gets the job done.
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      • Profile picture of the author WarrenPeterson
        Originally Posted by LexiB View Post

        Frank Kerns F word every 3 seconds is pretty unprofessional too. His beard is horrible as well. But the guy gets the job done.
        Right, and the key takeaway here is that your message needs to resonate with your target audience. If the way you are talking to your target audience works, then it works.... as you say, he gets the job done!
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  • Profile picture of the author mert
    Well my technique is, don't sound robotic or send the contact with robotic-like email. Try to contact him like you are very serious. State your motives, give him the link or samples that triggered you to contact him. Just compose a letter that sounds like you really are talking to him, like being sincere.

    Be specific! That's the thing I wanted to point out.
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  • Profile picture of the author emelef
    Hey, firstly you don't need contacts! just a good training /support network which is EASY to join. And secondly, stop selling and think about what service you are offering to HELP whoever you are contacting. When you genuinely mean what you say your emails/communications will become natural. Many many many successful people starting out in your shoes. Asking for help is the first step. Well done
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  • Profile picture of the author Nattsurfaren
    onSubie Thanks for the swipe file. It really structure things up in a way my brain can handle it better.
    LexiB You totally know your stuff
    This thread was very motivational for me. I realize more and more that Internet Marketing is something that is very hard to manage alone just because we need to and can motivate each other.
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  • Profile picture of the author techbul
    This is a kind of behavior that everyone comes across at least once in life. I think you should not put so much pressure on yourself and try to face your fears for a change.
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  • Profile picture of the author smodha
    I like to use my charm and humor when it comes to building relationships. Don't be afraid to ask for help. What's the worst that can happen?
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  • Profile picture of the author aerm85
    Use a lot chatting and skype... Try to post some information at forums (With value). Make some friends on facebook... Retweet good information... And suddenly you will be a person who everyone will respect..
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by mialove View Post

      Wow.
      I feel so embarrassing now.
      With my "perfect" English skills i just say something like:
      "Hey, i have a great site with exclusive , interesting content, would you like to promote each other? Here is the pass to my members area to check out.

      After reading Lexy email template, its feels super unprofessional and bad looking.

      ...and yet, it comes across as genuine.
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      Just when you think you've got it all figured out, someone changes the rules.

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